On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:22:06 GMT, "rosie readandpost"
<readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:

>................."if it works, don't change it" and it seems to be working!

I'll never argue with that.

Unfortunately, it's missing a bit, isn't it? There's often an
implication (or even direct statement) that "if it don't work, keep
trying until it does".

Curious how in AA people say "keep coming back", then go on to define
insanity as being "doing the same thing over and over, expecting
different results".

--
Blue Moon

Sometimes its not the system that needs changing but our attitude towards
it.

debs

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Illegitimi non Carborundum
"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:9e61f1e7b9d61246f9b781ed731b64bf@free.teranew s.com...
> On Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:22:06 GMT, "rosie readandpost"
> <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >................."if it works, don't change it" and it seems to be
working!
>
> I'll never argue with that.
>
> Unfortunately, it's missing a bit, isn't it? There's often an
> implication (or even direct statement) that "if it don't work, keep
> trying until it does".
>
> Curious how in AA people say "keep coming back", then go on to define
> insanity as being "doing the same thing over and over, expecting
> different results".
>
> --
> Blue Moon

As predicted..........

you ignored the main point of the posting and twisted the bit you could see
as the most likely to cause an argument.

You live a very sad life. I'm not even going to justify what I said with an
answer to you. Could I suggest that you get out more and start enjoying
your sobriety???

debs

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Illegitimi non Carborundum
"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:bdjohm$tik45$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de...
> Really? Recovery from alcoholism? Where are they? What type/s of
alcoholism?
> How can you say they are "very good"?
>
> Bob
>
>

On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:12:36 +0000 (UTC), "debs"
<debs172@btinternet.com> wrote:

>I think that some of your critisms of other peoples postings show a very
>shallow attitude towards life.

Towards life??? Lady, this newsgroup is about alcoholism. Period,
end of story, that's it. I get tired of the number of times someone
in an AA room starts talking about job issues, or money issues,
politics, or other stuff that's clearly not relevant to alcoholism.
Same applies here. Is that stuff important to them as individuals?
Of course! Asthma, low income, and a lack of health insurance is
important to me. Is it relevant to anyone wanting to find a solution
to alcoholism? Hell no. So talking stuff like politics IS irrelevant
to alcoholism. Does that mean politics cannot be important to some
people? No. It just means there's a time and a place for such
discussion, and a forum for alcoholism just ain't that place. Same
applies with other disorders - eating, smoking, bipolar, etc. Yes,
alcoholism may play a part in someone's life just as other disorders,
politics, money issues, the state of the garden, whether the cat has
ticks, etc. But when people fail to stick to the point, that point
surely gets lost.

So no, I'm not sitting here with a shallow attitude towards life. I'm
sitting here wanting others to be able to FIND a life that I know (but
they often don't) is available to them despite years of active
alcoholism, but which gets sadly masked by all the bullshit one
hears/reads.

So when you think I may be being selfish by pulling someone else up on
issues not relating to alcoholism, why not just sit and think a moment
.... which of us is REALLY back in self?

--
Blue Moon

Sorry my mistake.......didn't actually realise this was an AA newsgroup. I
though people posted in here with alcohol problems and maybe other issues
that may be making it difficult to either get or stay sober.
I though that the purpose of posting was maybe to get or offer
support...........apparently not!!!!!!!!!!!!!



--
Illegitimi non Carborundum
"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:22b9cc401d72c32d6d3edce94c6d3130@free.teranew s.com...
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:12:36 +0000 (UTC), "debs"
> <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >I think that some of your critisms of other peoples postings show a very
> >shallow attitude towards life.
>
> Towards life??? Lady, this newsgroup is about alcoholism. Period,
> end of story, that's it. I get tired of the number of times someone
> in an AA room starts talking about job issues, or money issues,
> politics, or other stuff that's clearly not relevant to alcoholism.
> Same applies here. Is that stuff important to them as individuals?
> Of course! Asthma, low income, and a lack of health insurance is
> important to me. Is it relevant to anyone wanting to find a solution
> to alcoholism? Hell no. So talking stuff like politics IS irrelevant
> to alcoholism. Does that mean politics cannot be important to some
> people? No. It just means there's a time and a place for such
> discussion, and a forum for alcoholism just ain't that place. Same
> applies with other disorders - eating, smoking, bipolar, etc. Yes,
> alcoholism may play a part in someone's life just as other disorders,
> politics, money issues, the state of the garden, whether the cat has
> ticks, etc. But when people fail to stick to the point, that point
> surely gets lost.
>
> So no, I'm not sitting here with a shallow attitude towards life. I'm
> sitting here wanting others to be able to FIND a life that I know (but
> they often don't) is available to them despite years of active
> alcoholism, but which gets sadly masked by all the bullshit one
> hears/reads.
>
> So when you think I may be being selfish by pulling someone else up on
> issues not relating to alcoholism, why not just sit and think a moment
> ... which of us is REALLY back in self?
>
> --
> Blue Moon

"debs" <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote in
news:bdm8pf$rl6$1@sparta.btinternet.com:

> Sorry my mistake.......didn't actually realise this was an
> AA newsgroup. I though people posted in here with alcohol
> problems and maybe other issues that may be making it
> difficult to either get or stay sober. I though that the
> purpose of posting was maybe to get or offer
> support...........apparently not!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Damn, I wish you would've included a winky
so I'd know fer sure you're being sarcastic.
Do continue to post your helpful info if you'd like to.
--
You know that some people are different.Now ain't that a crying
shame.Wouldn't it be a real drag, if we were all the same.Savoy
Brown

deb,
this is NOT just a group of AA members.
you have every right to be here.
just keep posting!

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

bitterness imprisons life; love releases it.
...................... harry emerson fosdick



"debs" <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote in message news:bdm8pf$rl6$1@sparta.btinternet.com...
> Sorry my mistake.......didn't actually realise this was an AA newsgroup. I
> though people posted in here with alcohol problems and maybe other issues
> that may be making it difficult to either get or stay sober.
> I though that the purpose of posting was maybe to get or offer
> support...........apparently not!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
>
>
> --
> Illegitimi non Carborundum
> "Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:22b9cc401d72c32d6d3edce94c6d3130@free.teranew s.com...
> > On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:12:36 +0000 (UTC), "debs"
> > <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> > >I think that some of your critisms of other peoples postings show a very
> > >shallow attitude towards life.
> >
> > Towards life??? Lady, this newsgroup is about alcoholism. Period,
> > end of story, that's it. I get tired of the number of times someone
> > in an AA room starts talking about job issues, or money issues,
> > politics, or other stuff that's clearly not relevant to alcoholism.
> > Same applies here. Is that stuff important to them as individuals?
> > Of course! Asthma, low income, and a lack of health insurance is
> > important to me. Is it relevant to anyone wanting to find a solution
> > to alcoholism? Hell no. So talking stuff like politics IS irrelevant
> > to alcoholism. Does that mean politics cannot be important to some
> > people? No. It just means there's a time and a place for such
> > discussion, and a forum for alcoholism just ain't that place. Same
> > applies with other disorders - eating, smoking, bipolar, etc. Yes,
> > alcoholism may play a part in someone's life just as other disorders,
> > politics, money issues, the state of the garden, whether the cat has
> > ticks, etc. But when people fail to stick to the point, that point
> > surely gets lost.
> >
> > So no, I'm not sitting here with a shallow attitude towards life. I'm
> > sitting here wanting others to be able to FIND a life that I know (but
> > they often don't) is available to them despite years of active
> > alcoholism, but which gets sadly masked by all the bullshit one
> > hears/reads.
> >
> > So when you think I may be being selfish by pulling someone else up on
> > issues not relating to alcoholism, why not just sit and think a moment
> > ... which of us is REALLY back in self?
> >
> > --
> > Blue Moon
>
>

;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-) ;-)

That's me, as usual, everything in excess

debs

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Illegitimi non Carborundum
"My Name" <no@e-mail.com> wrote in message
news:Xns93A9592BA74F1MyIdToken@walks.like.a.duck.. .
> "debs" <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote in
> news:bdm8pf$rl6$1@sparta.btinternet.com:
>
> > Sorry my mistake.......didn't actually realise this was an
> > AA newsgroup. I though people posted in here with alcohol
> > problems and maybe other issues that may be making it
> > difficult to either get or stay sober. I though that the
> > purpose of posting was maybe to get or offer
> > support...........apparently not!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>
> Damn, I wish you would've included a winky
> so I'd know fer sure you're being sarcastic.
> Do continue to post your helpful info if you'd like to.
> --
> You know that some people are different.Now ain't that a crying
> shame.Wouldn't it be a real drag, if we were all the same.Savoy
> Brown

"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:22b9cc401d72c32d6d3edce94c6d3130@free.teranew s.com...
> On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:12:36 +0000 (UTC), "debs"
> <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote:
>
> >I think that some of your critisms of other peoples postings show a very
> >shallow attitude towards life.
>
> Towards life??? Lady, this newsgroup is about alcoholism. Period,
> end of story, that's it. I get tired of the number of times someone
> in an AA room starts talking about job issues, or money issues,
> politics, or other stuff that's clearly not relevant to alcoholism.
> Same applies here. Is that stuff important to them as individuals?
> Of course! Asthma, low income, and a lack of health insurance is
> important to me. Is it relevant to anyone wanting to find a solution
> to alcoholism? Hell no. So talking stuff like politics IS irrelevant
> to alcoholism. Does that mean politics cannot be important to some
> people? No. It just means there's a time and a place for such
> discussion, and a forum for alcoholism just ain't that place. Same
> applies with other disorders - eating, smoking, bipolar, etc. Yes,
> alcoholism may play a part in someone's life just as other disorders,
> politics, money issues, the state of the garden, whether the cat has
> ticks, etc. But when people fail to stick to the point, that point
> surely gets lost.

<snip>

> Blue Moon


To a certain extent I agree with you. However, if any member of this group finds themselves in a
situation that they find hard to deal with and it is one that would have caused them to turn to
drink in the past, there is, imo, one good reason why we should know about it. At such times,
their resolve not to drink is most likely going to be weak and by confiding in us and getting back
support and encouragement, they might get through this period without drinking. Some of my posts
and also others I have read, indicate that our group sometimes works in this way. I hope it will
continue to do so otherwise for me, its value will be greatly reduced.

JB.

I agree to a certain extent. But I don't think this would be a very
exciting or informative newsgroup if we strictly stuck to alcohol issues and
nothing else.

we could all sign in and say how many days we have been sober......if we
have been tempted to drink that day and how glad we are to be sober and that
would be it. Gee if that happens I will stick to talking to the wall.

We are all products of our past lives and sometimes we carry things over
which make it difficult to remain sober, but it is nice to be able to get
some support here as there is nearly always someone here who has been
through similar things and can maybe give us a few good pointers to coping
mechanisms.

For those of you who don't mind my posts then of course I am sticking around
(I'm not going to throw my rattle out of my pram just because of one person)
And for those of you who don't like my posts>

>


>


>

tough shit.

debs

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Illegitimi non Carborundum
"catsruleok" <catsruleok@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:bdmq9d$ef9$1@news8.svr.pol.co.uk...
> "Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:22b9cc401d72c32d6d3edce94c6d3130@free.teranew s.com...
> > On Sat, 28 Jun 2003 09:12:36 +0000 (UTC), "debs"
> > <debs172@btinternet.com> wrote:
> >
> > >I think that some of your critisms of other peoples postings show a
very
> > >shallow attitude towards life.
> >
> > Towards life??? Lady, this newsgroup is about alcoholism. Period,
> > end of story, that's it. I get tired of the number of times someone
> > in an AA room starts talking about job issues, or money issues,
> > politics, or other stuff that's clearly not relevant to alcoholism.
> > Same applies here. Is that stuff important to them as individuals?
> > Of course! Asthma, low income, and a lack of health insurance is
> > important to me. Is it relevant to anyone wanting to find a solution
> > to alcoholism? Hell no. So talking stuff like politics IS irrelevant
> > to alcoholism. Does that mean politics cannot be important to some
> > people? No. It just means there's a time and a place for such
> > discussion, and a forum for alcoholism just ain't that place. Same
> > applies with other disorders - eating, smoking, bipolar, etc. Yes,
> > alcoholism may play a part in someone's life just as other disorders,
> > politics, money issues, the state of the garden, whether the cat has
> > ticks, etc. But when people fail to stick to the point, that point
> > surely gets lost.
>
> <snip>
>
> > Blue Moon
>
>
> To a certain extent I agree with you. However, if any member of this
group finds themselves in a
> situation that they find hard to deal with and it is one that would have
caused them to turn to
> drink in the past, there is, imo, one good reason why we should know
about it. At such times,
> their resolve not to drink is most likely going to be weak and by
confiding in us and getting back
> support and encouragement, they might get through this period without
drinking. Some of my posts
> and also others I have read, indicate that our group sometimes works in
this way. I hope it will
> continue to do so otherwise for me, its value will be greatly reduced.
>
> JB.
>
>