What did you do?

[Adrian]

People may have seen my earlier post, and thanks for some of giving me the
benefit of the doubt for not being an alcoholic, but I know that I am. Have
been for a long time, and nothing proved that more the 4 years clean.

But this time I don't feel that I am worth cleaning up, I know that I am
down, and I know the booze makes it even worse then it would be. I am sure
some had the feeling that it wasn't worth cleaning up, but did. What where
your own reasons for doing it. Or did you do something about the depression
first. Although I have heard it is very hard to get out of the depression if
you are still drinking.

I know that I should just go to a meeting (never been), and I know it wont
be as scary as I think it is, but I am in the frame of mind of the people
that never finish Alan Carr's stop smoking book, so they don't have to stop
smoking. I am sure there are many who will say "Keep drinking" if that is
what you want to do, but part of me doesn't and part does. I suppose I am
asking where people found their reason to stop. I had one once, and it got
lost by the wayside. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to fit anymore because I
don't really care about me. It would be nice to hear other peoples reasons,
as I relate very closely to many of the posts here. I am getting closer to
stopping, spending Saturday night in casualty helped, plus being told by my
clean friend how close I could have come to dying is a bit of a wake. (tried
to break into my own house, because the lock was broken and ended up with
lots of stitches from broken window glass, took me till Monday afternoon to
work out the sensible thing I should have done doh, but I still amaze myself
how stubborn I get when drunk).

I don't want to wait for rock bottom, got close enough last time, but it all
seems a dull memory. Plus my train of thought has moved to, gave up once can
do it again if I like, then drink for a while, then give up etc. Is this a
familiar feeling for people? Am I wasting your time?

Adrian

[Gail]

"Adrian" <nntp@bluedreamer.com> wrote in message
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> People may have seen my earlier post, and thanks for some of giving me the
> benefit of the doubt for not being an alcoholic, but I know that I am.
Have
> been for a long time, and nothing proved that more the 4 years clean.
>
> But this time I don't feel that I am worth cleaning up, I know that I am
> down, and I know the booze makes it even worse then it would be. I am sure
> some had the feeling that it wasn't worth cleaning up, but did. What where
> your own reasons for doing it. Or did you do something about the
depression
> first. Although I have heard it is very hard to get out of the depression
if
> you are still drinking.
>
> I know that I should just go to a meeting (never been), and I know it wont
> be as scary as I think it is, but I am in the frame of mind of the people
> that never finish Alan Carr's stop smoking book, so they don't have to
stop
> smoking. I am sure there are many who will say "Keep drinking" if that is
> what you want to do, but part of me doesn't and part does. I suppose I am
> asking where people found their reason to stop. I had one once, and it got
> lost by the wayside. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to fit anymore because
I
> don't really care about me. It would be nice to hear other peoples
reasons,
> as I relate very closely to many of the posts here. I am getting closer to
> stopping, spending Saturday night in casualty helped, plus being told by
my
> clean friend how close I could have come to dying is a bit of a wake.
(tried
> to break into my own house, because the lock was broken and ended up with
> lots of stitches from broken window glass, took me till Monday afternoon
to
> work out the sensible thing I should have done doh, but I still amaze
myself
> how stubborn I get when drunk).
>
> I don't want to wait for rock bottom, got close enough last time, but it
all
> seems a dull memory. Plus my train of thought has moved to, gave up once
can
> do it again if I like, then drink for a while, then give up etc. Is this a
> familiar feeling for people? Am I wasting your time?
>
> Adrian
>
>

Hi Adrian. You are not wasting anyone's time at all. You said you have never
been to AA? I suffered from depression, too. I was guilty of abusing
depression meds with my alcohol for years. Back in '99 I started going back
to AA and I was also seeing a counselor and starting taking meds (as
prescribed) for my depression. I wanted to die and I wanted to live. The
longer I stayed sober the more I wanted to live again. I can't give you your
reason to want to quit. Can your reason that you once had be a reason to
want to stop again? Have you been to your doctor and discussed your
alcoholism and depression? You might need some meds for your depression. I
would not recommend drinking with them, though. Maybe all you night need
some counseling and a decision to make an AA meeting.
Here is a site that a friend in here post quite a bit. I suggest you read
it. Maybe think about going to a meeting and buy you a big book.

http://silkworth.net/bb/howitworks.html

Keep posting. You are not wasting anyone's time.

Best,
Gail

[Mias]

"Adrian" <nntp@bluedreamer.com> wrote in message
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Or did you do something about the depression
> first. Although I have heard it is very hard to get out of the depression
if
> you are still drinking.
Dear Adrian
My last few drinking months was one long depression and yes - stopping
drinking does help a lot. If I did not get depressed about all the
sh...i...t I caused when drunk, and feelings of worthlessness then I would
really have been mentally affected.
Also Can identify with your wish to be a normal drinker and stop when you
like and drinkl when you want. I loved
the feeling that booze gave me. It made me feel like the lights on the
X-mass tree. Towards the end of my drinking career I wished just to be
normal because life became totally unbearable drinking. As a matter of fact
I tried to commit suicide by
walking into the sea, one morning Five 'O Clock, but the water turned out to
be too cold. At that stage I was so filled with feelings of guilt because of
the stupid things I did drunk and the permanent vague feeling of fear that
booze instilled in me that I could not face another human being without
booze in my brain and personality. What sort of made it worse was when I
became aware that even very bad 'drunks' was looking down on me and
despising me for giving drinking a bad name. At that stage I was unable to
perceive that people actually die from such behavior and that there are all
sorts of accidents and diseases that visit the fatally drunk beings. I
wanted to be dead then, in any case, but did not have the guts to pull the
plug while there was still booze left and means to obtain it. One aspect of
those 'end-days' was the total loneliness. I could be in a pub talking to
people but slowly the knowledge grew inside that this was a plastic world
filled with plastic people talking plastic talk, the essence that did not
last until the next morning. When I reached the point where I could not
imagine a life without drink AND also not imagine a life with drink, I knew
it was checkmate. I ended up in a mental institution, because of my
attempted suicide and they said I must sit in the corner, they could not do
anything much for me, save withdrawal, because I was an alcoholic. Even the
state nuthouse did not WANT me! That was a bit of a low. I got out, looked
up into the cloudless blue that morning and promised God, to His face, that
I will never drink again. It took me about a month to find an excuse to
break that promise. I drank on for a month but did not even enjoy it any
more. In the end booze steals even the plastic pleasure away. Then I saw an
article about an AA convention in Port Elizabeth, in 1989, with the twenty
questions. I did it and got a full score. I laughed and reckoned that if
these people knew all the right questions they might know some of the right
answers as well. Went to the Tuesday night meeting of the Port Elizabeth
group on the 4'th of April 1989 and has not had a drink since. More
important, I have had a life since then, filled with joy and happiness and
live real people. I can recognize love and give love. Many things have
changed for me and I will say that even before I started drinking circa 18,
I was alcoholic in my attitude towards life and how I expressed myself.
Although there MUST be other ways to turn this disease around than AA. Pray
God that there are, I would recommend that an alcoholic goes to AA and give
it a 90 day 90 meetings, whatever, but give AA at least as good a chance as
was booze given, to work, with at least as much enthusiasm as ones drinking
career. (Or even 1% of both would have sufficed in my case) This I say for a
few reasons, just my own perceived reasons as I experienced the healing
process:
.. One can not go it alone. One needs that hope and warmth and witness to
life being possible without booze. It gave me some of the 'feeling of
belonging' that I was searching for in booze.
.. One needs to be able to see that booze effects all people about the same
and that what one does when drunk is not all permanent insanity. One needs
to learn to laugh at it, when in the past.
.. One needs a structured program. When I started I could only do simple
things in a repetitive way because life without booze was strange and
frightening to me. 'They' said I must pray when feeling like a drink. I
prayed all day!
.. One needs some sort of end goal or vision. Coming from a booze filled life
I could only intellectually understand that there was different families
with different values where the sun sort of shined on a permanent and
predictable basis. Someone who is not an alcoholic will not understand what
I am saying here...
.. One needs love.
I am crying as I am writing this and thinking of those dark days. I thank
God and AA that I could enter into the light and that my life did not end 15
years ago. I wish that I could 'plant' a solution into a still suffering
alcoholics mind that will tell them. "Try AA, try SOMETHING, only, in God's
name KNOW that there is a beautiful, normal as normal gets, life without
booze if only you will reach out and take it. Depression will probably go
away and if it does not you will be sober enought to live with it.
Thinking of you...
Kind regards
Mias - 15 years clean and sober and enjoying every second of it!
..

>
> I know that I should just go to a meeting (never been), and I know it wont
> be as scary as I think it is, but I am in the frame of mind of the people
> that never finish Alan Carr's stop smoking book, so they don't have to
stop
> smoking. I am sure there are many who will say "Keep drinking" if that is
> what you want to do, but part of me doesn't and part does. I suppose I am
> asking where people found their reason to stop. I had one once, and it got
> lost by the wayside. Unfortunately it doesn't seem to fit anymore because
I
> don't really care about me. It would be nice to hear other peoples
reasons,
> as I relate very closely to many of the posts here. I am getting closer to
> stopping, spending Saturday night in casualty helped, plus being told by
my
> clean friend how close I could have come to dying is a bit of a wake.
(tried
> to break into my own house, because the lock was broken and ended up with
> lots of stitches from broken window glass, took me till Monday afternoon
to
> work out the sensible thing I should have done doh, but I still amaze
myself
> how stubborn I get when drunk).
>
> I don't want to wait for rock bottom, got close enough last time, but it
all
> seems a dull memory. Plus my train of thought has moved to, gave up once
can
> do it again if I like, then drink for a while, then give up etc. Is this a
> familiar feeling for people? Am I wasting your time?
>
> Adrian
>
>

[JB]

"Adrian" <nntp@bluedreamer.com> wrote in message
news:c6k6pk$91r$1@titan.btinternet.com...
> People may have seen my earlier post, and thanks for some of giving
me the
> benefit of the doubt for not being an alcoholic, but I know that I
am. Have
> been for a long time, and nothing proved that more the 4 years
clean.
>
> But this time I don't feel that I am worth cleaning up, I know that
I am
> down, and I know the booze makes it even worse then it would be. I
am sure
> some had the feeling that it wasn't worth cleaning up, but did. What
where
> your own reasons for doing it. Or did you do something about the
depression
> first. Although I have heard it is very hard to get out of the
depression if
> you are still drinking.

<snip>

Hi Adrian,

Ten years ago, I was drinking heavily, taking prescribed
antidepressants, I hated myself and I did not think that my life as
it was was worth living. Whenever I imagined what the future might
hold for me and my very severely disabled husband, I became more
depressed/ sorry for myself. Sometimes I came very close to acting
out my thought to commit suicide by taking an overdose of
antidepressants and slitting my wrists (after a drinking binge of
course <g>). I remember thinking that if I took my life, my husband
and close blood relatives might be upset but they'd go over it,
probably pretty quickly. I remember thinking that if I committed
suicide, I would miss them. I believe that the two reasons why I
didn't kill myself were firstly, I was afraid that it would not be an
instant death but rather a slow, and painful one (I didn't like that
idea <g>) and secondly, I didn't want my cats to have to be cared for
by anyone other then me.

After deciding that I wanted to go on living and that alcohol was part
of the reason why my life was so dreadful , I decided to give it up.
I stayed off booze for nearly eight years.

When I began drinking again in August 2003 it did not take me long
to discover that I had no control over my drinking. I'd sometimes say
to myself that I won't drink today but I always did. I drank until I
passed out and when I came to I'd often immediately start drinking.

At the beginning of 2004, I suspected that the amount I was drinking
was one of the reasons why I was feeling physically unwell, and unable
mentally to cope with my life. When I told my doctor this, he agreed
with my idea that I ought to stop drinking. Over the six months that
it took me to reach the decision to stop and stop, people I knew and
life in general seemed to become more unpleasant, more tiresome and
more difficult. When I told my doctor this, he gave me
antidepressants.

When I gave up drinking in 2004, I was not too proud to admit that I
was too weak to fight my addiction alone.

At this time, I no longer suffer the deep depressions I had while
drinking.

I wish you well and HTH.

JB

[JB]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
> When I began drinking again in August 2003

Sorry, it was August 2002 .

<snip>
> At the beginning of 2004, I suspected that the amount I was
drinking
> was one of the reasons why I was feeling physically unwell, and
unable
> mentally to cope with my life.

Sorry, it w as the beginning of 2003.

<snip>

> When I gave up drinking in 2004,

Sorry, it was 2003.

> JB

[Robert McGregor]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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>
> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:c6l6mi$f7g$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> <snip>
> > When I began drinking again in August 2003
>
> Sorry, it was August 2002 .
>
> <snip>
> > At the beginning of 2004, I suspected that the amount I was
> drinking
> > was one of the reasons why I was feeling physically unwell, and
> unable
> > mentally to cope with my life.
>
> Sorry, it w as the beginning of 2003.
>
> <snip>
>
> > When I gave up drinking in 2004,
>
> Sorry, it was 2003.
>
> > JB

Escaped a year of desolation, and you're sorry?

Ps. ? = question

Bob;-)

[JB]

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> news:c6l9l8$sa1$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> >
> > "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
> > news:c6l6mi$f7g$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > <snip>
> > > When I began drinking again in August 2003
> >
> > Sorry, it was August 2002 .
<snip>
> > > When I gave up drinking in 2004,
> >
> > Sorry, it was 2003.
> >
> > > JB
>
> Escaped a year of desolation, and you're sorry?
>
> Ps. ? = question
>
> Bob;-)

Absolutely not ! :^)

JB

[Gail]

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:c6l6mi$f7g$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "Adrian" <nntp@bluedreamer.com> wrote in message
> news:c6k6pk$91r$1@titan.btinternet.com...
> > People may have seen my earlier post, and thanks for some of giving
> me the
> > benefit of the doubt for not being an alcoholic, but I know that I
> am. Have
> > been for a long time, and nothing proved that more the 4 years
> clean.
> >
> > But this time I don't feel that I am worth cleaning up, I know that
> I am
> > down, and I know the booze makes it even worse then it would be. I
> am sure
> > some had the feeling that it wasn't worth cleaning up, but did. What
> where
> > your own reasons for doing it. Or did you do something about the
> depression
> > first. Although I have heard it is very hard to get out of the
> depression if
> > you are still drinking.
>
> <snip>
>
> Hi Adrian,
>
> Ten years ago, I was drinking heavily, taking prescribed
> antidepressants, I hated myself and I did not think that my life as
> it was was worth living. Whenever I imagined what the future might
> hold for me and my very severely disabled husband, I became more
> depressed/ sorry for myself. Sometimes I came very close to acting
> out my thought to commit suicide by taking an overdose of
> antidepressants and slitting my wrists (after a drinking binge of
> course <g>). I remember thinking that if I took my life, my husband
> and close blood relatives might be upset but they'd go over it,
> probably pretty quickly. I remember thinking that if I committed
> suicide, I would miss them. I believe that the two reasons why I
> didn't kill myself were firstly, I was afraid that it would not be an
> instant death but rather a slow, and painful one (I didn't like that
> idea <g>) and secondly, I didn't want my cats to have to be cared for
> by anyone other then me.
>
> After deciding that I wanted to go on living and that alcohol was part
> of the reason why my life was so dreadful , I decided to give it up.
> I stayed off booze for nearly eight years.
>
> When I began drinking again in August 2003 it did not take me long
> to discover that I had no control over my drinking. I'd sometimes say
> to myself that I won't drink today but I always did. I drank until I
> passed out and when I came to I'd often immediately start drinking.
>
> At the beginning of 2004, I suspected that the amount I was drinking
> was one of the reasons why I was feeling physically unwell, and unable
> mentally to cope with my life. When I told my doctor this, he agreed
> with my idea that I ought to stop drinking. Over the six months that
> it took me to reach the decision to stop and stop, people I knew and
> life in general seemed to become more unpleasant, more tiresome and
> more difficult. When I told my doctor this, he gave me
> antidepressants.
>
> When I gave up drinking in 2004, I was not too proud to admit that I
> was too weak to fight my addiction alone.
>
> At this time, I no longer suffer the deep depressions I had while
> drinking.
>
> I wish you well and HTH.
>
> JB
>
>
>

Hi JB. Your post made me think about when I was drinking and wanting to die.
In my head, I had my funeral planned out and I could see all those people
who had wronged me coming by and looking in my casket and crying
uncontrollably for what they had done to me. LOL! God, was that the ultimate
revenge to them! I wanted them to be as miserable as I was. What I didn't
want was for my family to be hurt that I had committed suicide and died. I
think that is one of the biggest reason's I didn't do it. I am so grateful
that I am alive today and am able to laugh at how I *thought* I had so much
control over other's. Fact is, none of those people would probably not have
shown up at my funeral. :)
Have a good evening,
Gail

[Blue Moon]

I have no idea why I quit drinking. I don't think it was pride,
guilt, shame, self-love or anything else, although I was too fearful
to go the suicide route (fear of failure). However, I do know how I
stayed stopped.

If you want to stop drinking, you might want some detox through your
doctor. If you're drinking whilst on the pills, he/she is probably
unaware of what's really going on. Alcoholics can be very deceptive,
dishonest people.

If you want to stay stopped, there's a bunch of things to do to ensure
you never need drink again.

--
Blue Moon

[Adrian]

Thank you for sharing, it shows that I am not the only one. There were a lot
of things said that I feel too.

I know that I will never be able to use someone elses reasons for stopping.
I stopped for 4 years and missed it, I missed a lot of what is assoicated
with drinking, not everything though :-)

Thanks for the advice about the docs, but here in the uk, once alcoholism is
on your medical record it can destroy you career and almost the same for
depression. You will become almost unemployable in any white collar job
after, how nice it is to live in a tolerant society where changing for the
better smacks you in the face. I have even had a doctor tell me that I
should drink, when I went to see them when I was dry!

I have come to the overall conclusion that I am not anywhere near ready to
stop, what happens next is anyones guess, and I may well end up in some very
familair situations to the rest of you. I hated what I was and did last time
I drank, and I am very concious of avoiding what I was. I have done pretty
well so far but..... far from perfect.

I cannot go to AA at the moment, because I have no intention of stopping,
and I will not make a mockery of something that works.

One thing that 4 years clean taught me, plus my ex-girlfriend (10 years
clean this year), is to be honest with myself. I think I do pretty well,
even though some of you pointed out some lies :-), thanks for the help.

What I would like to do, if the group agrees, is to lurk, make the
occaisional post, and to tell me when I am lying to myself. When I end up
lying to myself more then telling the truth, then I have a feeling that will
be the trigger to decided to give up. In one way its a real shit being a
functional alcoholic, you keep your house and job and kill you life with
booze.

Well, dont know what to say now, was trying to think of some witty drink
related lighthearted comment, but I can, plus they dont fit here.

PS I think I have been depressed most of my life, yes booze makes it worse,
but even for the 4 years clean, I was only moderatley happy. Suppose it is
the addict in me search for the high highs. Just wish I didn't have to pay
for the low lows :-). Says a man now with 10 odd sitches for a night out!!!

Thank you all, I love reading the posts here. They often make me cry, as I
know how they feel


Adrian

[Ron]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:02:22 +0000 (UTC), Adrian <nntp@bluedreamer.com>
wrote:

> What I would like to do, if the group agrees, is to lurk, make the
> occaisional post, and to tell me when I am lying to myself.

The day everyone in this group agrees on something, it should be etched
in stone, for it would surely indicate the discovery of some kind of
universal truth.

Meanwhile, lurk away. Lie too, if ya wanna. I'm sure someone will be
happy to call you on it.

--
AB5DB9CC

[neuro equipoise]

On - Wed, Apr 28, 2004, 8:02pm (EDT+4) nntp@bluedreamer.com (Adrian)
wrote:

> I think I have been depressed most of my life, yes > booze makes it
worse, but even for the 4 years
> clean, I was only moderatley happy. Suppose it is
> the addict in me search for the high highs. Just
> wish I didn't have to pay for the low lows :-).

In case you're interested in a nutritional approach, here's an excerpt:


"The Seven Kinds of Alcoholic Depression"

"As I noted earlier, at my clinic we have identified seven sources of
biochemical depression affecting alcoholics:

Neurotransmitter depletion
Unavailability of prostaglandin E1
Vitamin/mineral deficiency
Hypothyroidism
Hypoglycemia
Food and chemical allergies
Candida-related complex

[These may not only affect alcoholics but any of us who suffer from
depression.]"

http://www.trans4mind.com/nutrition/depression.html

[rosie]

just how much SAM E do you recommend?

--
rosie

"To announce that there must be no criticism of the president, or
that
we are to stand by the president right or wrong, is not only
unpatriotic
and servile, but is morally treasonable to the American public."
........................................T.Roosevel t





"neuro equipoise" <NeuroEquipoise@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:4476-409031F5-63@storefull-3272.bay.webtv.net...
: On - Wed, Apr 28, 2004, 8:02pm (EDT+4) nntp@bluedreamer.com
(Adrian)
: wrote:
:
: > I think I have been depressed most of my life, yes > booze makes
it
: worse, but even for the 4 years
: > clean, I was only moderatley happy. Suppose it is
: > the addict in me search for the high highs. Just
: > wish I didn't have to pay for the low lows :-).
:
: In case you're interested in a nutritional approach, here's an
excerpt:
:
:
: "The Seven Kinds of Alcoholic Depression"
:
: "As I noted earlier, at my clinic we have identified seven sources
of
: biochemical depression affecting alcoholics:
:
: Neurotransmitter depletion
: Unavailability of prostaglandin E1
: Vitamin/mineral deficiency
: Hypothyroidism
: Hypoglycemia
: Food and chemical allergies
: Candida-related complex
:
: [These may not only affect alcoholics but any of us who suffer
from
: depression.]"
:
: http://www.trans4mind.com/nutrition/depression.html
:

[Blue Moon]

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:02:22 +0000 (UTC), "Adrian"
<nntp@bluedreamer.com> wrote:

>I cannot go to AA at the moment, because I have no intention of stopping,
>and I will not make a mockery of something that works.

AA places no requirement on you to intend to stop. The question for
AA membership is not whether you intend to, or whether you have a
desire to. And you can be in an open AA meeting without having even
that desire.

--
Blue Moon

[Robert McGregor]

"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:83173b4846394937404a3f2ee126c1c5@news.teranew s.com...
> On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 20:02:22 +0000 (UTC), "Adrian"
> <nntp@bluedreamer.com> wrote:
>
> >I cannot go to AA at the moment, because I have no intention of
stopping,
> >and I will not make a mockery of something that works.
>
> AA places no requirement on you to intend to stop. The question for
> AA membership is not whether you intend to, or whether you have a
> desire to. And you can be in an open AA meeting without having even
> that desire.
>

Interesting that AA itself http://www.aa.org/ does not endorse that
question, Blue. Contemporary AA could not be more specific regarding
their membership. :- http://tinyurl.com/2eqbg 3. The only requirement
for A.A. membership is a desire to stop drinking.

Have you now replaced rosie http://tinyurl.com/25euz as "New York"
spokesperson?

Bob;-)

[neuro equipoise]

On - Thu, Apr 29, 2004, 12:15am (EDT+4) sorry@toomanyweirdo's.com
(rosie) wrote:

> just how much SAM E do you recommend?

Instead of SAMe, I use a high potency supplement containing amino acids
and methyl donors like betaine. The building blocks are there for the
body to make its own SAMe. The potency of the B-complex in the formula
is 100mg, to give you an idea. Have you tried SAMe?


Here's an excerpt:

"In ethanol-damaged livers there is a decrease in activity of
S-AdenosylMethionine*(SAMe) synthetase, the enzyme that synthesizes
SAMe from methionine. SAMe is the principal methylating agent in the
human body -- important for the synthesis of proteins & nucleic acids.
Deficiency of SAMe results in membrane damage, which further worsens
liver damage*[ANNUAL REVIEW OF NUTRITION 20:395-430 (2000)]. SAMe
provides a source of cysteine for GSH production."

http://www.benbest.com/health/alcohol.html

[rosie]

no, i have not used SAM E, but i know some people who do with good
results.

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that
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"neuro equipoise" <NeuroEquipoise@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:29983-40916925-228@storefull-3278.bay.webtv.net...
On - Thu, Apr 29, 2004, 12:15am (EDT+4) sorry@toomanyweirdo's.com
(rosie) wrote:

> just how much SAM E do you recommend?

Instead of SAMe, I use a high potency supplement containing amino
acids
and methyl donors like betaine. The building blocks are there for
the
body to make its own SAMe. The potency of the B-complex in the
formula
is 100mg, to give you an idea. Have you tried SAMe?


Here's an excerpt:

"In ethanol-damaged livers there is a decrease in activity of
S-AdenosylMethionine (SAMe) synthetase, the enzyme that synthesizes
SAMe from methionine. SAMe is the principal methylating agent in the
human body -- important for the synthesis of proteins & nucleic
acids.
Deficiency of SAMe results in membrane damage, which further worsens
liver damage [ANNUAL REVIEW OF NUTRITION 20:395-430 (2000)]. SAMe
provides a source of cysteine for GSH production."

http://www.benbest.com/health/alcohol.html