Re: What a hypocrit

[Robert McGregor]

"JJ" <jakervik@attbi.com> wrote in message
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> Rosie.....I actually was kinda supporting you when I first began to ride
> some of these posts...but...as usual...this site is no different than any
> other newsgroup. It gets snotty and stupid and nasty...and people like you
> think it's funny when a moron calls someone with a different opinion a
right
> wing prick....so sad...and so very pathetic.
>
>

But but but, ....... recognisable also by her daily pasting of sacred
proclamations, that's the superior "quality AA" that Rosie proclaims to
deliberately superimpose here.

Before the arrival of her exemplary "Love and fellowship", AKA the softer
easier way, this group had survived with a common element of caring, despite
regular, and almost irreconcilable differences of opinion.

Bob

"rosie readandpost" <readandpostREMOVE@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> ATTRACTION, NOT PROMOTION is what we in AA are suppose to remember, and
abide by

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
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> i stay in ARAA (with an active killfile) to share my experience, strength
and hope and to remind those who come, that
> these few folks ARE NOT a sample of the loving understanding, that can be
found in AA and other support groups!

[Moonraker]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> Before the arrival of her exemplary "Love and fellowship", AKA the softer
> easier way, this group had survived with a common element of caring,
despite
> regular, and almost irreconcilable differences of opinion.
>
> Bob
>
>

Do I hear a motion from the floor?

[Robert McGregor]

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> > Before the arrival of her exemplary "Love and fellowship", AKA the
softer
> > easier way, this group had survived with a common element of caring,
despite
> > regular, and almost irreconcilable differences of opinion.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
>
> then bob, by all means, get back to your normal element of caring!
> i've been waiting for it!
>
>

The choice to exclude was yours, although now I do endorse it;-)

Bob

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <bd84uq$q0kvo$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de>, Robert McGregor
<robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
>AKA the softer easier way, this group had survived with a common
>element of caring

Hmmm - one of the first comments I received was: your recovery is
immaterial to me. Very caring.
--
Jonathan Bratt

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <TxMJa.2952$QC5.2251@fe02.atl2.webusenet.com>, Moonraker
<fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> writes
>
>"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>news:bd84uq$q0kvo$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de...
>> Before the arrival of her exemplary "Love and fellowship", AKA the softer
>> easier way, this group had survived with a common element of caring,
>despite
>> regular, and almost irreconcilable differences of opinion.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>
>Do I hear a motion from the floor?
>
>
>
You calling Robert a motion?
--
Jonathan Bratt

[Robert McGregor]

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
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> In message <bd84uq$q0kvo$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de>, Robert McGregor
> <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
> >AKA the softer easier way, this group had survived with a common
> >element of caring
>
> Hmmm - one of the first comments I received was: your recovery is
> immaterial to me. Very caring.
> --
> Jonathan Bratt

Oh, I must have missed it. In context of that quote, rosie invented lies
about you, too? All I noticed was the way she sucked up to you.

Bob


Bob

[Jonathan Bratt]

In message <bd97l3$qiitn$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de>, Robert McGregor
<robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
>
>"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:t9F08QnUuA++Ew2J@aol.com...
>> In message <bd84uq$q0kvo$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de>, Robert McGregor
>> <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
>> >AKA the softer easier way, this group had survived with a common
>> >element of caring
>>
>> Hmmm - one of the first comments I received was: your recovery is
>> immaterial to me. Very caring.
>> --
>> Jonathan Bratt
>
>Oh, I must have missed it. In context of that quote, rosie invented lies
>about you, too? All I noticed was the way she sucked up to you.

One of the moon twins I think - not entirely sure tho.
--
Jonathan Bratt

[rosie readandpost]

> >Do I hear a motion from the floor?
> >
> >
> >
> You calling Robert a motion?
> --
> Jonathan Bratt

;)

[Blue Moon]

On Tue, 24 Jun 2003 09:28:04 +0100, Jonathan Bratt
<jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote:

>In message <bd84uq$q0kvo$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de>, Robert McGregor
><robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> writes
>>AKA the softer easier way, this group had survived with a common
>>element of caring
>
>Hmmm - one of the first comments I received was: your recovery is
>immaterial to me. Very caring.

Maybe you need to read what was actually said, rather than what you
thought was said.

If my recovery was dependant upon whether or not you (or anyone else)
recover, I'd be in a lot of trouble. That's a fact. Why? Because the
vast majority of alcoholics are just not willing to do whatever they
need to do to get and stay sober.

There's also a difference between "caring" and "ego-stroking". If
anyone wants their ego stroked when that very ego is clearly what got
them into such a mess in the first place, they're in for a rough ride.
And those who stroke egos are those who'll happily watch the
individual go right back out and drink again. Recovery from
alcoholism is based upon rigorous honesty, which is almost never the
same as what a newcomer wants to hear.

--
Blue Moon

[rosie readandpost]

> And those who stroke egos are those who'll happily watch the
> individual go right back out and drink again.


happily?
how the hell would you know that?

another dumb, dumb, comment!

[Moonraker]

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> > And those who stroke egos are those who'll happily watch the
> > individual go right back out and drink again.
>
>
> happily?
> how the hell would you know that?
>
> another dumb, dumb, comment!
>
>

Here's an easy one for you RRAP. What's the success rate of YOUR sponsees?

[rosie readandpost]

>
> Here's an easy one for you RRAP. What's the success rate of YOUR sponsees?
>
>
>

i can't answer that, you would accuse me of bragging!
:)

[Blue Moon]

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 17:45:54 -0500, "rosie readandpost"
<readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>> And those who stroke egos are those who'll happily watch the
>> individual go right back out and drink again.
>
>happily?
>how the hell would you know that?

I don't see too many AAs expressing remorse at their dumb, dumb talk
about prayers, knee-bending, sponsors-thinking-about-drinking etc.
clearly sending alcoholics running to the nearest bar. The
responsibility is too often lain squarely on the shoulders of the
clueless newbie.

--
Blue Moon

[Blue Moon]

On Fri, 27 Jun 2003 18:58:21 -0400, "Moonraker"
<fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote:

>Here's an easy one for you RRAP. What's the success rate of YOUR sponsees?

To be fair, I'm suspecting that it's high. From what I perceive,
Rosie seems to be one of those I see in meetings who will leech the
newcomer but won't take a sponsee unless that individual is clearly
willing to do everything demanded of them (some sponsors even have the
sponsees mowing lawns, cleaning toilets, etc. as "service"). In some
quarters it's called "strong sponsorship", in others it's called
"controlling", in others it's called "co-dependency". Woe betide a
relapsing sponsee! Can be a sure way to make some sponsors appear
angry, because they can have a high dependency on the newly-sober for
their own sobriety.

The next question should be, how many sponsees dump the sponsor after
a year or so because they feel stifled by all the controlling? That
number is often also high among the controlling sponsors. Getting any
of them to admit this reality would be another matter, of course.

So hard sponsors probably have a role to play, as do sponsors who can
really show how to work the program. They're not the same thing. A
hard sponsor who understands, and can guide another through, the
program is a rarity.

--
Blue Moon