I'm resentful at:

[rockhound]

The Blue Angels.

The Cause:
There can be only one.

Affects my:
self esteem (fear)
security (fear)

i ain't it.

[Mias]

Why resentful? You have probably survived more blackouts than them all
together and you have probably flown a hell of a lot higher and faster, far
more cost efficient. Get a life! Stand up and be counted.
"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
news:a794c063d4f2eed95563922a530ab98e@news.teranew s.com...
> The Blue Angels.
>
> The Cause:
> There can be only one.
>
> Affects my:
> self esteem (fear)
> security (fear)
>
> i ain't it.

[rockhound]

Thanks for the laughs, guys, neuro, [[?]], Mias :)

God, in his infinite wisdom, seeing my plight and most elaborate cry
for sympathy and attention, decided to not reveal where i had put my
car keys, as i was once again prepared to stoop, and hit the nooner.

He suggested, in fact, that i am only sore at myself, because i never
did what i might have in order to enjoy the kind of money and power
wielded by bushwhackers et al.

He also probably had a hand in arranging that too :)

I still think y'all wanna keep a close eye on your medical bills.

rosie, you schmuck, after 20 years of going to meetings, you'd think
you could have learned to identify with your average alky. Get the
fuck out of AA - you ain't an alcoholic, you're just a cheap
depressive imitation. Go push your pills on someone else's street
corner. Take Tono with ya.

ooooh i'm gurgling again.

[rett]

rockhound <user@null.org> wrote in message news:<7b315d5f1bacfe3bee37bc1e54830e0a@news.teranews.com >...
> Thanks for the laughs, guys, neuro, [[?]], Mias :)
>
> God, in his infinite wisdom, seeing my plight and most elaborate cry
> for sympathy and attention, decided to not reveal where i had put my
> car keys, as i was once again prepared to stoop, and hit the nooner.
>
> He suggested, in fact, that i am only sore at myself, because i never
> did what i might have in order to enjoy the kind of money and power
> wielded by bushwhackers et al.
>
> He also probably had a hand in arranging that too :)
>
> I still think y'all wanna keep a close eye on your medical bills.
>
> rosie, you schmuck, after 20 years of going to meetings, you'd think
> you could have learned to identify with your average alky. Get the
> fuck out of AA - you ain't an alcoholic, you're just a cheap
> depressive imitation. Go push your pills on someone else's street


My goodness...think you have some issues here?
You need help.
> corner. Take Tono with ya.
>
> ooooh i'm gurgling again.

[rosie]

:
: My goodness...think you have some issues here?

ya' think?
;)








"rett" <rett49@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:ac589f3e.0405191649.3184cb09@posting.google.c om...
: rockhound <user@null.org> wrote in message
news:<7b315d5f1bacfe3bee37bc1e54830e0a@news.teranews.com >...
: > Thanks for the laughs, guys, neuro, [[?]], Mias :)
: >
: > God, in his infinite wisdom, seeing my plight and most elaborate
cry
: > for sympathy and attention, decided to not reveal where i had
put my
: > car keys, as i was once again prepared to stoop, and hit the
nooner.
: >
: > He suggested, in fact, that i am only sore at myself, because i
never
: > did what i might have in order to enjoy the kind of money and
power
: > wielded by bushwhackers et al.
: >
: > He also probably had a hand in arranging that too :)
: >
: > I still think y'all wanna keep a close eye on your medical
bills.
: >
: > rosie, you schmuck, after 20 years of going to meetings, you'd
think
: > you could have learned to identify with your average alky. Get
the
: > fuck out of AA - you ain't an alcoholic, you're just a cheap
: > depressive imitation. Go push your pills on someone else's
street
:
:
: My goodness...think you have some issues here?
: You need help.
: > corner. Take Tono with ya.
: >
: > ooooh i'm gurgling again.

[rockhound]

On Wed, 19 May 2004 18:47:16 GMT, rockhound <user@null.org> wrote:

>
> neuro, [[?]] , Mias

are you three weirdos all made of the same ephemeral fluff, or what?

[Blue Moon]

On 19 May 2004 17:49:22 -0700, rett49@sbcglobal.net (rett) wrote:

>My goodness...think you have some issues here?
>You need help.

Do you really think she'd be trying to work Step 4 if that wasn't the
case?

--
Blue Moon

[rockhound]

On Fri, 21 May 2004 03:18:04 GMT, "John Droge"
<jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:28e1ba56964413f98fc74497e0bf4723@news.teranew s.com...
>> On 19 May 2004 17:49:22 -0700, rett49@sbcglobal.net (rett) wrote:
>>
>> >My goodness...think you have some issues here?
>> >You need help.
>>
>> Do you really think she'd be trying to work Step 4 if that wasn't the
>> case?
>>
>> --
>> Blue Moon
>
>Moon
>Where'd you get step 4 from?
>I appreciate the step 1 work intending on going to a noon meeting.
>John

By their fruit you shall know them:
http://tinyurl.com/2hsum

[John Droge]

"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:28e1ba56964413f98fc74497e0bf4723@news.teranew s.com...
> On 19 May 2004 17:49:22 -0700, rett49@sbcglobal.net (rett) wrote:
>
> >My goodness...think you have some issues here?
> >You need help.
>
> Do you really think she'd be trying to work Step 4 if that wasn't the
> case?
>
> --
> Blue Moon

Moon
Where'd you get step 4 from?
I appreciate the step 1 work intending on going to a noon meeting.
John

[neuro equipoise]

On - Thu, May 20, 2004, 6:44pm (EDT+4) user@null.org (rockhound) wrote:

> neuro, [[?]] , Mias
> are you three weirdos all made of the same
> ephemeral fluff, or what?

Sorry, can't talk to you now. We're busy cloning souffles. We're
making 'soft bombs'...


"a new type of bomb, previously unused in the air campaign had been used
to cause widespread disruption with minimum destruction. Although he was
unable to give more details, the weapon is thought to be a so-called
"soft bomb".

[rockhound]

On Thu, 20 May 2004 23:20:35 -0400, NeuroEquipoise@webtv.net (neuro
equipoise) wrote:

>On - Thu, May 20, 2004, 6:44pm (EDT+4) user@null.org (rockhound) wrote:
>
>> neuro, [[?]] , Mias
>> are you three weirdos all made of the same
>> ephemeral fluff, or what?
>
>Sorry, can't talk to you now. We're busy cloning souffles. We're
>making 'soft bombs'...
>
>
>"a new type of bomb, previously unused in the air campaign had been used
>to cause widespread disruption with minimum destruction. Although he was
>unable to give more details, the weapon is thought to be a so-called
>"soft bomb".

rofl - lemme come and visit u guys PLEEEEEEASE

[rockhound]

On Fri, 21 May 2004 03:31:15 GMT, rockhound <user@null.org> wrote:

>On Thu, 20 May 2004 23:20:35 -0400, NeuroEquipoise@webtv.net (neuro
>equipoise) wrote:
>
>>On - Thu, May 20, 2004, 6:44pm (EDT+4) user@null.org (rockhound) wrote:
>>
>>> neuro, [[?]] , Mias
>>> are you three weirdos all made of the same
>>> ephemeral fluff, or what?
>>
>>Sorry, can't talk to you now. We're busy cloning souffles. We're
>>making 'soft bombs'...
>>
>>
>>"a new type of bomb, previously unused in the air campaign had been used
>>to cause widespread disruption with minimum destruction. Although he was
>>unable to give more details, the weapon is thought to be a so-called
>>"soft bomb".
>
>rofl - lemme come and visit u guys PLEEEEEEASE

hey i can't sleep when i'm laughing - tell me something sad.

[rockhound]

On Fri, 21 May 2004 03:32:44 GMT, rockhound <user@null.org> wrote:

>On Fri, 21 May 2004 03:31:15 GMT, rockhound <user@null.org> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 20 May 2004 23:20:35 -0400, NeuroEquipoise@webtv.net (neuro
>>equipoise) wrote:
>>
>>>On - Thu, May 20, 2004, 6:44pm (EDT+4) user@null.org (rockhound) wrote:
>>>
>>>> neuro, [[?]] , Mias
>>>> are you three weirdos all made of the same
>>>> ephemeral fluff, or what?
>>>
>>>Sorry, can't talk to you now. We're busy cloning souffles. We're
>>>making 'soft bombs'...
>>>
>>>
>>>"a new type of bomb, previously unused in the air campaign had been used
>>>to cause widespread disruption with minimum destruction. Although he was
>>>unable to give more details, the weapon is thought to be a so-called
>>>"soft bomb".
>>
>>rofl - lemme come and visit u guys PLEEEEEEASE
>
>hey i can't sleep when i'm laughing - tell me something sad.

Like why Robert McGregor won't talk to me. :(

[JB]

"neuro equipoise" <NeuroEquipoise@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:21600-40AD7583-270@storefull-3274.bay.webtv.net...
> On - Thu, May 20, 2004, 6:44pm (EDT+4) user@null.org (rockhound)
wrote:
>
> > neuro, [[?]] , Mias
> > are you three weirdos all made of the same
> > ephemeral fluff, or what?
>
> Sorry, can't talk to you now. We're busy cloning souffles. We're
> making 'soft bombs'...
>
>
> "a new type of bomb, previously unused in the air campaign had been
used
> to cause widespread disruption with minimum destruction. Although he
was
> unable to give more details, the weapon is thought to be a so-called
> "soft bomb".

NE,

Did you supply the purple flour bombs that recently landed on Tony
Blair as he spoke during Prime Minister's Question Time in the House
of Commons ? :^)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3728617.stm

JB

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <c8kif6$7h4$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, JB <JBCatRB@coldman.com>
writes
>Did you supply the purple flour bombs that recently landed on Tony
>Blair as he spoke during Prime Minister's Question Time in the House of
>Commons ? :^)

Gives a new twist to the Prince song: Purple Rain ;-)
--
Jonathan Bratt

[neuro equipoise]

On - Fri, May 21, 2004, 10:44am (EDT+5) JBCatRB@coldman.com (JB) wrote:

> NE,
> Did you supply the purple flour bombs that
> recently landed on Tony Blair as he spoke during
> Prime Minister's Question Time in the House of
> Commons ? :^)

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3728617.stm

> "condoms full of purple flour were thrown at Tony
> Blair as he faced MPs in the House of Commons.
> Campaign group Fathers 4 Justice claimed
> responsibility."

No. I would have stuffed the condoms with turkey necks.

[rosie]

: Gives a new twist to the Prince song: Purple Rain ;-)
: --
: Jonathan Bratt


LOL!
thanks for my first laugh of the day!

[Blue Moon]

On Fri, 21 May 2004 03:18:04 GMT, "John Droge"
<jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Where'd you get step 4 from?

The Big Book, (I gleaned a little help from the 12x12 when it came to
some sexual and "social acceptance" stuff, but for the directions on
*how* to do a 4th I used the BB). However, I needed some time and
assistance to get my head around what the book was suggesting, not
least because the example of part of Step 4 is incomplete.

I spent some time exploring other options, including various 101
questions-and-answers forms and the life-story that can be prevalent
in treatment centers. But I don't regret adopting the Big Book method
because of some of the subsequent Steps, whereas a life story would
have achieved far less.

--
Blue Moon

[Blue Moon]

Step 4:

Hope this helps :)

http://makeashorterlink.com/?P5AD52D58

--
Blue Moon

[John Droge]

"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:93bf941b5f3213594f2c4e247d619acd@news.teranew s.com...
> On Fri, 21 May 2004 03:18:04 GMT, "John Droge"
> <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >Where'd you get step 4 from?
>
> The Big Book, (I gleaned a little help from the 12x12 when it came to
> some sexual and "social acceptance" stuff, but for the directions on
> *how* to do a 4th I used the BB). However, I needed some time and
> assistance to get my head around what the book was suggesting, not
> least because the example of part of Step 4 is incomplete.
>
> I spent some time exploring other options, including various 101
> questions-and-answers forms and the life-story that can be prevalent
> in treatment centers. But I don't regret adopting the Big Book method
> because of some of the subsequent Steps, whereas a life story would
> have achieved far less.
>
> --
> Blue Moon
Moon
As in step 4 is about dealing with resentments, fears, sexual conduct and as
far as I'm concerned any other little devils a person has dancing in their
head; not posting in a ng for the people you resent to read. You like things
exact so maybe you couldn't get my liberal drift. Where in step 4 are you
advised to work your personal inventory in public?

Let me rephrase my original.
Where'd you see any step 4 work being done?

Maybe it's the liberal in me again but a person venting their spleen AT
people is Anti 4. And so we do not go pass Go, we do not collect $200, we go
back to step 3; if not further.
John

[Robert McGregor]

"John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:FPCrc.4952$Tn6.1768@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> As in step 4 is about dealing with resentments, fears,
sexual conduct and as
> far as I'm concerned any other little devils a person has
dancing in their
> head;

Jeez, "dealing with" stuff at step four?

You don't think your program is far more complicated than
the AA step four, which is simply taking an inventory?

>not posting in a ng for the people you resent to read.

Oh, so that's what you're doing:-)

Ok

Bob

[JB]

"John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:FPCrc.4952$Tn6.1768@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> Moon
> As in step 4 is about dealing with resentments, fears, sexual
conduct and as
> far as I'm concerned any other little devils a person has dancing in
their
> head;

John,

Do you mean by "dealing with" nothing more than "identifying" ?

<snip>

.. Where in step 4 are you
> advised to work your personal inventory in public?

To the best of my knowledge, it's doesn't..
>
> Let me rephrase my original.
> Where'd you see any step 4 work being done?
>
> Maybe it's the liberal in me again but a person venting their spleen
AT
> people is Anti 4.

IMO, when someone vents spleen they may be aware that their action
is a manifestation of a character defect they have which they may or
may not
wish to eventually be free of. Alternatively, they may think that
what they're doing is OK because they don't see it as being caused by
any character defect they've decided they have.

Steps 6 and 7 focus on the removal of character defects:

Step 6: Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of
character.

Step 7. Humbly ask him to remove our shortcomings.

HTH

JB

[rockhound]

>As in step 4 is about dealing with resentments, fears, sexual conduct and as
>far as I'm concerned any other little devils a person has dancing in their
>head; not posting in a ng for the people you resent to read. You like things
>exact so maybe you couldn't get my liberal drift. Where in step 4 are you
>advised to work your personal inventory in public?
>
>Let me rephrase my original.
>Where'd you see any step 4 work being done?
>
>Maybe it's the liberal in me again but a person venting their spleen AT
>people is Anti 4. And so we do not go pass Go, we do not collect $200, we go
>back to step 3; if not further.
>John

Lookit, i'm sorry, folks, about trying to use you all as an AA group,
but they don't even answer the phone in my town - that's how much
they're interested. Their meeting is full of people, like here, that
all seem to think'they've arrived', when it's all too plain, to me
anyway, that they're just full of shit and flames. When i'm really
really really down, gotta admit, even they start to look good, but i'm
wise enough not to fully undress my private life to people that probly
just want to prove they're better than me.

So, in a moment of insanity and desperation, i flew up a balloon here
to see if i could get any guidance from someone who says they've gone
through with the AA instructions and should be able to help me see
where i'm full of shit, so i can maybe better avoid 'getting into it'
with y'all, but i can see that's not gonna go anywhere either. Those
loudly proclaiming 15-20 years of 'sobriety' in AA have nothing but so
much fluff to offer in the way of answers to my racking conflicts.

Once in awhile i sit back and listen to you fuckers go at it, and
there's one thing pretty obvious - the first casualty of all your
petty arguments is the truth. All y'all wanna defend is your sorry
ass selves.

I feel sorry for anyone that reads this newsgroup thinking y'all might
have found anything in the way of a solution for alcoholics, and our
sometimes pretty twisted characters. We exist, you know. Some of us
have withdrawn so much from the world that the cold pc is our best and
only friend, beside the bottle.

But it seems like most of you would rather either use someone's
problems as a way to convince yourself of some lie, or hand us over
like so much fresh clientele for big business, as if they could help
us, or send us willy nilly to 'meetings' and more 'meetings' oh and
did i mention 'more meetings'. Why? So we can be an audience for
your proud self obsession and bullshit?

In the end, i can only believe what they said to me all those years
ago - that i can stay sober despite all of you, and despite myself, so
long as i keep on trying to turn my reliance to something more than
human. So i guess ya've done me a favor in the end, cause you don't
fucking know. So thanks, for the nothing that you offer here.

I dunno. Maybe that guy with the porsche. But...then...i know what
my motives would be...

empty as a pocket,
rock

[JB]

"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
news:a6a187181977bb9bf74c477670c277d5@news.teranew s.com...
> In the end, i can only believe what they said to me all those years
> ago - that i can stay sober despite all of you, and despite myself,
so
> long as i keep on trying to turn my reliance to something more than
> human. So i guess ya've done me a favor in the end, cause you don't
> fucking know. So thanks, for the nothing that you offer here.

Rock,

If by being here you think you've found what you might need - ie a
"reliance to something more than human", maybe we've not been as
useless to you as your comment " thanks, for the nothing that you
offer here" seems to suggst :^)

JB

[rockhound]

On Sat, 22 May 2004 13:19:58 +0100, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote:

>
>"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
>news:a6a187181977bb9bf74c477670c277d5@news.teranew s.com...
>> In the end, i can only believe what they said to me all those years
>> ago - that i can stay sober despite all of you, and despite myself,
>so
>> long as i keep on trying to turn my reliance to something more than
>> human. So i guess ya've done me a favor in the end, cause you don't
>> fucking know. So thanks, for the nothing that you offer here.
>
>Rock,
>
>If by being here you think you've found what you might need - ie a
>"reliance to something more than human", maybe we've not been as
>useless to you as your comment " thanks, for the nothing that you
>offer here" seems to suggst :^)
>
>JB

Well, JB, it wasn't you i had in mind really, writing that, this US
Sat. am. Kind of feel like you have a pretty smart way of approaching
this. You're one of the people i read, and watching you does help me
find my way, really. I appreciate your sincerity above all.

Anyway, i'm tuned atm to an old B grade Walken movie called McBain
that seems to me to explain exactly how to help people recover from
alcoholism (complete with F16s). :)

Well...it explains one method, and in so many words, too. Keep it
simple, they said.

I love Walken.

Happy weekend,
rock.

[JB]

"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
news:b0324e35a62088b020b68d62b92171e6@news.teranew s.com...
> On Sat, 22 May 2004 13:19:58 +0100, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com>
wrote:
>
> >
> >"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
> >news:a6a187181977bb9bf74c477670c277d5@news.teranew s.com...
> >> In the end, i can only believe what they said to me all those
years
> >> ago - that i can stay sober despite all of you, and despite
myself,
> >so
> >> long as i keep on trying to turn my reliance to something more
than
> >> human. So i guess ya've done me a favor in the end, cause you
don't
> >> fucking know. So thanks, for the nothing that you offer here.
> >
> >Rock,
> >
> >If by being here you think you've found what you might need - ie a
> >"reliance to something more than human", maybe we've not been as
> >useless to you as your comment " thanks, for the nothing that you
> >offer here" seems to suggst :^)
> >
> >JB
>
> Well, JB, it wasn't you i had in mind really, writing that, this US
> Sat. am. Kind of feel like you have a pretty smart way of
approaching
> this. You're one of the people i read, and watching you does help
me
> find my way, really. I appreciate your sincerity above all.
>
> Anyway, i'm tuned atm to an old B grade Walken movie called McBain
> that seems to me to explain exactly how to help people recover from
> alcoholism (complete with F16s). :)
>
> Well...it explains one method, and in so many words, too. Keep it
> simple, they said.
>
> I love Walken.
>
> Happy weekend,
> rock.

Rock,

Remember:

Alcoholism strikes deadly blows on those ill-equipped to fight it.

http://geekphilosopher.com/MainPage/bkgAirplane.htm

JB :^)

[Blue Moon]

On Sat, 22 May 2004 06:55:33 GMT, "John Droge"
<jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:

>"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
>news:93bf941b5f3213594f2c4e247d619acd@news.teranew s.com...
>> On Fri, 21 May 2004 03:18:04 GMT, "John Droge"
>> <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Where'd you get step 4 from?
>>
>> The Big Book, (I gleaned a little help from the 12x12 when it came to
>> some sexual and "social acceptance" stuff, but for the directions on
>> *how* to do a 4th I used the BB). However, I needed some time and
>> assistance to get my head around what the book was suggesting, not
>> least because the example of part of Step 4 is incomplete.
>>
>> I spent some time exploring other options, including various 101
>> questions-and-answers forms and the life-story that can be prevalent
>> in treatment centers. But I don't regret adopting the Big Book method
>> because of some of the subsequent Steps, whereas a life story would
>> have achieved far less.
>
>As in step 4 is about dealing with resentments, fears, sexual conduct and as
>far as I'm concerned any other little devils a person has dancing in their
>head; not posting in a ng for the people you resent to read. You like things
>exact so maybe you couldn't get my liberal drift. Where in step 4 are you
>advised to work your personal inventory in public?

You're not. Did anyone suggest otherwise?

>Let me rephrase my original.
>Where'd you see any step 4 work being done?

That's a completely different question to the one you asked.

>Maybe it's the liberal in me again but a person venting their spleen AT
>people is Anti 4. And so we do not go pass Go, we do not collect $200, we go
>back to step 3; if not further.

Someone venting may be stuck in Step 1, or experiencing a failure to
follow through with the decision of Step 3.

However, someone working Step 4 should not be confused with someone
who's experienced the emotional (/spiritual) benefits of the
subsequent prescribed actions. Step 4 can bring out the worst in
people, and that doesn't necessarily mean they're doing it "wrong" or
not doing it at all.

--
Blue Moon

[rockhound]

>"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message

>So thanks, for the nothing that you offer here.

I wanna retract, or modify the above statement. Can i do that on
usenet, or is this a non-retracting group?

[rockhound]

On Sun, 23 May 2004 06:40:08 GMT, rockhound <user@null.org> wrote:

>>"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
>
>>So thanks, for the nothing that you offer here.
>
>I wanna retract, or modify the above statement. Can i do that on
>usenet, or is this a non-retracting group?
>

Ok thanks, then, i take it back. That myopic view i had earlier.


I've been thinking....

You all have given me plenty cool stuff.

rosie, above all, tolerance
JB, common sense
neuro, vitamin cupcakes
Kai, a wink through a window
Blue Moon, twice in one month :)
Gail, spooks
Mias, encouragement
[[?]], riddles
John Droge, a headache
Bobby L, exercise
NoJunk, relief
Christine, awe
Ron, a belly button
Melia, green grass
jim, a friend
Robert-McGregor-to-whom-i-am-not-speaking-today, a challenge
et al.


I almost have all the makings for a real human being, already :)

If you keep giving me these lollipops, i will never go away.


-----------------------
DON'T feed them.

[Ron]

On Sun, 23 May 2004 06:40:08 GMT, rockhound <user@null.org> wrote:
>>"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
>
>>So thanks, for the nothing that you offer here.
>
> I wanna retract, or modify the above statement. Can i do that on
> usenet, or is this a non-retracting group?

I will run my printout through the shredder if you send me $5.

--
AB5DB9CC

[John Droge]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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>
> "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> > Moon
> > As in step 4 is about dealing with resentments, fears, sexual
> conduct and as
> > far as I'm concerned any other little devils a person has dancing in
> their
> > head;
>
> John,
>
> Do you mean by "dealing with" nothing more than "identifying" ?
>
> <snip>
>

This is not a Webster's inventory, it is an AA inventory.


After completeing step 3
BB
pg 64 "...a fact finding and a fact facing..."
pg 64 "... discover the truth..."
pg 64 "...searched out the flaws in our make-up..."
pg 64 "...we asked ourselves..."
pg 65 " When we finished we considered it carefully"
pg 67 "...we resolutely looked for our own mistakes."
pg 69 " We reviewed our own conduct over the years past "
pg 70 "... listed and analyzed..."
pg 70 "... begun to comprehend..."
pg 72 "...have admitted to God, to ourselves..." step 4
I did my step 4 with the BB AND my Face to Face sponsor, and yeah IMO it is
"dealing with", not just balance sheet listing. That is also my distilation
of step 4 from AA meetings.



>
> Alternatively, they may think that
> what they're doing is OK because they don't see it as being caused by
> any character defect they've decided they have.
>

Well you've got me here and I've got to do something about it.
John

>
> JB
>

[JB]

"John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:c8n52l$c5p$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> > "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:FPCrc.4952$Tn6.1768@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> > > Moon
> > > As in step 4 is about dealing with resentments, fears, sexual
> > conduct and as
> > > far as I'm concerned any other little devils a person has
dancing in
> > their
> > > head;
> >
> > John,
> >
> > Do you mean by "dealing with" nothing more than "identifying" ?
> >
> > <snip>
> >
>
> This is not a Webster's inventory, it is an AA inventory.

I'm aware of that.

> After completeing step 3
> BB
> pg 64 "...a fact finding and a fact facing..."
> pg 64 "... discover the truth..."
> pg 64 "...searched out the flaws in our make-up..."
> pg 64 "...we asked ourselves..."
> pg 65 " When we finished we considered it carefully"
> pg 67 "...we resolutely looked for our own mistakes."
> pg 69 " We reviewed our own conduct over the years past "
> pg 70 "... listed and analyzed..."
> pg 70 "... begun to comprehend..."
> pg 72 "...have admitted to God, to ourselves..." step 4
> I did my step 4 with the BB AND my Face to Face sponsor, and yeah
IMO it is
> "dealing with", not just balance sheet listing. That is also my
distilation
> of step 4 from AA meetings.
>
OK. Having done a Step 4 inventory and maybe "swallowed and digested
some big chunks of truth about yourself" (Alcoholiics Anonymous, page
71) what do you do next ? It was thinking about the "what comes next
bit" (ie Steps, 5,6 and 7) that caused me
to think that Step 4 only requires those who work it to identify their
resentments.etc.

All the best

JB

[John Droge]

"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Sat, 22 May 2004 06:55:33 GMT, "John Droge"
> <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:93bf941b5f3213594f2c4e247d619acd@news.teranew s.com...
> >> On Fri, 21 May 2004 03:18:04 GMT, "John Droge"
> >> <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >Where'd you get step 4 from?
> >>
> >> The Big Book, (I gleaned a little help from the 12x12 when it came to
> >> some sexual and "social acceptance" stuff, but for the directions on
> >> *how* to do a 4th I used the BB). However, I needed some time and
> >> assistance to get my head around what the book was suggesting, not
> >> least because the example of part of Step 4 is incomplete.
> >>
> >> I spent some time exploring other options, including various 101
> >> questions-and-answers forms and the life-story that can be prevalent
> >> in treatment centers. But I don't regret adopting the Big Book method
> >> because of some of the subsequent Steps, whereas a life story would
> >> have achieved far less.
> >
> >As in step 4 is about dealing with resentments, fears, sexual conduct and
as
> >far as I'm concerned any other little devils a person has dancing in
their
> >head; not posting in a ng for the people you resent to read. You like
things
> >exact so maybe you couldn't get my liberal drift. Where in step 4 are you
> >advised to work your personal inventory in public?
>
> You're not. Did anyone suggest otherwise?
>

I felt you did in the part you cut out


"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On 19 May 2004 17:49:22 -0700, rett49@sbcglobal.net (rett) wrote:
>
> >My goodness...think you have some issues here?
> >You need help.
>
> Do you really think she'd be trying to work Step 4 if that wasn't the
> case?
>
> --
> Blue Moon

Moon
Where'd you get step 4 from?
I appreciate the step 1 work intending on going to a noon meeting.
John

***********************
Moon

You called the very first original post by rockhound "..trying to work step
4..." to me that implies you see some step 4 work being done in the original
post. I didn't and don't see were you even got step 4 existing in the
original post --ergo my "Where'd you get step 4 from?". I didn't and don't
see where you got any step 4 work in the original post. If you can see step
4 work being done in the very first original post I took it that you feel
step 4 at least in part can be done that way.

John


> >Let me rephrase my original.
> >Where'd you see any step 4 work being done?
>
> That's a completely different question to the one you asked.
>
> >Maybe it's the liberal in me again but a person venting their spleen AT
> >people is Anti 4. And so we do not go pass Go, we do not collect $200, we
go
> >back to step 3; if not further.
>
> Someone venting may be stuck in Step 1, or experiencing a failure to
> follow through with the decision of Step 3.
>
> However, someone working Step 4 should not be confused with someone
> who's experienced the emotional (/spiritual) benefits of the
> subsequent prescribed actions. Step 4 can bring out the worst in
> people, and that doesn't necessarily mean they're doing it "wrong" or
> not doing it at all.
>
> --
> Blue Moon

[John Droge]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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>
> "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> > news:c8n52l$c5p$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > >
> > > "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > > news:FPCrc.4952$Tn6.1768@newsread1.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> > > > Moon
> > > > As in step 4 is about dealing with resentments, fears, sexual
> > > conduct and as
> > > > far as I'm concerned any other little devils a person has
> dancing in
> > > their
> > > > head;
> > >
> > > John,
> > >
> > > Do you mean by "dealing with" nothing more than "identifying" ?
> > >
> > > <snip>
> > >
> >
> > This is not a Webster's inventory, it is an AA inventory.
>
> I'm aware of that.
>
> > After completeing step 3
> > BB
> > pg 64 "...a fact finding and a fact facing..."
> > pg 64 "... discover the truth..."
> > pg 64 "...searched out the flaws in our make-up..."
> > pg 64 "...we asked ourselves..."
> > pg 65 " When we finished we considered it carefully"
> > pg 67 "...we resolutely looked for our own mistakes."
> > pg 69 " We reviewed our own conduct over the years past "
> > pg 70 "... listed and analyzed..."
> > pg 70 "... begun to comprehend..."
> > pg 72 "...have admitted to God, to ourselves..." step 4
> > I did my step 4 with the BB AND my Face to Face sponsor, and yeah
> IMO it is
> > "dealing with", not just balance sheet listing. That is also my
> distilation
> > of step 4 from AA meetings.
> >
> OK. Having done a Step 4 inventory and maybe "swallowed and digested
> some big chunks of truth about yourself" (Alcoholiics Anonymous, page
> 71) what do you do next ? It was thinking about the "what comes next
> bit" (ie Steps, 5,6 and 7) that caused me
> to think that Step 4 only requires those who work it to identify their
> resentments.etc.
>
> All the best
>
> JB
>
>
JB
Well I was trying to give some specifics that show step 4, I feel, is a lot
more then "...only...identify..." and the "etc." you mention is quite
involved. I had used the words "dealing with" to mean the same as the
concept of to "process" that is currently in vogue with treatment providers
here in the US.
I believe you have to do a lot of dealing with or processing, if you will,
those things you write down in step 4 before you go on to 5, 6, and 7.
Again this is what I've learned from the BB, my Face to Face sponsor and my
distillation from meetings.
I know I am again redundant but that "only" gets to me. It makes me feel
that you minimize step 4. The BB spends quite a bit of time on step 4, less
on step 5 and 6,7 as a couplet if you will. You don't get the "what comes
next bit" without step 4 , but with it and with step 3 you do.
John

[JB]

"John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> JB
> Well I was trying to give some specifics that show step 4, I feel,
is a lot
> more then "...only...identify..." and the "etc." you mention is
quite
> involved. I had used the words "dealing with" to mean the same as
the
> concept of to "process" that is currently in vogue with treatment
providers
> here in the US.

Thank you for explaining what you mean by "dealing with". I think
that when misunderstandings between people arise it's sometimes
because they interpret a word in different ways.

>I believe you have to do a lot of dealing with or processing, if you
will,
> those things you write down in step 4 before you go on to 5, 6, and
7.
> Again this is what I've learned from the BB, my Face to Face sponsor
and my
> distillation from meetings.

OK.

> I know I am again redundant but that "only" gets to me.

I do not understand what you mean by this. We are exchanging views
and maybe as a result of this,we will benefit from it. Maybe, that
benefit will simply be that we decide to respect each other's point of
view.

>It makes me feel
> that you minimize step 4.

I do not. I found writing my inventory to be a difficult thing to do.
I did not find it always easy to identify what part of self was
adversely affected by the resentment I had. Furthermore, I sometimes
did not find it easy to determine whether or not I had done anything
to cause the resentment. At times I found the results of my efforts
to be honest with myself about myself caused me deep emotional pain.
As a result of what I wrote about myself, I decided that I disliked
myself even more than I had before; that I had so many character
defects that there was no way they could all be removed and that
because of who I perceived myself to be it was unlikely that anyone
would consider me likeable. A few times, I wondered whether there
was any point in living.

While writing my inventory - between December 2003 and February 2004.
my spirits sometimes got so low on account of how I was feeling about
myself, and these low moods put strain on the relationship between my
husband and I, that I thought it would be easier to quit AA's recovery
programme. I am glad I did not.

>The BB spends quite a bit of time on step 4, less
> on step 5 and 6,7 as a couplet if you will. You don't get the "what
comes
> next bit" without step 4 , but with it and with step 3 you do.
> John

Are you saying that you do not think that Steps 5, 6 and 7 are as
important as Step 4 ? Whatever your view, would you like to share
your reasons for holding it ?

All the best

JB

>
>
>

[Blue Moon]

On Mon, 24 May 2004 21:08:17 GMT, "John Droge"
<jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:

>You called the very first original post by rockhound "..trying to work step
>4..." to me that implies you see some step 4 work being done in the original
>post.

The original post (or one around the same time) referred to being
unable to identify one's own action that could subsequently give rise
to the resentment. In my experience, very few alcoholics who are not
trying to work Step 4 (at least in theory, if not in practice) ask
themselves such a question. Hence, the notion of working a 4th Step
is at least in the psyche of the poster, even if not being put into
practice.

That said, a theoretical Step 4 is worse than useless. I'm not aware
of anyone who succeeded with AA's Steps without doing a written 4th
Step.

--
Blue Moon

[Robert McGregor]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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I found writing my inventory to be a difficult thing to do.
> I did not find it always easy to identify what part of
self was
> adversely affected by the resentment I had. Furthermore,
I sometimes
> did not find it easy to determine whether or not I had
done anything
> to cause the resentment. At times I found the results of
my efforts
> to be honest with myself about myself caused me deep
emotional pain.
> As a result of what I wrote about myself, I decided that I
disliked
> myself even more than I had before; that I had so many
character
> defects that there was no way they could all be removed
and that
> because of who I perceived myself to be it was unlikely
that anyone
> would consider me likeable. A few times, I wondered
whether there
> was any point in living.
>
> While writing my inventory - between December 2003 and
February 2004.
> my spirits sometimes got so low on account of how I was
feeling about
> myself, and these low moods put strain on the relationship
between my
> husband and I, that I thought it would be easier to quit
AA's recovery
> programme. I am glad I did not.
>

Would you say your low spirited inventory, taken instead of
the AA sequential step four, was not a demonstration of self
will run riot?

Bob

[rockhound]

On Mon, 24 May 2004 19:24:49 GMT, "John Droge"
<jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:


>After completeing step 3
>BB
>pg 64 "...a fact finding and a fact facing..."
>pg 64 "... discover the truth..."
>pg 64 "...searched out the flaws in our make-up..."
>pg 64 "...we asked ourselves..."
>pg 65 " When we finished we considered it carefully"
>pg 67 "...we resolutely looked for our own mistakes."
>pg 69 " We reviewed our own conduct over the years past "
>pg 70 "... listed and analyzed..."
>pg 70 "... begun to comprehend..."
>pg 72 "...have admitted to God, to ourselves..." step 4
> I did my step 4 with the BB AND my Face to Face sponsor, and yeah IMO it is
>"dealing with", not just balance sheet listing. That is also my distilation
>of step 4 from AA meetings.

Hey that was well done.

I had a mini '12 step process' visited upon me, that i had no hand in
whatsoever, wherein my mind did some flip-flops of its own accord, and
adjustments were made that i have not been able to measure. This took
all of maybe 30 seconds, and i'm still playing catch-up with it.

It amounted, close as i can figure it, to the grace to deeply
comprehend the meaning of the term 'genuine regret for harms done', a
very new beast to me.

But what the day will weave, the night will unravel, and so, i hope
having learned the history 101 lesson of mistakenly thinking 'i've
arrived', i am opting to do my best to make sure every stone is in
place, before jumping the gun this round. I have no choice but to use
AA literature as a guide, since it parallels my own private experience
so closely.

Before i go on with confessions and restitutions, i want to be sure
that i know what i'm confessing to, not like when we were sat by turns
in the booth in elementary school with some guy in a dress, and the
big desperation was making up something to say in time.

I appreciate the simplicity of the distillation of spirits above.

If you don't like the way i'm 'working my program', stick it. I don't
give a hoot. Your self-claimed superior intellect is not an example
of an example, to me. I don't think you grasp where you got your
understanding. I think you think you came up with it yourself, fool.

I'd add you to my shitlist if you didn't make me laugh so hard.

-----
Born again, back as myself.

[rockhound]

On Tue, 25 May 2004 01:18:04 +0100, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote:

>to be honest with myself about myself caused me deep emotional pain.

'The emotions of years standing break through their confines...'


sorry i forget the rest


>As a result of what I wrote about myself, I decided that I disliked
>myself even more than I had before; that I had so many character
>defects that there was no way they could all be removed and that
>because of who I perceived myself to be it was unlikely that anyone
>would consider me likeable. A few times, I wondered whether there
>was any point in living.

I like you, but i wish you were more bitchy. How many downs,
depressions and flatlines of varying degrees have we all had put
together, i wonder, and why should rosie think hers is so different?

>While writing my inventory - between December 2003 and February 2004.
>my spirits sometimes got so low on account of how I was feeling about
>myself, and these low moods put strain on the relationship between my
>husband and I, that I thought it would be easier to quit AA's recovery
>programme. I am glad I did not.

'self-pity oozing out of every pore, inflicting this on those around
us...'


forget the rest...

[JB]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:c8u2nv$s6s$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...

> > While writing my inventory - between December 2003 and
> February 2004.
> > my spirits sometimes got so low on account of how I was
> feeling about
> > myself, and these low moods put strain on the relationship
> between my
> > husband and I, that I thought it would be easier to quit
> AA's recovery
> > programme. I am glad I did not.
> >
>
> Would you say your low spirited inventory, taken instead of
> the AA sequential step four, was not a demonstration of self
> will run riot?
>
> Bob
>
Bob,

Maybe how I did my Step 4 is not how you did yours. What does it
matter how I did it provided that the work I did left me convinced
that I had gained benefit from doing it. Also, what does it matter how
I did it so long as my labour produced in mine and my Sponsor's
opinions info that I could put to good use at Steps 5, 6 and 7.

Maybe you'll have the last word.

JB

[JB]

"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 25 May 2004 01:18:04 +0100, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com>
wrote:
>
> >to be honest with myself about myself caused me deep emotional
pain.
>
> 'The emotions of years standing break through their confines...'
>
>
> sorry i forget the rest
>
>
> >As a result of what I wrote about myself, I decided that I disliked
> >myself even more than I had before; that I had so many character
> >defects that there was no way they could all be removed and that
> >because of who I perceived myself to be it was unlikely that
anyone
> >would consider me likeable. A few times, I wondered whether there
> >was any point in living.
>
> I like you, but i wish you were more bitchy.

I sometimes wish I had a great intellect, the ability to make lots of
people laugh; never felt guilt and never let people bug me.

I've no belief that these wishes will come true.

JB


many downs,
> depressions and flatlines of varying degrees have we all had put
> together, i wonder, and why should rosie think hers is so different?
>
> >While writing my inventory - between December 2003 and February
2004.
> >my spirits sometimes got so low on account of how I was feeling
about
> >myself, and these low moods put strain on the relationship between
my
> >husband and I, that I thought it would be easier to quit AA's
recovery
> >programme. I am glad I did not.
>
> 'self-pity oozing out of every pore, inflicting this on those around
> us...'
>
>
> forget the rest...
>

[Robert McGregor]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
message
> news:2hfqlsFcistpU1@uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> > news:c8u2nv$s6s$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> > > While writing my inventory - between December 2003 and
> > February 2004.
> > > my spirits sometimes got so low on account of how I
was
> > feeling about
> > > myself, and these low moods put strain on the
relationship
> > between my
> > > husband and I, that I thought it would be easier to
quit
> > AA's recovery
> > > programme. I am glad I did not.
> > >
> >
> > Would you say your low spirited inventory, taken instead
of
> > the AA sequential step four, was not a demonstration of
self
> > will run riot?
> >
> > Bob
> >
> Bob,
>
> Maybe how I did my Step 4 is not how you did yours.

Different steps, JB. I took the ones AA documented, they're
sequential.

>What does it
> matter how I did it provided that the work I did left me
convinced
> that I had gained benefit from doing it. Also, what does
it matter how
> I did it so long as my labour produced in mine and my
Sponsor's
> opinions info that I could put to good use at Steps 5, 6
and 7.
>
> Maybe you'll have the last word.
>
> JB
>

You remain convinced. Wow!

For a long time, I remained convinced I gained benefit from
smoking, drinking, fornication, with an adultery and crime
chaser too. Must admit though, some conviction was correct,
but I was only ever convicted twice:-)

Good luck, whatever.

Bob

[JB]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:c8uscu$ha3$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > Maybe how I did my Step 4 is not how you did yours.
>
> Different steps, JB. I took the ones AA documented, they're
> sequential.

Therefore, did you not do any Step 9 work for example until you had
done Steps 1 - 8 ? Have you never re-taken any Steps ? Does the
wording of Steps 8, 9,10 and 11 suggest to you that these Steps should
be taken more than once ? Maybe, Steps 10 and 11 should be taken
every day ?

JB

[rosie]

: That said, a theoretical Step 4 is worse than useless. I'm not
aware
: of anyone who succeeded with AA's Steps without doing a written
4th
: Step.
:
: --
: Blue Moon

the more you post, the more firmly believe you must live in a
vacuum!
i am aware of folks who have succeeded with a WRITTEN fourth!

next are you going to proclaim how many sheets of paper MUST BE USED
for this written fourth? double spaced?

LOL!

[rockhound]

On Tue, 25 May 2004 08:48:04 +0100, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote:

>I sometimes wish I had a great intellect, the ability to make lots of
>people laugh; never felt guilt and never let people bug me.
>
>I've no belief that these wishes will come true.

Oh quit taking yourself so damn seriously. You *do* ooze self-pity.

You have repeatedly brought a smile to my face here, and helped me to
be at ease with myself.

You know, i'm almost starting to enjoy the fact that i'm a proud,
obstinate, self-righteous, power-driving, mean, egotistical scourge on
society. Don't feel quiet as terminally unique anymore. Actually
starting to enjoy returning daily to this unflattering point of
departure wherefrom i might daydream about becoming a more decent
human being. Besides, i think it makes for a fairer fight with folks
like government flunkies that won't hire a kid to cut their lawn
unless he has a university degree in horticulture, or guys that have
their own ass looked after, so to hell with anybody else...et al.

JB - i was wondering - have you any idea the unique situation you're
in, whereby you could for example take up belly dancing, or something,
that your husband could actually enjoy your company for a change,
while you could still remain a virgin?

[rosie]

: "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
: news:c8u2nv$s6s$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
: I found writing my inventory to be a difficult thing to do.

being rigurously honest is a NEW concept for most new recovering
alcoholics and over the years MOST of my sponsee's had difficulty,
especially getting started, and sometimes the BIG BOOK inventory
GUIDE is too confusing.



: At times I found the results of
: my efforts
: > to be honest with myself about myself caused me deep
: emotional pain.


imo, this is where a sponsor steps in, to be sure that you are doing
yourself no emotional harm. we did not get sober to suffer more.
i KNOW that some will consider this heresy, but i believe it and
promote that we "go gently with ourselves".



: > As a result of what I wrote about myself, I decided that I
: disliked
: > myself even more than I had before;

:(
again, this is where regular communication with a sponsor (regarding
the progress of a fourth step) can be quite helpful.



that I had so many
: character
: > defects that there was no way they could all be removed
:

i would refer my sponsee back to the SECOND STEP for a quick
refresher!








: > because of who I perceived myself to be it was unlikely
: that anyone
: > would consider me likeable.


SECOND STEP review.





: A few times, I wondered
: whether there
: > was any point in living.

:(
did you share that with your sponsor?




: >
: > While writing my inventory - between December 2003 and
: February 2004.
: > my spirits sometimes got so low on account of how I was
: feeling about
: > myself, and these low moods put strain on the relationship
: between my
: > husband and I, that I thought it would be easier to quit
: AA's recovery
: > programme. I am glad I did not.
: >
:

2-3 months of hell?
i would have been in "low moods" also.

just some thoughts!

[rosie]

:
: "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
: news:2hgcqsFc0aicU1@uni-berlin.de...
: >
: >
: > Different steps, JB. I took the ones AA documented, they're
: > sequential.
:


: Therefore, did you not do any Step 9 work for example until you
had
: done Steps 1 - 8 ?

that is what is recommended in the BIG BOOK.
that is how i was guided through the 12 STEPS also.

[rosie]

: I like you, but i wish you were more bitchy. How many downs,
: depressions and flatlines of varying degrees have we all had put
: together, i wonder, and why should rosie think hers is so
different?
:
:

i DON'T think that my " new to recovery downs and depressions" were
so different................i DID have the TYPICAL AND COMMON
alcoholic "downs and depressions" which lifted as i was guided by my
sponsor, through THE STEPS and started doing lots of SERVICE WORK.

the other depression that i am often "put down" about in here, is my
mental illness of chronic depression, which is a disease unto
itself, and in my case, must be treated.

[rosie]

"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
:
: You know, i'm almost starting to enjoy the fact that i'm a proud,
: obstinate, self-righteous, power-driving, mean, egotistical
scourge on
: society.

you SHOULD be proud!
( the mean and egotistical can be replaced with just a GREAT SOURCE
of pride)




Don't feel quiet as terminally unique anymore.


:)
that is such A GOOD THING!

[JB]

"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
news:9dba8d5a2d3ca08d22d248bab696cb1f@news.teranew s.com...
> On Tue, 25 May 2004 08:48:04 +0100, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com>
wrote:
>
> >I sometimes wish I had a great intellect, the ability to make lots
of
> >people laugh; never felt guilt and never let people bug me.
> >
> >I've no belief that these wishes will come true.
>
> Oh quit taking yourself so damn seriously. You *do* ooze self-pity.

LOL over the fact that you thought I was being serious.

JB

>"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
news:4e42599d27a6eb5baef7c449e4ee0a46@news.teranew s.com...

>"I like you, but i wish you were more bitchy.

[rockhound]

On Tue, 25 May 2004 13:52:19 GMT, rockhound <user@null.org> wrote:

> Besides, i think it makes for a fairer fight with folks
>like government flunkies that won't hire a kid to cut their lawn
>unless he has a university degree in horticulture, or guys that have
>their own ass looked after, so to hell with anybody else...et al.

forgot to mention the fine upstanding taxpaying neighbors that shut
down a little girl's lemonade stand until she could get FDA approval.

Fuck the American Dream. Yech. Can't wait to get the hell outta
here.

And i plan on taking a whack at every one of those stupid cows on my
way out, too. There's a good reason why healthy young boys love to
herd 'em into the electric fence.


God save me from being angry...
<snip turbulence>
....and the power to carry it out.

[rockhound]

On Tue, 25 May 2004 14:14:36 GMT, "rosie"
<readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:

>
>
>: I like you, but i wish you were more bitchy. How many downs,
>: depressions and flatlines of varying degrees have we all had put
>: together, i wonder, and why should rosie think hers is so
>different?
>:
>:
>
>i DON'T think that my " new to recovery downs and depressions" were
>so different................i DID have the TYPICAL AND COMMON
>alcoholic "downs and depressions" which lifted as i was guided by my
>sponsor, through THE STEPS and started doing lots of SERVICE WORK.
>
>the other depression that i am often "put down" about in here, is my
>mental illness of chronic depression, which is a disease unto
>itself, and in my case, must be treated.


Describe it, please? In painstaking detail.

The kids in my neighborhood are having as much trouble distinguishing
young cottonmouths from harmless water snakes, as the banks are lined
with *something* we know not what.

(sorry, ron, gave away my bbs)

[rockhound]

On Tue, 25 May 2004 16:29:56 +0100, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote:

>
>"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
>news:9dba8d5a2d3ca08d22d248bab696cb1f@news.teranew s.com...
>> On Tue, 25 May 2004 08:48:04 +0100, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com>
>wrote:
>>
>> >I sometimes wish I had a great intellect, the ability to make lots
>of
>> >people laugh; never felt guilt and never let people bug me.
>> >
>> >I've no belief that these wishes will come true.
>>
>> Oh quit taking yourself so damn seriously. You *do* ooze self-pity.
>
>LOL over the fact that you thought I was being serious.
>
>JB

Haha you got me again! :)

[Robert McGregor]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:c8v7qc$947$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
message
> news:2hgcqsFc0aicU1@uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> > news:c8uscu$ha3$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > Maybe how I did my Step 4 is not how you did yours.
> >
> > Different steps, JB. I took the ones AA documented,
they're
> > sequential.
>
> Therefore, did you not do any Step 9 work for example
until you had
> done Steps 1 - 8 ?

With my sponsor's (Like Bill Wilson, who is on record as not
taking the steps at all thoroughly himself) emphatic
approval, I made a very immature and premature attempt at
amends for a tragedy. "Amends" as absurd as mine could have
easily caused more tragedy. Fortunately, the letter
containing those so called"amends"never arrived, or, at
least, receipt of that letter was denied. Then at sequential
step nine, making those amends face to face, in a profoundly
more mature and effective manner, I *shared* in a wonderful
liberating experience, for each of us.

>Have you never re-taken any Steps ?

I'm on record right here as having gone up and down those
bloody steps like a yoyo. http://tinyurl.com/2doza

>Does the
> wording of Steps 8, 9,10 and 11 suggest to you that these
Steps should
> be taken more than once?

The wording of the steps says what the wording says.

>Maybe, Steps 10 and 11 should be taken every day ?

Many major delays to my recovery occured precisely because
of imagining I could and should read between the lines.
Adieu to "keep it simple" that's for sure an certain!

I found that while steps ten and eleven can eventually
become more like second nature than an accomplished task,
they can easily fade into oblivian too.

For me, it's always a question of balance..

Bob

[rockhound]

On Wed, 26 May 2004 02:09:00 +1000, "Robert McGregor"
<robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>
>"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
>news:c8v7qc$947$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>
>> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
>message
>> news:2hgcqsFc0aicU1@uni-berlin.de...
>> >
>> > "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
>> > news:c8uscu$ha3$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
>> > > Maybe how I did my Step 4 is not how you did yours.
>> >
>> > Different steps, JB. I took the ones AA documented,
>they're
>> > sequential.
>>
>> Therefore, did you not do any Step 9 work for example
>until you had
>> done Steps 1 - 8 ?
>
>With my sponsor's (Like Bill Wilson, who is on record as not
>taking the steps at all thoroughly himself) emphatic
>approval, I made a very immature and premature attempt at
>amends for a tragedy. "Amends" as absurd as mine could have
>easily caused more tragedy. Fortunately, the letter
>containing those so called"amends"never arrived, or, at
>least, receipt of that letter was denied. Then at sequential
>step nine, making those amends face to face, in a profoundly
>more mature and effective manner, I *shared* in a wonderful
>liberating experience, for each of us.
>
>>Have you never re-taken any Steps ?
>
>I'm on record right here as having gone up and down those
>bloody steps like a yoyo. http://tinyurl.com/2doza
>
>>Does the
>> wording of Steps 8, 9,10 and 11 suggest to you that these
>Steps should
>> be taken more than once?
>
>The wording of the steps says what the wording says.
>
>>Maybe, Steps 10 and 11 should be taken every day ?
>
>Many major delays to my recovery occured precisely because
>of imagining I could and should read between the lines.
>Adieu to "keep it simple" that's for sure an certain!
>
>I found that while steps ten and eleven can eventually
>become more like second nature than an accomplished task,
>they can easily fade into oblivian too.
>
>For me, it's always a question of balance..
>
>Bob

I like to think the best way to relate ourselves to the principles
for recovery is in our own individual ways, however i also assume that
quality guidance and reassurance comes in the way of Adjectives and
Adverbs.

Now back to the unflattering point of departure...most things i don't
do anything about until they bring me enough immediate discomfort.
Not till i'm about to implode or explode with impatience do i attempt
to learn anything about patience, etc. And the only thing that keeps
me out of a hell of a lot of trouble is *not* good character or
'spiritual progress' at all - i just don't wanna go to jail.

I think it's because we can't remember pain. Thus all our resolutions
never to drink again...

dunno tho...will stay tuned...

[rosie]

:
: I think it's because we can't remember pain. Thus all our
resolutions
: never to drink again...

that is why working with newbies and attending FIRST STEP meetings
is so important to me.
it reminds me everyday, of where i came from!
rosie

[John Droge]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:c8u2nv$s6s$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:3Eusc.8826$be.4124@newsread2.news.pas.earthli nk.net...
> > JB
> > Well I was trying to give some specifics that show step 4, I feel,
> is a lot
> > more then "...only...identify..." and the "etc." you mention is
> quite
> > involved. I had used the words "dealing with" to mean the same as
> the
> > concept of to "process" that is currently in vogue with treatment
> providers
> > here in the US.
>
> Thank you for explaining what you mean by "dealing with". I think
> that when misunderstandings between people arise it's sometimes
> because they interpret a word in different ways.
>
> >I believe you have to do a lot of dealing with or processing, if you
> will,
> > those things you write down in step 4 before you go on to 5, 6, and
> 7.
> > Again this is what I've learned from the BB, my Face to Face sponsor
> and my
> > distillation from meetings.
>
> OK.
>
> > I know I am again redundant but that "only" gets to me.
>
> I do not understand what you mean by this. We are exchanging views
> and maybe as a result of this,we will benefit from it. Maybe, that
> benefit will simply be that we decide to respect each other's point of
> view.
>
> >It makes me feel
> > that you minimize step 4.

And I obviously was very wrong in my feeling


>
> I do not. I found writing my inventory to be a difficult thing to do.
> I did not find it always easy to identify what part of self was
> adversely affected by the resentment I had. Furthermore, I sometimes
> did not find it easy to determine whether or not I had done anything
> to cause the resentment. At times I found the results of my efforts
> to be honest with myself about myself caused me deep emotional pain.
> As a result of what I wrote about myself, I decided that I disliked
> myself even more than I had before; that I had so many character
> defects that there was no way they could all be removed and that
> because of who I perceived myself to be it was unlikely that anyone
> would consider me likeable. A few times, I wondered whether there
> was any point in living.
>
> While writing my inventory - between December 2003 and February 2004.
> my spirits sometimes got so low on account of how I was feeling about
> myself, and these low moods put strain on the relationship between my
> husband and I, that I thought it would be easier to quit AA's recovery
> programme. I am glad I did not.
>
I'm also very glad you did not. I'm glad you and your husband road it out,
if you had left AA and your quest for sobriety at that point---well most
possibilities don't lead to happy outcomes.
I also spent a long time on 4, it was not a pleasant meal, but a necessary
one.
A cartoonist in the US, I think the late 50's early 60's, once said through
his character Pogo (a possum) "We have met the enemy; and he is us"

> >The BB spends quite a bit of time on step 4, less
> > on step 5 and 6,7 as a couplet if you will. You don't get the "what
> comes
> > next bit" without step 4 , but with it and with step 3 you do.
> > John
>
> Are you saying that you do not think that Steps 5, 6 and 7 are as
> important as Step 4 ? Whatever your view, would you like to share
> your reasons for holding it ?
>
> All the best
>
> JB
>
Thoughts on steps 5,6 and 7
the doom of having to repeat history because we didn't learn from it has
been lifted--no longer under the control of the past--taken action on the
promise in 3?--that rock you've been rolling up that hill over and over has
been broken into a bunch of pebbles and you don't care about that stinkin'
hill anymore--coming into a fit spiritual condition --feel God's Grace;
God's willing ness to forgive us whether the hell we deserve it or not--
release from the wreckage of the past and putting it in it's proper place-
Like REM sang "It's the end of the World as we knew it. And I feel FINE!!"
my change of tense.
John

[Robert McGregor]

John Droge wrote:
>>
> Thoughts on steps 5,6 and 7
> the doom of having to repeat history because we didn't
learn from it
> has been lifted--no longer under the control of the
past--taken
> action on the promise in 3?--that rock you've been rolling
up that
> hill over and over has been broken into a bunch of pebbles
and you
> don't care about that stinkin' hill anymore--coming into a
fit
> spiritual condition --feel God's Grace; God's willing ness
to forgive
> us whether the hell we deserve it or not-- release from
the wreckage
> of the past and putting it in it's proper place- Like REM
sang "It's
> the end of the World as we knew it. And I feel FINE!!" my
change of
> tense. John

Wow!

*All that* before steps 8 and 9. Have you informed AA how
wrong they have been over the past half century?

http://tinyurl.com/2xmrx

Bob

[JB]

"John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:4l8tc.12515$be.5823@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...

> Thoughts on steps 5,6 and 7
> the doom of having to repeat history because we didn't learn from it
has
> been lifted--no longer under the control of the past--taken action
on the
> promise in 3?--that rock you've been rolling up that hill over and
over has
> been broken into a bunch of pebbles and you don't care about that
stinkin'
> hill anymore--coming into a fit spiritual condition --feel God's
Grace;
> God's willing ness to forgive us whether the hell we deserve it or
not--
> release from the wreckage of the past and putting it in it's proper
place-
> Like REM sang "It's the end of the World as we knew it. And I feel
FINE!!"
> my change of tense.
> John
>
OK. My thoughts on Steps 6 and 7.

Having identified my character defects/liabilities, decide which ones
cause me harm. When they're on display and causing me harm, shut them
down. If I've time to think about how to act, choose whether or not
to display a character defect/liabilities. If I make a conscious
effort to control my character defects/liabilities, over time maybe
some of them will appear less frequently than now and perhaps even
disappear. At that point maybe I could think that my God had removed
those defects/liabilities.

JB

[rockhound]

On Wed, 26 May 2004 23:48:21 +0100, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote:

>
>"John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>news:4l8tc.12515$be.5823@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>
>> Thoughts on steps 5,6 and 7
>> the doom of having to repeat history because we didn't learn from it
>has
>> been lifted--no longer under the control of the past--taken action
>on the
>> promise in 3?--that rock you've been rolling up that hill over and
>over has
>> been broken into a bunch of pebbles and you don't care about that
>stinkin'
>> hill anymore--coming into a fit spiritual condition --feel God's
>Grace;
>> God's willing ness to forgive us whether the hell we deserve it or
>not--
>> release from the wreckage of the past and putting it in it's proper
>place-
>> Like REM sang "It's the end of the World as we knew it. And I feel
>FINE!!"
>> my change of tense.
>> John
>>
>OK. My thoughts on Steps 6 and 7.
>
>Having identified my character defects/liabilities, decide which ones
>cause me harm. When they're on display and causing me harm, shut them
>down. If I've time to think about how to act, choose whether or not
>to display a character defect/liabilities. If I make a conscious
>effort to control my character defects/liabilities, over time maybe
>some of them will appear less frequently than now and perhaps even
>disappear. At that point maybe I could think that my God had removed
>those defects/liabilities.
>
>JB

Sounds like an interesting theory. How well does it actually work?

[Robert McGregor]

JB wrote:
> OK. My thoughts on Steps 6 and 7.
>
> Having identified my character defects/liabilities, decide
which ones
> cause me harm.

Whoooopie.
Character defects/liabilities that are, if not a decided
asset, at least self harm neutral.

What a concept:, I would have bought that one, rather than
agonising over the prospective loss of defects I merely
treasured;-)

Bob

[rockhound]

screw step 5 - nobody ever believes me anyway.


On Tue, 25 May 2004 13:52:19 GMT, rockhound <user@null.org> wrote:

>On Tue, 25 May 2004 08:48:04 +0100, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote:
>
>>I sometimes wish I had a great intellect, the ability to make lots of
>>people laugh; never felt guilt and never let people bug me.
>>
>>I've no belief that these wishes will come true.
>
>Oh quit taking yourself so damn seriously. You *do* ooze self-pity.
>
>You have repeatedly brought a smile to my face here, and helped me to
>be at ease with myself.
>
>You know, i'm almost starting to enjoy the fact that i'm a proud,
>obstinate, self-righteous, power-driving, mean, egotistical scourge on
>society. Don't feel quiet as terminally unique anymore. Actually
>starting to enjoy returning daily to this unflattering point of
>departure wherefrom i might daydream about becoming a more decent
>human being. Besides, i think it makes for a fairer fight with folks
>like government flunkies that won't hire a kid to cut their lawn
>unless he has a university degree in horticulture, or guys that have
>their own ass looked after, so to hell with anybody else...et al.
>
>JB - i was wondering - have you any idea the unique situation you're
>in, whereby you could for example take up belly dancing, or something,
>that your husband could actually enjoy your company for a change,
>while you could still remain a virgin?

[rockhound]

rockhound <user@null.org>:

takes self too damn seriously
does ooze self-pity, on occasion
proud, obstinate, self-righteous, power-driving, mean, egotistical
scourge on society, in a limited sort of way
pathological liar
freaking lazy
thief-of-all-trades
seeker of sympathy and attention
overvalues self
doesn't really give a shit about anybody but herself
slightly unkempt
mostly, just likes to blow smoke
phony and insincere (sp?)
poor judge of character
poor judge of self
difficulty seeing other side of argument
attacks those weaker than self
judgemental
mental
not a hard worker by any stretch of the imagination
not really greedy, just doesn't like to share anything




anybody able to pitch in here?
gonna go put my shades on and get some fresh air
....almost starting to actually like myself :)

[Gail]

"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
news:ba7a5768e4facea6482e853701c14777@news.teranew s.com...
> rockhound <user@null.org>:
>
> takes self too damn seriously
> does ooze self-pity, on occasion
> proud, obstinate, self-righteous, power-driving, mean, egotistical
> scourge on society, in a limited sort of way
> pathological liar
> freaking lazy
> thief-of-all-trades
> seeker of sympathy and attention
> overvalues self
> doesn't really give a shit about anybody but herself
> slightly unkempt
> mostly, just likes to blow smoke
> phony and insincere (sp?)
> poor judge of character
> poor judge of self
> difficulty seeing other side of argument
> attacks those weaker than self
> judgemental
> mental
> not a hard worker by any stretch of the imagination
> not really greedy, just doesn't like to share anything
>
>
>
>
> anybody able to pitch in here?
> gonna go put my shades on and get some fresh air
> ...almost starting to actually like myself :)

LMAO! Shit, I like you better every day!
Gail

[John Droge]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:c9366p$lua$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:4l8tc.12515$be.5823@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>
> > Thoughts on steps 5,6 and 7
> > the doom of having to repeat history because we didn't learn from it
> has
> > been lifted--no longer under the control of the past--taken action
> on the
> > promise in 3?--that rock you've been rolling up that hill over and
> over has
> > been broken into a bunch of pebbles and you don't care about that
> stinkin'
> > hill anymore--coming into a fit spiritual condition --feel God's
> Grace;
> > God's willing ness to forgive us whether the hell we deserve it or
> not--
> > release from the wreckage of the past and putting it in it's proper
> place-
> > Like REM sang "It's the end of the World as we knew it. And I feel
> FINE!!"
> > my change of tense.
> > John
> >
> OK. My thoughts on Steps 6 and 7.
>
> Having identified my character defects/liabilities, decide which ones
> cause me harm. When they're on display and causing me harm, shut them
> down. If I've time to think about how to act, choose whether or not
> to display a character defect/liabilities. If I make a conscious
> effort to control my character defects/liabilities, over time maybe
> some of them will appear less frequently than now and perhaps even
> disappear. At that point maybe I could think that my God had removed
> those defects/liabilities.
>
> JB
>
JB
How well has this approach been working for you? Do you feel at peace with
your sobriety?
John

[rockhound]

>rockhound <user@null.org>:
>
>takes self too damn seriously
>does ooze self-pity, on occasion
>proud, obstinate, self-righteous, power-driving, mean, egotistical
>scourge on society, in a limited sort of way
>pathological liar
>freaking lazy
>thief-of-all-trades
>seeker of sympathy and attention
>overvalues self
>doesn't really give a shit about anybody but herself
>slightly unkempt
>mostly, just likes to blow smoke
>phony and insincere (sp?)
>poor judge of character
>poor judge of self
>difficulty seeing other side of argument
>attacks those weaker than self
>judgemental
>mental
>not a hard worker by any stretch of the imagination
>not really greedy, just doesn't like to share anything
naive
gets mad at the drop of a hat
gives unqualified advice
pretty sure she knows best



>anybody able to pitch in here?
>gonna go put my shades on and get some fresh air
>...almost starting to actually like myself :)

[JB]

"John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:Hjqtc.12816$Tn6.4368@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
>
> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:c9366p$lua$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> > "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:4l8tc.12515$be.5823@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >
> > > Thoughts on steps 5,6 and 7
> > > the doom of having to repeat history because we didn't learn
from it
> > has
> > > been lifted--no longer under the control of the past--taken
action
> > on the
> > > promise in 3?--that rock you've been rolling up that hill over
and
> > over has
> > > been broken into a bunch of pebbles and you don't care about
that
> > stinkin'
> > > hill anymore--coming into a fit spiritual condition --feel God's
> > Grace;
> > > God's willing ness to forgive us whether the hell we deserve it
or
> > not--
> > > release from the wreckage of the past and putting it in it's
proper
> > place-
> > > Like REM sang "It's the end of the World as we knew it. And I
feel
> > FINE!!"
> > > my change of tense.
> > > John
> > >
> > OK. My thoughts on Steps 6 and 7.
> >
> > Having identified my character defects/liabilities, decide which
ones
> > cause me harm. When they're on display and causing me harm, shut
them
> > down. If I've time to think about how to act, choose whether or
not
> > to display a character defect/liabilities. If I make a conscious
> > effort to control my character defects/liabilities, over time
maybe
> > some of them will appear less frequently than now and perhaps even
> > disappear. At that point maybe I could think that my God had
removed
> > those defects/liabilities.
> >
> > JB
> >
> JB
> How well has this approach been working for you?

It works if I work it

>Do you feel at peace with
> your sobriety?
> John

If by this you mean: "are you content to not drink ?", the answer is
"almost all the time".

If by this you mean: "does nothing ever bug you ? ", the answer is
"no".

If by this you mean: "do you never lose your cool" ?, the answer is
"no".

If by this you mean: "are you free of your character defects", the
answer is "no".

If by this you mean: "do you think you are learning how it is possible
for you to cope in this world better than you have in the past ?" the
answer is "yes".

If by this you mean: "Are you coping better with life than you did in
the past ?" the answer is "Yes - but only when I'm putting onto
practices lessons I've learnt in AA."

If I've given inappropriate answers to your question, maybe if you
explain what you mean by being at "peace in sobriety, I'll give
thought to coming back.

JB

[Blue Moon]

On Tue, 25 May 2004 12:52:55 GMT, "rosie"
<readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:

>: That said, a theoretical Step 4 is worse than useless. I'm not
>aware
>: of anyone who succeeded with AA's Steps without doing a written
>4th
>: Step.
>
>the more you post, the more firmly believe you must live in a
>vacuum!

The more you post, the less I care about your opinions.

>i am aware of folks who have succeeded with a WRITTEN fourth!

So am I, which confirms what I wrote.

>next are you going to proclaim how many sheets of paper MUST BE USED
>for this written fourth? double spaced?

Really? Okay, here's my answer:

It doesn't matter how many sheets of paper are used. I think mine was
scruffily written on about 3 pages of notepaper. It didn't have to be
neat, and I didn't have to learn calligraphy to write it.

--
Blue Moon

[rockhound]

>>rockhound <user@null.org>:
>>
>>takes self too damn seriously
>>does ooze self-pity, on occasion
>>proud, obstinate, self-righteous, power-driving, mean, egotistical
>>scourge on society, in a limited sort of way
>>pathological liar
>>freaking lazy
>>thief-of-all-trades
>>seeker of sympathy and attention
>>overvalues self
>>doesn't really give a shit about anybody but herself
>>slightly unkempt
>>mostly, just likes to blow smoke
>>phony and insincere (sp?)
>>poor judge of character
>>poor judge of self
>>difficulty seeing other side of argument
>>attacks those weaker than self
>>judgemental
>>mental
>>not a hard worker by any stretch of the imagination
>>not really greedy, just doesn't like to share anything
>naive
>gets mad at the drop of a hat
>gives unqualified advice
>pretty sure she knows best
opinionated
talks too much sometimes
attempted murderer by character assassination
thinks too highly of self

>>anybody able to pitch in here?
>>gonna go put my shades on and get some fresh air
>>...almost starting to actually like myself :)

maybe one of you could help me get them in order from greatest to
least threat to the well-being of others?

anybody?

didn't think so...

good thing nobody takes me seriously...take a perverse sort of comfort
in that

[rosie]

: It doesn't matter how many sheets of paper are used. I think mine
was
: scruffily written on about 3 pages of notepaper. It didn't have
to be
: neat, and I didn't have to learn calligraphy to write it.
:
: --
: Blue Moon


what?
no novel?

[John Droge]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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>
> "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:Hjqtc.12816$Tn6.4368@newsread1.news.pas.earth link.net...
> >
> > "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> > news:c9366p$lua$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > >
> > > "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > > news:4l8tc.12515$be.5823@newsread2.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> > >
> > > > Thoughts on steps 5,6 and 7
> > > > the doom of having to repeat history because we didn't learn
> from it
> > > has
> > > > been lifted--no longer under the control of the past--taken
> action
> > > on the
> > > > promise in 3?--that rock you've been rolling up that hill over
> and
> > > over has
> > > > been broken into a bunch of pebbles and you don't care about
> that
> > > stinkin'
> > > > hill anymore--coming into a fit spiritual condition --feel God's
> > > Grace;
> > > > God's willing ness to forgive us whether the hell we deserve it
> or
> > > not--
> > > > release from the wreckage of the past and putting it in it's
> proper
> > > place-
> > > > Like REM sang "It's the end of the World as we knew it. And I
> feel
> > > FINE!!"
> > > > my change of tense.
> > > > John
> > > >
> > > OK. My thoughts on Steps 6 and 7.
> > >
> > > Having identified my character defects/liabilities, decide which
> ones
> > > cause me harm. When they're on display and causing me harm, shut
> them
> > > down. If I've time to think about how to act, choose whether or
> not
> > > to display a character defect/liabilities. If I make a conscious
> > > effort to control my character defects/liabilities, over time
> maybe
> > > some of them will appear less frequently than now and perhaps even
> > > disappear. At that point maybe I could think that my God had
> removed
> > > those defects/liabilities.
> > >
> > > JB
> > >
> > JB
> > How well has this approach been working for you?
>
> It works if I work it
>
> >Do you feel at peace with
> > your sobriety?
> > John
>
> If by this you mean: "are you content to not drink ?", the answer is
> "almost all the time".
>
> If by this you mean: "does nothing ever bug you ? ", the answer is
> "no".
>
> If by this you mean: "do you never lose your cool" ?, the answer is
> "no".
>
> If by this you mean: "are you free of your character defects", the
> answer is "no".
>
> If by this you mean: "do you think you are learning how it is possible
> for you to cope in this world better than you have in the past ?" the
> answer is "yes".
>
> If by this you mean: "Are you coping better with life than you did in
> the past ?" the answer is "Yes - but only when I'm putting onto
> practices lessons I've learnt in AA."
>
> If I've given inappropriate answers to your question, maybe if you
> explain what you mean by being at "peace in sobriety, I'll give
> thought to coming back.
>
> JB
>
JB
Yeah the concept of being "at peace in sobriety" brings to mind different
things. I like the things you brought up.
John

[JB]

"rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> : It doesn't matter how many sheets of paper are used. I think mine
> was
> : scruffily written on about 3 pages of notepaper. It didn't have
> to be
> : neat, and I didn't have to learn calligraphy to write it.
> :
> : --
> : Blue Moon
>
>
> what?
> no novel?

Given that a novel is "an extended work in prose, either fictitious or
partly so............" (Ref: Collins English Dic), what place is there
in Step 4 for such a piece of work ?

JB

[rosie]

sorry JB, its just an old expression from "my neck of the woods" it
encourages sponsee's NOT to write novels, but rather KEEP IT SIMPLE!

--
rosie

http://interactive.lwv.org/News/News.cfm?ID=1192&c=1



"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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:
: "rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
: news:6fTtc.26666$zn.21327@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
: >
: >
: > : It doesn't matter how many sheets of paper are used. I think
mine
: > was
: > : scruffily written on about 3 pages of notepaper. It didn't
have
: > to be
: > : neat, and I didn't have to learn calligraphy to write it.
: > :
: > : --
: > : Blue Moon
: >
: >
: > what?
: > no novel?
:
: Given that a novel is "an extended work in prose, either
fictitious or
: partly so............" (Ref: Collins English Dic), what place is
there
: in Step 4 for such a piece of work ?
:
: JB
:
:

[JB]

"rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:VX%tc.26686$zn.570@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> sorry JB, its just an old expression from "my neck of the woods" it
> encourages sponsee's NOT to write novels, but rather KEEP IT SIMPLE!
>
> --
> rosie

OK. If where you live sponsees are not encouraged to "write novels
but rather keep it simple" (your words) why ask Blue: "What, No novel
?"

JB

> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:c99r4n$b53$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> :
> : "rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
> : news:6fTtc.26666$zn.21327@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> : >
> : >
> : > : It doesn't matter how many sheets of paper are used. I think
> mine
> : > was
> : > : scruffily written on about 3 pages of notepaper. It didn't
> have
> : > to be
> : > : neat, and I didn't have to learn calligraphy to write it.
> : > :
> : > : --
> : > : Blue Moon
> : >
> : >
> : > what?
> : > no novel?
> :
> : Given that a novel is "an extended work in prose, either
> fictitious or
> : partly so............" (Ref: Collins English Dic), what place is
> there
> : in Step 4 for such a piece of work ?
> :
> : JB
> :
> :
>
>

[rosie]

JB,
it was a joke!
it was addressed to BM!
seems that your looking for an argument again!
too bad, you won't find one with me!

--
rosie

http://interactive.lwv.org/News/News.cfm?ID=1192&c=1



"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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:
: "rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
: news:VX%tc.26686$zn.570@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
: > sorry JB, its just an old expression from "my neck of the woods"
it
: > encourages sponsee's NOT to write novels, but rather KEEP IT
SIMPLE!
: >
: > --
: > rosie
:
: OK. If where you live sponsees are not encouraged to "write
novels
: but rather keep it simple" (your words) why ask Blue: "What, No
novel
: ?"
:
: JB
:
: > "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
: > news:c99r4n$b53$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
: > :
: > : "rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
: > : news:6fTtc.26666$zn.21327@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
: > : >
: > : >
: > : > : It doesn't matter how many sheets of paper are used. I
think
: > mine
: > : > was
: > : > : scruffily written on about 3 pages of notepaper. It
didn't
: > have
: > : > to be
: > : > : neat, and I didn't have to learn calligraphy to write it.
: > : > :
: > : > : --
: > : > : Blue Moon
: > : >
: > : >
: > : > what?
: > : > no novel?
: > :
: > : Given that a novel is "an extended work in prose, either
: > fictitious or
: > : partly so............" (Ref: Collins English Dic), what place
is
: > there
: > : in Step 4 for such a piece of work ?
: > :
: > : JB
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
:
:

[JB]

"rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:fA0uc.26692$zn.18907@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> JB,
> it was a joke!

Only you know whether you've spoken the truth :^)

JB

> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:c9a3jr$t42$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
> :
> : "rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
> : news:VX%tc.26686$zn.570@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> : > sorry JB, its just an old expression from "my neck of the woods"
> it
> : > encourages sponsee's NOT to write novels, but rather KEEP IT
> SIMPLE!
> : >
> : > --
> : > rosie
> :
> : OK. If where you live sponsees are not encouraged to "write
> novels
> : but rather keep it simple" (your words) why ask Blue: "What, No
> novel
> : ?"
> :
> : JB
> :
> : > "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> : > news:c99r4n$b53$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
> : > :
> : > : "rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
> : > : news:6fTtc.26666$zn.21327@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > : > : It doesn't matter how many sheets of paper are used. I
> think
> : > mine
> : > : > was
> : > : > : scruffily written on about 3 pages of notepaper. It
> didn't
> : > have
> : > : > to be
> : > : > : neat, and I didn't have to learn calligraphy to write it.
> : > : > :
> : > : > : --
> : > : > : Blue Moon
> : > : >
> : > : >
> : > : > what?
> : > : > no novel?
> : > :
> : > : Given that a novel is "an extended work in prose, either
> : > fictitious or
> : > : partly so............" (Ref: Collins English Dic), what place
> is
> : > there
> : > : in Step 4 for such a piece of work ?
> : > :
> : > : JB
> : > :
> : > :
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

[Robert McGregor]

rosie wrote:
> sorry JB, its just an old expression from "my neck of the
woods" it
> encourages sponsee's NOT to write novels, but rather KEEP
IT SIMPLE!

Hence, in that neck of the woods where Hocus Pocus is the
one true God, and forktongue AAspeak is the norm, "searching
and fearless" is more properly expressed as "KEEP IT
SIMPLE!"

Bob



>
> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:c99r4n$b53$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk...
>>
>> "rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:6fTtc.26666$zn.21327@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>>
>>>
>>>> It doesn't matter how many sheets of paper are used. I
think mine
>>>> was scruffily written on about 3 pages of notepaper.
It didn't
>>>> have to be neat, and I didn't have to learn calligraphy
to write
>>>> it.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Blue Moon
>>>
>>>
>>> what?
>>> no novel?
>>
>> Given that a novel is "an extended work in prose, either
fictitious
>> or partly so............" (Ref: Collins English Dic),
what place is
>> there in Step 4 for such a piece of work ?
>>
>> JB

[rosie]

so, i was right, you ARE trying to start trouble...................
i am sorry that you are so bored with your life, and hope that the
rest of your afternoon provides you with something to do!

i see that robert has just checked in, maybe he can entertain you!




"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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:
: Only you know whether you've spoken the truth :^)
:
: JB
:

[JB]

"rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> so, i was right, you ARE trying to start trouble...................

"Emotional sickness is avoiding reality at any cost. Emotional health
is facing reality at any cost". M Scott Peck
>
>
>
>

> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:c9a558$mh9$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> :
> : Only you know whether you've spoken the truth :^)
> :
> : JB

[rosie]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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:
: "Emotional sickness is avoiding reality at any cost. Emotional
health
: is facing reality at any cost". M Scott Peck





on the bottom of page xxvi of the BIG BOOK you will find a reference
about those of you who seem to remain RESTLESS, IRRITABLE, AND
DISCONTENT....................you will also find the solution in the
first 164 pages, why not work on that instead of continually
striking out at me and others?






my job today?
with HP's help, i'll work on my patience and tolerance!

[JB]

"rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:c9aaeb$vu$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> :
> : "Emotional sickness is avoiding reality at any cost. Emotional
> health
> : is facing reality at any cost". M Scott Peck
>
>
>
>
>
> on the bottom of page xxvi of the BIG BOOK you will find a reference
> about those of you who seem to remain RESTLESS, IRRITABLE, AND
> DISCONTENT....................you will also find the solution in the
> first 164 pages, why not work on that instead of continually
> striking out at me and others?

Do you think there are truths in M Scott Peck's words ?

JB

[Blue Moon]

On Sat, 29 May 2004 03:15:14 GMT, "rosie"
<readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:

>: It doesn't matter how many sheets of paper are used. I think mine
>was
>: scruffily written on about 3 pages of notepaper. It didn't have
>to be
>: neat, and I didn't have to learn calligraphy to write it.
>:
>
>what?
>no novel?

Definitely not. It's an inventory, not a life story.

--
Blue Moon

[rosie]

: >what?
: >no novel?
:
: Definitely not. It's an inventory, not a life story.
:
: --
: Blue Moon


YUP!
:)

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Zk2uc.26701$zn.5673@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:c9aaeb$vu$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> :
> : "Emotional sickness is avoiding reality at any cost.
Emotional
> health
> : is facing reality at any cost". M Scott Peck
>
>
>
>
>
> on the bottom of page xxvi of the BIG BOOK you will find a
reference
> about those of you who seem to remain RESTLESS, IRRITABLE,
AND
> DISCONTENT....................you will also find the
solution in the
> first 164 pages, why not work on that instead of
continually
> striking out at me and others?
>
rosie wrote:

>
> you will not find one post of mine, that suggests doing
the THIRD
> STEP for what to me is an obvious mental health issue.
>
> grow up!

http://tinyurl.com/2pvpx

[rockhound]

rockhound <user@null.org> wrote:

>
>>>rockhound <user@null.org>:
>>>
>>>takes self too damn seriously
>>>does ooze self-pity, on occasion
>>>proud, obstinate, self-righteous, power-driving, mean, egotistical
>>>scourge on society, in a limited sort of way
>>>pathological liar
>>>freaking lazy
>>>thief-of-all-trades
>>>seeker of sympathy and attention
>>>overvalues self
>>>doesn't really give a shit about anybody but herself
>>>slightly unkempt
>>>mostly, just likes to blow smoke
>>>phony and insincere (sp?)
>>>poor judge of character
>>>poor judge of self
>>>difficulty seeing other side of argument
>>>attacks those weaker than self
>>>judgemental
>>>mental
>>>not a hard worker by any stretch of the imagination
>>>XXXXXXXXnot really greedy, just doesn't like to share anything XXXXXXXXXXX
>>naive
>>gets mad at the drop of a hat
>>gives unqualified advice
>>pretty sure she knows best
>opinionated
>talks too much sometimes
>attempted murderer by character assassination
>thinks too highly of self
selfish
greedy
irresponsible
demanding
ungrateful
attention-seeking
spoilt brat ?
major superiority complex
have to cuz deep underlying inferiority cuz why cuz
does not play well with others
does not work well without supervision






>
>>>anybody able to pitch in here?
>>>gonna go put my shades on and get some fresh air
>>>...almost starting to actually like myself :)
>
>maybe one of you could help me get them in order from greatest to
>least threat to the well-being of others?
>
>anybody?
>
>didn't think so...
>
>good thing nobody takes me seriously...take a perverse sort of comfort
>in that

[rockhound]

rockhound <user@null.org> wrote:

>rockhound <user@null.org> wrote:
>
>>
>>>>rockhound <user@null.org>:
>>>>
>>>>takes self too damn seriously
>>>>does ooze self-pity, on occasion
>>>>proud, obstinate, self-righteous, power-driving, mean, egotistical
>>>>scourge on society, in a limited sort of way
>>>>pathological liar
>>>>freaking lazy
>>>>thief-of-all-trades
>>>>seeker of sympathy and attention
>>>>overvalues self
>>>>doesn't really give a shit about anybody but herself
>>>>slightly unkempt
>>>>mostly, just likes to blow smoke
>>>>phony and insincere (sp?)
>>>>poor judge of character
>>>>poor judge of self
>>>>difficulty seeing other side of argument
>>>>attacks those weaker than self
>>>>judgemental
>>>>mental
>>>>not a hard worker by any stretch of the imagination
>>>>XXXXXXXXnot really greedy, just doesn't like to share anything XXXXXXXXXXX
>>>naive
>>>gets mad at the drop of a hat
>>>gives unqualified advice
>>>pretty sure she knows best
>>opinionated
>>talks too much sometimes
>>attempted murderer by character assassination
>>thinks too highly of self
>selfish
>greedy
>irresponsible
>demanding
>ungrateful
>attention-seeking
>spoilt brat ?
>major superiority complex
>have to cuz deep underlying inferiority cuz why cuz
>does not play well with others
>does not work well without supervision
little bit slow



>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>>>anybody able to pitch in here?
>>>>gonna go put my shades on and get some fresh air
>>>>...almost starting to actually like myself :)
>>
>>maybe one of you could help me get them in order from greatest to
>>least threat to the well-being of others?
>>
>>anybody?
>>
>>didn't think so...
>>
>>good thing nobody takes me seriously...take a perverse sort of comfort
>>in that

[rockhound]

rockhound <user@null.org> wrote:

>rockhound <user@null.org> wrote:
>
>>rockhound <user@null.org> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>>>rockhound <user@null.org>:
>>>>>
>>>>>takes self too damn seriously
>>>>>does ooze self-pity, on occasion
>>>>>proud, obstinate, self-righteous, power-driving, mean, egotistical
>>>>>scourge on society, in a limited sort of way
>>>>>pathological liar
>>>>>freaking lazy
>>>>>thief-of-all-trades
>>>>>seeker of sympathy and attention
>>>>>overvalues self
>>>>>doesn't really give a shit about anybody but herself
>>>>>slightly unkempt
>>>>>mostly, just likes to blow smoke
>>>>>phony and insincere (sp?)
>>>>>poor judge of character
>>>>>poor judge of self
>>>>>difficulty seeing other side of argument
>>>>>attacks those weaker than self
>>>>>judgemental
>>>>>mental
>>>>>not a hard worker by any stretch of the imagination
>>>>>XXXXXXXXnot really greedy, just doesn't like to share anything XXXXXXXXXXX
>>>>naive
>>>>gets mad at the drop of a hat
>>>>gives unqualified advice
>>>>pretty sure she knows best
>>>opinionated
>>>talks too much sometimes
>>>attempted murderer by character assassination
>>>thinks too highly of self
>>selfish
>>greedy
>>irresponsible
>>demanding
>>ungrateful
>>attention-seeking
>>spoilt brat ?
>>major superiority complex
>>have to cuz deep underlying inferiority cuz why cuz
>>does not play well with others
>>does not work well without supervision
>little bit slow
does not work well with supervision


>
>
>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>>>anybody able to pitch in here?
>>>>>gonna go put my shades on and get some fresh air
>>>>>...almost starting to actually like myself :)
>>>
>>>maybe one of you could help me get them in order from greatest to
>>>least threat to the well-being of others?
>>>
>>>anybody?
>>>
>>>didn't think so...
>>>
>>>good thing nobody takes me seriously...take a perverse sort of comfort
>>>in that

[rockhound]

rockhound <user@null.org> wrote:

>>>>>>takes self too damn seriously
>>>>>>does ooze self-pity, on occasion
>>>>>>proud, obstinate, self-righteous, power-driving, mean, egotistical
>>>>>>scourge on society, in a limited sort of way
>>>>>>pathological liar
>>>>>>freaking lazy
>>>>>>thief-of-all-trades
>>>>>>seeker of sympathy and attention
>>>>>>overvalues self
>>>>>>doesn't really give a shit about anybody but herself
>>>>>>slightly unkempt
>>>>>>mostly, just likes to blow smoke
>>>>>>phony and insincere (sp?)
>>>>>>poor judge of character
>>>>>>poor judge of self
>>>>>>difficulty seeing other side of argument
>>>>>>attacks those weaker than self
>>>>>>judgemental
>>>>>>mental
>>>>>>not a hard worker by any stretch of the imagination
>>>>>naive
>>>>>gets mad at the drop of a hat
>>>>>gives unqualified advice
>>>>>pretty sure she knows best
>>>>opinionated
>>>>talks too much sometimes
>>>>attempted murderer by character assassination
>>>>thinks too highly of self
>>>selfish
>>>greedy
>>>irresponsible
>>>demanding
>>>ungrateful
>>>attention-seeking
>>>spoilt brat ?
>>>major superiority complex
>>>have to cuz deep underlying inferiority cuz why cuz
>>>does not play well with others
>>>does not work well without supervision
>>little bit slow
>does not work well with supervision
selective memory
exaggerates and minimizes
lacks realistic perspective
likes flavor for her fare


>>
>>
>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>anybody able to pitch in here?
>>>>>>gonna go put my shades on and get some fresh air
>>>>>>...almost starting to actually like myself :)
>>>>
>>>>maybe one of you could help me get them in order from greatest to
>>>>least threat to the well-being of others?
>>>>
>>>>anybody?
>>>>
>>>>didn't think so...
>>>>
>>>>good thing nobody takes me seriously...take a perverse sort of comfort
>>>>in that

[John Droge]

"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message > likes flavor for her fare
>

> >>>>>>anybody able to pitch in here?

rock
The answer to the question posed on page 69 is in the
first 4 sentences on pg 96

















just a joke rock

John

[rockhound]

"John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message > likes flavor for her fare
>>
>
>> >>>>>>anybody able to pitch in here?
>
>rock
>The answer to the question posed on page 69 is in the
>first 4 sentences on pg 96
>
>
>just a joke rock
>
>John

Yeah well guess what else - we know someone who *is* good at the asian
geisha girl servitude thing :) No kidding :)

[rockhound]

"John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message > likes flavor for her fare
>>
>
>> >>>>>>anybody able to pitch in here?
>
>rock
>The answer to the question posed on page 69 is in the
>first 4 sentences on pg 96
>
>just a joke rock
>
>John

And anyway, besides, Droge, howcome the first interest u show in my
disordered defect list is that particular one huh?

I think i'm gonna go erase that, because i no longer see it as a
defect. Not sure what i had in mind. Thanks for bringing it to my
attention :)

[rockhound]

rockhound <user@null.org> wrote:

>rockhound <user@null.org> wrote:
>
>>>>>>>takes self too damn seriously
>>>>>>>does ooze self-pity, on occasion
>>>>>>>proud, obstinate, self-righteous, power-driving, mean, egotistical
>>>>>>>scourge on society, in a limited sort of way
>>>>>>>pathological liar
>>>>>>>freaking lazy
>>>>>>>thief-of-all-trades
>>>>>>>seeker of sympathy and attention
>>>>>>>overvalues self
>>>>>>>doesn't really give a shit about anybody but herself
>>>>>>>slightly unkempt
>>>>>>>mostly, just likes to blow smoke
>>>>>>>phony and insincere (sp?)
>>>>>>>poor judge of character
>>>>>>>poor judge of self
>>>>>>>difficulty seeing other side of argument
>>>>>>>attacks those weaker than self
>>>>>>>judgemental
>>>>>>>mental
>>>>>>>not a hard worker by any stretch of the imagination
>>>>>>naive
>>>>>>gets mad at the drop of a hat
>>>>>>gives unqualified advice
>>>>>>pretty sure she knows best
>>>>>opinionated
>>>>>talks too much sometimes
>>>>>attempted murderer by character assassination
>>>>>thinks too highly of self
>>>>selfish
>>>>greedy
>>>>irresponsible
>>>>demanding
>>>>ungrateful
>>>>attention-seeking
>>>>spoilt brat ?
>>>>major superiority complex
>>>>have to cuz deep underlying inferiority cuz why cuz
>>>>does not play well with others
>>>>does not work well without supervision
>>>little bit slow
>>does not work well with supervision
>selective memory
>exaggerates and minimizes
>lacks realistic perspective

>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>anybody able to pitch in here?
>>>>>>>gonna go put my shades on and get some fresh air
>>>>>>>...almost starting to actually like myself :)
>>>>>
>>>>>maybe one of you could help me get them in order from greatest to
>>>>>least threat to the well-being of others?
>>>>>
>>>>>anybody?
>>>>>
>>>>>didn't think so...
>>>>>
>>>>>good thing nobody takes me seriously...take a perverse sort of comfort
>>>>>in that

[John Droge]

"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
news:a9294dd76ce8438308665a3d04216354@news.teranew s.com...
> "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message > likes flavor for her fare
> >>
> >
> >> >>>>>>anybody able to pitch in here?
> >
> >rock
> >The answer to the question posed on page 69 is in the
> >first 4 sentences on pg 96
> >
> >just a joke rock
> >
> >John
>
> And anyway, besides, Droge, howcome the first interest u show in my
> disordered defect list is that particular one huh?
>
> I think i'm gonna go erase that, because i no longer see it as a
> defect. Not sure what i had in mind. Thanks for bringing it to my
> attention :)

A-HA!
Glad you see my point, couldn't make a joke outta the rest of it.
Whatta you mean u! I'm the ONLY one to comment probably the only one that's
been reading.
John

[rockhound]

"John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
>news:a9294dd76ce8438308665a3d04216354@news.teranew s.com...
>> "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message > likes flavor for her fare
>> >>
>> >
>> >> >>>>>>anybody able to pitch in here?
>> >
>> >rock
>> >The answer to the question posed on page 69 is in the
>> >first 4 sentences on pg 96
>> >
>> >just a joke rock
>> >
>> >John
>>
>> And anyway, besides, Droge, howcome the first interest u show in my
>> disordered defect list is that particular one huh?
>>
>> I think i'm gonna go erase that, because i no longer see it as a
>> defect. Not sure what i had in mind. Thanks for bringing it to my
>> attention :)
>
>A-HA!
>Glad you see my point, couldn't make a joke outta the rest of it.
>Whatta you mean u! I'm the ONLY one to comment probably the only one that's
>been reading.
>John
>

Yeah, it's ok, John, you know i'm desperate for attention. But i
recalled why it was there - it was a polite way of including the
grabbing of more than my fair share in that convoluted area of life.
I guess i can just keep that under greedy tho.

man, i have never considered myself greedy...

this inventory business is just too weird. can't believe some of the
lies i've told myself about myself, and truly believed.

[rockhound]

rockhound <user@null.org> wrote:

>>>>>>>>takes self too damn seriously
>>>>>>>>does ooze self-pity, on occasion
>>>>>>>>proud, obstinate, self-righteous, power-driving, mean, egotistical
>>>>>>>>scourge on society, in a limited sort of way
>>>>>>>>pathological liar
>>>>>>>>freaking lazy
>>>>>>>>thief-of-all-trades
>>>>>>>>seeker of sympathy and attention
>>>>>>>>overvalues self
>>>>>>>>doesn't really give a shit about anybody but herself
>>>>>>>>slightly unkempt
>>>>>>>>mostly, just likes to blow smoke
>>>>>>>>phony and insincere (sp?)
>>>>>>>>poor judge of character
>>>>>>>>poor judge of self
>>>>>>>>difficulty seeing other side of argument
>>>>>>>>attacks those weaker than self
>>>>>>>>judgemental
>>>>>>>>mental
>>>>>>>>not a hard worker by any stretch of the imagination
>>>>>>>naive
>>>>>>>gets mad at the drop of a hat
>>>>>>>gives unqualified advice
>>>>>>>pretty sure she knows best
>>>>>>opinionated
>>>>>>talks too much sometimes
>>>>>>attempted murderer by character assassination
>>>>>>thinks too highly of self
>>>>>selfish
>>>>>greedy
>>>>>irresponsible
>>>>>demanding
>>>>>ungrateful
>>>>>attention-seeking
>>>>>spoilt brat ?
>>>>>major superiority complex
>>>>>have to cuz deep underlying inferiority cuz why cuz
>>>>>does not play well with others
>>>>>does not work well without supervision
>>>>little bit slow
>>>does not work well with supervision
>>selective memory
>>exaggerates and minimizes
>>lacks realistic perspective
terrible foul mouth
>
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>anybody able to pitch in here?
>>>>>>>>gonna go put my shades on and get some fresh air
>>>>>>>>...almost starting to actually like myself :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>maybe one of you could help me get them in order from greatest to
>>>>>>least threat to the well-being of others?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>anybody?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>didn't think so...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>good thing nobody takes me seriously...take a perverse sort of comfort
>>>>>>in that

[rockhound]

rockhound <user@null.org> wrote:

>"John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>
>>"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message > likes flavor for her fare
>>>
>>
>>> >>>>>>anybody able to pitch in here?
>>
>>rock
>>The answer to the question posed on page 69 is in the
>>first 4 sentences on pg 96
>>
>>
>>just a joke rock
>>
>>John
>
>Yeah well guess what else - we know someone who *is* good at the asian
>geisha girl servitude thing :) No kidding :)

long time long time!