On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:00:52 -0500 (EST),
neuro equipoise <NeuroEquipoise@webtv.net> wrote:

> vegetable: LL.vegetabilis - "animating, hence full of life"
>
> 1. broadly, any plant. as distinguished from animal or inorganic matter.
>
> 2. specifically, any plant that is eaten whole or in part, raw or
> cooked.
>
> 3. the edible part of such a plant

So a fruit is a vegetable, but a vegetable might not be a fruit.

And people are animals, but animals aren't people..

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AB5DB9CC

On -Sat, Jan 31, 2004, 7:57pm (EST+5) can@the.spam (Ron) wrote:

>> On Sat, 31 Jan 2004 09:00:52 -0500 (EST),
>> neuro equipoise <NeuroEquipoise@webtv.net>
>> wrote:

>> vegetable: LL.vegetabilis - "animating, hence full
>> of life"

>> 1. broadly, any plant. as distinguished from
>> animal or inorganic matter.

>> 2. specifically, any plant that is eaten whole or in
>> part, raw or cooked.

>> 3. the edible part of such a plant


> So a fruit is a vegetable, but a vegetable might
> not be a fruit.

That's correct : )

In addition, I see things like evergreen shrub berries, roots of certain
bog plants, tree inner-bark scrapings, as vegetables too - because all
these things are used in natural medicine as "food"

Fruits are considered to be "seeds", in some cultures.

> And people are animals, but animals aren't
> people..

Animals are people too. Some cultures call them nations or tribes,
relatives.

Dictionary excerpt:

Peoples: "a tribe or kind, as of animals; group of creatures

On - Fri, Jan 30, 2004, 10:47pm (EST-3) fexly221@msn.com (Fred*Exley)
wrote:

> What am I supposed to cut out next -anything
> that's even remotely a pleasure???? -Fred

This site will take you to the "cut-out your own monk's robe kit"
instruction page. If you order the special coarse fabric, they give you
a *free* rope belt and skull cap glue too : )

http://www.Make_Me_A_Monk.com

Take it *easy* Fred : )


> Yeah, all those symptoms fit me perfectly too.
> That's good and bad news. The good news: I'm
> not so crazy after all -there's a medical reason for
> the mood swings, depression, etc. -hypoclycemia,
> not just alcoholism. The bad news: if that's what I
> am, then I should cut out caffine and refined
> sugar too? That's the only thing keeping me off
> booze right now!

Do what is working best for *you* right now.
Some day, when you are more stabilized with the big change you've made
to your metabolism, you can take it to the next level to lower your
brain "idle". Just see to it that you are getting a potent grade of
vitamin supplement, because sugar wipes out B-complex vitamins, and you
need those especially to help make brain chemicals and lower your
anxiety levels.

On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:28:38 -0500 (EST),
neuro equipoise <NeuroEquipoise@webtv.net> wrote:

>> The 'spirituality / higher power' mind games aren't doing it for me,
>> and they won't. I think a large part of my problem might just be me
>> being completely retarded about how I take care of myself. At least I
>> can hope.

> I look at the neuro-biology of what "spiritual" teachings actually do,
> and I do understand what AA steps are doing. They are slowly
> rebuilding dopamine receptors by changing linear thinking towards more
> right brain holistic thinking.

Yeah, I guess I understand that's that's happening under the hood also.
I just view words like 'spirituality', in the context of AA, as a
compromise between the bible thumpers and the athiests in a committee,
where the bible thumpers got the upper hand. I don't mean to knock
people for being spiritual, either. But in turn, I don't like being
pressured to acquiesce to religious terminology, is all.

I do try to meditate, chill out, let things go, etc. I try to walk away
from a fight. Basically, my goal is to not let my reflexive reponses
get the upper hand; deliberation is almost always a better course of
action. I don't suffer fools gladly, though.

--
AB5DB9CC

On - Sun, Feb 1, 2004, 12:56am (EST+5) can@the.spam (Ron) wrote:

>> On Fri, 30 Jan 2004 08:28:38 -0500 (EST),
>> neuro equipoise <NeuroEquipoise@webtv.net>
>> wrote:

>> I look at the neuro-biology of what "spiritual"
>> teachings actually do, and I do understand what
>> AA steps are doing. They are slowly rebuilding
>> dopamine receptors by changing linear thinking
>> towards more right brain holistic thinking.

> Yeah, I guess I understand that's that's happening
> under the hood also. I just view words like
> 'spirituality', in the context of AA, as a
> compromise between the bible thumpers and the
> athiests in a committee, where the bible thumpers
> got the upper hand. I don't mean to knock people
> for being spiritual, either. But in turn, I don't like
> being pressured to acquiesce to religious
> terminology, is all.

I don't know anything much about AA teachings besides what I've read
here in the last few weeks. I am a non-alcoholic person here as a
researcher to learn and better understand your lives, and share with you
what I've learned. I don't participate in a lot of threads because I
don't know what it feels like to crave, but I do participate wherever I
can offer something, and I learn a lot just by reading here.

Spirituality to me is more about developing the healthy mind, balancing
the left and right hemispheres, balancing the emotions with logic,
balancing the rational brain with the older mid-brain which is in charge
of ego etc. It's not about religion to me, it's about living as a
natural human, knowing that I have sharp animal instincts too.
Spirituality to me is more like courage, integrity, determination,
kindness and serenity, all rolled into one, plus more. All these
qualities put together are like the whole being greater than the sum of
its parts.

I do understand that some who are undergoing great illnesses sometimes
don't have the strength to see themselves as courageous, determined, or
worthy of someone's kindness, and that is where a metaphor of "higher
power" as religion comes in to help lend strength to the weaker ones.
That is why our brains have a healing imagination, and healers from the
beginning of time used "belief" to help people heal themselves. The
brain can turn on chemicals to heal, because the sub-conscious mind
can't tell the difference between reality and make-believe. That is why
all wisdom teachings were stories, the brain loves stories.

No one really knows why we are here. Quantum physics proves that
scientists know less than they think they did. Some indigenous cultures
just call it "Great Mystery" and that seems about right to me.

Pain and suffering is what led me to want to quit drinking. God took away
my craving for alcohol when I surrendered during the first step. I practice
H.A.L.T (don't get to Hungry, Angry, Lonely, or Tired) to keep my body and
mind in a good place.

Spend your time going to meetings and working the steps and forget this
hypoglycemic garbage unless you have been diagnosed as a diabetic.

Julie




"neuro equipoise" <NeuroEquipoise@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> For those of you interested in better understanding how to control
> cravings, optimize your nutrition to help make withdrawal and sobriety
> easier on you, this web site link below will give you detailed
> information on why alcoholics do best on a hypoglycemic nutrition plan.
>
> It also explains why dry-drunk syndrome is actually a result of blood
> sugar imbalance. The site lists specific supplements which are needed
> to help heal and ease withdrawal, as well.
>
> http://www.healthrecovery.com/alcoho...oglycemia.html
>

"Julie LaRue" <Sissi_Julie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Spend your time going to meetings and working the steps and forget
this
> hypoglycemic garbage unless you have been diagnosed as a diabetic.
>
> Julie

"Julie LaRue" <Sissi_Julie@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>Since none of you are Doctors or Pharmacists such
> comments can be medically dangerous.
>


Dr Julie, or just plain ole Pharmacist Julie?

Bob