Anxiety, alcohol & that morning feeling!

[gary]

Hi all
I posted before concerning my seperation, situational anxiety
problem
Each evening i drink, mabe 2 bottles of wine & a fiew beers & then i eat.
The next morning, i don't feel ill from a hangover or anything, just i get
so anxious & worried with a nervousness about life & future things.
I just lye there in the dark & can't get up for work or anything. I
have a holliday soon & i am terrified of this.
Could the exessive alcohol the night before be the trigger for this feeling.
I take Buspar, Efexor & Valium for my anxiety.
I am not going to drink tonight & am realy wanting to carry this on into the
future, just when the day goes on, i feel better & crave that drink again at
evening times. I'm hoping this time i can keep it up.
When i stay with my girlfriend, i don't seem to bother about drink, as we
do other things together!, it's just when i'm on my own.
Any advice would be gratefully accepted.
Regards
Gary

[neuro equipoise]

On - Wed, Jun 30, 2004, 12:16pm (EDT+5) gary@marsden74.fsnet.co.uk
(gary) wrote:

> Each evening i drink, mabe 2 bottles of wine & a
> fiew beers & then i eat. The next morning, i don't
> feel ill from a hangover or anything, just i get so
> anxious & worried with a nervousness about life &
> future things.

> I just lye there in the dark & can't get up for work
> or anything. I have a holliday soon & i am terrified
> of this. Could the exessive alcohol the night
> before be the trigger for this feeling. I take
> Buspar, Efexor & Valium for my anxiety.

Hi Gary,
I've been wondering how you were doing lately. Are you still involved
with the biking workout everyday?

All you wrote above, just seems a continuation of the lactic acid
build-up you've been experiencing. The alcohol, as well as
over-exercise, causes the lactic acid to build up and it acidifies your
metabolism - that means cell oxygen is lowered, toxins are trapped,
energy and mood *plunges*.

Your liver and adrenals are left depleted by the toxic waste, and you
start the whole process of *jump-starting* your energy/mood with
alcohol, instead of building health.

Oxygen is needed in order to avoid lactic acid and toxin buildup.
Drinking plenty of water, and an alkaline diet, raises cell oxygenation
and detoxifies.

It seems you've increased the daily amounts of alcohol since you've been
here last, too. Alcohol depletes nutrients which you need for building
positive mood, lowering stress hormones. Have you had your B-complex
blood levels checked lately?

[gary]

Hi neuro
Yes i'm still exercising everyday, but i have been told that
this is good for the anxiety, but i do find myself addicted to this, if i
don't get the intense run everyday, i feel shit.
Exercising i thought, would get rid of the built up toxins caused by
alcohol, as i do feel hot when i drink & don't "sweat" it out.
Do you think stopping the alcohol will get rid of that scary morning
feeling. I can't remember the last time i woke & felt invigorated & ready
for a good day, i just feel tyred, emotional & nervous, it's hell. My diet
is good though, full of fruit & veg & grains & nutrients. No junk at all
realy.
Thanks for your advice
Gary
neuro equipoise <NeuroEquipoise@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:21101-40E2B303-17@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net...
> On - Wed, Jun 30, 2004, 12:16pm (EDT+5) gary@marsden74.fsnet.co.uk
> (gary) wrote:
>
> > Each evening i drink, mabe 2 bottles of wine & a
> > fiew beers & then i eat. The next morning, i don't
> > feel ill from a hangover or anything, just i get so
> > anxious & worried with a nervousness about life &
> > future things.
>
> > I just lye there in the dark & can't get up for work
> > or anything. I have a holliday soon & i am terrified
> > of this. Could the exessive alcohol the night
> > before be the trigger for this feeling. I take
> > Buspar, Efexor & Valium for my anxiety.
>
> Hi Gary,
> I've been wondering how you were doing lately. Are you still involved
> with the biking workout everyday?
>
> All you wrote above, just seems a continuation of the lactic acid
> build-up you've been experiencing. The alcohol, as well as
> over-exercise, causes the lactic acid to build up and it acidifies your
> metabolism - that means cell oxygen is lowered, toxins are trapped,
> energy and mood *plunges*.
>
> Your liver and adrenals are left depleted by the toxic waste, and you
> start the whole process of *jump-starting* your energy/mood with
> alcohol, instead of building health.
>
> Oxygen is needed in order to avoid lactic acid and toxin buildup.
> Drinking plenty of water, and an alkaline diet, raises cell oxygenation
> and detoxifies.
>
> It seems you've increased the daily amounts of alcohol since you've been
> here last, too. Alcohol depletes nutrients which you need for building
> positive mood, lowering stress hormones. Have you had your B-complex
> blood levels checked lately?
>
>
>

[neuro equipoise]

On - Wed, Jun 30, 2004, 2:44pm (EDT+5) gary@marsden74.fsnet.co.uk
(gary) wrote:

> Yes i'm still exercising everyday, but i have been
> told that this is good for the anxiety, but i do find
> myself addicted to this, if i don't get the intense
> run everyday, i feel shit.

Moderate exercise raises endorphins, which is good, but *over-exercise*
makes a person's metabolism acidic, and the double whammy of all that
alcohol, makes you even *more* acidic. This acidity is a burden on the
liver. The exercise and the alcohol deplete you of zinc too, which
makes your copper levels go up, the beer especially makes your copper go
up. All of this copper beats down your adrenals and liver, and makes the
anxiety/panic go *up*


> Exercising i thought, would get rid of the built up
> toxins caused by alcohol, as i do feel hot when i
> drink & don't "sweat" it out.

The toxins are trapped within your cells. Drinking water and alkaline
foods are what will open up the cells to clean out the toxins. Sweating
isn't going to do it alone. In fact, sweating lowers zinc, and that
causes the copper and acidity to go up. You need to drink plenty of
water, and you need alkaline foods to lower the acidity, so that your
mood can go up.


> Do you think stopping the alcohol will get rid of
> that scary morning feeling.

Definitely, but you've got to build up your adrenals with proper
nutrition too, to damp stress hormones.


> I can't remember the last time i woke & felt
> invigorated & ready for a good day, i just feel
> tyred, emotional & nervous, it's hell. My diet is
> good though, full of fruit & veg & grains &
> nutrients. No junk at all realy.

I've posted two excerpts on adrenal health recently, here's another
excerpt below on adrenal burnout. Also a link to a bodybuilding site
which has very good advice on nutrition, and boosting metabolism.
The last link explains controlling your blood sugar after exercise.


> Thanks for your advice

Take better care of yourself Gary, and enjoy your holiday.


Excerpts:

Re: Adrenal Burnout

"When the adrenals are weak, copper builds up in the body. Elevated
copper enhances emotions. Panic attacks, bipolar disorder, mood swings
and schizophrenia are related to copper imbalance. As one ís energy
level declines, other toxic metals build up as well.* Mercury,
cadmium, lead, arsenic, beryllium and others contribute to hundreds of
physical and emotional symptoms."

http://www.drlwilson.com/Articles/adrenal_burnout.htm



Re: Vitamins/metabolism
"The benefits of thiamin are that it enhances the circulation, allowing
for a better **oxygen** supply and more energy, helps with blood
formation and metabolizes carbs. As you will see B vitamins are all very
good metabolizers.

Biotin
...important in the Krebs cycle, allowing for prolonged exercise and
energy production under extreme pressure. ... It also helps in
maintaining a good blood sugar level.

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/catvit1.htm




Re: Carbs and Exercise

"A hard workout will deplete your muscles' glycogen stores. Glycogen is
the fuel that powers your muscles. When you eat carbohydrates, it is
stored in your liver and muscles as glycogen, however, the amount stored
in your muscles is less than 400 grams. According to studies, the most
efficient time to rebuild your muscles' glycogen supply is immediately
after your workout and continuing until about two hours after your
workout. After two hours, your body replenishes its glycogen much more
slowly. So, immediately after a workout, eat a high carbohydrate meal."
http://www.tkdtutor.com/11Training/LacticAcid.htm



Excerpt: Zinc/Exercise/Blood Glucose/

"Chromium is used in great quantity during exercise, as is Zinc. Low
levels of these nutrients are often seen in the blood after strenuous
exercise, and these low levels are often associated with blood sugar
fluctuations, decreased energy levels, and slower muscle recovery times.

http://www.allsportscoach.com/healthcoach.html

[Fred Exley]

>Do you think stopping the alcohol will get rid of that scary morning
>feeling.

Yes, absolutely. Two bottles of wine and a few beers is plenty to change
your metabolism to adjust to the alcohol in your system. When the alcohol
dissipates, your body (and mind) is looking for something it's relying on
which isn't there -hence the opposite of a buzz -"anxious & worried with a
nervousness about life & future things."

Been there, done that. I soon discovered it took about two glasses of wine
in the morning to chase those fears away. That leads to a vicious circle,
of course, and pretty soon it took a bottle of wine to wake up and feel
normal in the morning. But then I had to hide from everybody until late
afternoon, because it sure wouldn't feel normal to them to smell the booze
on me at 9am.

When I finally quit, the first few days were hell, but then your body begins
to adjust, and then the anxiety and fears went away. Can't say I've since
"woke & felt invigorated", but I'm ready for every morning. And it's
predictable -no anxiety or irrational fears, because my body isn't coming
down from last nights' wine.




"gary" <gary@marsden74.fsnet.co.uk> wrote in message
news:cbug9g$s2q$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Hi neuro
> Yes i'm still exercising everyday, but i have been told that
> this is good for the anxiety, but i do find myself addicted to this, if i
> don't get the intense run everyday, i feel shit.
> Exercising i thought, would get rid of the built up toxins caused by
> alcohol, as i do feel hot when i drink & don't "sweat" it out.
> Do you think stopping the alcohol will get rid of that scary morning
> feeling. I can't remember the last time i woke & felt invigorated & ready
> for a good day, i just feel tyred, emotional & nervous, it's hell. My diet
> is good though, full of fruit & veg & grains & nutrients. No junk at all
> realy.
> Thanks for your advice
> Gary
> neuro equipoise <NeuroEquipoise@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:21101-40E2B303-17@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net...
> > On - Wed, Jun 30, 2004, 12:16pm (EDT+5) gary@marsden74.fsnet.co.uk
> > (gary) wrote:
> >
> > > Each evening i drink, mabe 2 bottles of wine & a
> > > fiew beers & then i eat. The next morning, i don't
> > > feel ill from a hangover or anything, just i get so
> > > anxious & worried with a nervousness about life &
> > > future things.
> >
> > > I just lye there in the dark & can't get up for work
> > > or anything. I have a holliday soon & i am terrified
> > > of this. Could the exessive alcohol the night
> > > before be the trigger for this feeling. I take
> > > Buspar, Efexor & Valium for my anxiety.
> >
> > Hi Gary,
> > I've been wondering how you were doing lately. Are you still involved
> > with the biking workout everyday?
> >
> > All you wrote above, just seems a continuation of the lactic acid
> > build-up you've been experiencing. The alcohol, as well as
> > over-exercise, causes the lactic acid to build up and it acidifies your
> > metabolism - that means cell oxygen is lowered, toxins are trapped,
> > energy and mood *plunges*.
> >
> > Your liver and adrenals are left depleted by the toxic waste, and you
> > start the whole process of *jump-starting* your energy/mood with
> > alcohol, instead of building health.
> >
> > Oxygen is needed in order to avoid lactic acid and toxin buildup.
> > Drinking plenty of water, and an alkaline diet, raises cell oxygenation
> > and detoxifies.
> >
> > It seems you've increased the daily amounts of alcohol since you've been
> > here last, too. Alcohol depletes nutrients which you need for building
> > positive mood, lowering stress hormones. Have you had your B-complex
> > blood levels checked lately?
> >
> >
> >
>
>

[Blue Moon]

On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:16:40 +0100, "gary"
<gary@marsden74.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:

>Could the exessive alcohol the night before be the trigger for this feeling.
>I take Buspar, Efexor & Valium for my anxiety.

Does whoever prescribed that stuff knows you're drinking?

--
Blue Moon

[gary]

Hi All
Thanks Neuro & what you say Fred makes perfect sence, it's just so
hard to stop that early evening craving for alcohol.
I don't wanna get these morning feelings of scaredness & fear before my
holiday or i'll end up not going. This morning fter last nights booze, i
woke & felt so frightened of work, my hliday & wondering why i couldn't look
forward to my holiday instead of fearing it.
Thanks
Gary
Blue Moon <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Wed, 30 Jun 2004 12:16:40 +0100, "gary"
> <gary@marsden74.fsnet.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Could the exessive alcohol the night before be the trigger for this
feeling.
> >I take Buspar, Efexor & Valium for my anxiety.
>
> Does whoever prescribed that stuff knows you're drinking?
>
> --
> Blue Moon
>

[neuro equipoise]

On - Fri, Jul 2, 2004, 5:25pm (EDT+5) gary@marsden74.fsnet.co.uk (gary)
wrote:

> it's just so hard to stop that early evening craving
> for alcohol.

You start drinking immediately after your exercise workout, when your
muscles are *craving* glycogen.
When blood sugar plunges, cravings begin, because the brain *depends* on
glucose for fuel.

If you would drink orange juice right after your workout, you would put
a dent in that craving. A glass of orange juice contains 26g of
carbohydrates, 22g of sugar, 450mg potassium, and also contains
B-vitamins, vitamin C, magnesium, calcium. Having a carb meal ready and
waiting for you after your workout, instead of taking time to cook one
while you drink alcohol first to quiet the cravings, would make a big
difference; as would not having any alcohol in the house to begin with.

> I don't wanna get these morning feelings of
> scaredness & fear before my holiday or i'll end up
> not going.

You are in a vicious addiction cycle, escalating your anxiety and panic,
and it's going to get worse if you continue using the alcohol. You
don't have to live in this miserable way.

"When one becomes addicted, one can never be truly free because one's
behavior and impulses are now dictated to by one's body chemistry. Body
chemistry is more powerful than the human will."


> This morning fter last nights booze, i woke & felt
> so frightened of work, my hliday & wondering why
> i couldn't look forward to my holiday instead of
> fearing it.

It's impossible to feel well, because the alcohol is dismantling the
very brain chemicals you need to feel positive things, to feel
confidence, to feel calm, etc. The alcohol dismantles the vitamins you
take, it dismantles the nutrients in the healthful food choices you are
trying to make, and it leaves you with zilch. You don't have to be
suffering like
this...

[Fred Exley]

"neuro equipoise" <NeuroEquipoise@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:6966-40E5BC70-20@storefull-3273.bay.webtv.net...
> On - Fri, Jul 2, 2004, 5:25pm (EDT+5) gary@marsden74.fsnet.co.uk (gary)
> wrote:
>
> > it's just so hard to stop that early evening craving
> > for alcohol.
>
> You start drinking immediately after your exercise workout, when your
> muscles are *craving* glycogen.
> When blood sugar plunges, cravings begin, because the brain *depends* on
> glucose for fuel.
>
> If you would drink orange juice right after your workout, you would put
> a dent in that craving. A glass of orange juice contains 26g of
> carbohydrates, 22g of sugar, 450mg potassium, and also contains
> B-vitamins, vitamin C, magnesium, calcium. Having a carb meal ready and
> waiting for you after your workout, instead of taking time to cook one
> while you drink alcohol first to quiet the cravings, would make a big
> difference; as would not having any alcohol in the house to begin with.
>
> > I don't wanna get these morning feelings of
> > scaredness & fear before my holiday or i'll end up
> > not going.
>
> You are in a vicious addiction cycle, escalating your anxiety and panic,
> and it's going to get worse if you continue using the alcohol. You
> don't have to live in this miserable way.
>
> "When one becomes addicted, one can never be truly free because one's
> behavior and impulses are now dictated to by one's body chemistry. Body
> chemistry is more powerful than the human will."
>
>
> > This morning fter last nights booze, i woke & felt
> > so frightened of work, my hliday & wondering why
> > i couldn't look forward to my holiday instead of
> > fearing it.
>
> It's impossible to feel well, because the alcohol is dismantling the
> very brain chemicals you need to feel positive things, to feel
> confidence, to feel calm, etc. The alcohol dismantles the vitamins you
> take, it dismantles the nutrients in the healthful food choices you are
> trying to make, and it leaves you with zilch. You don't have to be
> suffering like
> this...
>

VERY well said, Mr. Neuro. And when we're lost in this confusion, the last
thing on earth we think may be the problem is the drinking -our imbalanced
minds lead us to believe we need more booze to cope with life. My last
binge, around Christmas, was so bad any true friend around would have
insisted I go to detox. I called a hospital about it, and it was about
$20,000. But I finally quit the cycle anyway, and the only way this
poor-mans detox worked was I forced myself to take vitamins (against a
strong will NOT TO, according to my sick mind), and forced myself to eat
something, even just a piece of toast or something, before I drank some
more. The conventional wisdom is you have to cold-turkey off the booze, but
I did the above for a few days, drinking less each day, and finally quit.

I do believe the vitamins, then a bit of food, was what it took to break the
cycle. It was astounding to me that after taking one vitamin pill how
quickly my mind cleared up immensely. And I forced myself to do even that.
I read somewhere that the alcoholic mind, above all else, will hide the
realization of what booze is doing to us. So true, so true...

[Nat]

The conventional wisdom is you have to cold-turkey off the booze.

Whos wisdom is that? If a very heavy drinker quits cold-turkey, he's
risking the dt's, convultions and even death.

nat

[rosie read and post]

amen nat, amen!




"Nat" <nath615@centurytel.net> wrote in message
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: The conventional wisdom is you have to cold-turkey off the booze.
:
: Whos wisdom is that? If a very heavy drinker quits cold-turkey,
he's
: risking the dt's, convultions and even death.
:
: nat
:

[Fred Exley]

"Nat" <nath615@centurytel.net> wrote in message
news:3IOdnaaUpeGhKHvdRVn-jw@centurytel.net...
> The conventional wisdom is you have to cold-turkey off the booze.
>
> Whos wisdom is that? If a very heavy drinker quits cold-turkey, he's
> risking the dt's, convultions and even death.
>
> nat
>

I agree it's insane, but any hospital detox treatment rejects any more
booze, no matter what. A friend of mine wreaked his brand-new Lexus because
he was so drunk he passed out at the wheel and hit a tree. They forced him
into detox, and he almost died. His wife pleaded with them to let him taper
off but they refused.

If anyone knows of a hospital or treatement center that is contrary to the
above, please share it.

[neuro equipoise]

On - Sat, Jul 3, 2004, 1:43am (EDT-3) fexly221@msn.com (Fred*Exley)
wrote:

> But I finally quit the cycle anyway, and the only
> way this poor-mans detox worked was I forced
> myself to take vitamins (against a strong will NOT
> TO, according to my sick mind), and forced myself
> to eat something, even just a piece of toast or
> something, before I drank some more.

You seem very much improved in these last six months. I remember how
poorly you felt last winter.
Congratulations, and best wishes, as you continue to rebuild your health
and your life.

> I do believe the vitamins, then a bit of food, was
> what it took to break the cycle. It was astounding
> to me that after taking one vitamin pill how quickly
> my mind cleared up immensely. And I forced
> myself to do even that. I read somewhere that the
> alcoholic mind, above all else, will hide the
> realization of what booze is doing to us. So true,
> so true...

What was the potency of the B-complex in the vitamin formula you were
taking? Thiamine, (vitamin B1), optimizes brain function and cognitive
ability, and it's so easily depleted by junk food, alcohol, stress.

> VERY well said, Mr. Neuro.

Thanks Fred, btw, Neuro is a woman : )

[rosie read and post]

EVERY area hospital i know of in the milwaukee, wisconsin area,
detoxes with the use of medication when necessary.



--
rosie
http://www.michaelmoore.com/











"Fred Exley" <fexly221@msn.com> wrote in message
news:10edrbf6pvu16@corp.supernews.com...
:
: "Nat" <nath615@centurytel.net> wrote in message
: news:3IOdnaaUpeGhKHvdRVn-jw@centurytel.net...
: > The conventional wisdom is you have to cold-turkey off the
booze.
: >
: > Whos wisdom is that? If a very heavy drinker quits cold-turkey,
he's
: > risking the dt's, convultions and even death.
: >
: > nat
: >
:
: I agree it's insane, but any hospital detox treatment rejects any
more
: booze, no matter what. A friend of mine wreaked his brand-new
Lexus because
: he was so drunk he passed out at the wheel and hit a tree. They
forced him
: into detox, and he almost died. His wife pleaded with them to let
him taper
: off but they refused.
:
: If anyone knows of a hospital or treatement center that is
contrary to the
: above, please share it.
:
:

[Blue Moon]

On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 08:31:39 -0500, "Nat" <nath615@centurytel.net>
wrote:

> The conventional wisdom is you have to cold-turkey off the booze.
>
>Whos wisdom is that? If a very heavy drinker quits cold-turkey, he's
>risking the dt's, convultions and even death.

If a very heavy drinker is not alcoholic, he may be able to taper off.

But wisdom based on experience shows that "tapering off" is not an
option for an alcoholic.

--
Blue Moon

[rosie read and post]

i seem to remember that bill wilson fed dr. bob his last beer, just
before he had to perform surgery, did he not?

that was considered weaning in its day, and done quite regularly,
and still today, tapering off IS an option for some REAL alcoholics!
;)

ymmv,
rosie
America, my friends, is the only country in the world actually
founded on liberty-- the only one!
People went to America to be free.
.......................... Margaret Thatcher




"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:f717880b96c246998bc171c78a7817ea@news.teranew s.com...
: On Sat, 3 Jul 2004 08:31:39 -0500, "Nat" <nath615@centurytel.net>
: wrote:
:
: > The conventional wisdom is you have to cold-turkey off the
booze.
: >
: >Whos wisdom is that? If a very heavy drinker quits cold-turkey,
he's
: >risking the dt's, convultions and even death.
:
: If a very heavy drinker is not alcoholic, he may be able to taper
off.
:
: But wisdom based on experience shows that "tapering off" is not an
: option for an alcoholic.
:
: --
: Blue Moon

[Blue Moon]

On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 00:17:31 GMT, "rosie read and post"
<readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:

>i seem to remember that bill wilson fed dr. bob his last beer, just
>before he had to perform surgery, did he not?
>
>that was considered weaning in its day, and done quite regularly,
>and still today, tapering off IS an option for some REAL alcoholics!
>;)
>
>ymmv,

Yes, there are those who took a last drink to "taper off" for medical
reasons. But I have known far more who took a last drink just to take
a "last" drink, and had no physical reason to be tapering at all. I
have also known others who were told by medics to taper off, and
seemed incapable of doing so once the cap was off the bottle.

--
Blue Moon

[rosie read and post]

:..................But I have known far more who took a last drink
just to take
: a "last" drink, and had no physical reason to be tapering at all.


sure, there are those





: I have also known others who were told by medics to taper off, and
: seemed incapable of doing so once the cap was off the bottle.
:


yup, there are those too!

--
rosie
America, my friends, is the only country in the world actually
founded on liberty-- the only one!
People went to America to be free.
.......................... Margaret Thatcher




"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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: On Mon, 05 Jul 2004 00:17:31 GMT, "rosie read and post"
: <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:
:
: >i seem to remember that bill wilson fed dr. bob his last beer,
just
: >before he had to perform surgery, did he not?
: >
: >that was considered weaning in its day, and done quite regularly,
: >and still today, tapering off IS an option for some REAL
alcoholics!
: >;)
: >
: >ymmv,
:
: Yes, there are those who took a last drink to "taper off" for
medical
: reasons. : --
: Blue Moon

[Fred Exley]

>Thanks Fred, btw, Neuro is a woman : )

Thanks much, Ms. Neuro. I stand corrected, as often happens to me here.
The vitamins I took/take are just the plain-jane multivitamin/mineral type
from Trader Joes. They do have about 10x the recommended B in them though.

[neuro equipoise]

On - Mon, Jul 5, 2004, 12:46am (EDT-3) fexly221@msn.com (Fred*Exley)
wrote:

> The vitamins I took/take are just the plain-jane
> multivitamin/mineral type from Trader Joes. They
> do have about 10x the recommended B in them
> though.

Thanks for the information Fred, I am not familiar with the brand name,
but I'm guessing that the B-complex potency is about 10mg. You've
mentioned seeing quick results with mental clarity, so I want to explain
for others here, the difference between *maintenance* dosage, and
*therapeutic* dosage.

Maintenance vitamin dosage is like puttering around a house which is in
very good shape, doing small repairs - a clapboard might need to be
replaced, a roof shingle or two, a broken pane, plumbing repairs, etc.
A little work at a time keeps the place in top condition.

A *therapeutic* dose of vitamins is like repairing a house that has been
hit by a tornado, half the roof can be gone, plus a few rooms are
smashed. A person can approach the tornado damage like puttering around
the house, but the work will take a *long* time that way, and the house
is left open to more damage from the environment.

A therapeutic dose of vitamins, is like buying a truck load of lumber,
plywood, shingles, wiring, plasterboard, and working at repairs faster
to close off the house from further damage. Therapeutic doses of
B-complex are considered to be 50mg and above. I take 100mg and the
lowest of the B-complex I would consider for myself is 50mg. It's just
so important because of all the stressors in modern life, and for
keeping the immune system up. It does optimize brain function too.
Trying to recover from long term alcohol damage with only 1mg of
B-complex daily, is just like fixing a tornado wrecked house by nailing
one board a day...it will take a *long* time.

Having B-complex blood levels checked is important when dealing with
alcohol damage, because this group of vitamins is responsible for the
health of the nerves, energy and neurotransmitter production, relieving
anxiety, optimizing cognition, etc.

[Cheggers]

> Having B-complex blood levels checked is important when dealing with
> alcohol damage, because this group of vitamins is responsible for the
> health of the nerves, energy and neurotransmitter production, relieving
> anxiety, optimizing cognition, etc.

Any danger of over-consuming these lads? I take a B complex drug daily
but would up it were there a benefit to be had. One without a risk,
that is. When do these things start getting toxic?

Thanks,

C.

[neuro equipoise]

On - Tue, Jul 20, 2004, 1:45am (EDT-3) cheggers2004@hotmail.com
(Cheggers) wrote:

>> Having B-complex blood levels checked is
>> important when dealing with alcohol damage,
>> because this group of vitamins is responsible for
>> the health of the nerves, energy and
>> neurotransmitter production, relieving anxiety,
>> optimizing cognition, etc.

> Any danger of over-consuming these lads? I take
> a B complex drug daily but would up it were there
> a benefit to be had. One without a risk, that is.
> When do these things start getting toxic?

This link gives a breakdown of each B-vitamin, listing maintenance
doses, listing therapeutic dose ranges (some of them going up to 3,000mg
a day), listing deficiency symptoms, risk factors, toxicity, overdose
symptoms, and negative side effects.

http://www.acu-cell.com/bx2.html

So many factors can decrease B-complex levels in the body: antibiotics,
antidepressants, high carb diets, caffeine, junk foods, strenous
exercise, cortisone drugs, sulfa drugs, and of course, alcohol.
If you still include some junk foods, soda, coffee, in your diet, have a
lot of stressors in your life, have your levels checked again.