"Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
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> Dan from Boston wrote:
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>> Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
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>> >
>> > If an alcoholic happens to be an atheist, how would he apply the 12
>> > Steps?
>>
>> See my previous post on the subject - I'm an atheist and have had no
>> problems with the steps.
>
> How were you able to turn to a "Higher Power/God" without BELIEVING in
> God's
> existence?
>

I didn't have to BELIEVE, I simply had to be WILLING to believe. See the Big
Book, i.e. willingness is the key.

On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 02:53:14 -0800, Tim Bruening wrote:

> If an alcoholic happens to be an atheist, how would he apply the 12
> Steps?

There is a suggestion on this topic in another approved AA literature, the
12 & 12. Here's a concept that may work for you. When I call a friend
for help, I am making that friend my higher power, albeit briefly. When I
turn to the group with a problem or challenge, I'm making the group my
higher power.

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On Tue, 05 Feb 2008 18:51:14 -0600, The Nolalu Barn Owl wrote:

> On Mon, 04 Feb 2008 17:28:12 -0500, Jamffer wrote:
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>> ou need to do what all Christians do.
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>> You need to (pretend) that a God exists.
>
> How do you KNOW for *certain* that all Christians do this?
> Hold it, maybe you are right. Who are the Christians?

And just what is a good catholic? ;-)

/me ducks

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On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 11:31:19 -0500, Jamffer wrote:

> Faith is really (self hypnosis) it has been proven in tests to create real
> physical body changes as (imaginary fire on hand) creating blisters etc.
> This same principle is the real effect of placebos, which most doctors know
> about and use.

If I believe in something and it works in spite of the lack of validity to
the belief, is there anything wrong with the delusional thought? Given
the alternatives, I think I'd continue to take the placebo and hope
someone doesn't tell me it's a sugar pill, unless I'm diabetic, of course.

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Tim Bruening wrote:
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> If an alcoholic atheist is COURT ORDERED to attend AA meetings, would
> this constitute an infringement on their First Amendment right to
> freedom of religion?



1. -> You can choose any god damn spiritual
leader/god of race, color, creed, sex. A glass, frog, or
door knob works too. AA don't care, neither does the courts.

2. -> Courts don't care. Period. It's cheaper than putting
your dumb ass in jail for 40 days for being stupid enough
to drive drunk.

(There are allot of folks in jail trying to find god now).


3. -> There is no such thing as an *atheist" . What a scape goat
bull shit excuse. If there were no gods .. there wouldn't be
a need for the word "atheist" .

Everyone wishes for a god when they are fucking, dying, waiting
in traffic, or wishing .. to get out of jail or 25 AA meetings.

4. Get over thinking you are special, unique, different,
or better than anyone else. That is *spiritual growth*.