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Julie

04-14-2004, 09:38 PM

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> How morbid do you want your smarm to be?
>
> "patience to accept this hour of abstinence" "today is all i get!"
>
> That epitomises living in the problem, instead of living in the
> solution, exacerbated by denial of any promise of a better tomorrow.
>
> No wonder you will never be recovered. No wonder your happy pills keep
> "pooping."
> > Bob
>
Bob, Bob, Bob, I think I finally see what's bothering you about Rosie. She
takes anti-depressants!
Does that make her a hypocrite as far as you are concerned?
Read some of the info online about Prozac, Zoloft, and other
anti-depressants and get caught up to the year 2004 dear friend.
Anti-depressants are NOT happy pills Bob. They DO NOT induce some starry
eyed, brain fogged state like sedatives do or anti-anxiety drugs can.
I use insulin to maintain my glucose levels. Does that make a hypocrite as
well or a junkie because I have to inject it into my body? I hope you dont
think so, because if you do you have a serious flaw in your personality old
friend.
Live life to the fullest,
Julie
>
>
> "rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
> news:_pbfc.46442$YC5.15238@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> > i know that this daily meditation is from a "beginners" book, but i
> > sure love its message and its reminder, that today is all i get!
> > rosie
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
> > news:%Yafc.46435$YC5.45893@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > : Reflections for Beginners
> > : from
> > : 'Hour To Hour - The First 30 Days'
> > : - by Shelly Marshall
> > : the author of 'Day By Day' & other Meditation Books
> > :
> > :
> > :
> > :
> > : Just for today, live in the now. It's a 24 hour program and
> > : you only have to worry about this hour. This hour you are clean
> > and
> > : in the right place looking for and accepting help.
> > :
> > : Grant me the patience to accept this hour of abstinence
> > : without reservation.
> > :
> > :
> > :
> >
> >
>
>

Robert McGregor

04-14-2004, 10:28 PM

"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:c5jhq9$28fi6$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > How morbid do you want your smarm to be?
> >
> > "patience to accept this hour of abstinence" "today is all i get!"
> >
> > That epitomises living in the problem, instead of living in the
> > solution, exacerbated by denial of any promise of a better
tomorrow.
> >
> > No wonder you will never be recovered. No wonder your happy pills
keep
> > "pooping."
> > > Bob
> >
> Bob, Bob, Bob, I think I finally see what's bothering you about
Rosie. She
> takes anti-depressants!
> Does that make her a hypocrite as far as you are concerned?
> Read some of the info online about Prozac, Zoloft, and other
> anti-depressants and get caught up to the year 2004 dear friend.
> Anti-depressants are NOT happy pills Bob. They DO NOT induce some
starry
> eyed, brain fogged state like sedatives do or anti-anxiety drugs
can.
> I use insulin to maintain my glucose levels. Does that make a
hypocrite as
> well or a junkie because I have to inject it into my body? I hope
you dont
> think so, because if you do you have a serious flaw in your
personality old
> friend.
> Live life to the fullest,
> Julie

A transvestite living in the problem while waffling on about imagined
seriously flawed personality in others??????
http://blank.org/link/?q=1081995186

"Stop wasting your life searching for things to condemn others for and
listen
for the answers available to help you with your own problems." ??

Bob

Julie

04-15-2004, 01:11 AM

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:yIlfc.7150$l75.6528@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> >
> > "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:c5jhq9$28fi6$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > >
> > > How morbid do you want your smarm to be?
> > >
> > > "patience to accept this hour of abstinence" "today is all i get!"
> > >
> > > That epitomises living in the problem, instead of living in the
> > > solution, exacerbated by denial of any promise of a better
> tomorrow.
> > >
> > > No wonder you will never be recovered. No wonder your happy pills
> keep
> > > "pooping."
> > > > Bob
> > >
> > Bob, Bob, Bob, I think I finally see what's bothering you about
> Rosie. She
> > takes anti-depressants!
> > Does that make her a hypocrite as far as you are concerned?
> > Read some of the info online about Prozac, Zoloft, and other
> > anti-depressants and get caught up to the year 2004 dear friend.
> > Anti-depressants are NOT happy pills Bob. They DO NOT induce some
> starry
> > eyed, brain fogged state like sedatives do or anti-anxiety drugs
> can.
> > I use insulin to maintain my glucose levels. Does that make a
> hypocrite as
> > well or a junkie because I have to inject it into my body? I hope
> you dont
> > think so, because if you do you have a serious flaw in your
> personality old
> > friend.
> > Live life to the fullest,
> > Julie
>
> A transvestite living in the problem while waffling on about imagined
> seriously flawed personality in others??????
> http://blank.org/link/?q=1081995186
>
>
Good job Bob! You find yourself backed into a corner concerning what you
have said and then seek some childish way to defend yourself using slander
and bigotry. Yes, you managed to find something I wrote five years ago and
I wont deny it. There's plenty more for you to dig up if you want, but the
TRUTH is Bob, I wasn't a transvestite as you attempted to categorize me and
never will be. I was a person trying to find myself and attempting to deal
with life on life's terms. Since that time I have managed to say sober,
sought counseling, was encouraged to live as WHAT I am, and been on HRT for
sometime now to help me live as who I am, JULIE. Does that have anything to
do with the lies you repeatedly state about AA and sponsorship? NOT a
freaking thing "boy." You have not only proven your comments to be false,
but have also exposed the true shallowness of your being in what you have
just done. I will continue to pray that GOD will give you his wisdom.
Julie
>
>
> "Stop wasting your life searching for things to condemn others for and
> listen
> for the answers available to help you with your own problems." ??
>
> Bob
>
>
>

Robert McGregor

04-15-2004, 01:39 AM

"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> >
> > A transvestite living in the problem while waffling on about
imagined
> > seriously flawed personality in others??????
> > http://blank.org/link/?q=1081995186
> >
> >
> Good job Bob! You find yourself backed into a corner concerning
what you
> have said and then seek some childish way to defend yourself using
slander
> and bigotry.

It was a question, not a statement.

>Yes, you managed to find something I wrote five years ago and
> I wont deny it. There's plenty more for you to dig up if you want,
but the
> TRUTH is Bob, I wasn't a transvestite as you attempted to categorize
me and
> never will be. I was a person trying to find myself and attempting
to deal
> with life on life's terms.

That's not evidence of a seriously flawed personality??????

Bob

Robert McGregor

04-15-2004, 04:26 AM

rosie

04-15-2004, 09:20 AM

julie,
you waste your time with
MCGOOGLE.......................................

--
rosie

http://airamericaradio.com/www/pub/globalDefault.htm
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4709863/
http://makeashorterlink.com/?F35514208

"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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:
: "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
: news:c5krsr$2s4t6$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
: >
: > "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
: > news:yIlfc.7150$l75.6528@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
: > >
: > > "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
message
: > > news:c5jhq9$28fi6$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
: > > >
: > > > How morbid do you want your smarm to be?
: > > >
: > > > "patience to accept this hour of abstinence" "today is all i
get!"
: > > >
: > > > That epitomises living in the problem, instead of living in
the
: > > > solution, exacerbated by denial of any promise of a better
: > tomorrow.
: > > >
: > > > No wonder you will never be recovered. No wonder your happy
pills
: > keep
: > > > "pooping."
: > > > > Bob
: > > >
: > > Bob, Bob, Bob, I think I finally see what's bothering you
about
: > Rosie. She
: > > takes anti-depressants!
: > > Does that make her a hypocrite as far as you are concerned?
: > > Read some of the info online about Prozac, Zoloft, and other
: > > anti-depressants and get caught up to the year 2004 dear
friend.
: > > Anti-depressants are NOT happy pills Bob. They DO NOT induce
some
: > starry
: > > eyed, brain fogged state like sedatives do or anti-anxiety
drugs
: > can.
: > > I use insulin to maintain my glucose levels. Does that make a
: > hypocrite as
: > > well or a junkie because I have to inject it into my body? I
hope
: > you dont
: > > think so, because if you do you have a serious flaw in your
: > personality old
: > > friend.
: > > Live life to the fullest,
: > > Julie
: >
: > A transvestite living in the problem while waffling on about
imagined
: > seriously flawed personality in others??????
: > http://blank.org/link/?q=1081995186
: >
: >
: Good job Bob! You find yourself backed into a corner concerning
what you
: have said and then seek some childish way to defend yourself using
slander
: and bigotry. Yes, you managed to find something I wrote five
years ago and
: I wont deny it. There's plenty more for you to dig up if you
want, but the
: TRUTH is Bob, I wasn't a transvestite as you attempted to
categorize me and
: never will be. I was a person trying to find myself and
attempting to deal
: with life on life's terms. Since that time I have managed to say
sober,
: sought counseling, was encouraged to live as WHAT I am, and been
on HRT for
: sometime now to help me live as who I am, JULIE. Does that have
anything to
: do with the lies you repeatedly state about AA and sponsorship?
NOT a
: freaking thing "boy." You have not only proven your comments to
be false,
: but have also exposed the true shallowness of your being in what
you have
: just done. I will continue to pray that GOD will give you his
wisdom.
: Julie
: >
: >
: > "Stop wasting your life searching for things to condemn others
for and
: > listen
: > for the answers available to help you with your own problems."
??
: >
: > Bob
: >
: >
: >
:
:

Robert McGregor

04-15-2004, 09:25 AM

"rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
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> julie,
> you waste your time with
> MCGOOGLE.......................................
>
rosie read and post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> you know the deal......................."those that can't, call
> names!"

rosie

04-15-2004, 09:28 AM

: Bob, Bob, Bob, I think I finally see what's bothering you about
Rosie. She
: takes anti-depressants!
: Does that make her a hypocrite as far as you are concerned?
:

dear, dear, julie...............you are wasting your breath, and
giving away your energy.........................energy that could
well be spent on your healing and speed your Hep. recovery.

there are a lot of things about me, that bother MCGOOGLE, including
the fact that i know the truth about him, and he is quite
uncomfortable with that.

the malcontents in here, have found a step in the program that says:
"turn you will and your life, over to the care of GOOGLE.
................and they have.

how are you feeling today?
rosie

Robert McGregor

04-15-2004, 09:45 AM

"rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
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>>
> there are a lot of things about me, that bother MCGOOGLE, including
> the fact that i know the truth about him, and he is quite
> uncomfortable with that.
>

Jeez, you are a blithering idiot!

While you cower behind your kill file, any of my comfort, regarding
truth about me, could never be disturbed by an impostor like you

Bob

Aspitwo

04-15-2004, 12:55 PM

Can't someone get rid of that moron Bob?

04-15-2004, 02:20 PM

"Aspitwo" <aspitwo@aol.com> wrote in message
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> Can't someone get rid of that moron Bob?

Hi Neville,

Where have you been ? How have you been keeping ?

JB

Julie

04-15-2004, 02:34 PM

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:WPofc.7257$l75.1404@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> > >
> > > A transvestite living in the problem while waffling on about
> imagined
> > > seriously flawed personality in others??????
> > > http://blank.org/link/?q=1081995186
> > >
> > >
> > Good job Bob! You find yourself backed into a corner concerning
> what you
> > have said and then seek some childish way to defend yourself using
> slander
> > and bigotry.
>
> It was a question, not a statement.
>
> >Yes, you managed to find something I wrote five years ago and
> > I wont deny it. There's plenty more for you to dig up if you want,
> but the
> > TRUTH is Bob, I wasn't a transvestite as you attempted to categorize
> me and
> > never will be. I was a person trying to find myself and attempting
> to deal
> > with life on life's terms.
>
> That's not evidence of a seriously flawed personality??????
> Bob
>
"Flawed personality? When I got sober and worked the steps with my "SPONSOR"
I accepted my flaws, admitted the exact nature of my wrongs to God and my
SPONSOR, became ready to have God remove these defects of character, humbly
ask God to remove my shortcomings, made amends to those I had harmed,
continued to take my personal inventory and promptly admitted when I was
wrong, continued to seek a constant contact with God through prayer and
meditation, and having a spiritual awakening as a result of these steps I
have tried to carry this message other suffering alcoholics and to practice
spiritual principles in all of my affairs.
My gender issues were indeed painful and difficult, but that does not leave
me with a seriously flawed personality Bob.
The facts about my gender and sexual preferences may point out several
issues with YOUR flawed personality, but that is YOUR problem to deal with.
Julie
>
>
>
>

Julie

04-15-2004, 03:10 PM

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:yIlfc.7150$l75.6528@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> >
> > "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> > news:c5jhq9$28fi6$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > >
> > > How morbid do you want your smarm to be?
> > >
> > > "patience to accept this hour of abstinence" "today is all i get!"
> > >
> > > That epitomises living in the problem, instead of living in the
> > > solution, exacerbated by denial of any promise of a better
> tomorrow.
> snip>
> >Does that make a hypocrite as
> > well or a junkie because I have to inject it into my body? I hope
> you dont
> > think so, because if you do you have a serious flaw in your
> personality old
> > friend.
>
> "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:G6mfc.7169$l75.743@newsread2.news.atl.earthli nk.net...
> > Stop wasting your life searching for things to condemn others for
> and listen
> > for the answers available to help you with your own problems.
>
> Ever thought of taking your own advice?
>
> Bob
>
I'm nearly through exposing the lies you cast over AA Bob. When I'm through
with this I will move on.
Julie
>

Julie

04-15-2004, 03:20 PM

"rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
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> julie,
> you waste your time with
> MCGOOGLE.......................................
>
> --
> rosie
>
No need to be concerned Rosie. I'm about through with this and Bob.
Julie
>
> http://airamericaradio.com/www/pub/globalDefault.htm
> http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/4709863/
> http://makeashorterlink.com/?F35514208
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:WPofc.7257$l75.1404@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> :
> : "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> : news:c5krsr$2s4t6$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : >
> : > "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> : > news:yIlfc.7150$l75.6528@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> : > >
> : > > "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
> message
> : > > news:c5jhq9$28fi6$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : > > >
> : > > > How morbid do you want your smarm to be?
> : > > >
> : > > > "patience to accept this hour of abstinence" "today is all i
> get!"
> : > > >
> : > > > That epitomises living in the problem, instead of living in
> the
> : > > > solution, exacerbated by denial of any promise of a better
> : > tomorrow.
> : > > >
> : > > > No wonder you will never be recovered. No wonder your happy
> pills
> : > keep
> : > > > "pooping."
> : > > > > Bob
> : > > >
> : > > Bob, Bob, Bob, I think I finally see what's bothering you
> about
> : > Rosie. She
> : > > takes anti-depressants!
> : > > Does that make her a hypocrite as far as you are concerned?
> : > > Read some of the info online about Prozac, Zoloft, and other
> : > > anti-depressants and get caught up to the year 2004 dear
> friend.
> : > > Anti-depressants are NOT happy pills Bob. They DO NOT induce
> some
> : > starry
> : > > eyed, brain fogged state like sedatives do or anti-anxiety
> drugs
> : > can.
> : > > I use insulin to maintain my glucose levels. Does that make a
> : > hypocrite as
> : > > well or a junkie because I have to inject it into my body? I
> hope
> : > you dont
> : > > think so, because if you do you have a serious flaw in your
> : > personality old
> : > > friend.
> : > > Live life to the fullest,
> : > > Julie
> : >
> : > A transvestite living in the problem while waffling on about
> imagined
> : > seriously flawed personality in others??????
> : > http://blank.org/link/?q=1081995186
> : >
> : >
> : Good job Bob! You find yourself backed into a corner concerning
> what you
> : have said and then seek some childish way to defend yourself using
> slander
> : and bigotry. Yes, you managed to find something I wrote five
> years ago and
> : I wont deny it. There's plenty more for you to dig up if you
> want, but the
> : TRUTH is Bob, I wasn't a transvestite as you attempted to
> categorize me and
> : never will be. I was a person trying to find myself and
> attempting to deal
> : with life on life's terms. Since that time I have managed to say
> sober,
> : sought counseling, was encouraged to live as WHAT I am, and been
> on HRT for
> : sometime now to help me live as who I am, JULIE. Does that have
> anything to
> : do with the lies you repeatedly state about AA and sponsorship?
> NOT a
> : freaking thing "boy." You have not only proven your comments to
> be false,
> : but have also exposed the true shallowness of your being in what
> you have
> : just done. I will continue to pray that GOD will give you his
> wisdom.
> : Julie
> : >
> : >
> : > "Stop wasting your life searching for things to condemn others
> for and
> : > listen
> : > for the answers available to help you with your own problems."
> ??
> : >
> : > Bob
> : >
> : >
> : >
> :
> :
>
>

Julie

04-15-2004, 03:22 PM

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
> news:z_vfc.97249$4B1.33797@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > julie,
> > you waste your time with
> > MCGOOGLE.......................................
> >
> rosie read and post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:K52wb.69200$Eq1.61799@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> > you know the deal......................."those that can't, call
> > names!"
>
And this means what?
If you have something to say, sat it. We wouldn't want to misunderstand
your point.
Julie
>

rosie

04-15-2004, 03:24 PM

"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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:
: "rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
: news:z_vfc.97249$4B1.33797@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
: > julie,
: > you waste your time with
: > MCGOOGLE.......................................
: >
: > --
: > rosie
: >
: No need to be concerned Rosie. I'm about through with this and
Bob.
: Julie
: >

i hope that folks like mcgoogle will not chase you
away....................your knowledge of AA and your sharing are a
great asset in here!

rosie

Julie

04-15-2004, 03:26 PM

"rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
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> : Bob, Bob, Bob, I think I finally see what's bothering you about
> Rosie. She
> : takes anti-depressants!
> : Does that make her a hypocrite as far as you are concerned?
> :
>
> dear, dear, julie...............you are wasting your breath, and
> giving away your energy.........................energy that could
> well be spent on your healing and speed your Hep. recovery.
>
> there are a lot of things about me, that bother MCGOOGLE, including
> the fact that i know the truth about him, and he is quite
> uncomfortable with that.
>
>
> the malcontents in here, have found a step in the program that says:
> "turn you will and your life, over to the care of GOOGLE.
> ...............and they have.
>
> how are you feeling today?
> rosie
>
I seemed to have used this desire to respond to Bob bullshit about AA as a
means to get past the side effects I'm dealing with these last two days. My
body is paying a high price to kill off this nasty virus (Hep C), but it is
more than worth it and the drugs are kicking its ass.
You have a good heart and thank for your concern Rosie,
Julie
>

rosie

04-15-2004, 03:28 PM

your welcome julie!
and your right, i DO have a good heart!
;)

--
rosie

http://airamericaradio.com/www/pub/globalDefault.htm
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http://makeashorterlink.com/?F35514208

"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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:
: "rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
: news:l6wfc.97303$4B1.85341@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
: > : Bob, Bob, Bob, I think I finally see what's bothering you
about
: > Rosie. She
: > : takes anti-depressants!
: > : Does that make her a hypocrite as far as you are concerned?
: > :
: >
: > dear, dear, julie...............you are wasting your breath, and
: > giving away your energy.........................energy that
could
: > well be spent on your healing and speed your Hep. recovery.
: >
: > there are a lot of things about me, that bother MCGOOGLE,
including
: > the fact that i know the truth about him, and he is quite
: > uncomfortable with that.
: >
: >
: > the malcontents in here, have found a step in the program that
says:
: > "turn you will and your life, over to the care of GOOGLE.
: > ...............and they have.
: >
: > how are you feeling today?
: > rosie
: >
: I seemed to have used this desire to respond to Bob bullshit about
AA as a
: means to get past the side effects I'm dealing with these last two
days. My
: body is paying a high price to kill off this nasty virus (Hep C),
but it is
: more than worth it and the drugs are kicking its ass.
: You have a good heart and thank for your concern Rosie,
: Julie
: >
:
:

Julie

04-15-2004, 03:32 PM

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:c5m3ig$3726f$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> "rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
> news:l6wfc.97303$4B1.85341@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >>
> > there are a lot of things about me, that bother MCGOOGLE, including
> > the fact that i know the truth about him, and he is quite
> > uncomfortable with that.
> >
>
> Jeez, you are a blithering idiot!
>
> While you cower behind your kill file, any of my comfort, regarding
> truth about me, could never be disturbed by an impostor like you
>
> Bob
>
Sounds like someone hit a nerve maybe?
Julie
>
>

Blue Moon

04-15-2004, 03:36 PM

On 15 Apr 2004 16:55:44 GMT, aspitwo@aol.com (Aspitwo) wrote:

>Can't someone get rid of that moron Bob?

No.
--
Blue Moon

Julie

04-15-2004, 03:45 PM

"Aspitwo" <aspitwo@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040415125544.08083.00000446@mb-m11.aol.com...
> Can't someone get rid of that moron Bob?
>
Getting rid of him would not prosper him or us actually. His lies and
projected emotional issues about AA need to be discussed from time to time.
Before I made it to AA and actually "worked" the steps with a sponsor I also
had several misplaced thoughts about what AA was about and why they did what
they did. I only respond to his comments so others NG members will have the
opportunity to hear about what really happens at AA. Bob will not change
unless he has a stroke and forgets all these preconceived ideas (not the
best way) or get honest enough with himself to actually attend meetings and
to do what AA suggests. Only then will he be able to see through his own
justifications and misguided thoughts.
Julie
>

04-15-2004, 04:04 PM

"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:rDBfc.7748$l75.2752@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
>
> "Aspitwo" <aspitwo@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040415125544.08083.00000446@mb-m11.aol.com...
> > Can't someone get rid of that moron Bob?
> >
> Getting rid of him would not prosper him or us actually. His lies
and
> projected emotional issues about AA need to be discussed from time
to time.
> Before I made it to AA and actually "worked" the steps with a
sponsor I also
> had several misplaced thoughts about what AA was about and why they
did what
> they did. I only respond to his comments so others NG members will
have the
> opportunity to hear about what really happens at AA. Bob will not
change
> unless he has a stroke and forgets all these preconceived ideas (not
the
> best way) or get honest enough with himself to actually attend
meetings and
> to do what AA suggests. Only then will he be able to see through his
own
> justifications and misguided thoughts.
> Julie
> >

LOL,

Is this the best you can do to demonstrate that you are the kind of
loving, tolerant, patient, understanding, honest person that AA's 12
Step programme appears designed to encourage those who work it to
become ?

JB

Jonathan Bratt

04-15-2004, 04:08 PM

In message <CAAfc.7715$l75.6126@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.n et>, Julie
<Julie919@earthlink.net> writes
>The facts about my gender and sexual preferences may point out several
>issues with YOUR flawed personality, but that is YOUR problem to deal
>with. Julie

Robert used to get his kicks a while back by calling me 'faggot'. He's
really not worth one bead of sweat.
--
Jonathan Bratt

Jonathan Bratt

04-15-2004, 04:09 PM

In message <20040415125544.08083.00000446@mb-m11.aol.com>, Aspitwo
<aspitwo@aol.com> writes
>Can't someone get rid of that moron Bob?

Oh come on - village idiots serve _some_ purpose surely? :-)
--
Jonathan Bratt

Jonathan Bratt

04-15-2004, 04:11 PM

In message <c5mpfr$rhc$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, JB <JBCatRB@coldman.com>
writes
>s this the best you can do to demonstrate that you are the kind of
>loving, tolerant, patient, understanding, honest person that AA's 12
>Step programme appears designed to encourage those who work it to
>become ?
Oh - you mean like Bob? Right.
--
Jonathan Bratt

Robert McGregor

04-15-2004, 05:56 PM

"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:rDBfc.7748$l75.2752@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
>
> "Aspitwo" <aspitwo@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040415125544.08083.00000446@mb-m11.aol.com...
> > Can't someone get rid of that moron Bob?
> >
> Getting rid of him would not prosper him or us actually. His lies
and
> projected emotional issues about AA need to be discussed from time
to time.
> Before I made it to AA and actually "worked" the steps with a
sponsor I also
> had several misplaced thoughts about what AA was about and why they
did what
> they did. I only respond to his comments so others NG members will
have the
> opportunity to hear about what really happens at AA. Bob will not
change
> unless he has a stroke and forgets all these preconceived ideas (not
the
> best way) or get honest enough with himself to actually attend
meetings and
> to do what AA suggests. Only then will he be able to see through his
own
> justifications and misguided thoughts.
> Julie
> >

"Do what AA suggests"?

Given much of the suggestion at AA is made by folk dropping in there
between benders, no wonder you're confused about more than your
gender.

(AA Around Australia. Spring Edition No 90. October 1994)
"A well conducted professional study," (page19) that showed "some 5%
of newcomers are still attending meetings after 12 months. This is a
truly terrible statistic". (page 2)

Bob

Robert McGregor

04-15-2004, 06:01 PM

"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:vrBfc.7741$l75.6718@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:c5m3ig$3726f$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
> > news:l6wfc.97303$4B1.85341@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > >>
> > > there are a lot of things about me, that bother MCGOOGLE,
including
> > > the fact that i know the truth about him, and he is quite
> > > uncomfortable with that.
> > >
> >
> > Jeez, you are a blithering idiot!
> >
> > While you cower behind your kill file, any of my comfort,
regarding
> > truth about me, could never be disturbed by an impostor like you
> >
> > Bob
> >
> Sounds like someone hit a nerve maybe?
> Julie
> >

Nah, she thinks she knows why I left "the hive" but she doesn't have
the slightest clue. The stupid bitch is probly so drugged she wouldn't
know what a nerve was.

Bob

Robert McGregor

04-15-2004, 06:10 PM

"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:o6Bfc.7727$l75.1758@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
>
> >
> I'm nearly through exposing the lies you cast over AA Bob. When I'm
through
> with this I will move on.
> Julie
> >

Nah, I don't need to lie about AA with fucked up examples like you and
rosie right here.

Bob

04-15-2004, 06:14 PM

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:mK2GBACdxufAFwHh@aol.com...
> In message <c5mpfr$rhc$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, JB
<JBCatRB@coldman.com>
> writes
> >s this the best you can do to demonstrate that you are the kind of
> >loving, tolerant, patient, understanding, honest person that AA's
12
> >Step programme appears designed to encourage those who work it to
> >become ?
> Oh - you mean like Bob? Right.
> --
> Jonathan Bratt

No. When I wrote the above, I was not comparing Julie's behaviour
with that of anyone I know. I continue to not do so. What I've
talked about are, I believe, some general principles which AAers' are
encouraged to incorporate into their lives.

JB

rosie

04-15-2004, 06:32 PM

: "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
: news:c5m3ig$3726f$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
: >
: > "rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
: > news:l6wfc.97303$4B1.85341@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
: > >>
: > > there are a lot of things about me, that bother MCGOOGLE,
including
: > > the fact that i know the truth about him, and he is quite
: > > uncomfortable with that.
: > >
: >
: > Jeez, you are a blithering idiot!
: >
: > While you cower behind your kill file, any of my comfort,
regarding
: > truth about me, could never be disturbed by an impostor like you
: >
: > Bob
: >
: Sounds like someone hit a nerve maybe?
: Julie

YUP!
robert is NOT what he wants folks to believe he
is.............................

Robert McGregor

04-15-2004, 06:58 PM

"rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
news:X3Efc.98168$4B1.41348@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> YUP!
> robert is NOT what he wants folks to believe he
> is.............................
>

You are even a failure as a gossip merchant, apparently too drugged to
come up with any merchandise.

Bob

Julie

04-15-2004, 07:52 PM

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:c5mpfr$rhc$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
> "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:rDBfc.7748$l75.2752@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> >
> > "Aspitwo" <aspitwo@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20040415125544.08083.00000446@mb-m11.aol.com...
> > > Can't someone get rid of that moron Bob?
> > >
> > Getting rid of him would not prosper him or us actually. His lies
> and
> > projected emotional issues about AA need to be discussed from time
> to time.
> > Before I made it to AA and actually "worked" the steps with a
> sponsor I also
> > had several misplaced thoughts about what AA was about and why they
> did what
> > they did. I only respond to his comments so others NG members will
> have the
> > opportunity to hear about what really happens at AA. Bob will not
> change
> > unless he has a stroke and forgets all these preconceived ideas (not
> the
> > best way) or get honest enough with himself to actually attend
> meetings and
> > to do what AA suggests. Only then will he be able to see through his
> own
> > justifications and misguided thoughts.
> > Julie
> > >
>
> LOL,
>
> Is this the best you can do to demonstrate that you are the kind of
> loving, tolerant, patient, understanding, honest person that AA's 12
> Step programme appears designed to encourage those who work it to
> become ?
>
> JB
>
Considering the slanderous lies you speak about a program that saved my life
and has helped to save over a million other alcoholics, Yes I think I have
been a very "loving, tolerant, patient, understanding, honest person," and
factual as well. I have tolerated your negative garbage for months since I
first realized what you are and I made a decision yesterday (not an
emotional reaction) to challenge your lies about AA and to let everyone who
would listen. You put down other people here and slander AA nearly everyday
in this news group only because you disagree with AA's way of dong things so
I do not see why you should protest my legitimate challenges to your
statements Bob. I even supported the lowly place you have here in the news
group by saying that it would be bad for us if you let. Sounds pretty
tolerant to me, what you want is some acknowledgement that your twisted
comments are true and well founded. Well, they are not, and I have no
intension of letting them slide today!
Julie

>

Julie

04-15-2004, 07:56 PM

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:TarLVrAouufAFwgj@aol.com...
> In message <CAAfc.7715$l75.6126@newsread2.news.atl.earthlink.n et>, Julie
> <Julie919@earthlink.net> writes
> >The facts about my gender and sexual preferences may point out several
> >issues with YOUR flawed personality, but that is YOUR problem to deal
> >with. Julie
>
> Robert used to get his kicks a while back by calling me 'faggot'. He's
> really not worth one bead of sweat.
> --
> Jonathan Bratt
>
>
Yes, I made note of that and this is another display of his closed
mindedness and shallow personality.
Thanks for your comments Jonathan,
Julie

Julie

04-15-2004, 07:57 PM

"Jonathan Bratt" <jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote in message
news:mK2GBACdxufAFwHh@aol.com...
> In message <c5mpfr$rhc$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk>, JB <JBCatRB@coldman.com>
> writes
> >s this the best you can do to demonstrate that you are the kind of
> >loving, tolerant, patient, understanding, honest person that AA's 12
> >Step programme appears designed to encourage those who work it to
> >become ?
> Oh - you mean like Bob? Right.
> --
> Jonathan Bratt
>
Yeah, you got a point there Jonathan.
Julie
>

04-15-2004, 08:27 PM

"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:pfFfc.10318$zj3.502@newsread3.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> Considering the slanderous lies you speak about a program that saved
my life
> and has helped to save over a million other alcoholics,

What the hell are you talking about.

I've been in AA about 8 months and am working it's 12 Step Programme
for the first time. FWIW, I think the programme is the right
programme for me.

>Yes I think I have
> been a very "loving, tolerant, patient, understanding, honest
person," and
> factual as well. I have tolerated your negative garbage for months
since I
> first realized what you are and I made a decision yesterday (not an
> emotional reaction) to challenge your lies about AA and to let
everyone who
> would listen. You put down other people here and slander AA nearly
everyday
> in this news group only because you disagree with AA's way of dong
things so
> I do not see why you should protest my legitimate challenges to your
> statements Bob. I even supported the lowly place you have here in
the news
> group by saying that it would be bad for us if you let. Sounds
pretty
> tolerant to me, what you want is some acknowledgement that your
twisted
> comments are true and well founded. Well, they are not, and I have
no
> intension of letting them slide today!
> Julie

Ah now I understand. For the record I am not Bob McG posting under a
dfferent name but rather JB who's a married lady who lives in the UK..

JB

>
> >
>
>

Julie

04-15-2004, 08:43 PM

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:c5n0cn$3kns8$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:rDBfc.7748$l75.2752@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> >
> > "Aspitwo" <aspitwo@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:20040415125544.08083.00000446@mb-m11.aol.com...
> > > Can't someone get rid of that moron Bob?
> > >
> > Getting rid of him would not prosper him or us actually. His lies
> and
> > projected emotional issues about AA need to be discussed from time
> to time.
> > Before I made it to AA and actually "worked" the steps with a
> sponsor I also
> > had several misplaced thoughts about what AA was about and why they
> did what
> > they did. I only respond to his comments so others NG members will
> have the
> > opportunity to hear about what really happens at AA. Bob will not
> change
> > unless he has a stroke and forgets all these preconceived ideas (not
> the
> > best way) or get honest enough with himself to actually attend
> meetings and
> > to do what AA suggests. Only then will he be able to see through his
> own
> > justifications and misguided thoughts.
> > Julie
> > >
>
> "Do what AA suggests"?
>
> Given much of the suggestion at AA is made by folk dropping in there
> between benders, no wonder you're confused about more than your
> gender.
>
AA is made up of people that desire to stop drinking Bob. Your assessment
that AA members are made up of "folk dropping in there between benders" is
yet another comment that shows your closed minded attitude about AA and that
you have no valid experience with AA.
Oh Bob, I don't want to forget to remind you that there goes that closed
minded defense tactic of yours again. My gender difficulties has nothing to
do with the discussion, but you still insist on using slander as a tool to
defend your lies about AA when you find your lies have been exposed are that
you have backed yourself into a corner again.
>
> (AA Around Australia. Spring Edition No 90. October 1994)
> "A well conducted professional study," (page19) that showed "some 5%
> of newcomers are still attending meetings after 12 months. This is a
> truly terrible statistic". (page 2)
> Bob
No quote given Bob. Page 2 of what? Why not? Could it be that no outside
source could conduct a valid study about AA's success rates becasue AA does
not keep such information about their members to protect their animinity?
I guess someone could have created a study and called it invalid, but that
informaton would be just more lies wouldnt it?
Just so you know, someone who has been stayting sober and attending meeting
for a year would NOT be considered a NEWCOMER in AA groups that I attend
Bob.
Julie
>

Julie

04-15-2004, 08:49 PM

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:c5n16d$3gtkv$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:o6Bfc.7727$l75.1758@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> >
> > >
> > I'm nearly through exposing the lies you cast over AA Bob. When I'm
> through
> > with this I will move on.
> > Julie
> > >
>
> Nah, I don't need to lie about AA with fucked up examples like you and
> rosie right here.
> Bob
>
Hmmm....if fucked up is tolerating your abuse for months at a stretch
without addressing your slander and foul mouth, attempting to help others to
have a real idea of what AA has to offer, and activiely working with
suffering alcoholics to help them find the life they deserve then you can
call me Ms Julie Fucked up all you want dear Bob.
Prayers for you,
Julie

>

Robert McGregor

04-15-2004, 09:02 PM

"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:R_Ffc.10360$zj3.8479@newsread3.news.atl.earth link.net...
>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:c5n0cn$3kns8$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:rDBfc.7748$l75.2752@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> > >
> > > "Aspitwo" <aspitwo@aol.com> wrote in message
> > > news:20040415125544.08083.00000446@mb-m11.aol.com...
> > > > Can't someone get rid of that moron Bob?
> > > >
> > > Getting rid of him would not prosper him or us actually. His
lies
> > and
> > > projected emotional issues about AA need to be discussed from
time
> > to time.
> > > Before I made it to AA and actually "worked" the steps with a
> > sponsor I also
> > > had several misplaced thoughts about what AA was about and why
they
> > did what
> > > they did. I only respond to his comments so others NG members
will
> > have the
> > > opportunity to hear about what really happens at AA. Bob will
not
> > change
> > > unless he has a stroke and forgets all these preconceived ideas
(not
> > the
> > > best way) or get honest enough with himself to actually attend
> > meetings and
> > > to do what AA suggests. Only then will he be able to see through
his
> > own
> > > justifications and misguided thoughts.
> > > Julie
> > > >
> >
> > "Do what AA suggests"?
> >
> > Given much of the suggestion at AA is made by folk dropping in
there
> > between benders, no wonder you're confused about more than your
> > gender.
> >
> AA is made up of people that desire to stop drinking Bob. Your
assessment
> that AA members are made up of "folk dropping in there between
benders" is
> yet another comment that shows your closed minded attitude about AA
and that
> you have no valid experience with AA.
> Oh Bob, I don't want to forget to remind you that there goes that
closed
> minded defense tactic of yours again. My gender difficulties has
nothing to
> do with the discussion, but you still insist on using slander as a
tool to
> defend your lies about AA when you find your lies have been exposed
are that
> you have backed yourself into a corner again.

Although I merely asked a question about your transexual confusion,
your gender "difficulties" did have everything to do with adding
perspective to a discusion in which you "slandered" me over presumed
personal problems.

I attended AA for years, even your paranoid pal rosie, (unaware there
were first hand observers here on usenet) raved on with supposed
information about me being kicked out of AA. What I wrote about AA is
no lie at all, as documented in AA's own publication.

> >
> > (AA Around Australia. Spring Edition No 90. October 1994)
> > "A well conducted professional study," (page19) that showed "some
5%
> > of newcomers are still attending meetings after 12 months. This is
a
> > truly terrible statistic". (page 2)
> > Bob
> No quote given Bob. Page 2 of what?

Are you completely insane? Of AA Around Australia. Spring Edition No
90. October 1994

Bob

Julie

04-15-2004, 09:07 PM

"rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
news:X3Efc.98168$4B1.41348@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> : "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> : news:c5m3ig$3726f$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> : >
> : > "rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
> : > news:l6wfc.97303$4B1.85341@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> : > >>
> : > > there are a lot of things about me, that bother MCGOOGLE,
> including
> : > > the fact that i know the truth about him, and he is quite
> : > > uncomfortable with that.
> : > >
> : >
> : > Jeez, you are a blithering idiot!
> : >
> : > While you cower behind your kill file, any of my comfort,
> regarding
> : > truth about me, could never be disturbed by an impostor like you
> : >
> : > Bob
> : >
> : Sounds like someone hit a nerve maybe?
> : Julie
>
>
> YUP!
> robert is NOT what he wants folks to believe he
> is.............................
>
I faced the reality of my actions when I worked the steps and took action to
correct them, but Bob has refused to use these spiritual tools that AA has
to help him honestly see his shortcomings and faults. I bear no hatred
towards Bob or other sick individuals. In meetings people will who have such
issues either go back to continue their drinking or clean up this twisted
thinking by working the steps with a sponsor that help them to be honest. In
this detached forum I feel that the news group has an obligation to present
facts and our personal experiences about recovery and I do not think that it
is wise to allow such slanderous comments about AA, Smart Recovery, other
recovery program, or ANY individual who posts here to go unchallenged to
long. My experience in recovery is in AA and that is what I share. I do
not slander other recovery groups, hospital, or institutions, but I will not
ignore comments like Bob has been making without challenging him from time
to time.
Don't Drink, Go to Meetings, and Work the Steps? This is what I know, and
this is what I share.
Julie

04-15-2004, 09:09 PM

"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:l4Gfc.10367$zj3.5678@newsread3.news.atl.earth link.net...
>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:c5n16d$3gtkv$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> > news:o6Bfc.7727$l75.1758@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> > >
> > > >
> > > I'm nearly through exposing the lies you cast over AA Bob. When
I'm
> > through
> > > with this I will move on.
> > > Julie
> > > >
> >
> > Nah, I don't need to lie about AA with fucked up examples like you
and
> > rosie right here.
> > Bob
> >
> Hmmm....if fucked up is tolerating your abuse for months at a
stretch
> without addressing your slander and foul mouth, attempting to help
others to
> have a real idea of what AA has to offer, and activiely working with
> suffering alcoholics to help them find the life they deserve then
you can
> call me Ms Julie Fucked up all you want dear Bob.
> Prayers for you,
> Julie
>
Julie,

Your posts yesterday and today have given me the impression that you
are mentally "out of sorts". It appears to me that the wrod that best
describes your behaviour is "manic". It may not be the right word.

I don't mind if you disagree with my opinion.

JB

Robert McGregor

04-15-2004, 09:12 PM

Pot Kettle Black!

Bob

"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
> news:X3Efc.98168$4B1.41348@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> >
> > : "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
message
> > : news:c5m3ig$3726f$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> > : >
> > : > "rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
> > : > news:l6wfc.97303$4B1.85341@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > : > >>
> > : > > there are a lot of things about me, that bother MCGOOGLE,
> > including
> > : > > the fact that i know the truth about him, and he is quite
> > : > > uncomfortable with that.
> > : > >
> > : >
> > : > Jeez, you are a blithering idiot!
> > : >
> > : > While you cower behind your kill file, any of my comfort,
> > regarding
> > : > truth about me, could never be disturbed by an impostor like
you
> > : >
> > : > Bob
> > : >
> > : Sounds like someone hit a nerve maybe?
> > : Julie
> >
> >
> > YUP!
> > robert is NOT what he wants folks to believe he
> > is.............................
> >
> I faced the reality of my actions when I worked the steps and took
action to
> correct them, but Bob has refused to use these spiritual tools that
AA has
> to help him honestly see his shortcomings and faults. I bear no
hatred
> towards Bob or other sick individuals. In meetings people will who
have such
> issues either go back to continue their drinking or clean up this
twisted
> thinking by working the steps with a sponsor that help them to be
honest. In
> this detached forum I feel that the news group has an obligation to
present
> facts and our personal experiences about recovery and I do not think
that it
> is wise to allow such slanderous comments about AA, Smart Recovery,
other
> recovery program, or ANY individual who posts here to go
unchallenged to
> long. My experience in recovery is in AA and that is what I share.
I do
> not slander other recovery groups, hospital, or institutions, but I
will not
> ignore comments like Bob has been making without challenging him
from time
> to time.
> Don't Drink, Go to Meetings, and Work the Steps? This is what I
know, and
> this is what I share.
> Julie
>
>

Julie

04-15-2004, 09:28 PM

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
> news:X3Efc.98168$4B1.41348@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > YUP!
> > robert is NOT what he wants folks to believe he
> > is.............................
> >
>
> You are even a failure as a gossip merchant, apparently too drugged to
> come up with any merchandise.
>
> Bob
>
>
Or maybe she is just to nice of a person to do things your way Bob.
Transgendered and proud of it.
Julie

Blue Moon

04-15-2004, 09:29 PM

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:07:48 GMT, "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>In
>this detached forum I feel that the news group has an obligation to present
>facts and our personal experiences about recovery and I do not think that it
>is wise to allow such slanderous comments about AA, Smart Recovery, other
>recovery program, or ANY individual who posts here to go unchallenged to
>long.

The newsgroup has no obligation of doing anything but being a
newsgroup.

By your own wisdom, should others challenge your own slander of
individuals who post here?

--
Blue Moon

Christine

04-15-2004, 11:45 PM

>Getting rid of him would not prosper him or us actually. His lies and
>projected emotional issues about AA need to be discussed from time to time.
>Before I made it to AA and actually "worked" the steps with a sponsor I also
>had several misplaced thoughts about what AA was about and why they did what
>they did. I only respond to his comments so others NG members will have the
>opportunity to hear about what really happens at AA. Bob will not change
>unless he has a stroke and forgets all these preconceived ideas (not the
>best way) or get honest enough with himself to actually attend meetings and
>to do what AA suggests. Only then will he be able to see through his own
>justifications and misguided thoughts.
>Julie

Julie, I don't understand where you are coming from. Bob doesn't have
"preconceived notions" about AA or the steps. To my understanding he was an
active member in AA for years and has, and continues to, work the steps.

Personally, I feel his honesty is refreashing. He does share his experience,
strength and hope with others (at least us). It may not be what you want to
hear, but that shouldn't be an issue.

I think that making AA to be the end-all, be-all of life in recovery is quite
overwehlming for people, esspecially if the are just about to try and get
sober. I know that my preconcieved notion that AA was all fake roses and
smiles (among many other reasons) kept me away for years. I hope I do not
offend you or Rosie by saying this, but from what I can gather from this NG, I
would have felt very overwelhmed with (what I would think to be) *crap* if I
had met either of you at a meeting for the first couple of weeks. Neither of
you seem to practice what you preach (at least on the screen here) and both of
you *preach* a lot. It all comes across as fake to me.

At the very least Bob is the real deal - like it or not. I appreciate his
honesty. His posts take away any guilt I may be feeling for not working a
"perfect" program.

Just my thoughts. Hope you are feeling okay, Julie.

All the best,
Christine

Ron

04-16-2004, 12:37 AM

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 01:29:23 GMT, Blue Moon <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote:

> should others challenge your own slander of individuals who post here?

Hmm, slander and libel can be serious offenses. Just a few months prior
to my sudden realization that I had a problem with alcohol, I was
wasting time wasted on a quite different online forum, and let loose
with a bit of vitriol I rather regretted the next day. I had a terrible
hangover, but that was not the only reason I felt bad. I was, in fact,
worried that I might have been guilty of libel. I did a little homework
on the subject. I also contacted the person immediately and did my best
by way of apologizing for my awful behaviour.

Had my particular slur been taken up in court, I would have probably
been o.k. I'm not going to dispense legal advice, but one idea seems to
be that it's difficult to establish that bad language and name calling
are libeleous. Basically, libel means intentionally attempting to
damage a person's reputation, particularly by telling lies about them.
As epithets are typically niether true nor false, just offensive, they
don't usually qualify for prosecution. However, the legal bar is
lower for "ordinary" citizens than for public figures.

Anyway, having spent some time agonizing over the possibility of having
committed libel, and thinking about what could ensue, I don't believe
anyone would relish the potential consequences.

I did later hear back from the person whom I had offended. They
graciously accepted my apology. Even then knowing that I was probably
only guilty of being an extraordinary ass, I felt extremely relieved.

Ron, always the epitome of civility.

--
AB5DB9CC

rosie

04-16-2004, 09:27 AM

"Christine" <ctbean3@aol.com> wrote in message
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:
: Julie, I don't understand where you are coming from. Bob doesn't
have
: "preconceived notions" about AA or the steps. To my understanding
he was an
: active member in AA for years and has, and continues to, work the
steps.
:

then your understanding is wrong
christine........................have MCGOOGLE teach you how to
google.
you have not offended me with your comments, it is obvious that you
believe you have found the easier, softer, way......................

all the best, to you!
rosie

04-16-2004, 09:41 AM

"rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
news:jaRfc.55492$YC5.42724@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> "Christine" <ctbean3@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040415234513.01348.00000439@mb-m14.aol.com...
>
> :
> : Julie, I don't understand where you are coming from. Bob doesn't
> have
> : "preconceived notions" about AA or the steps. To my understanding
> he was an
> : active member in AA for years and has, and continues to, work the
> steps.
> :
>
> then your understanding is wrong
> christine........................have MCGOOGLE teach you how to
> google.
> you have not offended me with your comments, it is obvious that you
> believe you have found the easier, softer, way......................
>
> all the best, to you!
> rosie

Dear Christine,

Maybe you're already aware that Rosie does nothing more than expresses
opinions :^)

From: rosie (sorry@toomanymalcontents.com) 12th April 2004)

"i have put a few years in working in the recovering field, and YES,
everything i say, is still just my opinion.
nothing more and nothing less........................."

---------

All the best

JB

Robert McGregor

04-16-2004, 09:47 AM

"rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
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>
>
>
>
> "Christine" <ctbean3@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040415234513.01348.00000439@mb-m14.aol.com...
>
> :
> : Julie, I don't understand where you are coming from. Bob doesn't
> have
> : "preconceived notions" about AA or the steps. To my understanding
> he was an
> : active member in AA for years and has, and continues to, work the
> steps.
> :
>
> then your understanding is wrong

That's a classic, someone with absolutely minimal comprehension,
compounding it by cowering behind a kill file, deciding someone else's
understanding is wrong.

Bob

Christine

04-16-2004, 12:02 PM

> it is obvious that you
>believe you have found the easier, softer, way......................
>

Wha wha what? I am taking suggestions from others I meet at meetings, my
sponsor, I am reading AA liturature and Hazelden as well. I am working the
steps to the best of my ability and doing my best to live a sober life one day
at a time. If you think that is an easier softer way, you're wrong. It's hard
work, but I have started to reap the rewards.

Bugger off, Rosie. You constantly sling shit. You are everything that is
*wrong* with AA - full of quotes from the Big Book and history but can't
implement one idea in your life. Encouraging newly sober people to pop pills,
pushing off people's problems with "talk to your sponsor" instead of any
helpful insight or experience you may provide yourself.

I don't know why I bother even responding to you. Perhaps I am aiming at being
in your killfile so I won't have to read your crap in response to me.

Julie

04-16-2004, 01:33 PM

Hi Christine,
Bob says he attend AA meetings (over ten years ago I believe) and worked the
steps during that time. He now brags about the fact that he has not attend
AA meetings in years, that he is not currently an AA member, nor has a
desire to be one. Ask him yourself and see what Bob says.
Bobs' posts about working the steps while he was an AA member clearly state
that he did this without finding or using a higher power greater than
himself. This sadly means he has yet to work the steps as designed by AA.
Bob's mutated godless version of the steps can bee seen buy the results of
his labors. He produces a constant stream of assaults on those who attempt
to actually work the AA program as it was intended to be done, using a power
greater than ourselves. While this would explain why he doesn't currently
go to meetings or call himself a current member of AA, it does not explain
why he feels he must belittle those who are active AA members. The big Book
insists that an alcoholic must find a higher power and work the steps to
produce a psychic change that is great enough to free themselves from the
bondage of alcoholism. In summary you can say you have worked the steps
without a higher power, but its just an illusion that you have and little
else.
God is NOT a concept,
Julie
My comment are derived from previous posts Bob has made concerning AA and
the program he say he has done..
Here are a few of them.

Are you confusing intolerance with gratification? Fortunately for me,
having left AA, I have no need to force myself into the hypocrisy that
"love and tolerance" is my code.
Bob

The *only* requirement for AA membership being a desire to stop
drinking, amongst other considerations, I have neither need nor
intention to drink again, merely to qualify.
Bob

When, as a result of the steps, I temporarily abandoned power
tripping, AA dependence, and all prescription drugs, my chronic
depression permanently (so far) disappeared....
Bob

Seems to me, in hindsight, the only way I could ever have accessed solutions
most appropriate for me was by utilising the 12 steps; to start, and
continue, clearing away the rubble of guilt, fears, and resentments that had
overloaded my psyche for half a century.
Why on earth are you waiting for a "sponsor" before you start "to get into
the steps"?
Bob

Why the fuck should anyone care what you think?
Bob

(p59)
"These are the steps we took"
Then on the next page we find, "No one among us has been able to
maintain anything like perfect adherence to these principles"
The way I read that was, having taken the steps, the principles
revealed in taking them were not maintained with anything like
perfection, by anyone.
Seems to me that daily reprieve dependant on spiritual condition stuff
is merely an egotistical attempt to explain the inexplicable. There are
times I have stayed sober when I could not have been described as in
healthy spiritual condition with even the most liberal of definitions.
Bob

Nah, I've posted enough how I got sobriety with the steps, without all
the conceptual God bullshit.
Bob

I hope that this is enough about the illusion that Bob presents us.
Please pray for him,
Julie

"Christine" <ctbean3@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040415234513.01348.00000439@mb-m14.aol.com...
> >Getting rid of him would not prosper him or us actually. His lies and
> >projected emotional issues about AA need to be discussed from time to
time.
> >Before I made it to AA and actually "worked" the steps with a sponsor I
also
> >had several misplaced thoughts about what AA was about and why they did
what
> >they did. I only respond to his comments so others NG members will have
the
> >opportunity to hear about what really happens at AA. Bob will not change
> >unless he has a stroke and forgets all these preconceived ideas (not the
> >best way) or get honest enough with himself to actually attend meetings
and
> >to do what AA suggests. Only then will he be able to see through his own
> >justifications and misguided thoughts.
> >Julie
>
> Julie, I don't understand where you are coming from. Bob doesn't have
> "preconceived notions" about AA or the steps. To my understanding he was
an
> active member in AA for years and has, and continues to, work the steps.
>
> Personally, I feel his honesty is refreashing. He does share his
experience,
> strength and hope with others (at least us). It may not be what you want
to
> hear, but that shouldn't be an issue.
>
> I think that making AA to be the end-all, be-all of life in recovery is
quite
> overwehlming for people, esspecially if the are just about to try and get
> sober. I know that my preconcieved notion that AA was all fake roses and
> smiles (among many other reasons) kept me away for years. I hope I do not
> offend you or Rosie by saying this, but from what I can gather from this
NG, I
> would have felt very overwelhmed with (what I would think to be) *crap* if
I
> had met either of you at a meeting for the first couple of weeks. Neither
of
> you seem to practice what you preach (at least on the screen here) and
both of
> you *preach* a lot. It all comes across as fake to me.
>
> At the very least Bob is the real deal - like it or not. I appreciate his
> honesty. His posts take away any guilt I may be feeling for not working a
> "perfect" program.
>
> Just my thoughts. Hope you are feeling okay, Julie.
>
> All the best,
> Christine

Christine

04-16-2004, 06:25 PM

>Ask him yourself and see what Bob says.
>Bobs' posts about working the steps while he was an AA member clearly state
>that he did this without finding or using a higher power greater than
>himself. This sadly means he has yet to work the steps as designed by AA.
>Bob's mutated godless version of the steps can bee seen buy the results of
>his labors.

If it worked for him, who are you to tell him he did it "wrong"? He seems
pretty damn comfortable with himself and his soberiety - why does it bother you
so much? Because he hasn't done it "your" way - the AA way?

>He produces a constant stream of assaults on those who attempt
>to actually work the AA program as it was intended to be done, using a power
>greater than ourselves. While this would explain why he doesn't currently
>go to meetings or call himself a current member of AA, it does not explain
>why he feels he must belittle those who are active AA members.

Hmmm ... he just posted a very encouraging message to me about working the
steps. Did you miss that? If he chooses to go or not go to AA, that is
certainly his deal, not yours.

Whatever works, Julie. Bob gives another perspective on here (this is not an
AA newsgroup, mind you) and calls it likes he sees it.

>In summary you can say you have worked the steps
>without a higher power, but its just an illusion that you have and little
>else.

Do you have a final exam you would like everyone to take? It is his life, his
sobreity - let it be.

rosie

04-16-2004, 06:56 PM

"Christine" <ctbean3@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040416120232.25434.00000485@mb-m04.aol.com...
:
:
: Wha wha what? I am taking suggestions from others I meet at
meetings, my
: sponsor, I am reading AA liturature and Hazelden as well. I am
working the
: steps to the best of my ability and doing my best to live a sober
life one day
: at a time. If you think that is an easier softer
way........................

Yes, i do....................but it is your choice, and i sure
wouldn't want to LECTURE you.....................i wish you luck on
your venture.
;)

04-16-2004, 07:22 PM

"rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
news:owZfc.99149$4B1.90069@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
>
> "Christine" <ctbean3@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:20040416120232.25434.00000485@mb-m04.aol.com...
> :
> :
> : Wha wha what? I am taking suggestions from others I meet at
> meetings, my
> : sponsor, I am reading AA liturature and Hazelden as well. I am
> working the
> : steps to the best of my ability and doing my best to live a sober
> life one day
> : at a time. If you think that is an easier softer
> way........................
>
>
> Yes, i do....................but it is your choice, and i sure
> wouldn't want to LECTURE you.....................i wish you luck on
> your venture.
> ;)
>
Dear Christine,

Maybe you know Rosie well enough to know that if you asked her what
else you should be doing, it's unlikely that you'd get a helpful
reply.

FWIW, you appear to be doing all that I am doing. IMO, if we and our
respective Sponsors are convinced that what we're doing is enabling us
to make progress in recovery and there's evidence of it, no known
crackpot's idea that we've chosen the"easier,softer route" to recovery
should disturb our peace
of mind.

Wishing you all the best.

JB

Hugh Jarse

04-16-2004, 09:18 PM

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
news:c5nb98$3k86p$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de:

>
> "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:R_Ffc.10360$zj3.8479@newsread3.news.atl.earth link.net...
>>
>> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>> news:c5n0cn$3kns8$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
>> >
>> > "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
>> > news:rDBfc.7748$l75.2752@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
>> > >
>> > > "Aspitwo" <aspitwo@aol.com> wrote in message
>> > > news:20040415125544.08083.00000446@mb-m11.aol.com...
>> > > > Can't someone get rid of that moron Bob?
>> > > >
>> > > Getting rid of him would not prosper him or us actually. His
> lies
>> > and
>> > > projected emotional issues about AA need to be discussed from
> time
>> > to time.
>> > > Before I made it to AA and actually "worked" the steps with a
>> > sponsor I also
>> > > had several misplaced thoughts about what AA was about and why
> they
>> > did what
>> > > they did. I only respond to his comments so others NG members
> will
>> > have the
>> > > opportunity to hear about what really happens at AA. Bob will
> not
>> > change
>> > > unless he has a stroke and forgets all these preconceived ideas
> (not
>> > the
>> > > best way) or get honest enough with himself to actually attend
>> > meetings and
>> > > to do what AA suggests. Only then will he be able to see through
> his
>> > own
>> > > justifications and misguided thoughts.
>> > > Julie
>> > > >
>> >
>> > "Do what AA suggests"?
>> >
>> > Given much of the suggestion at AA is made by folk dropping in
> there
>> > between benders, no wonder you're confused about more than your
>> > gender.
>> >
>> AA is made up of people that desire to stop drinking Bob. Your
> assessment
>> that AA members are made up of "folk dropping in there between
> benders" is
>> yet another comment that shows your closed minded attitude about AA
> and that
>> you have no valid experience with AA.
>> Oh Bob, I don't want to forget to remind you that there goes that
> closed
>> minded defense tactic of yours again. My gender difficulties has
> nothing to
>> do with the discussion, but you still insist on using slander as a
> tool to
>> defend your lies about AA when you find your lies have been exposed
> are that
>> you have backed yourself into a corner again.
>
> Although I merely asked a question about your transexual confusion,
> your gender "difficulties" did have everything to do with adding
> perspective to a discusion in which you "slandered" me over presumed
> personal problems.
>
> I attended AA for years, even your paranoid pal rosie, (unaware there
> were first hand observers here on usenet) raved on with supposed
> information about me being kicked out of AA. What I wrote about AA is
> no lie at all, as documented in AA's own publication.
>
>> >
>> > (AA Around Australia. Spring Edition No 90. October 1994)
>> > "A well conducted professional study," (page19) that showed "some
> 5%
>> > of newcomers are still attending meetings after 12 months. This is
> a
>> > truly terrible statistic". (page 2)
>> > Bob
>> No quote given Bob. Page 2 of what?
>
> Are you completely insane? Of AA Around Australia. Spring Edition No
> 90. October 1994
>
> Bob
>
>
>

It's really none of my business, but have you two set a date yet?

--
Live simply so that others may simply live.

Robert McGregor

04-16-2004, 09:38 PM

"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:FNUfc.8632$l75.1103@newsread2.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> Hi Christine,
> Bob says he attend AA meetings (over ten years ago I believe) and
worked the
> steps during that time. He now brags about the fact that he has not
attend
> AA meetings in years, that he is not currently an AA member, nor has
a
> desire to be one. Ask him yourself and see what Bob says.

That's a truth to be ashamed of?

"I found that I had to exert every ounce of will and action to cut off
these faulty emotional dependencies upon people, upon AA, indeed, upon
any set of circumstances whatsoever. Then only could I be free" -
Bill Wilson

> Bobs' posts about working the steps while he was an AA member
clearly state
> that he did this without finding or using a higher power greater
than
> himself. This sadly means he has yet to work the steps as designed
by AA.

You're apparently an incorrigible liar, just like your pal rosie.

I took 12 simple steps designed by AA, the "middle course for all
alcoholics who wanted sobriety," and recovered. There is nothing you
can do or say to reverse that.

Bob

http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_55.htm
"We found the Great Reality deep down within us. In the last analysis
it is only there that He may be found. It was so with us."

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:c5lmfq$2vctg$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> Arguably, the initial and essential "spiritual experience" is the
> acquisition of sufficient hope to go to whatever lengths are
necessary
> in order to recover from the obsession and compulsion associated
with
> otherwise hopeless alcoholism. Folk who argue otherwise have never,
in
> my (close;-) observation, lived up to any claimed notions of
spiritual
> superiority; or, they merely argue on the basis of expectations, as
> distinct from experience.
>
> My experience is that my own psychic change gave me the incentive to
> listen for the "still small voice within," that had been muted for
far
> too long by my lust for instant self gratification, as it ran riot.
> Now, as a result of the steps, that "still small voice" is again
> audible; in direct proportion to my propensity to initiate, and
> sustain, a "cleaner house."
>

Julie

04-17-2004, 01:20 AM

"Christine" <ctbean3@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040416182522.20162.00000007@mb-m02.aol.com...
> >Ask him yourself and see what Bob says.
> >Bobs' posts about working the steps while he was an AA member clearly
state
> >that he did this without finding or using a higher power greater than
> >himself. This sadly means he has yet to work the steps as designed by
AA.
> >Bob's mutated godless version of the steps can bee seen buy the results
of
> >his labors.
>
> If it worked for him, who are you to tell him he did it "wrong"? He seems
> pretty damn comfortable with himself and his soberiety - why does it
bother you
> so much? Because he hasn't done it "your" way - the AA way?
>
I'm saying that Bob hasnt even work the steps of AA, not that he did it
wrong.
AA believes that you must find a power greater than yourself. I didn't say
it, AA's Big Book, The Steps, and everything else that comes from AA does.
>
What bothers me is that Bob says he has worked the steps in AA. This isnt
true! Bob changed the AA program so he could eliminate God from it and
avoid his issues concerning a higher power. If Bob had clearly said that he
had rewritten the steps of AA so he could do what he wanted and then called
his program "the path to sobriety by Bob" or anything else other than AA
this woudlnt be a problem for me. Instead of doing this, Bob has given many
here, including you, the impression that he is an AA member and that he
currently attends AA meetings.
Julie
> >He produces a constant stream of assaults on those who attempt
> >to actually work the AA program as it was intended to be done, using a
power
> >greater than ourselves. While this would explain why he doesn't
currently
> >go to meetings or call himself a current member of AA, it does not
explain
> >why he feels he must belittle those who are active AA members.
>
> Hmmm ... he just posted a very encouraging message to me about working the
> steps. Did you miss that? If he chooses to go or not go to AA, that is
> certainly his deal, not yours.
>
Thats very nice of Bob to be so nice to you, but his encouragement isnt
about you working the steps of AA its about workng the steps of Bob. Bob
is the one who misleads people here concerning his supposed "positive
support" of the AA program and I sent you several of his posts that show his
thoughts about AA and why he is not a member or attend meetings for many
years.
Pretending to support the AA program of recovery and the suggested simple
steps AA only to belittle the program should bother you I would think.
Julie
>
>
> Whatever works, Julie. Bob gives another perspective on here (this is not
an
> AA newsgroup, mind you) and calls it likes he sees it.
>
The spritual path that Bob presents to us is full of deceptions and the
results of his program can be seem in the vulgar and demeaning comments he
has made about homosexuals, AA sponsorship, and members of what he has
termed the AA cult. If thats what you want you can have it. I want nothing
to do with it Christine.
Julie
>
> >In summary you can say you have worked the steps
> >without a higher power, but its just an illusion that you have and little
> >else.
>
> Do you have a final exam you would like everyone to take? It is his life,
his
> sobreity - let it be.
>
A test? That's cute, if you are to work the steps of AA you MUST find a
power greater than yourself. Its not complicated and no test is needed.
What is needed is personal honesty, and saying you have worked the steps of
AA when you don't even profess to have a higher power is simply not honest.
There are suffering alcoholics here that are struggling to save their lives!
This isn't a game of psychological manipulation, philosophy, or simply a
debate for personal satisfaction. AA's Big Book has help well over a
million people to find a higher power that allowed them to work the steps
with a "sponsor" and to obtain freedom from the bondage that alcohol had
upon their lives.
The results of the steps according to Bob (without a higher power) has
proven to profit little other than that Bob has remained sober and the
quality of the sobriety he has obtain is nothing that I would suggest to
anyone.
Julie
PS
The lack of profanity offends no one.
>

Robert McGregor

04-17-2004, 02:21 AM

"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:z83gc.11584$zj3.6225@newsread3.news.atl.earth link.net...
>
> >
> I'm saying that Bob hasnt even work the steps of AA, not that he
did it
> wrong.
> AA believes that you must find a power greater than yourself. I
didn't say
> it, AA's Big Book, The Steps, and everything else that comes from AA
does.
> >

Jeez, you're a lousy troll. Why don't you attempt a documented essay
of your own experience such as http://blank.org/link/?q=1082182484
which is merely one essay amongst many?

Not one of the 12 steps says "you must find a power greater than
yourself" and the Big Book contains much of Bill Wilson's opinion on
which, in Bill's own words, AA could *not* agree!

"For a while it looked as if we would bog down into permanent
disagreement. Despairing of satisfying everyone, I finally asked that
I might be the final judge of what the book said. Seeing that we would
get nowhere without such a point of decision, most of the group
agreed. We began to carry on again."
From "Alcoholics Anonymous Comes Of Age - A Brief History Of AA"
¹Bill Wilson.

(And they could then publish, pay the mounting debts they had already
incurred, and reap the long awaited profits)

Nevertheless, regardless of your presumptuous bullshit, I did take the
steps to the best of my ability, as directed in the Big Book. I pulled
up at that absurd step 3 prayer, however the dogma qualified that with
"most of us." After all, who, honestly believing in the superiority of
a "God" could direct that God what to do, as distinct from step 11
(praying *only* for knowledge of His will for us) Seems that Bill
Wilson did not bother with that though:- "I was always glad to think
that I was included in those (Dr Bob's) prayers," said Bill (Wilson)
"And I sort of depended on him to get me into heaven. Bob was far
ahead of me in that sort of activity. I was always rushing around
talking and organising and 'teaching kindergarten' I never grew up
myself." Dr Bob and the Good Oldtimers, p 315.

I balked at step 11 for about 2 years. With benefit of hindsight, I
re-discovered there was a Power greater than myself, expressed as a
still small voice, precisely in the only place the Big Book said it
could be found, deep within me. http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_55.htm In
endeavouring to be honest, I choose not to, but can mostly accept
others choosing to call that voice the voice of their theoretical God,
as long as they don't insist I do too.

Bob

http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_55.htm
"We found the Great Reality deep down within us. In the last analysis
it is only there that He may be found. It was so with us."

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:c5lmfq$2vctg$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...

>
> My experience is that my own psychic change gave me the incentive to
> listen for the "still small voice within," that had been muted for
far
> too long by my lust for instant self gratification, as it ran riot.
> Now, as a result of the steps, that "still small voice" is again
> audible; in direct proportion to my propensity to initiate, and
> sustain, a "cleaner house."
>

04-17-2004, 04:42 AM

"Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:z83gc.11584$zj3.6225@newsread3.news.atl.earth link.net...
<snip>

> What bothers me is that Bob says he has worked the steps in AA.
This isnt
> true! Bob changed the AA program so he could eliminate God from it
and
> avoid his issues concerning a higher power.

<snip>

Julie,

Arguably,. how you define God (as Good Orderly Direction) does not
mean that you have understood and practice the Steps more closely to
the way the founders of AA intended they should be interpreted and
practised than anyone else who has done them.

I closely observe the behaviour of people who claim to have worked the
Steps and, like you, pass judgement on it. If I conclude that
anyone's behaviour falls short of the standards I have set and I
believe that my own behaviour meets it I can feel proud, smug and
superior. If I want to, I can put these feelings on public display by
acting in ways which give the impression that others are not doing
things correctly and getting angry for example, when they
refuse to not do things "my way".

In thinking about how AA encourages humility, I've concluded that I
should try to never give the impression that I think how I interpret
and practice the Steps, how I conduct myself and how I live my life
makes me a finer example of an AA member who's working the Steps than
any other person who has worked them.

When I chose to share my interpretation of the Steps, I try to do so
without the expectation of changing anyone's behaviour and without
giving the impression that I think that I perfectly understand what
they mean This is how my interpretation of AA's teachings causes me
to think that is how I should operate. I have no doubt that if ever I
give here the impression that I'm not behaving as I say I try to
someone will point this out. :^)

All the best

JB

rosie

04-17-2004, 08:47 AM

: >> Oh Bob, I don't want to forget to remind you that there goes
that
: > closed
: >> minded defense tactic of yours again. My gender difficulties
has
: > nothing to
: >> do with the discussion, but you still insist on using slander
as a
: > tool to
: >> defend your lies about AA when you find your lies have been
exposed
: > are that
: >> you have backed yourself into a corner again.
: >
:

robert's monotony of habit is with us
constantly..........................
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

his attempted "put downs" and prejudice, are really quite old,
boring, and predictable.
it is really quite sad, and he remains in the prayers i say, for the
still suffering alcoholic,
as his behavior points out his pain.

Robert McGregor

04-17-2004, 09:33 AM

rosie wrote:
>>>> Oh Bob, I don't want to forget to remind you that there goes that
>>>> closed minded defense tactic of yours again. My gender
>>>> difficulties has nothing to do with the discussion, but you still
>>>> insist on using slander as a tool to defend your lies about AA
>>>> when you find your lies have been exposed are that you have
backed
>>>> yourself into a corner again.
>>>
>>
>
>
> robert's monotony of habit is with us
> constantly..........................
> zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
>
> his attempted "put downs" and prejudice, are really quite old,
> boring, and predictable.

Hahahahaha, never ever fails to fire up sanctimonious old hypocrites
like you though, does it:)

Bob

Blue Moon

04-17-2004, 04:21 PM

On Fri, 16 Apr 2004 17:33:25 GMT, "Julie" <Julie919@earthlink.net>
wrote:

>Bob says he attend AA meetings (over ten years ago I believe) and worked the
>steps during that time.

He does? I must have missed that post.

>Bobs' posts about working the steps while he was an AA member clearly state
>that he did this without finding or using a higher power greater than
>himself. This sadly means he has yet to work the steps as designed by AA.

How do you reach this conclusion?

He may have yet to work the Steps as you understand them, or as I
understand them, but on what basis do you presume your understanding
is correct?

> In summary you can say you have worked the steps
>without a higher power, but its just an illusion that you have and little
>else.

If a one-time hopeless alcoholic remains sober as a result of working
the Steps, how much more of a miracle do you expect God to provide?

--
Blue Moon

Julie

04-17-2004, 06:02 PM

While talking to my sponsor today she reminded me of a document that we had
shared some time ago.
It has to do with the Must's, Had To Be's, Imperative's, Simply Had To's,
and the Requirements demanded of an AA Member if he/she wants the full,
desired result of the AA program.
Enjoy,
Julie

103 "MUSTS" IN THE BIG BOOK
Compiled by Dave F.

If you go to enough meetings, you'll hear it said that in AA, "there are no
MUSTs, only suggestions". Well, like most half-truths in A.A., if you hear
them long enough you begin to believe them. But what does the Program have
to say about this? It says in the Big Book on page 19, "We have concluded to
publish an anonymous volume setting forth the problem as we see it. We shall
bring to task our combined experience and knowledge. This should suggest a
useful program for anyone concerned with a drinking problem." Then, in "How
It Works" it says, "Here are the steps we took, which are suggested as a
Program of Recovery."

So, it's the WHOLE Program that is suggested. It's sort of like making a
pie. I once ate a really great pie at my Grandmother's house, and asked for
the recipe.

If I use the SAME ingredients, with the SAME proportions, in the SAME baking
sequence, then AND ONLY THEN will I get the full, desired result. AA says
that we have a way out that works very well for us.

There may be another method you might use that you think brings about
recovery from alcoholism, and if you so choose, have at it.

You don't have to take the A.A. Program, only "if you want what we have AND
are willing to go to any length to get it." And if you DO want what we have,
the Big Book is very clear that the Program has some very definite
requirements. It says, "To show other alcoholics PRECISELY HOW WE HAVE
RECOVERED is the main purpose of this book" (page xiii), "If you are an
alcoholic who wants to get over it, you may already be asking - What do I
have to do? It is the purpose of this book to answer such questions
SPECIFICALLY. We shall tell you what we have done" (page 20), and "CLEAR-CUT
DIRECTIONS are given showing how we recovered" (page 29).

AA's Big Book, by it's own admission, offers us specific instructions for
recovery from alcoholism called "the Program of AA". Remember, half measures
DO NOT avail us half results; "half measures avail us NOTHING" (and NO
measures avail us less!). The suggestion we have to offer is our WHOLE
Program, and the AA Program does include MUSTs, have to's, and requirements
(IF you want the full, desired result).

But remember, the process is very much worth it because just one of the
promises of working AA's Program IN ITS ENTIRETY is that we will "know
happiness, peace, and usefulness, in a way of life that is incredibly more
wonderful as time passes" (page 8)!

Some of the phrases below don't contain the word MUST, but the wording
indicates a MUST Condition..

Well, excluding the stories, here's the list:

1. Convincing testimony MUST surely come from medical men who have had
experience with the sufferings of our members and have witnessed our return
to health.(xxiii)

2. "Doctor, I cannot go on like this! I have everything to live for! I MUST
stop, but I cannot! You MUST help me!" (xxvii)

3. Faced with this problem, if a doctor is honest with himself, he MUST
sometimes feel his own inadequacy. (xxvii)

4. Though the aggregate of recoveries resulting from psychiatric effort is
considerable, we physicians MUST admit we have made little impression upon
the problem as a whole. (xxvii)

5. In the course of his third treatment he acquired certain ideas concerning
a possible means of recovery. As part of his rehabilitation he (Bill W.)
commenced to present his conceptions to other alcoholics, impressing upon
them that they MUST do likewise with still others. This has become the basis
of a rapidly growing fellowship of these men and their families. This man
and over one hundred others appear to have recovered. (xxiii)

6. In this statement he (Dr. Silkworth) confirms what we who have suffered
alcoholic torture MUST believe that the body of the alcoholic is quite as
abnormal as his mind. (xxiv)

7. More often than not, it is IMPERATIVE that a man's brain be cleared
before he is approached, as he has then a better chance of understanding and
accepting what we have to offer. (xxiv)

8. The message which can interest and hold these alcoholic people MUST have
depth and weight. In nearly all cases, their ideals MUST be grounded in a
power greater than themselves if they are to re-create their lives. (xxvi)

9. I SIMPLY HAD TO believe in a Spirit of the Universe, who knew neither
time nor limitation (10)

10. I MUST turn in all things to the Father of Light who presides over us
all.(14)

11. Particularly was it IMPERATIVE to work with others.(14)

12. Of NECESSITY there will have to be discussion of matters medical,
psychiatric, social, and religious.(19)

13. Our very lives, as ex-problem drinkers, DEPEND upon our constant thought
of others and how we may help meet their needs. (19)

14. Almost none of us liked the self-searching, the leveling of our pride,
the confession of shortcomings which the process REQUIRES for its successful
consummation.(25)

15. There was NOTHING LEFT FOR US but to pick up the simple kit of spiritual
tools laid at our Feet. (25)

16. It is only by fully disclosing ourselves and our problems that they will
be persuaded to say, "Yes, I am one of them too; I MUST have this thing."
(29)

17. We learned that we had to FULLY CONCEDE to our innermost selves that we
were alcoholics. This is the first step in recovery. The delusion that we
are like other people, or presently may be, HAS TO BE smashed. (30)

18. If we are planning to stop drinking, there MUST be no reservation of any
kind, nor any lurking notion that someday we will be immune to alcohol. (33)

19. But after a while we had to face the fact that we MUST find a spiritual
basis of Life - or else.(44)

20. We HAD TO find a power by which we could live, and it HAD TO BE a Power
greater than ourselves. (45)

21. DO NOT let any prejudice you may have against spiritual terms deter you
from honestly asking yourself what they mean to you. (47)

22. Many of us have been so touchy that even casual reference to spiritual
things made us bristle with antagonism. This sort of thinking HAD TO BE
abandoned. (48)

23. We HAD TO ask ourselves why we shouldn't apply to our human problems
this same readiness to change our point of view. (52)

24. When we saw others solve their problems by a simple reliance upon the
Spirit of the Universe