>Not. The OP was simply asking a question. I think the woman has
>misunderstood exactly what the court order is. I believe a rehab
>center would be acceptable as they certainly are not about to serve
>alcohol at one.
>But then, in california, it could happen.

I believe some types of rehab programs (I'm thinking particularly
of those to quit smoking) DO use techniques like having the participant
smoke and associating it with something unpleasant like mild electric
shocks, or having them (once) smoke so much it makes them sick.

Could an alcohol rehab program serve alcohol? I think it's possible,
in the context of the program. I also suspect that the program will get
a lot of customers from court-ordered rehab, so they have provisions
to NOT do this for certain participants.

Does the court order prohibit associating with known alcoholics? That's
harder to get around.

"JoeRaisin" <joeraisin@charter.net> wrote in message
news:rmAsj.1$VG.0@newsfe02.lga...
> Tim Bruening wrote:
>> One of my co-workers has an alcoholic wife who is court ordered not to
>> drink or have anything to do with alcohol. When I asked her to enter an
>> alcohol rehabilitation program, she said that such a program would
>> violate the court order! Is such a bizarre situation true? If so, what
>> idiot made up that rule????? Both she and I live in Davis, California,
>> which is in Yolo County.
>>
>
> That doesn't make a whole lot of sense, but then it is California...

http://groups.google.com/groups/prof...7D_d0unlBSqu6g

Joe, with all due respects to this poster - I knew I bumped into him
elsewhere.

Stan Kegel and him post a lot, and I mean a big lot....
Work it out for yourself :-)
You know the way I work in a centre that deals with 'problems' ?
We very often get folks in, that have no discernable problems, but enquire
for a family member or a friend, inlaw, etc. Hmmm well I take back the bit
about him trolling, but he still never answered me about where we bumped
into each other before. I love playing with numbers and figures :-)

Cheers

Tommy

Gordon Burditt wrote:
>> Not. The OP was simply asking a question. I think the woman has
>> misunderstood exactly what the court order is. I believe a rehab
>> center would be acceptable as they certainly are not about to serve
>> alcohol at one.
>> But then, in california, it could happen.
>
> I believe some types of rehab programs (I'm thinking particularly
> of those to quit smoking) DO use techniques like having the participant
> smoke and associating it with something unpleasant like mild electric
> shocks, or having them (once) smoke so much it makes them sick.
>
> Could an alcohol rehab program serve alcohol? I think it's possible,
> in the context of the program. I also suspect that the program will get
> a lot of customers from court-ordered rehab, so they have provisions
> to NOT do this for certain participants.
>
> Does the court order prohibit associating with known alcoholics? That's
> harder to get around.
>

The old Schick Centers used the shock treatment. Research doesn't speak
well of it. For one thing, (surprise) shocking someone can sometimes
cause some unpleasant psychological after affects.

On Feb 13, 8:05*pm, "F.H." <connec...@verizon.net> wrote:
> The old Schick Centers used the shock treatment. *Research doesn't speak
> well of it. *For one thing, (surprise) shocking someone can sometimes
> cause some unpleasant psychological after affects.- Hide quoted text -


I read a lot of papers on Schick Shaddel and they use aversion
therapy using apomorphine for 4 to 6 weeks and then psychotherapy.
They claim to have treated 70,000 successfully.

I found it very interesting that they do not treat women cuz they
found them too emotional nor do they treat young men, single men or
divorced men as they foumd them too immature and irresponsible.

They have had great success with married men over 45 years with a
history of employment.

I found it interesting that they admit the limitations of their
success.
Jimbo

On Feb 13, 8:05*pm, "F.H." <connec...@verizon.net> wrote:
> The old Schick Centers used the shock treatment. *Research doesn't speak
> well of it. *For one thing, (surprise) shocking someone can sometimes
> cause some unpleasant psychological after affects.- Hide quoted text -

They still do but not in the same manner as psychiatric treatments. It
is used on patients who cannot take the chemical aversion.

They have you take a drink and then you get a good jolt of Edison
medicine. Soon yer mind associates drinking with getting zapped and
you don't want to get zapped more than you want to drink. It keeps 'em
sober while they go thru psychotherapy.

A friend, Bill White put together a great book titled "Slaying the
Dragon, the history of addiction and recovery in America." I did some
history presentatrions with him and it is a great book for 20$ (81/2 X
11 soft cover).

One of the most surprising things I found was that there were more
treatment centers in the U.S. in the period 1880 to 1910 than existed
in the 1970's.
Jimbo

On Wed, 13 Feb 2008 18:56:04 -0500, "David L. Martel"
<marte005@earthlink.net> wrote:

> Perhaps yes, perhaps no. That's my interpretation of the OP's
>post,though. He should just butt out.

Then he hasn't been told to butt out...you just think he should.
That's a big difference.