Tim Bruening wrote:
>
> sharx35 wrote:
>
>> "Tim Bruening" <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
>> news:47A81F79.A84161E7@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
>>>
>>> "F.H." wrote:
>>>
>>>> Tim Bruening wrote:
>>>>> JoeRaisin wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tim Bruening wrote:
>>>>>>> jimbo wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 2, 7:38 pm, Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>> What medications, if any, do you take to reduce your cravings for
>>>>>>>>> alcohol?
>>>>>>>> I've never taken a medication to reduce craving nor have I ever
>>>>>>>> heard
>>>>>>>> of one that works. Her best best would be to consult a physician.
>>>>>>>> Jimbo
>>>>>>> How then do you resist the urge to drink?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> I couldn't - at least not for very long. That was until I began
>>>>>> working
>>>>>> a program in AA.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> AA taught me to draw strength from my higher power in order to avoid
>>>>>> that first drink. By staying sober for more than a few days to a few
>>>>>> weeks at a time I continued working the steps and developed a new
>>>>>> perspective on myself - a perspective that meant I could look at
>>>>>> myself
>>>>>> in the mirror without loathing. Once I became comfortable with who I
>>>>>> was, avoiding the first drink became a lot less difficult.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I will offer to you a perspective you may not have considered. If
>>>>>> your
>>>>>> friend's wife is an alcoholic she is not drinking for the same reasons
>>>>>> as you or most other social drinkers. Most people drink because they
>>>>>> like the way it makes them feel, alcoholics drink because they don't
>>>>>> like the way they feel when they are not drinking.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Slogans won't change that, nor will medications.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If AA isn't her cup of tea, she could try Rational Recovery which
>>>>>> utilizes "Addictive Voice Recognition Technique" in order to stave off
>>>>>> cravings. The only caveat with RR is to try and avoid the anger that
>>>>>> the program is darned near built upon. While reading the small book I
>>>>>> get the impression that RR sobriety is more a case of staying sober
>>>>>> 'at'
>>>>>> AA rather than being sober to better one's life.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> In the end, however, it boils down to whether or not she 'wants' to
>>>>>> quit
>>>>>> drinking. If not, nothing you (or even your friend) can do to get her
>>>>>> to stop.
>>>>> After nearly losing her husband last week, I believe that she now wants
>>>>> to
>>>>> quit. The problem is that she gets a strong craving for alcohol after
>>>>> a few
>>>>> days. Often, her stepdad shows up and takes her to a bar to drink
>>>>> double
>>>>> vodkas. I was hoping to find drugs to reduce that craving so that her
>>>>> will
>>>>> power would be enough to resist the reduced craving.
>>>> Glucose tablets.
>>> How do glucose tablets work?
>>>
>> They sweeten up sour old farts.
>
> How does that reduce alcohol cravings?
>

The body converts alcohol to glycogen. The drunk's body is used to this
sugar, so part of the craving can be reduced by giving it sugar.

Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> "(David P.)" wrote:
> > Tim Bruening <tsbru...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > > What happens if the alcoholic is an atheist?
> > > How would he draw on a "Higher Power"?
>
> > Get down on his knees and ask God for help!
>
> But he doesn't believe in God, so how can he ask God for help?

Suspend his disbelief, what else?
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In news:47a857f7$0$47156$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.oct anews.com,
Troia <troia.legata@gmail.removethiscom> typed:lugubriously
> Tim Bruening wrote:
>>
>> sharx35 wrote:
> Sorry, it's a lot like those folks who want to lose weight but don't
> want to restrict their diet in any way nor change their lifetime
> habits. One could say that taking Alli and continuing old habits
> will cause weight loss, but the reality is that even if one takes it
> & survives the side-effects, the moment one stops taking it (and
> often before) it stops being of any use, and because habits are what
> they always have been, weight will tend to be regained quickly.
>
> Hope that clarifies, though I recognize my explanation is a bit
> clumsy.
>
> -- Troia

http://preview.tinyurl.com/34gp7h

Not really clarifying a highly complicated situation where kidneys and liver
have metabolically changed over lengthy periods:
due to poor or unstable diet, excessive periods of binge drinking...

long drawn out 'aftereffects; such as hangovers and dehydration.

It is not always about 'sugar' but about how the body did or did not process
other elements when sugar is needed.

Frank is more the expert here, but sugar or lack of proper disposal in the
system is also a very high pointer in mental shall we call it instabilities,
ie, anger, low tolerance, moodswings, depressive states. I'm sure there is
a cause and effect after stopping drinking :-)

One other thing Tim, would you ever snip the irrelevant shite from your
replies. It seems you're starting to enjoy the attention you're created
with your story (sic) and these threads have a habit of escalating into one
liner replies..
Tommy
Patients with pre-diabetes who have insulin resistance can also have low
sugars on occasion if their high circulating insulin levels are further
challenged by a prolonged period of fasting. There are other rare causes for
hypoglycemia, such as insulin producing tumors (insulinomas) and certain
medications. These uncommon causes of hypoglycemia will not be discussed in
this article, which will primarily focus on the hypoglycemia occurring with
diabetes mellitus and its treatment.

Despite our advances in the treatment of diabetes, hypoglycemic episodes are
often the limiting factor in achieving optimal blood sugar control. In large
scale studies looking at tight control in both type 1 and type 2 diabetes,
low blood sugars occurred more often in the patients who were managed most
intensively. This is important for patients and physicians to recognize,
especially as the goal for treating patients with diabetes become tighter
blood sugar control.

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Tommy wrote:

> In news:47a857f7$0$47156$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.oct anews.com,
> Troia <troia.legata@gmail.removethiscom> typed:lugubriously
>> Tim Bruening wrote:
>>>
>>> sharx35 wrote:
>> Sorry,
>> Hope that clarifies, though I recognize my explanation is a bit
>> clumsy.
>>
>> -- Troia
>
> http://preview.tinyurl.com/34gp7h
>
> Not really clarifying a highly complicated situation
> Frank is more the expert here,
> One other thing Tim, would you ever snip the irrelevant shite from your
> replies. It seems you're starting to enjoy the attention you're created
> with your story (sic) and these threads have a habit of escalating into
> one liner replies..
> Tommy

Oh shite, I hope he don't see the reply I jest made to yew Tex. I never
gonna be match the piss stain he gonna spew over thet one. ;-)

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Tommy wrote:
> In news:47a857f7$0$47156$892e0abb@auth.newsreader.oct anews.com,
> Troia <troia.legata@gmail.removethiscom> typed:lugubriously
....
>> Hope that clarifies, though I recognize my explanation is a bit
>> clumsy.

> http://preview.tinyurl.com/34gp7h
>
> Not really clarifying a highly complicated situation where kidneys and liver
> have metabolically changed over lengthy periods:
> due to poor or unstable diet, excessive periods of binge drinking...
>
> long drawn out 'aftereffects; such as hangovers and dehydration.
>
> It is not always about 'sugar' but about how the body did or did not process
> other elements when sugar is needed.
>
> Frank is more the expert here, but sugar or lack of proper disposal in the
> system is also a very high pointer in mental shall we call it instabilities,
> ie, anger, low tolerance, moodswings, depressive states. I'm sure there is
> a cause and effect after stopping drinking :-)
>

Yes, I appreciate others who have the background, going into it more
carefully and completely. It's clearly a complex issue with no one
answer that fits everyone with an alcohol problem (and I hope the OP got
the gist that it's a bit flippant to think taking a glucose pill will do
away with the desire to drink; would that it were so simple!)

Thanks for not detailing the flaws in what was a rather limited slice of
response, also only addressing one particular manifestation of the issue
in some people, and instead being much clearer about it (IMO).
*s*


-- Troia

Dan from Boston wrote:

> Tim Bruening <tsbrueni@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> > Yesterday morning, she went to a 6:30 am AA meeting by walking in the
> > cold, as she had lost the keys to her truck, and doesn't have a bike.
> > When I last talked to her, she was about to go to a 6:30 pm meeting.
> > Fortunately, she got new keys for her truck yesterday during the day, as
> > she had gotten a cold from walking in the cold.
>
> That's very encouraging. I've found that when a person isn't ready for the
> program, any excuse will do. When they are ready, you can't keep them out
> with a baseball bat.

She attended two more meetings today, then picked up her husband at the
library and went on a date.

"Dan from Boston" <danfromboston2@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:20080205083558.180$rS@newsreader.com...
> "sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> At the start of recovery, all should be issued an industrial-strength
>> vibrator--to "take the edge off".
>
> Tim, Sharx is an erotomaniac and a right-wing nutcake, but when he speaks
> on AA (not in this post!) he knows his stuff.

Inappropriate sexual relationships, especially early in recovery, have
caused a LOT of alcoholics to go back drinking.

On Wed, 06 Feb 2008 10:47:23 GMT, "sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com>
wrote:

>
>Inappropriate sexual relationships, especially early in recovery, have
>caused a LOT of alcoholics to go back drinking.

Explain inappropriate sexual relationships....

"We reviewed our own conduct over the years past. Where had we been
selfish, dishonest, or inconsiderate? Whom had we hurt? Did we
unjustifiably arouse jealousy, suspicion or bitterness? Where were we
at fault, what should we have done instead? We got this all down on
paper and looked at it.

In this way we tried to shape a sane and sound ideal for our future
sex life. We subjected each relation to this test-was it selfish or
not? We asked God to mold our ideals and help us to live up to them.
We remembered always that our sex powers were God-given and therefore
good, neither to be used lightly or selfishly nor to be despised and
loathed.

Whatever our ideal turns out to be, we must be willing to grow toward
it. We must be willing to make amends where we have done harm,
provided that we do not bring about still more harm in so doing. In
other words, we treat sex as we would any other problem. in
meditation, we ask God what we should do about each specific matter.
The right answer will come, if we want it.

God alone can judge our sex situation.Counsel with other persons is
often desirable, but we let God be the final judge. We realize that
some people are as fanatical about sex as others are loose. We avoid
hysterical thinking or advice.

Suppose we fall short of the chosen ideal and stumble? Does this mean
we are going to get drunk. Some people tell us so. But this is only a
half-truth. It depends on us and on our motives. If we are sorry for
what we have done, and have the honest desire to let God take us to
better things, we believe we will be forgiven and will have learned
our lesson. If we are not sorry, and our conduct continues to harm
others, we are quite sure to drink. We are not theorizing. These are
facts out of our experience.

To sum up about sex: We earnestly pray for the right ideal, for
guidance in each questionable situation, for sanity, and for the
strength to do the right thing. If sex is very troublesome, we throw
ourselves the harder into helping others. We think of their needs and
work for them. This takes us out of ourselves. It quiets the imperious
urge, when to yield would mean heartache.
If we have been thorough about our personal inventory, we have written
down a lot. We have listed and analyzed our resentments. We have begun
to comprehend their futility and their fatality. We have commenced to
see their terrible destructiveness. We have begun to learn tolerance,
patience and good will toward all men, even our enemies, for we look
on them as sick people. We have listed the people we have hurt by our
conduct, and are willing to straighten out the past if we can."

Sounds like sex ain't what gets ya drunk...like anything else...it's
the individual that gets the individual drunk.

"sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Inappropriate sexual relationships, especially early in recovery, have
> caused a LOT of alcoholics to go back drinking.

Absolutely true. The newcomer should avoid dating within the program for at
least a year, and not make any life changes during that time (job,
location, marital status, etc.) -- of course, sometimes these things are
forced on us.

A lot of very savvy old timers recommend that we not date within the
program at all. I've seen both good and bad results from this.

Dan from Boston wrote:
> "sharx35" <sharx35@hotmail.com> wrote:


> Absolutely true. The newcomer should avoid dating within the program for at
> least a year, and not make any life changes during that time (job,
> location, marital status, etc.) -- of course, sometimes these things are
> forced on us.
>
> A lot of very savvy old timers recommend that we not date within the
> program at all. I've seen both good and bad results from this.

I have heard this "one year" thing quite a few times. I don't think it
is a hard and fast rule that should be pushed at anyone, but it is a
good general idea.

I would think dating someone in the program best avoided, unless BOTH
have a good strong recovery and quite a bit of time in...and even then,
it might not be so savvy...