5-27-04

[rosie]

Reflections for Beginners
from
'Hour To Hour - The First 30 Days'
- by Shelly Marshall
the author of 'Day By Day' & other Meditation Books




If we can meditate at first, good. If we can pray, good. But
if we can't, we mustn't worry. Discipline and dedication will come
later. They are not great virtues of addicts. In the meantime we
must attend meetings daily, find a sponsor, use professional help if
its available and don't take that first fix, pill, drink, smoke, or
snort.

May I not get down on myself for not doing everything people
tell me I should. I need only go to meetings and stay clean and
sober right now.

[rockhound]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 14:49:14 GMT, "rosie"
<readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:

> Reflections for Beginners
> from
> 'Hour To Hour - The First 30 Days'
> - by Shelly Marshall
> the author of 'Day By Day' & other Meditation Books
>
>
>
>
> If we can meditate at first, good. If we can pray, good. But

We eventually discover we must try, if even as an experiment.

>if we can't, we mustn't worry. Discipline and dedication will come

We relax and take it easy; we do not struggle.

>later. They are not great virtues of addicts. In the meantime we

We alcoholics are undisciplined. We let God discipline us in the way
referenced on page 88.


>must attend meetings daily, find a sponsor, use professional help if
>its available and don't take that first fix, pill, drink, smoke, or
>snort.
This part needs to be taken out back and shot. What a crock of shit.
You ask the impossible. Shelly Marshall is a froot loop, and by no
means a real alcoholic.


> May I not get down on myself for not doing everything people
>tell me I should. I need only go to meetings and stay clean and
>sober right now.
Indeed, do whatever you think you ought, but you might want to keep in
mind meanwhile what those 'in the know' have told you about
alcoholism.

Once more: The alcoholic at certain times has no effective mental
defense against the first drink. Except in a few cases, neither he nor
any other human being can provide such a defense. His defense must
come from a Higher Power.

----------------


Why do so many people subscribe to that Hazelden-type crap ?


Here - this, from the AntiChrist:

If a mere code of morals or a better philosophy of life were
sufficient to overcome alcoholism, many of us would have recovered
long ago. But we found that such codes and philosophies did not save
us, no matter how much we tried. We could wish to be moral, we could
wish to be philosophically comforted, in fact, we could will these
things with all our might, but the needed power wasn't there. Our
human resources, as marshalled by the will, were not sufficient; they
failed utterly.

google it.

i'm gurgling again.

[rockhound]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 14:49:14 GMT, "rosie"
<readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:

> Reflections for Beginners
> from
> 'Hour To Hour - The First 30 Days'
> - by Shelly Marshall
> the author of 'Day By Day' & other Meditation Books
>
>
>
>
> If we can meditate at first, good. If we can pray, good. But
>if we can't, we mustn't worry. Discipline and dedication will come

>later. They are not great virtues of addicts. In the meantime we
>must attend meetings daily, find a sponsor, use professional help if
>its available and don't take that first fix, pill, drink, smoke, or
>snort.

rosie, this must be meant just for drug addicts. This particular
newsgroup is about alcoholism, isn't it? Different breed altogether.

I think you should point that out more clearly when posting this
advice aimed at drug addicts.

Alcoholism is a completely different thing. Alcoholics only use those
'fix, pill, drink, smoke, snort, et al' as a means to control their
alcoholism, substitutes, of a sort.

If you're dually addicted, especially to heroin, well gees i will have
to wager that nothing short an act of god will save you, particularly
if willpower has ceased to exist altogether.

[rosie]

:
: rosie, this must be meant just for drug addicts. This particular
: newsgroup is about alcoholism, isn't it? Different breed
altogether.


ACTUALLY, that meditation is for beginners...................
(.................don't take that first fix, pill, drink, smoke, or
snort.)




:
: Alcoholism is a completely different thing. Alcoholics only use
those
: 'fix, pill, drink, smoke, snort, et al' as a means to control
their
: alcoholism, substitutes, of a sort.


rock,
you meant to say, IN YOUR OPINION, right?

[rosie]

:
: Why do so many people subscribe to that Hazelden-type crap ?
:
:
:

when i sobered up, the only daily meditation book we had, was the
little black TWENTY FOUR HOURS A DAY, which was a hazelden
publication.

don't throw the baby out with the bath
water..............................
WHATEVER WORKS is the creed i follow!

[rockhound]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 15:10:46 GMT, "rosie"
<readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:

>
>:
>: rosie, this must be meant just for drug addicts. This particular
>: newsgroup is about alcoholism, isn't it? Different breed
>altogether.
>
>
>ACTUALLY, that meditation is for beginners...................
>(.................don't take that first fix, pill, drink, smoke, or
>snort.)

beginners at what? Death by madness?

Every action is followed by an equal and opposite reaction.

spiritual whiplash.


>: Alcoholism is a completely different thing. Alcoholics only use
>those
>: 'fix, pill, drink, smoke, snort, et al' as a means to control
>their
>: alcoholism, substitutes, of a sort.
>
>
>rock,
>you meant to say, IN YOUR OPINION, right?

I am simply increasing the list ad infinitum started by some real
alcoholics:

Here are some of the methods we have tried: Drinking beer only,
limiting the number of drinks, never drinking alone, never drinking in
the morning, drinking only at home, never having it in the house,
never drinking during business hours, drinking only at parties,
switching from scotch to brandy, drinking only natural wines, agreeing
to resign if ever drunk on the job, taking a trip, not taking a trip,
swearing off forever (with and without a solemn oath), taking more
physical exercise, reading inspirational books, going to health farms
and sanitariums, accepting voluntary commitment to asylums - we could
increase the list ad infinitum.

ad infinitum

[rockhound]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 15:15:50 GMT, "rosie"
<readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:

>
>:
>: Why do so many people subscribe to that Hazelden-type crap ?
>:
>:
>:
>
>when i sobered up, the only daily meditation book we had, was the
>little black TWENTY FOUR HOURS A DAY, which was a hazelden
>publication.
>
>don't throw the baby out with the bath
>water..............................
>WHATEVER WORKS is the creed i follow!

yeah, but you're still on drugs.

[rosie]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:2hmg6kFemo1gU1@uni-berlin.de...
: rosie wrote:
: >> Why do so many people subscribe to that Hazelden-type
: crap ?
: >>
: >>
: >>
: >
: > when i sobered up, the only daily meditation book we had,
: was the
: > little black TWENTY FOUR HOURS A DAY, which was a hazelden
: > publication.
: >
: > don't throw the baby out with the bath
: > water..............................
: > WHATEVER WORKS is the creed i follow!
:
: rosie wrote:
: >YES, whatever works!
: >i belong to the "old school" of counting sobriety from the
: LAST
: >drink/drug,
:
: rosie wrote:
: >i am thinking about asking my pdoc to increase my celexa to
: >60mg..........anyone else in here have good results with
: that dosage?
: >my 40mg seems to be "pooping out"...........
:
: rosie wrote:
: >if there is a "better" antidepressant out there, i sure
: would like to read
: >about it!
:
: rosie wrote:
: >btw, i am NOT comfortable with your
: >hallucinations....................talk to your doctor about
: those,
: >please?
:
:
:

as usual, nothing of your own experience to add, right bob?

[rosie]

rock,
back on the negative attacks again, i see......................
that didn't take long!
;(

--

"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
news:fa112b5fef6ea1f7ccac9545ac5b057f@news.teranew s.com...

:
: yeah, but you're still on drugs.
:
:

[Robert McGregor]

rosie wrote:
>> Why do so many people subscribe to that Hazelden-type
crap ?
>>
>>
>>
>
> when i sobered up, the only daily meditation book we had,
was the
> little black TWENTY FOUR HOURS A DAY, which was a hazelden
> publication.
>
> don't throw the baby out with the bath
> water..............................
> WHATEVER WORKS is the creed i follow!

rosie wrote:
>YES, whatever works!
>i belong to the "old school" of counting sobriety from the
LAST
>drink/drug,

rosie wrote:
>i am thinking about asking my pdoc to increase my celexa to
>60mg..........anyone else in here have good results with
that dosage?
>my 40mg seems to be "pooping out"...........

rosie wrote:
>if there is a "better" antidepressant out there, i sure
would like to read
>about it!

rosie wrote:
>btw, i am NOT comfortable with your
>hallucinations....................talk to your doctor about
those,
>please?

[rockhound]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 15:36:03 GMT, "rosie"
<readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:

>rock,
>back on the negative attacks again, i see......................
>that didn't take long!
>;(

neither did my bath. :(

no, rosie, just an observation,


from yours truly,

just another fuckin' observer

[Blue Moon]

On Thu, 27 May 2004 15:10:46 GMT, "rosie"
<readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:

>
>:
>: rosie, this must be meant just for drug addicts. This particular
>: newsgroup is about alcoholism, isn't it? Different breed
>altogether.
>
>
>ACTUALLY, that meditation is for beginners...................
>(.................don't take that first fix, pill, drink, smoke, or
>snort.)
>
>
>
>
>:
>: Alcoholism is a completely different thing. Alcoholics only use
>those
>: 'fix, pill, drink, smoke, snort, et al' as a means to control
>their
>: alcoholism, substitutes, of a sort.
>
>
>rock,
>you meant to say, IN YOUR OPINION, right?

As ever in a usenet group. But in this case, she's right.

--
Blue Moon