My sponsor has asked me to find out why the 12 promises, NOT the 12 rewards,
be read at the conclusion of meetings. After searching near and far, the
only answer coming to mind is that the 12 Promises are found within the Big
Book, while the Rewards were written outside of the book. Does anyone have
any insight into this? Any intelligent/pertinent replies are greatly
appreciated.

- Cartman

On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:03:05 -0500, "Cartman"
<omar_adebisi@hotmail.com> wrote:

>My sponsor has asked me to find out why the 12 promises, NOT the 12 rewards,
>be read at the conclusion of meetings. After searching near and far, the
>only answer coming to mind is that the 12 Promises are found within the Big
>Book, while the Rewards were written outside of the book. Does anyone have
>any insight into this? Any intelligent/pertinent replies are greatly
>appreciated.

What rewards?

Perhaps the "rewards" (whatever they are) are not found in any
approved AA literature, therefore would not (normally) be part of an
AA meeting. I've never heard of them, and feel reasonably confident
they're in neither the big book nor the 12x12.

It's also not true to say that the promises are read at the conclusion
of meetings, or at any time in meetings. That's an individual group
conscience decision.

Your sponsor, not I, is the person who really should be telling you
this. My sponsor is there to answer my questions, not the other way
around.

--
Blue Moon

I think you nailed it ! That's reason enough. Tell your sponsor you found
the key in the 1st Concept which says, "As AA groups we are responsible for
the service activity of AA as a whole - ie. the writing of uniform AA
literature, ..." (a short form).

And keep that sponsor - he / she is a good one.

"Cartman" <omar_adebisi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:aLydndXMN7q5HzmiRVn-uw@comcast.com...
> My sponsor has asked me to find out why the 12 promises, NOT the 12
rewards,
> be read at the conclusion of meetings. After searching near and far, the
> only answer coming to mind is that the 12 Promises are found within the
Big
> Book, while the Rewards were written outside of the book. Does anyone have
> any insight into this? Any intelligent/pertinent replies are greatly
> appreciated.
>
> - Cartman
>
>

"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:e65cacc99f2105b96d45f3b82916686b@news.teranew s.com...
> On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:03:05 -0500, "Cartman"
> <omar_adebisi@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >My sponsor has asked me to find out why the 12 promises, NOT the 12
rewards,
> >be read at the conclusion of meetings.

>
> What rewards?
>
> Your sponsor, not I, is the person who really should be telling you
> this. My sponsor is there to answer my questions, not the other way
> around.
> Blue Moon

Ta, ta - ever hear of "teach a man to fish" ? Why don't you ask your
sponsor about the "Rewards" Blue Moon ?

"Srgnt Biilko" <Sarge@yazoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:e65cacc99f2105b96d45f3b82916686b@news.teranew s.com...
> > On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:03:05 -0500, "Cartman"
> > <omar_adebisi@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > >My sponsor has asked me to find out why the 12 promises, NOT the 12
> rewards,
> > >be read at the conclusion of meetings.
>
> >
> > What rewards?
> >
> > Your sponsor, not I, is the person who really should be telling you
> > this. My sponsor is there to answer my questions, not the other way
> > around.
> > Blue Moon
>
> Ta, ta - ever hear of "teach a man to fish" ? Why don't you ask your
> sponsor about the "Rewards" Blue Moon ?
>
>

http://www.12steps.org/Brochure/menubord/PROMISES.htm

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:bo249n$12fr2d$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
>
> "Srgnt Biilko" <Sarge@yazoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ul0pb.24031$Ec1.2182127@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> >
> > "Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:e65cacc99f2105b96d45f3b82916686b@news.teranew s.com...
> > > On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:03:05 -0500, "Cartman"
> > > <omar_adebisi@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > >My sponsor has asked me to find out why the 12 promises, NOT the 12
> > rewards,
> > > >be read at the conclusion of meetings.
> >
> > >
> > > What rewards?
> > >
> > > Your sponsor, not I, is the person who really should be telling you
> > > this. My sponsor is there to answer my questions, not the other way
> > > around.
> > > Blue Moon
> >
> > Ta, ta - ever hear of "teach a man to fish" ? Why don't you ask your
> > sponsor about the "Rewards" Blue Moon ?
> >
> http://www.12steps.org/Brochure/menubord/PROMISES.htm
>

This is a perfect example of the purpose of the Concepts - to avoid bringing
modified writings of parasite organizations (that pleasurize) into AA.

Srgnt Biilko wrote:
>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message

> > http://www.12steps.org/Brochure/menubord/PROMISES.htm
> >
>
> This is a perfect example of the purpose of the Concepts - to avoid bringing
> modified writings of parasite organizations (that pleasurize) into AA.

This has potential. Hold on guys while I run and whip up some buttered
popcorn.

Gramps

"Srgnt Biilko" <Sarge@yazoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:bo249n$12fr2d$1@ID-49289.news.uni-berlin.de...
> >
> > "Srgnt Biilko" <Sarge@yazoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:ul0pb.24031$Ec1.2182127@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net...
> > >
> > > "Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:e65cacc99f2105b96d45f3b82916686b@news.teranew s.com...
> > > > On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:03:05 -0500, "Cartman"
> > > > <omar_adebisi@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >My sponsor has asked me to find out why the 12 promises, NOT the 12
> > > rewards,
> > > > >be read at the conclusion of meetings.
> > >
> > > >
> > > > What rewards?
> > > >
> > > > Your sponsor, not I, is the person who really should be telling you
> > > > this. My sponsor is there to answer my questions, not the other way
> > > > around.
> > > > Blue Moon
> > >
> > > Ta, ta - ever hear of "teach a man to fish" ? Why don't you ask your
> > > sponsor about the "Rewards" Blue Moon ?
> > >
> > http://www.12steps.org/Brochure/menubord/PROMISES.htm
> >
>
> This is a perfect example of the purpose of the Concepts - to avoid
bringing
> modified writings of parasite organizations (that pleasurize) into AA.
>
>

Sorry folks. Abandon all hope, go direct to despair. Seems that hope has
*not* been granted conference approval!

Bob;-)

"Cartman" <omar_adebisi@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:aLydndXMN7q5HzmiRVn-uw@comcast.com...
> My sponsor has asked me to find out why the 12 promises, NOT the 12
rewards,
> be read at the conclusion of meetings. After searching near and far, the
> only answer coming to mind is that the 12 Promises are found within the
Big
> Book, while the Rewards were written outside of the book. Does anyone have
> any insight into this? Any intelligent/pertinent replies are greatly
> appreciated.
>
> - Cartman
>


JESUS' entourage, the Apostles, had 12 members.
ELVIS' entourage, the Memphis Mafia, had 12 members.

In totality :

A comparison of Jesus & Elvis

JESUS is the Lord's shepherd.
ELVIS dated Cybill Shepherd.

JESUS was a carpenter.
ELVIS' favorite high school class was wood shop.

JESUS was part of the Trinity.
ELVIS' very first band was a trio.

JESUS' entourage, the Apostles, had 12 members.
ELVIS' entourage, the Memphis Mafia, had 12 members.

JESUS is a Capricorn. (December 25)
ELVIS is a Capricorn. (January 8)

JESUS was the lamb of God.
ELVIS had mutton chop sideburns.

JESUS was first and foremost the Son of God.
ELVIS first recorded with Sun Studios, performing what are till considered
to be his foremost recordings.

JESUS' Father is everywhere.
ELVIS' father was a drifter, and moved around quite a bit.

JESUS said, "If any man thirst, let him come unto me, and drink." (John
7:37)
ELVIS said, "Drinks on me!" (Jailhouse Rock, MGM:1957)

JESUS fasted for 40 days and nights.
ELVIS had irregular eating habits. (eg: 5 banana splits for breakfast)

JESUS said: "Man shall not live by bread alone."
ELVIS liked his sandwiches with peanut butter and bananas.

Matthew was one of JESUS' many biographers. (The Gospel according to
Matthew)
Neil Matthews was one of ELVIS' many biographers. (Elvis: A Golden Tribute)

"[JESUS'] countenance was like lightning, and his raiment white as snow."
(Matthew 28:3)
ELVIS wore snow-white jumpsuits with lightning bolts.

JESUS said: "Love thy neighbor." (Matthew 22:39)
ELVIS said: "Don't be cruel." (RCA 1956)

JESUS walked on water. (Matthew 14:25)
ELVIS surfed on water. (Blue Hawaii, Paramount:1965)

Mary, an important woman in JESUS' life, had an Immaculate conception.
Priscilla, an important woman in ELVIS' life, attended Immaculate Conception
High School.

JESUS H. CHRIST has 12 letters.
ELVIS PRESLEY has 12 letters.

No one knows what the "H" in "JESUS H. Christ" stood for.
No one was really sure if ELVIS' middle name was "Aron" or "Aaron".

JESUS wore a crown of thorns.
ELVIS wore Royal Crown hair styler.

JESUS had his famous Resurrection.
ELVIS had the famous 1968 "comeback" TV special.

JESUS lived in a state of grace, in a Near Eastern land.
ELVIS lived in Graceland, in a nearly eastern state.


Peace
Michael H.

In article <e65cacc99f2105b96d45f3b82916686b@news.teranews.co m>, Blue
Moon <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On Sat, 1 Nov 2003 23:03:05 -0500, "Cartman"
> <omar_adebisi@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >My sponsor has asked me to find out why the 12 promises, NOT the 12 rewards,
> >be read at the conclusion of meetings. After searching near and far, the
> >only answer coming to mind is that the 12 Promises are found within the Big
> >Book, while the Rewards were written outside of the book. Does anyone have
> >any insight into this? Any intelligent/pertinent replies are greatly
> >appreciated.
>
> What rewards?
>
> Perhaps the "rewards" (whatever they are) are not found in any
> approved AA literature, therefore would not (normally) be part of an
> AA meeting. I've never heard of them, and feel reasonably confident
> they're in neither the big book nor the 12x12.
>
> It's also not true to say that the promises are read at the conclusion
> of meetings, or at any time in meetings. That's an individual group
> conscience decision.
>
> Your sponsor, not I, is the person who really should be telling you
> this. My sponsor is there to answer my questions, not the other way
> around.

Huh? Is that "should" found in the literature?