"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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: Your comments remind of what happened to me when I spoke at an AA
: meeting about the abuse I had suffered as a child. I was told
that I
: should not talk about such things in a meeting because it might
bring
: back painful memories to others which they might then use as an
excuse
: to drink.


comparing being told to not talk about your childhood abuse, to
someone who is telling sponsee's to lighten up on the "jesus is my
lord and savior" thing, isn't the same, imo.

what happened to you is your experience, and an experience that MANY
can relate to.....................

doing the "religious" thing from the podium, is quite different,
imo.
AA is NOT a religion, and imo, we should do whatever we can to
INCLUDE not EXCLUDE others..................thus THE TRADITIONS.


:
: Given that believing in a God (as the individual understands
: him/her/it) is part of AA's recovery programme and that AA
encourages
: its members to be tolerant of others views, I believe there is a
need
: for all AAers to try to never openly object to anyone expressing
: whatever view of God they feel comfortable with..
:
: JB
:
:


YMMV and apparently it does.

:

you have expressed this better than i could, thank you.

--
rosie

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"Alana Morgan" <cosmoluna@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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: in article c4janl$3s2$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk, JB at
JBCatRB@coldman.com
: wrote on 4/2/04 4:15 AM:
:
: >
: > "rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
: > news:wi4bc.12297$YC5.8064@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
: >> tono,
: >> when i go to meetings and hear someone talking about GOD (as
they
: >> understand him) i must remember, that it is THEIR choice, THEIR
: >> decision.
: >> no one makes me stop referring to my "god" as HP, so i must
practice
: >> patience and tolerance with others.
: >>
: >> i will admit that i get "a little antsy" when someone starts
the
: >> "jesus is my lord and savior" routine in a meeting, and quite
: >> frankly, if i am sponsoring that person, i do ask them to
lighten up
: >> a little, because it CAN be a real turn off to others around
the
: >> table, and our job is to carry the message, as best we can.
: >
: > Your comments remind of what happened to me when I spoke at an
AA
: > meeting about the abuse I had suffered as a child. I was told
that I
: > should not talk about such things in a meeting because it might
bring
: > back painful memories to others which they might then use as an
excuse
: > to drink. I was incensed by this woman's attempt to not allow me
to
: > speak freely on one of the subjects that I thought was fuelling
my
: > drinking, that I decided there and then to stop going to AA.
: >
: > Given that believing in a God (as the individual understands
: > him/her/it) is part of AA's recovery programme and that AA
encourages
: > its members to be tolerant of others views, I believe there is a
need
: > for all AAers to try to never openly object to anyone expressing
: > whatever view of God they feel comfortable with..
: >
: > JB
: >
: >
: >
: This is the tricky area - the preamble says "AA is not allied with
any sect,
: denomination, politics or institution; does not wish to engage in
any
: controversy; neither endorses nor opposes any causes." But what
that refers
: to is AA itself - of course it would be great if individuals were
perfect at
: reflecting that idea in their shares (but its like that
commercial, we don't
: live in Perfect). That's why most AA meetings (at least the ones
I have
: been to) have somewhere in the format the reminder that what has
been said
: in the meeting is strictly someone's opinion and not that of AA.
I live in
: a "bible belt" area - so sometimes I feel like I'm in someone
else's church
: all of a sudden, but I am not responsible for someone else's
share. We had
: one particular group where we ran into problems like this, but
there were so
: many other issues going on in that group that people were no
longer coming,
: except for the "strongly opinionated" few and some stubborn cases
who wanted
: to try to keep the meeting alive. Eventually, another meeting was
started.
:
: All you need is a coffee pot and a resentment to motivate someone
to start a
: new meeting. That's how meetings get started. (at least that's
been my
: experience). People can get into all sorts of discussions about
the
: "quality" of someone else's share or content of it, and that is
usually
: coupled with discussions of that persons quality and quantity of
sobriety.
: Not for me to judge. I have a choice as to how I handle what
other people
: do or say, and that is the only thing I can work on.
:
: Principles over personalities.
:
: Love and light
: Alana
:

"rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
news:YXdbc.38136$z%1.16191@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> AA is NOT a religion, and imo, we should do whatever we can to
> INCLUDE not EXCLUDE others..................thus THE TRADITIONS.
>

http://www.aa.org/default/en_about_a...d=20&pageid=24
Alcoholics Anonymous Traditions. For our group purpose there is but
one ultimate authority a loving God as He may express Himself in our
group conscience.

http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=religion
re·li·gion Pronunciation Key (r-ljn) n. Belief in and reverence for
a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the
universe.


"We give thanks to our Heavenly Father, who, through so many
friends and through so many means and channels, has allowed us to
construct this wonderful edifice of the spirit in which we are now
dwelling. It seems as though He had directed us to construct this
cathedral whose foundations already rest upon the corners of the
earth. On its great floor we have inscribed our Twelve Steps of
recovery. On the side walls, the buttresses of the A.A. Traditions
have been set in place to contain us in unity for as long as God may
will it so. Eager hearts & hands have lifted the spire of our
cathedral into its place. That spire bears the name of service. May it
ever point straight upward toward God." ..... Bill Wilson

"rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
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> AA is NOT a religion, and imo, we should do whatever we can to
> INCLUDE not EXCLUDE others..................thus THE TRADITIONS.
>
> :
> : Given that believing in a God (as the individual understands
> : him/her/it) is part of AA's recovery programme and that AA
> encourages
> : its members to be tolerant of others views, I believe there is a
> need
> : for all AAers to try to never openly object to anyone expressing
> : whatever view of God they feel comfortable with..
> :
> : JB
> :
> :
>
>
> YMMV and apparently it does.
>
My comments reflect my understanding of Step 3 and also my belief that
no matter what God anyone else believes in, their belief only disturbs
my peace of mind if I allow it to. If you think that your peace of
mind is disturbed when someone talks about how their God and maybe
Jesus is helping them to recover from their alcoholism, IMO, you must
deal with that in whatever way seems appropriate to you. In the hope
of avoiding any misunderstanding, I need to say that what I've just
said was an attempt to state what I think are facts.

JB

On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 00:28:49 +1000, "Robert McGregor"
<robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>
>"rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
>news:wi4bc.12297$YC5.8064@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> i will admit that i get "a little antsy" when someone starts the
>> "jesus is my lord and savior" routine in a meeting, and quite
>> frankly, if i am sponsoring that person, i do ask them to lighten up
>> a little, because it CAN be a real turn off to others around the
>> table, and our job is to carry the message, as best we can.
>
>Another spectacular example of the AA sponsor cult.
>
>Rosie, clearly not having a clue what the AA message is actually
>supposed to be, passing on her very own prejudice instead.
>
>Bob
>
Looks like it's who who is clueless. It's a higher power, not a
particular higher power.

You stupid,obsessed, twit.

no matter bob w.....................robert just made it into my
killfile for another month.


--
rosie

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<Bob W.> wrote in message
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: On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 00:28:49 +1000, "Robert McGregor"
: <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
:
: >
: >"rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
: >news:wi4bc.12297$YC5.8064@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
: >> i will admit that i get "a little antsy" when someone starts
the
: >> "jesus is my lord and savior" routine in a meeting, and quite
: >> frankly, if i am sponsoring that person, i do ask them to
lighten up
: >> a little, because it CAN be a real turn off to others around
the
: >> table, and our job is to carry the message, as best we can.
: >
: >Another spectacular example of the AA sponsor cult.
: >
: >Rosie, clearly not having a clue what the AA message is actually
: >supposed to be, passing on her very own prejudice instead.
: >
: >Bob
: >
: Looks like it's who who is clueless. It's a higher power, not a
: particular higher power.
:
: You stupid,obsessed, twit.

"rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
news:wi4bc.12297$YC5.8064@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> i will admit that i get "a little antsy" when someone starts the
> "jesus is my lord and savior" routine in a meeting, and quite
> frankly, if i am sponsoring that person, i do ask them to lighten up
> a little, because it CAN be a real turn off to others around the
> table, and our job is to carry the message, as best we can.

Another spectacular example of the AA sponsor cult.

Rosie, clearly not having a clue what the AA message is actually
supposed to be, passing on her very own prejudice instead.

Bob

: If you think that your peace of
: mind is disturbed when someone talks about how their God and maybe
: Jesus is helping them to recover from their alcoholism, IMO, you
must
: deal with that in whatever way seems appropriate to you.

i suspect i didn't make myself CLEAR enough....................
"the jesus is my lord and savior" talk admittedly makes me antsy,
but my concern is for the newcomer, not me......................i
practice patience and tolerance on a regular basis!


--
rosie

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"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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: "rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
: news:YXdbc.38136$z%1.16191@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
: > AA is NOT a religion, and imo, we should do whatever we can to
: > INCLUDE not EXCLUDE others..................thus THE TRADITIONS.
: >
: > :
: > : Given that believing in a God (as the individual understands
: > : him/her/it) is part of AA's recovery programme and that AA
: > encourages
: > : its members to be tolerant of others views, I believe there is
a
: > need
: > : for all AAers to try to never openly object to anyone
expressing
: > : whatever view of God they feel comfortable with..
: > :
: > : JB
: > :
: > :
: >
: >
: > YMMV and apparently it does.
: >
: My comments reflect my understanding of Step 3 and also my belief
that
: no matter what God anyone else believes in, their belief only
disturbs
: my peace of mind if I allow it to. If you think that your peace
of
: mind is disturbed when someone talks about how their God and maybe
: Jesus is helping them to recover from their alcoholism, IMO, you
must
: deal with that in whatever way seems appropriate to you. In the
hope
: of avoiding any misunderstanding, I need to say that what I've
just
: said was an attempt to state what I think are facts.
:
: JB
:
:

guess what JB?
part of my recovery is to back away from abusive
folks...................go join robert!

<PLONK>

--
rosie

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"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
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:
: "rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
: news:lOebc.38463$z%1.5808@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
: > : If you think that your peace of
: > : mind is disturbed when someone talks about how their God and
maybe
: > : Jesus is helping them to recover from their alcoholism, IMO,
you
: > must
: > : deal with that in whatever way seems appropriate to you.
: >
: > i suspect i didn't make myself CLEAR enough....................
: > "the jesus is my lord and savior" talk admittedly makes me
antsy,
: > but my concern is for the newcomer, not
me......................i
: > practice patience and tolerance on a regular basis!
: >
: >
: > --
: > rosie
:
: Only you know whether you speak the truth :^)
:
: JB
:
:

Given there is no way you or your kiddie troll could sanely answer
that post, I'm not at all surprised you are already hiding behind your
cowardfile

Bob

"rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
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> no matter bob w.....................robert just made it into my
> killfile for another month.
>
>
> --
> rosie
>
> http://airamericaradio.com/www/pub/globalDefault.htm
> AIR AMERICA RADIO
>
>
>
> <Bob W.> wrote in message
> news:1423a5261ad0a94328dcb8d616db7cb8@news.teranew s.com...
> : On Sat, 3 Apr 2004 00:28:49 +1000, "Robert McGregor"
> : <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> :
> : >
> : >"rosie" <sorry@toomanymalcontents.com> wrote in message
> : >news:wi4bc.12297$YC5.8064@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> : >> i will admit that i get "a little antsy" when someone starts
> the
> : >> "jesus is my lord and savior" routine in a meeting, and quite
> : >> frankly, if i am sponsoring that person, i do ask them to
> lighten up
> : >> a little, because it CAN be a real turn off to others around
> the
> : >> table, and our job is to carry the message, as best we can.
> : >
> : >Another spectacular example of the AA sponsor cult.
> : >
> : >Rosie, clearly not having a clue what the AA message is actually
> : >supposed to be, passing on her very own prejudice instead.
> : >
> : >Bob
> : >
> : Looks like it's who who is clueless. It's a higher power, not a
> : particular higher power.
> :
> : You stupid,obsessed, twit.
>
>