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[catsruleok]

My name,

I have not seen any posts from you for about a week. I hope you're OK.

JB

[My Name]

"catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in
news:beoh29$1ev$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk:

> My name,
>
> I have not seen any posts from you for about a week. I
> hope you're OK.
>
> JB

Whether I'm "OK", or not is always open to question.
Often I'm not sure of the answer to that question.
I'm an infrequent sporadic poster.
Mostly I just read here.
This may be (or may not be) because I have not managed to get my
two years sober back that I once had in the entire time I've
been here, and yes you can interpret that to mean that in the
time I've been here I have stopped and started several times, to
the point where I've begun to wonder if I haven't changed from
one type of drinker (That being all the time) to another kind of
drinker that being a binge drinker starting for a while, and
then stopping for a while. (The dog returns to his vomit, and
the fool to his folly.) I know for me it was somewhere between 1
& 2 years before I felt free. Which sadly falls in line with
what Deb posted giving a time line of between 12 & 18 mos. if I
recall correctly IIRC. Miserable thing, going through
withdrawles on a regular basis. You'd think one wouldn't do that
to oneself. Sadly, memory seems to be short and impusivity high.
I don't know what it takes; luck, divine intervetion,
determination, bottom, a combination, any, or all. I don't
discount any, or all of them. All I know is, the right
combination haven't come together again yet for me, so I'm still
here lurking in the wings. If I ever get free again entirely
I'll probably just disappear entirely. No longer having any need
of this kind. Actually sometimes I wonder if being here is that
good an idea at all, as sometimes for me it puts the thought of
alcohol in my head when there originally was none. Take care,
and thanks for asking.
--
You know that some people are different.
Now ain't that a crying shame.
Wouldn't it be a real drag, if we were all the same.
Savoy Brown

[rosie readandpost]

> All I know is, the right
> combination haven't come together again yet for me, so I'm still
> here lurking in the wings.




what methods have you tried?
what were you doing those two years that you were able to sustain your sobriety?

[My Name]

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote
in news:BeVPa.207560$Xl.3445260@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com:

> what methods have you tried?

Methods, What methods? I'm a white knuckler. Who is a Bible
believer. What seems to work best for me is someone telling me I
can't do something. Then I set about getting real busy proving,
I can. Lousy method, Don'tcha think?

> what were you doing those two years that you were able to
> sustain your sobriety?

Proving I could, and it wasn't even drinking, it was weight
loss. It got to where it became apparent that to lose the last
few pounds, and to have sustained weight loss over time. I'd
have to quit drinking. As that was the only thing that was
seeming to keep them on.

--
You know that some people are different.
Now ain't that a crying shame.
Wouldn't it be a real drag, if we were all the same.
Savoy Brown

[My Name]

"catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in
news:bep938$id7$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk:

> Hi No name,
>
> I'm so glad to know that you are still alive and that
> you're continuing to read this NG. What you said above
> will, I'm sure, strike a chord with many alcoholics.
>
> Whenever I read your posts I learn something new and so I
> hope you will consider posting a little more often in
> future. Another reason why I hope you will do so is this.
> I believe that at least one person here will have found
> ways of overcoming any problem that you may now be
> struggling with . If what I believe is true, then it
> follows that if you share with us the fact that you are
> having a problem with x or y, you will find at least one
> person who is willing and able to offer advice and support.
> And don't be surprised to find that advice you receive in
> reply to any posts, is exactly the advice you need at that
> time :^)

Ok, right now my new neighbor next door discharging his firearm
off the back porch, is stressing the hell out of me, and the
family. We had to have a talk about the lot line between us as
he has set out with his chainsaw to cut most things down. I
think that has caused some tensions, as his mother began
screaming put up a 6 foot privacy fence down said lot line. (Go
ahead. break my heart) Problem is he doen't know, or really seem
to care where the line is, or about staying on his side of it.

We are already trying to move again.

Yesterday, bad news came in threes. I won't go into it.
This is kinda what I mean about luck.
Having the good fortune to not have so much bad luck that you
can't overcome it and succomb to: Drinking to escape misfortune.
Dealing with it sober is preferable, but difficult sometimes.

> Now, if you do find a way of giving up drinking
> altogether, I hope you won't leave this group but, rather,
> will reveal the secrets of how you managed to do it. In
> that way you can be both an inspiration and a source of
> invaluable advice to those who at that time will be
> struggling to give up the booze. Wouldn't that be wonderful
> :^)

No secret really, just determination until it bacame reality
that I actually preferred not to drink. I really didn't want
any! Got nagged into it by a friendly different neighbor who was
mourning his recently deceased wife. I just wasn't able to keep
saying no to him. My failing, I suppose. I'm trying to learn
from that one.

> Whatever you decide to do, I shall continue to think often
> of you and to wish you well.
>
> JB

Very kind of you, thanks. Same back at you.
I just today read about the difficult position you are in.
It's amazing to me, you are able in your circumstances.
May you continue to be able.

--
You know that some people are different.
Now ain't that a crying shame.
Wouldn't it be a real drag, if we were all the same.
Savoy Brown

[catsruleok]

"My Name" <no@e-mail.com> wrote in message news:Xns93B6658A4CCCMyIdToken@walks.like.a.duck...
> "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in
> news:beoh29$1ev$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk:

snip>

> I'm an infrequent sporadic poster.
> Mostly I just read here.
> This may be (or may not be) because I have not managed to get my
> two years sober back that I once had in the entire time I've
> been here, and yes you can interpret that to mean that in the
> time I've been here I have stopped and started several times, to
> the point where I've begun to wonder if I haven't changed from
> one type of drinker (That being all the time) to another kind of
> drinker that being a binge drinker starting for a while, and
> then stopping for a while.

<snip>

>I know for me it was somewhere between 1
> & 2 years before I felt free. Which sadly falls in line with
> what Deb posted giving a time line of between 12 & 18 mos. if I
> recall correctly IIRC. Miserable thing, going through
> withdrawles on a regular basis. You'd think one wouldn't do that
> to oneself. Sadly, memory seems to be short and impusivity high.
> I don't know what it takes; luck, divine intervetion,
> determination, bottom, a combination, any, or all. I don't
> discount any, or all of them. All I know is, the right
> combination haven't come together again yet for me, so I'm still
> here lurking in the wings. If I ever get free again entirely
> I'll probably just disappear entirely.

<snip>

Hi No name,

I'm so glad to know that you are still alive and that you're continuing to read this NG. What you
said above will, I'm sure, strike a chord with many alcoholics.

Whenever I read your posts I learn something new and so I hope you will consider posting a little
more often in future. Another reason why I hope you will do so is this. I believe that at least
one person here will have found ways of overcoming any problem that you may now be struggling with .
If what I believe is true, then it follows that if you share with us the fact that you are having a
problem with x or y, you will find at least one person who is willing and able to offer advice and
support. And don't be surprised to find that advice you receive in reply to any posts, is exactly
the advice you need at that time :^)

Now, if you do find a way of giving up drinking altogether, I hope you won't leave this group but,
rather, will reveal the secrets of how you managed to do it. In that way you can be both an
inspiration and a source of invaluable advice to those who at that time will be struggling to give
up the booze. Wouldn't that be wonderful :^)

Whatever you decide to do, I shall continue to think often of you and to wish you well.

JB

[rosie readandpost]

> Having the good fortune to not have so much bad luck that you
> can't overcome it and succomb to: Drinking to escape misfortune.

ime, drinking only delayed the fact that i was going to have to deal with whatever the misfortune was.
it DID provide a TEMPORARY repreve, but that was all!
(and an excuse for my drinking)






>
> No secret really, just determination until it bacame reality
> that I actually preferred not to drink. I really didn't want
> any!


if your determination helps you to stop drinking, why not force yourself the read AND POST daily, as a reminder of what
you are trying to do?
type to us about yourself...................


> It's amazing to me, you are able in your circumstances.
> May you continue to be able.
>
>

sharing of ourselves, helps us to keep things in TRUE perspective.
really it does!
rosie

[My Name]

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote
in news:rpWPa.207582$Xl.3457326@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com:
>
>> Having the good fortune to not have so much bad luck that
>> you can't overcome it and succomb to: Drinking to escape
>> misfortune.
>
> ime, drinking only delayed the fact that i was going to
> have to deal with whatever the misfortune was. it DID
> provide a TEMPORARY repreve, but that was all! (and an
> excuse for my drinking)

I wouldn't argue with that, in fact, I think I've said it myself
at one time or another.

>> No secret really, just determination until it bacame
>> reality that I actually preferred not to drink. I really
>> didn't want any!
>
> if your determination helps you to stop drinking, why not
> force yourself the read AND POST daily, as a reminder of
> what you are trying to do?
> type to us about yourself...................

Uh, not convinced, that is the answer, I guess.

>> It's amazing to me, you are able in your circumstances.
>> May you continue to be able.

> sharing of ourselves, helps us to keep things in TRUE
> perspective. really it does!
> rosie

It may, I really don't know.

--
You know that some people are different.
Now ain't that a crying shame.
Wouldn't it be a real drag, if we were all the same.
Savoy Brown

[rosie readandpost]

"My Name" <no@e-mail.com> wrote in message news:Xns93B67DE872778MyIdToken@walks.like.a.duck.. .
> "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote
> in news:rpWPa.207582$Xl.3457326@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com:

> >
> > ime, drinking only delayed the fact that i was going to
> > have to deal with whatever the misfortune was. it DID
> > provide a TEMPORARY repreve, but that was all! (and an
> > excuse for my drinking)
>
> I wouldn't argue with that, in fact, I think I've said it myself
> at one time or another.


ahhhhhhhhhhhh, then you are a very wise man!
;)

[My Name]

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote
in news:YFWPa.207587$Xl.3459982@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com:

>
>
>"My Name" <no@e-mail.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns93B67DE872778MyIdToken@walks.like.a.duck.. .
>> "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
>> wrote in
>> news:rpWPa.207582$Xl.3457326@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com:
>
>> >
>> > ime, drinking only delayed the fact that i was going to
>> > have to deal with whatever the misfortune was. it DID
>> > provide a TEMPORARY repreve, but that was all! (and an
>> > excuse for my drinking)
>>
>> I wouldn't argue with that, in fact, I think I've said it
>> myself at one time or another.
>
>
> ahhhhhhhhhhhh, then you are a very wise man!
> ;)

Don'tcha just luv it when great minds cone together? Sheesh! ;)

--
You know that some people are different.
Now ain't that a crying shame.
Wouldn't it be a real drag, if we were all the same.
Savoy Brown

[My Name]

"catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in
news:bepfj2$5qb$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk:

>"My Name" <no@e-mail.com> wrote in message
>news:Xns93B677E93DE5FMyIdToken@walks.like.a.duck.. .
>> "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in
>> news:bep938$id7$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk:

<Big (possibly inappropriate) snip>

> However, what I do know is that it is likely that everyone
> who has or is struggling to stay off booze at the same time
> as trying to survive very difficult circumstances, will
> have symathy for you. I fully appreciate that sympathy on
> its own is not what you need right now. However, if an
> expression of sympathy is combined with a story of how an
> alcholic survived circumstances that they found difficult
> without resorting to the bottle, maybe, just maybe, that
> success story will give added strength to your own resolve
> not to drink. Maybe, that is as far as any response that
> is intended for publication on this NG ought to go.

Yes, I do find other peoples stories encouraging.
That is why I am here, I guess.
Mainly to hear from others.

>> > Now, if you do find a way of giving up drinking
>> > altogether, I hope you won't leave this group but,
>> > rather, will reveal the secrets of how you managed to
>> > do it. In that way you can be both an inspiration and a
>> > source of invaluable advice to those who at that time
>> > will be struggling to give up the booze. Wouldn't that
>> > be wonderful
>> > :^)
>>
>> No secret really, just determination until it bacame
>> reality that I actually preferred not to drink. I really
>> didn't want any! Got nagged into it by a friendly
>> different neighbor who was mourning his recently deceased
>> wife. I just wasn't able to keep saying no to him. My
>> failing, I suppose. I'm trying to learn from that one.
>
> And as that is what has worked well for you, it could
> easily work well for someone else on this NG. who until you
> mentioned the importance of determination, might never have
> considered it to be of any important. Do you see now, No
> Name, why things you say and know to be true, could be
> helpful to others :^)

<decided not to snip>

Um, maybe. I tend toward low self esteem, and tend to discount
the value of anything I may have to contribute.

> Before signing off, I just want you to know that I shall be
> hoping that you and your family will very soon see your
> lives change for the better.

Wouldn't that be nice! From your lips/keyboard <--I'm so old I
actually first wrote typewriter) to Gods ears, as they say.

> Continued best wishes
>
> JB

Geeze you are so kind! I wish we all had nothing but neighbors
like _you_! Of course, I in return, have nothing but best
wishes/hopes for you and yours.

Peace
--
You know that some people are different.
Now ain't that a crying shame.
Wouldn't it be a real drag, if we were all the same.
Savoy Brown

[catsruleok]

"My Name" <no@e-mail.com> wrote in message news:Xns93B677E93DE5FMyIdToken@walks.like.a.duck.. .
> "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in
> news:bep938$id7$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk:
>
> > Hi No name,
> >
<snip>
>> Whenever I read your posts I learn something new and so I
> > hope you will consider posting a little more often in
> > future. Another reason why I hope you will do so is this.
> > I believe that at least one person here will have found
> > ways of overcoming any problem that you may now be
> > struggling with . If what I believe is true, then it
> > follows that if you share with us the fact that you are
> > having a problem with x or y, you will find at least one
> > person who is willing and able to offer advice and support.
> > And don't be surprised to find that advice you receive in
> > reply to any posts, is exactly the advice you need at that
> > time :^)
>
> Ok, right now my new neighbor next door discharging his firearm
> off the back porch, is stressing the hell out of me, and the
> family. We had to have a talk about the lot line between us as
> he has set out with his chainsaw to cut most things down. I
> think that has caused some tensions, as his mother began
> screaming put up a 6 foot privacy fence down said lot line. (Go
> ahead. break my heart) Problem is he doen't know, or really seem
> to care where the line is, or about staying on his side of it.
>
> We are already trying to move again.
>
> Yesterday, bad news came in threes. I won't go into it.
> This is kinda what I mean about luck.
> Having the good fortune to not have so much bad luck that you
> can't overcome it and succomb to: Drinking to escape misfortune.
> Dealing with it sober is preferable, but difficult sometimes.

I am very, very sorry that your life and the lives of your family are being made so difficult. I
have no answer to the problem you have mentioned and, probably, could be of no help with any of the
things you chose not to mention. f I had answers, I would write to you privately.

However, what I do know is that it is likely that everyone who has or is struggling to stay off
booze at the same time as trying to survive very difficult circumstances, will have symathy for you.
I fully appreciate that sympathy on its own is not what you need right now. However, if an
expression of sympathy is combined with a story of how an alcholic survived circumstances that they
found difficult without resorting to the bottle, maybe, just maybe, that success story will give
added strength to your own resolve not to drink. Maybe, that is as far as any response that is
intended for publication on this NG ought to go.

> > Now, if you do find a way of giving up drinking
> > altogether, I hope you won't leave this group but, rather,
> > will reveal the secrets of how you managed to do it. In
> > that way you can be both an inspiration and a source of
> > invaluable advice to those who at that time will be
> > struggling to give up the booze. Wouldn't that be wonderful
> > :^)
>
> No secret really, just determination until it bacame reality
> that I actually preferred not to drink. I really didn't want
> any! Got nagged into it by a friendly different neighbor who was
> mourning his recently deceased wife. I just wasn't able to keep
> saying no to him. My failing, I suppose. I'm trying to learn
> from that one.

And as that is what has worked well for you, it could easily work well for someone else on this NG.
who until you mentioned the importance of determination, might never have considered it to be of any
important. Do you see now, No Name, why things you say and know to be true, could be helpful to
others :^)

Before signing off, I just want you to know that I shall be hoping that you and your family will
very soon see your lives change for the better.

Continued best wishes

JB

[catsruleok]

"catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:bepg2p$n8a$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> "My Name" <no@e-mail.com> wrote in message news:Xns93B677E93DE5FMyIdToken@walks.like.a.duck.. .
> > "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in
> > news:bep938$id7$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk:
<snip>

Sorry about the double-posting I'm blaming my cat :^))

JB

[catsruleok]

"My Name" <no@e-mail.com> wrote in message news:Xns93B680717CDC5MyIdToken@walks.like.a.duck.. .
> "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote
> in news:YFWPa.207587$Xl.3459982@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com:
>
> >
> >
> >"My Name" <no@e-mail.com> wrote in message
> >news:Xns93B67DE872778MyIdToken@walks.like.a.duck.. .
> >> "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>
> >> wrote in
> >> news:rpWPa.207582$Xl.3457326@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com:
> >
> >> >
> >> > ime, drinking only delayed the fact that i was going to
> >> > have to deal with whatever the misfortune was. it DID
> >> > provide a TEMPORARY repreve, but that was all! (and an
> >> > excuse for my drinking)
> >>
> >> I wouldn't argue with that, in fact, I think I've said it
> >> myself at one time or another.
> >
> >
> > ahhhhhhhhhhhh, then you are a very wise man!
> > ;)
>
> Don'tcha just luv it when great minds cone together? Sheesh! ;)
>
<snip signature quote>

My Name, remember this saying:

"Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery"

(Huge wink and big grin)

JB

[rosie readandpost]

> However, if an
> expression of sympathy is combined with a story of how an alcoholic survived circumstances that they
> found difficult without resorting to the bottle, maybe, just maybe, that success story will give
> added strength to your own resolve not to drink




in AA that is called sharing our EXPERIENCE, STRENGTH AND HOPE.

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

say the best...... think the rest.
.........................c. seibold




"catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message news:bepfj2$5qb$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> "My Name" <no@e-mail.com> wrote in message news:Xns93B677E93DE5FMyIdToken@walks.like.a.duck.. .
> > "catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in
> > news:bep938$id7$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk:
> >
> > > Hi No name,
> > >
> <snip>
> >> Whenever I read your posts I learn something new and so I
> > > hope you will consider posting a little more often in
> > > future. Another reason why I hope you will do so is this.
> > > I believe that at least one person here will have found
> > > ways of overcoming any problem that you may now be
> > > struggling with . If what I believe is true, then it
> > > follows that if you share with us the fact that you are
> > > having a problem with x or y, you will find at least one
> > > person who is willing and able to offer advice and support.
> > > And don't be surprised to find that advice you receive in
> > > reply to any posts, is exactly the advice you need at that
> > > time :^)
> >
> > Ok, right now my new neighbor next door discharging his firearm
> > off the back porch, is stressing the hell out of me, and the
> > family. We had to have a talk about the lot line between us as
> > he has set out with his chainsaw to cut most things down. I
> > think that has caused some tensions, as his mother began
> > screaming put up a 6 foot privacy fence down said lot line. (Go
> > ahead. break my heart) Problem is he doen't know, or really seem
> > to care where the line is, or about staying on his side of it.
> >
> > We are already trying to move again.
> >
> > Yesterday, bad news came in threes. I won't go into it.
> > This is kinda what I mean about luck.
> > Having the good fortune to not have so much bad luck that you
> > can't overcome it and succomb to: Drinking to escape misfortune.
> > Dealing with it sober is preferable, but difficult sometimes.
>
> I am very, very sorry that your life and the lives of your family are being made so difficult. I
> have no answer to the problem you have mentioned and, probably, could be of no help with any of the
> things you chose not to mention. f I had answers, I would write to you privately.
>
> However, what I do know is that it is likely that everyone who has or is struggling to stay off
> booze at the same time as trying to survive very difficult circumstances, will have symathy for you.
> I fully appreciate that sympathy on its own is not what you need right now. However, if an
> expression of sympathy is combined with a story of how an alcholic survived circumstances that they
> found difficult without resorting to the bottle, maybe, just maybe, that success story will give
> added strength to your own resolve not to drink. Maybe, that is as far as any response that is
> intended for publication on this NG ought to go.
>
> > > Now, if you do find a way of giving up drinking
> > > altogether, I hope you won't leave this group but, rather,
> > > will reveal the secrets of how you managed to do it. In
> > > that way you can be both an inspiration and a source of
> > > invaluable advice to those who at that time will be
> > > struggling to give up the booze. Wouldn't that be wonderful
> > > :^)
> >
> > No secret really, just determination until it bacame reality
> > that I actually preferred not to drink. I really didn't want
> > any! Got nagged into it by a friendly different neighbor who was
> > mourning his recently deceased wife. I just wasn't able to keep
> > saying no to him. My failing, I suppose. I'm trying to learn
> > from that one.
>
> And as that is what has worked well for you, it could easily work well for someone else on this NG.
> who until you mentioned the importance of determination, might never have considered it to be of any
> important. Do you see now, No Name, why things you say and know to be true, could be helpful to
> others :^)
>
> Before signing off, I just want you to know that I shall be hoping that you and your family will
> very soon see your lives change for the better.
>
> Continued best wishes
>
> JB
>
>