So, I wanted to reach out to you guys for some advice. I'm looking to
enter a treatment program, as my drinking has gotten way, way out of
control. I need a full service rehab, with medical, psychiatric, even
dental care if possible. I've been circling the drain for a couple
decades now and haven't taken care of myself very well. I'm a mess,
but I'm ready to fix things. I'm prepared to spend whatever it takes
and I'm looking for the best. I need a mid-life tune-up/overhaul in a
bad way, and I want to find the best mechanics. Private rooms would
be a big plus as well. I don't mind driving, or even flying, to find
something that will work.

I've heard great things about McLean's Fernside program in MA, but I
can't go there because of a conflict of interests (long story). I'm
considering Silver Hill in CT, but I don't think they're prepared for
any possible medical complications with my detox (which are indeed
possible, if not likely).

Sincere thanks for any recommendations. Wish me luck!

Devon

Devon wrote:
> So, I wanted to reach out to you guys for some advice. I'm looking
> to enter a treatment program, as my drinking has gotten way, way out
> of control. I need a full service rehab, with medical, psychiatric,
> even dental care if possible. I've been circling the drain for a
> couple decades now and haven't taken care of myself very well. I'm a
> mess, but I'm ready to fix things. I'm prepared to spend whatever
> it takes and I'm looking for the best. I need a mid-life
> tune-up/overhaul in a bad way, and I want to find the best mechanics.
> Private rooms would be a big plus as well. I don't mind driving, or
> even flying, to find something that will work.
>
> I've heard great things about McLean's Fernside program in MA, but I
> can't go there because of a conflict of interests (long story). I'm
> considering Silver Hill in CT, but I don't think they're prepared
> for any possible medical complications with my detox (which are
> indeed possible, if not likely).
>
> Sincere thanks for any recommendations. Wish me luck!
>

Hi, Devon. I've sort of got used to a "Devon" posting here every now and
again, but irrespective if you're the same Devon, or not, I would
definitely post recommendations if I could.

What I can say is that about eight years before I started my definitive
recovery process, I sought the best (certainly the most expensive)
treatment (primal therapy) I could get, and flew to the other end of the
country to get "cured"

With benefit of hindsight, the one critical factor I neglected, both
during treatment and outpatient follow up; was that *total*
responsibility for my recovery is entirely mine. When I started arriving
at outpatient sessions drunk, they were not amused, and I was not
impressed. The outcome, after a second inpatient course at no extra cost
to me, was that my drinking slowly went from bad to worse.

I sincerely wish you the very best of luck.

--
Bob

> So, I wanted to reach out to you guys for some advice. I'm looking to
> enter a treatment program, as my drinking has gotten way, way out of
> control. I need a full service rehab, with medical, psychiatric, even
> dental care if possible. I've been circling the drain for a couple
> decades now and haven't taken care of myself very well. I'm a mess,
> but I'm ready to fix things. I'm prepared to spend whatever it takes
> and I'm looking for the best. I need a mid-life tune-up/overhaul in a
> bad way, and I want to find the best mechanics. Private rooms would
> be a big plus as well. I don't mind driving, or even flying, to find
> something that will work.
> I've heard great things about McLean's Fernside program in MA, but I
> can't go there because of a conflict of interests (long story). I'm
> considering Silver Hill in CT, but I don't think they're prepared for
> any possible medical complications with my detox (which are indeed
> possible, if not likely).
> Sincere thanks for any recommendations. Wish me luck!
> Devon

As I certainly hope the best for you, I've found from my ?? 8+ rehab's (4
long term/Teen Challenge, I gradutated that one, etc) and not to mention the
countless times in Detox's. One time I was court ordered to remain in a
detox facility for 1 full year, as the nurses had gotten to know me and
thought they could save me!!!
I was also in a rehab that even had maid service, personal shrink, etc!!!
Nothing but nothing helped until I was released from a 45 day jail sentence
with no shoes on my feet in a town up in Texas.
I managed to get into a Salvation Army and spent much time in a nearby AA
club. Getting there early to set-up and staying late to clean-up, three
times a day etc. I began working the steps to learn humility and began a
relationship with my HP.
Best of luck Devon

This was not posted by the 'Devon' who posts here ever now and again. I do,
however, wish this 'Devon' all the best to recover. I fight with it every
day because in all truth alcoholics like to drink. That's hard to give-up
especially when bored.



I wish I had a recovery center to add to your list. I will however say,
"Good for you! Go for it! Get the help you need." I know it's not going
to be easy-it might even be hell, but it's better than being hung-over sick
all the time. It's also better than always thinking about when you're going
to get your next fix.



Congrats,



The other Devon



> Hi, Devon. I've sort of got used to a "Devon" posting here every now and
> again, but irrespective if you're the same Devon, or not, I would
> definitely post recommendations if I could.
>
> What I can say is that about eight years before I started my definitive
> recovery process, I sought the best (certainly the most expensive)
> treatment (primal therapy) I could get, and flew to the other end of the
> country to get "cured"
>
> With benefit of hindsight, the one critical factor I neglected, both
> during treatment and outpatient follow up; was that *total*
> responsibility for my recovery is entirely mine. When I started arriving
> at outpatient sessions drunk, they were not amused, and I was not
> impressed. The outcome, after a second inpatient course at no extra cost
> to me, was that my drinking slowly went from bad to worse.
>
> I sincerely wish you the very best of luck.
>
> --
> Bob

Devon wrote:
> This was not posted by the 'Devon' who posts here ever now and again.
> I do, however, wish this 'Devon' all the best to recover. I fight
> with it every day because in all truth alcoholics like to drink.
> That's hard to give-up especially when bored.
>
>
>
> I wish I had a recovery center to add to your list. I will however
> say, "Good for you! Go for it! Get the help you need." I know it's
> not going to be easy-it might even be hell, but it's better than
> being hung-over sick all the time. It's also better than always
> thinking about when you're going to get your next fix.
>
>
>
> Congrats,
>
>
>
> The other Devon
>
>

Hello Devon. I mentioned recently that cut and paste is my forte.
However, in response to your comments, I think it fair to explain what
"recovery" in context, as distinct from just abstinence, means to me.

Recovery is the process of building, or rebuilding, the emotional health
of an alcoholic to a place where firstly, the act of drinking, then,
progressively, even thoughts of drinking, are no longer habitual
reactions to life. During recovery, an alcoholic starts learning, by
experience, how to cope relatively normally with both the pleasures and
adversities of life that most everyone experiences, be they alcoholic,
or not. While "in recovery" the alcoholic also learns how to minimise
self created adversities to an acceptable level.

HTH

--
Bob
"we all took turns there spouting off about how we had
changed our lives overnight, how many drunks we had saved and
straightened out, and last, but not least, how God had touched each of
us personally on the shoulder. Boy, what a circle of confused
idealists!" ... "Alcoholics Anonymous" p 246

Bob,

Gosh, you're smart. I just don't get those big words or even your level of
abstraction.

> Hello Devon. I mentioned recently that cut and paste is my forte.
> However, in response to your comments, I think it fair to explain what
> "recovery" in context, as distinct from just abstinence, means to me.
>
> Recovery is the process of building, or rebuilding, the emotional health
> of an alcoholic to a place where firstly, the act of drinking, then,
> progressively, even thoughts of drinking, are no longer habitual
> reactions to life. During recovery, an alcoholic starts learning, by
> experience, how to cope relatively normally with both the pleasures and
> adversities of life that most everyone experiences, be they alcoholic,
> or not. While "in recovery" the alcoholic also learns how to minimise
> self created adversities to an acceptable level.
>
> HTH
>
> --
> Bob
> "we all took turns there spouting off about how we had
> changed our lives overnight, how many drunks we had saved and
> straightened out, and last, but not least, how God had touched each of
> us personally on the shoulder. Boy, what a circle of confused
> idealists!" ... "Alcoholics Anonymous" p 246
>

Devon wrote:
> Bob,
>
> Gosh, you're smart. I just don't get those big words or even your level of
> abstraction.

Devon, I wish I could have written that accurately enough with smaller
words like they say smart people can always do, but I can't.

Seems I'm not alone though, the first thing I bought after a Big Book,
was a dictionary. to make sure I understood the big words other people
had written.

The Internet as we know it didn't exist back then, but these days,
understanding is as easy as a mouse click. http://dictionary.reference.com/

I'll try a quick summary though. To me, recovery means no longer
experiencing the struggle that you described as normal for an alcoholic
who is not drinking

Bob


>
>> Hello Devon. I mentioned recently that cut and paste is my forte.
>> However, in response to your comments, I think it fair to explain what
>> "recovery" in context, as distinct from just abstinence, means to me.
>>
>> Recovery is the process of building, or rebuilding, the emotional health
>> of an alcoholic to a place where firstly, the act of drinking, then,
>> progressively, even thoughts of drinking, are no longer habitual
>> reactions to life. During recovery, an alcoholic starts learning, by
>> experience, how to cope relatively normally with both the pleasures and
>> adversities of life that most everyone experiences, be they alcoholic,
>> or not. While "in recovery" the alcoholic also learns how to minimise
>> self created adversities to an acceptable level.
>>
>> HTH
>>
>> --
>> Bob
>> "we all took turns there spouting off about how we had
>> changed our lives overnight, how many drunks we had saved and
>> straightened out, and last, but not least, how God had touched each of
>> us personally on the shoulder. Boy, what a circle of confused
>> idealists!" ... "Alcoholics Anonymous" p 246
>>
>
>

Off the topic...

You've got a good heart, Bob. (And I mean that.)

Devon

On May 22, 10:25 am, "webslave" <novaNOSPAMca...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > So, I wanted to reach out to you guys for some advice. I'm looking to
> > enter a treatment program, as my drinking has gotten way, way out of
> > control. I need a full servicerehab, with medical, psychiatric, even
> > dental care if possible. I've been circling the drain for a couple
> > decades now and haven't taken care of myself very well. I'm a mess,
> > but I'm ready to fix things. I'm prepared to spend whatever it takes
> > and I'm looking for the best. I need a mid-life tune-up/overhaul in a
> > bad way, and I want to find the best mechanics. Private rooms would
> > be a big plus as well. I don't mind driving, or even flying, to find
> > something that will work.
> > I've heard great things about McLean's Fernside program in MA, but I
> > can't go there because of a conflict of interests (long story). I'm
> > considering Silver Hill in CT, but I don't think they're prepared for
> > any possible medical complications with my detox (which are indeed
> > possible, if not likely).
> > Sincere thanks for any recommendations. Wish me luck!
> > Devon
>
> As I certainly hope the best for you, I've found from my ?? 8+rehab's(4
> long term/TeenChallenge, I gradutated that one, etc) and not to mention the
> countless times in Detox's. One time I was court ordered to remain in a
> detox facility for 1 full year, as the nurses had gotten to know me and
> thought they could save me!!!
> I was also in arehabthat even had maid service, personal shrink, etc!!!
> Nothing but nothing helped until I was released from a 45 day jail sentence
> with no shoes on my feet in a town up in Texas.
> I managed to get into a Salvation Army and spent much time in a nearby AA
> club. Getting there early to set-up and staying late to clean-up, three
> times a day etc. I began working the steps to learn humility and began a
> relationship with my HP.
> Best of luck Devon- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

I've been to the Salvation Army and Teen Challenge. The S.A. is 100
times better that TC, where they try to browbeat you into "salvation."
I was court-ordered to TC, or I would have left right quick. I put
together a web site about my experiences at Teen Challenge.

http://www.teenchallengeexposed.com

>> > So, I wanted to reach out to you guys for some advice. I'm looking to
>> > enter a treatment program, as my drinking has gotten way, way out of
>> > control. I need a full servicerehab, with medical, psychiatric, even
>> > dental care if possible. I've been circling the drain for a couple
>> > decades now and haven't taken care of myself very well. I'm a mess,
>> > but I'm ready to fix things. I'm prepared to spend whatever it takes
>> > and I'm looking for the best. I need a mid-life tune-up/overhaul in a
>> > bad way, and I want to find the best mechanics. Private rooms would
>> > be a big plus as well. I don't mind driving, or even flying, to find
>> > something that will work.
>> > I've heard great things about McLean's Fernside program in MA, but I
>> > can't go there because of a conflict of interests (long story). I'm
>> > considering Silver Hill in CT, but I don't think they're prepared for
>> > any possible medical complications with my detox (which are indeed
>> > possible, if not likely).
>> > Sincere thanks for any recommendations. Wish me luck!
>> > Devon
>>
>> As I certainly hope the best for you, I've found from my ?? 8+rehab's(4
>> long term/TeenChallenge, I gradutated that one, etc) and not to mention
>> the
>> countless times in Detox's. One time I was court ordered to remain in a
>> detox facility for 1 full year, as the nurses had gotten to know me and
>> thought they could save me!!!
>> I was also in arehabthat even had maid service, personal shrink, etc!!!
>> Nothing but nothing helped until I was released from a 45 day jail
>> sentence
>> with no shoes on my feet in a town up in Texas.
>> I managed to get into a Salvation Army and spent much time in a nearby AA
>> club. Getting there early to set-up and staying late to clean-up, three
>> times a day etc. I began working the steps to learn humility and began a
>> relationship with my HP.
>> Best of luck Devon- Hide quoted text -
>>
> I've been to the Salvation Army and Teen Challenge. The S.A. is 100
> times better that TC, where they try to browbeat you into "salvation."
> I was court-ordered to TC, or I would have left right quick. I put
> together a web site about my experiences at Teen Challenge.
> http://www.teenchallengeexposed.com

Yes, as a graduate from a branch of Teen Challenge, I seen the under-belly
of
the program!
The program I was in, was a throw off from the orginal TC. It's curriculum
was
basically TC but also very different.
I graduated and was asked to be a manager in a newly formed house about
300 miles away. It was challenging to go on as such. It kept me sober for
near
2 years total.
But as mentioned, it wasn't till I had to fight for my sobriety and it's
still a daily
struggle!
peace and content sobriety to all that seek it
webby