On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:57:23 GMT, "rosie readandpost"
<readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>> I will say it's difficult to recover from alcoholism whilst taking the
>> pills. The ADs can be an emotional escape, and recovery is all about
>> learning to face life sober ... that means dealing with emotions that
>> are not being depressed by ADs. So you're sober, but not recovered -
>> big difference, that even many AAs don't comprehend!

>total bullshit!

In whose opinion?

I've never yet met someone who's quit pills in recovery say that it's
anything but harder to recover whilst on the pills. That's not for
want of asking around, or listening.

SSRI antidepressants act on the serotonin levels in the brain. These
directly affect the emotional state of the individual. Recovery from
alcoholism is all about taking actions that help deal with different
emotional states. That means learning how to deal with emotions
SOBER, without those emotions being repressed by drugs.

I did not say recovery is impossible whilst on drugs, I said it is
more difficult. I stand by that assertion.

>you remain willfully "in the dark" about the action and effects of antidepressants!

Now who's talking bullshit? I've asked you time and again for a
rational discussion on the topic, and every single time you've run.

--
Blue Moon

Blue Moon <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in
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> On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 12:57:23 GMT, "rosie readandpost"
> <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>> I will say it's difficult to recover from alcoholism whilst
>>> taking the pills. The ADs can be an emotional escape, and
>>> recovery is all about learning to face life sober ... that
>>> means dealing with emotions that are not being depressed by
>>> ADs. So you're sober, but not recovered - big difference,
>>> that even many AAs don't comprehend!
>
>>total bullshit!
>
> In whose opinion?
>
> I've never yet met someone who's quit pills in recovery say that
> it's anything but harder to recover whilst on the pills. That's
> not for want of asking around, or listening.
>
> SSRI antidepressants act on the serotonin levels in the brain.
> These directly affect the emotional state of the individual.
> Recovery from alcoholism is all about taking actions that help
> deal with different emotional states. That means learning how
> to deal with emotions SOBER, without those emotions being
> repressed by drugs.
>
> I did not say recovery is impossible whilst on drugs, I said it
> is more difficult. I stand by that assertion.
>
>>you remain willfully "in the dark" about the action and effects
>>of antidepressants!
>
> Now who's talking bullshit? I've asked you time and again for a
> rational discussion on the topic, and every single time you've
> run.
>

I take AD's to get something close to "balanced" in my emotional
state. If you think they get you high or happy or block emotions,
you've been seriously misinformed. They allow you to *FEEL* your
emotions, good and bad. WHen I'm not taking them, the whole world is
crap. I spent the first four years in recovery off AD's because of
some asshole nazi AA meeting, and those years were a complete waste
of time. It was a nice lady who grabbed me by the arm and told me
that her husband, in recovery, killed himself four years earler and
pleaded with me to get on medication, that I decided to do that.

The people who take ths hardline "no drugs of any kind" attitude are
usually the ones who DO NOT have major, debilitating depression and
have no idea how bad it is. Now I just tell them "thank you for
sharing."If they persist, I ask them if they're a doctor. That
usually shuts them up. BTW, I only take what I need. (When they
learn my family history, they usually offer me a whole bunch of
stuff!) If I had the AD's available to me when I was 15, I would
probably not have become an alcoholic.

"debs" <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote in message
news:bdrgqu$e8k$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
> The sort of people who tell you not to take prescribed ADs are usually the
> ones who come out with advice like 'pull yourself together' when you are
> depressed.
> Prescribed ADs are a good way for some people to live some sort of
'normal'
> life whether in the long term or the sort term. For some they are life
> saving.
>
> I know that some are able to come off ADs once they are sober because it
was
> the alcohol that was causing the depression, but for others it is not as
> simple.......oh if only life ever was that simple.
> If you need them and they have been prescribed thoughtfully by a GP who
has
> taken into account all circumstances, then continue with them for as long
as
> you need them. If a person who condemns ADs had to walk in the shoes of a
> depressed person for just one day then they would have a change of heart.
>
> debs
>

http://www.breggin.com/
"When trying to withdraw from many psychiatric drugs, patients can develop
serious and even life-threatening emotional and physical reactions. In
short, it is dangerous not only to start taking psychiatric drugs but also
can be hazardous to stop taking them. Therefore, withdrawal from psychiatric
drugs should be done under clinical supervision. Principles of drug
withdrawal are discussed in Your Drug May Be Your Problem: How and Why to
Stop Taking Psychiatric Medications , by Peter R. Breggin, MD and David
Cohen, PhD."

> I take AD's to get something close to "balanced" in my emotional
> state. If you think they get you high or happy or block emotions,
> you've been seriously misinformed.


somehow, i think some folks believe that those of us who take antidepressants have an EASIER TIME working the steps.
our "pills" do all the work!

its total nonsense, but you will find that the critics (just a couple) in here, are as vociferously ANTI as those in
your NAZI AA meetings!

If a person who condemns ADs had to walk in the shoes of a
> depressed person for just one day then they would have a change of heart.
>
> debs
>
>

you are soooooooooooooo correct!

"My Name" <no@e-mail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93AB59A88E8E5MyIdToken@walks.like.a.duck.. .
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
> news:bdrl21$vuvf9$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de:
>
> > http://www.breggin.com/
> >"When trying to withdraw from many psychiatric drugs,
> >patients can develop
> > serious and even life-threatening emotional and physical
> > reactions. In short, it is dangerous not only to start
> > taking psychiatric drugs but also can be hazardous to stop
> > taking them. Therefore, withdrawal from psychiatric drugs
> > should be done under clinical supervision. Principles of
> > drug withdrawal are discussed in Your Drug May Be Your
> > Problem: How and Why to Stop Taking Psychiatric Medications
> > , by Peter R. Breggin, MD and David Cohen, PhD."
>
> Have _you_ read the book you mention?

No. What does it matter, the information bug ya, did it?

> The reason I ask is that by mentioning it, it looks as though
> you are reccomending it, however if you haven't actually read
> it, then mentioning it is a rather weak prop for your advocacy
> dontcha think,

Arguably, if I was indeed advocating the book.

>otherwise of course, it would be appropriate to
> mention, and of course it wouldn't have hurt to mention you've
> read it in the first place.
>

Given the absurdity of Usenet or the doctor being dependant on real
endorsement, let alone imagined endorsement from me, of course it wouldn't
have hurt you to find a real nit to pick, if nits is your thing.

Bob

> > Have _you_ read the book you mention?
>
> No. What does it matter.............................?
>


what does it matter?

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> If a person who condemns ADs had to walk in the shoes of a
> > depressed person for just one day then they would have a change of
heart.
> >
> > debs
> >
> >
>
> you are soooooooooooooo correct!
>
>

You are so wrong!

http://www.breggin.com/
"In short, it is dangerous not only to start taking psychiatric drugs but
also can be hazardous to stop taking them."

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> > I take AD's to get something close to "balanced" in my emotional
> > state. If you think they get you high or happy or block emotions,
> > you've been seriously misinformed.
>
>
> somehow, i think some folks believe that those of us who take
antidepressants have an EASIER TIME working the steps.
> our "pills" do all the work!
>
> its total nonsense,

I agree! It's probably total nonsense.

Amongst your multitudes of heresy pastes, is there any documented evidence
at all showing how *you* ever accomplished step two, let alone bothered with
the rest of the A.A. steps?

Bob

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> > > Have _you_ read the book you mention?
> >
> > No. What does it matter.............................?
> >
>
>
> what does it matter?
>

I did imagine the doctors advice might bug you, hahahahahaha

Bob

Bob