Question: How frequent must drinking be?

[Daniel Chavez]

I know that drinking at least 2 drinks a night, every night will cause
alcoholism. But could somebody tell me, based on statistical testing, the
average amount of time that it would require a 200lb. person, that drinks an
average of 2 vodka tonics per night, to become physically addicted?

[Bobby L.]

"Daniel Chavez" <vze4btyw@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:LmLPa.2704$eY3.2078@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> I know that drinking at least 2 drinks a night, every night will cause
> alcoholism. But could somebody tell me, based on statistical testing, the
> average amount of time that it would require a 200lb. person, that drinks
an
> average of 2 vodka tonics per night, to become physically addicted?
>
>

So how's does that work? Let's see if I go all week and behave then on
Friday Night I can have what.... 7 Doubles?
How many can I have if don't drink for two weeks -- 14 doubles? If I grit
my teeth and white knuckle it for three weeks - Can I have 42 Drinks over
the weekend? I mean hell, that's "an average of 2 vodka tonics per night"
isn't it?

Are you tracking now?

Bobby L

[Totfit]

Really it is very unlikely that two drinks (standard size) will in
anyway cause alcoholism. This is typically the quantity considered very
normal drinking. I have never heard of any statistics that show in any
way shape or form any amount of time that a 200lb. person could drink
two a night and become an alcoholic. There is much more to addiction
than that and the alcohol in the quantities you mention would be in your
system much to short a time to cause physical addiction. Now if you are
predisposed it would be likely that the amount would gradually or
rapidly increase or you would never have any control in the first
place. Then a person would be headed for trouble.

Gregg

Daniel Chavez wrote:
> I know that drinking at least 2 drinks a night, every night will cause
> alcoholism. But could somebody tell me, based on statistical testing, the
> average amount of time that it would require a 200lb. person, that drinks an
> average of 2 vodka tonics per night, to become physically addicted?
>
>

[Michael Rapp]

On Sat, 12 Jul 2003 03:36:11 GMT, "Daniel Chavez"
<vze4btyw@verizon.net> wrote:

>I know that drinking at least 2 drinks a night, every night will cause
>alcoholism. But could somebody tell me, based on statistical testing, the
>average amount of time that it would require a 200lb. person, that drinks an
>average of 2 vodka tonics per night, to become physically addicted?
>
>
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It's not the quantity, it's the quality of the drinking.
There is no amoutn which is "safe" nor is ther an amount that's
"unsafe". It depends and varies broadly from person to person. But the
general rule 2drinks/night = alcoholism can be dumped, definitely.
However, this is not supposed to be an absolution, I neither can nor
will pass out one.
But if you are predisposed or may have a previous "career", there is
no such thing as "controlled drinking". Not today, not tomorrow, but
over years this will lead to desaster (mind you, if you are
predisposed or already have been diagnosed an alcoholic). Some may
argue this point, but from personal experience and observation I have
learned the hard way: Like pregnancy, you are or you're not.
Over here (in Germany), the therapists use the following guideline to
determine alcoholism:
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1. Strong desire or compulsion to consume alcohol
2. lowered ability to controll begining, ending and amount of
consupmtion
3. consumption of alcohol to reduce withdrawal symptoms
4. Suffering of bodily withdrawal sympt0ms
5. Development of tolerance towards alcohol (the amount has to be
increaased in order to get the same effect)
6. The drinking habists deviate from "normal" (i. e. celebrations/
parties, after work, holidays)
7. Advancing neglect of other interests in favor of alcohol
consumption
8. Maintaining alcohol cunsumption in spite of evidence of accute harm
(bodily, socially or psychic)

If, in the course of the last year, three or more of the above
indications have showed up, the diagnosis of chronic dependancy has to
be made.
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so, there goes. in answering those questions, remember that the only
person you can lie to is yourself.
Michael.

[rosie readandpost]

"Daniel Chavez" <vze4btyw@verizon.net> wrote in message news:LmLPa.2704$eY3.2078@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> I know that drinking at least 2 drinks a night, every night will cause
> alcoholism.


you KNOW this?
HOW?

[Mias]

Hi Daniel - MNIMAIAAA
I have read somewhere that the 'Medical definition' of the possibility of a
'problem' drinker is two tots a day. That is about half a bottle a week.
According to that standard about half my countrymen is over-qualified!
Kind regards
Mias
14 years clean and sober and enjoying every second!
MNIMAIAAA My Name Is Mias And I Am An Alcoholic

"Daniel Chavez" <vze4btyw@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:LmLPa.2704$eY3.2078@nwrddc01.gnilink.net...
> I know that drinking at least 2 drinks a night, every night will cause
> alcoholism. But could somebody tell me, based on statistical testing, the
> average amount of time that it would require a 200lb. person, that drinks
an
> average of 2 vodka tonics per night, to become physically addicted?
>
>

[Daniel Chavez]

Hi folks, sorry that it took me this long to respond. I GREATLY appreciate
the feedback that I got; I did not expect to get so much. The problem that
I've got (or apparently might not have) is with my mother. I tried to find
an Al-anon newsgroup, but couldn't find any with my DSL provider, so I
figured that this was the next best thing.

I'll give a quick background first. My mother is the child of a severe
alcoholic and has one sister that is a severe alcoholic. Her other sister,
my aunt, drinks about the same amount as her: one to three a night. To make
things much worse, they lost their brother to suicide when I was a baby. He
was also a victim of addiction. My parents got divorced about eight years
ago and ever since my mother seems to have gotten lonelier. Their was
always a huge rift between them. He is a conservative republican and VERY
religious; she is a VERY liberal democrat and atheistic. I can never
remember them showing any real affection toward each other. She still goes
out with a friend ever couple of weeks. She still remains active at work
(where she is a higher-up in administration). The only thing that strongly
worries me is how she has physically taken care of herself. She has no
serious ailments, but I am very worried about her general depression. As I
said, she remains very functional, but she is just not really happy.

So now you may be able to understand my strong concern over her nightly
drinking. But to tell the truth, I also cannot ever remember her ever
getting truly sloshed. After reading your responses, I am not at all
certain any longer that the main problem is the alcohol. Instead, I'm
thinking that it's just situational depression. I obviously did not "know"
what I thought. I think that I might need to consult my doctor about which
of my ass-u-me's are correct.

Thank you all very much.

[Mias]

Dear Daniel
To become 'sober' one must obtain a degree of honesty and also the desire to
first work on the beam in one's own eye before trying to remove the splinter
from the eye of a Democratic Republican.
Kind regards
Mias

"Daniel Chavez" <vze4btyw@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:6DhQa.17661$C07.5808@nwrddc02.gnilink.net...
> Hi folks, sorry that it took me this long to respond. I GREATLY
appreciate
> the feedback that I got; I did not expect to get so much. The problem
that
> I've got (or apparently might not have) is with my mother. I tried to
find
> an Al-anon newsgroup, but couldn't find any with my DSL provider, so I
> figured that this was the next best thing.
>
> I'll give a quick background first. My mother is the child of a severe
> alcoholic and has one sister that is a severe alcoholic. Her other
sister,
> my aunt, drinks about the same amount as her: one to three a night. To
make
> things much worse, they lost their brother to suicide when I was a baby.
He
> was also a victim of addiction. My parents got divorced about eight years
> ago and ever since my mother seems to have gotten lonelier. Their was
> always a huge rift between them. He is a conservative republican and VERY
> religious; she is a VERY liberal democrat and atheistic. I can never
> remember them showing any real affection toward each other. She still
goes
> out with a friend ever couple of weeks. She still remains active at work
> (where she is a higher-up in administration). The only thing that
strongly
> worries me is how she has physically taken care of herself. She has no
> serious ailments, but I am very worried about her general depression. As
I
> said, she remains very functional, but she is just not really happy.
>
> So now you may be able to understand my strong concern over her nightly
> drinking. But to tell the truth, I also cannot ever remember her ever
> getting truly sloshed. After reading your responses, I am not at all
> certain any longer that the main problem is the alcohol. Instead, I'm
> thinking that it's just situational depression. I obviously did not
"know"
> what I thought. I think that I might need to consult my doctor about
which
> of my ass-u-me's are correct.
>
> Thank you all very much.
>
>