Using God as I understand Him was one of the worst things I have ever
done in my life. I'm sober 28 years now. I'm not looking to influence
anyone or preach. Its just my experience.

"steve" <steve@axc.com> wrote in message
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> Using God as I understand Him was one of the worst things I have ever
> done in my life. I'm sober 28 years now. I'm not looking to influence
> anyone or preach. Its just my experience.


Why? I really am interested. At present, it is very hard for me to not
believe in God of my understanding. I do not go along with the God of some
others understanding. Most likely, it is the same God, just different
opinions of what that God wants, can do, is capable of doing, etc. Example:
I despise most rap music, but I don't believe that God despises it. Another:
example: Chris Angel is a fantastic illusionist, but God is the master
illusionist. I wonder if the people that call themselves Christian even
think further than going to church every Sunday so they can get to heaven. I
heard a song on the car radio the other day. I believe it was Patty Label.
Not sure of the name, but it went something like, "Walking around in heaven
all day." You know, my belief is that would be boring as hell! I could give
rats butt if the streets are paved with gold. I do believe that there has to
be something more than this crap we go through here on this Earth, and a
reason that we do go through it. I just don't believe it is to walk for
eternity on paved streets of gold and do nothing but worship God. That seems
very selfish and boring to me. Not to worry, I have already told the God of
my understanding how I feel about that, and I believe God wants more for me
than to sit on my ass in another life, or do nothing but walk around for
eternity.
I am very interested in what you mean, though.

Best,
Gail

"alienated granny gail" <dranoelliag@yahoo.com.com.com> wrote in message
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> "steve" <steve@axc.com> wrote in message
> news:bu3u43tglao4flpeuaorn5no316jhibtqc@4ax.com...
>> Using God as I understand Him was one of the worst things I have ever
>> done in my life. I'm sober 28 years now. I'm not looking to influence
>> anyone or preach. Its just my experience.
>
>
> Why? I really am interested. At present, it is very hard for me to not
> believe in God of my understanding. I do not go along with the God of some
> others understanding. Most likely, it is the same God, just different
> opinions of what that God wants, can do, is capable of doing, etc.
> Example: I despise most rap music, but I don't believe that God despises
> it. Another: example: Chris Angel is a fantastic illusionist, but God is
> the master illusionist. I wonder if the people that call themselves
> Christian even think further than going to church every Sunday so they can
> get to heaven. I heard a song on the car radio the other day. I believe it
> was Patty Label. Not sure of the name, but it went something like,
> "Walking around in heaven all day." You know, my belief is that would be
> boring as hell! I could give rats butt if the streets are paved with gold.
> I do believe that there has to be something more than this crap we go
> through here on this Earth, and a reason that we do go through it. I just
> don't believe it is to walk for eternity on paved streets of gold and do
> nothing but worship God. That seems very selfish and boring to me. Not to
> worry, I have already told the God of my understanding how I feel about
> that, and I believe God wants more for me than to sit on my ass in another
> life, or do nothing but walk around for eternity.
> I am very interested in what you mean, though.
>
> Best,
> Gail


A correction: Those people in church probably WILL make it it heaven. I
don't want to be their judge, even though I think I am some times.

steve wrote:
> Using God as I understand Him was one of the worst things I have ever
> done in my life. I'm sober 28 years now. I'm not looking to influence
> anyone or preach. Its just my experience.

LOL! Did God get terrible cranky with you for trying to *use* Him?

Didn't you ever stop giving orders long enough to remember it's supposed
to be the other way round, *Him* using you?

--
Bob
"we all took turns there spouting off about how we had
changed our lives overnight, how many drunks we had saved and
straightened out, and last, but not least, how God had touched each of
us personally on the shoulder. Boy, what a circle of confused
idealists!" ... "Alcoholics Anonymous" p 246

"Robert McGregor" <rule@sixtythree.com> wrote in message
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> steve wrote:
> > Using God as I understand Him was one of the worst things I have ever
> > done in my life. I'm sober 28 years now. I'm not looking to influence
> > anyone or preach. Its just my experience.
>
> LOL! Did God get terrible cranky with you for trying to *use* Him?
>
> Didn't you ever stop giving orders long enough to remember it's supposed
> to be the other way round, *Him* using you?

Same difference.

Craig S. wrote:
> "Robert McGregor" <rule@sixtythree.com> wrote in message
> news:464f3609$0$491$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
>> steve wrote:
>>> Using God as I understand Him was one of the worst things I have ever
>>> done in my life. I'm sober 28 years now. I'm not looking to influence
>>> anyone or preach. Its just my experience.
>> LOL! Did God get terrible cranky with you for trying to *use* Him?
>>
>> Didn't you ever stop giving orders long enough to remember it's supposed
>> to be the other way round, *Him* using you?
>
> Same difference.

I don't think *He* was using Falwell.

Craig S. wrote:
> "Robert McGregor" <rule@sixtythree.com> wrote in message
> news:464f3609$0$491$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
>> steve wrote:
>>> Using God as I understand Him was one of the worst things I have ever
>>> done in my life. I'm sober 28 years now. I'm not looking to influence
>>> anyone or preach. Its just my experience.
>> LOL! Did God get terrible cranky with you for trying to *use* Him?
>>
>> Didn't you ever stop giving orders long enough to remember it's supposed
>> to be the other way round, *Him* using you?
>
> Same difference.
>
>

Did you tell your employees it's the same difference as to who gives the
lead, and who does the work, or did the "recovering" hopefuls from the
rehab work that one out for themselves?

One concept I found "believers" generally easily agree with is "God will
not do for us what we can do for ourselves."


--
Bob

"Robert McGregor" <rule@sixtythree.com> wrote in message
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> Craig S. wrote:
> > "Robert McGregor" <rule@sixtythree.com> wrote in message
> >
news:464f3609$0$491$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
> >> steve wrote:
> >>> Using God as I understand Him was one of the worst things I have ever
> >>> done in my life. I'm sober 28 years now. I'm not looking to influence
> >>> anyone or preach. Its just my experience.
> >> LOL! Did God get terrible cranky with you for trying to *use* Him?
> >>
> >> Didn't you ever stop giving orders long enough to remember it's
supposed
> >> to be the other way round, *Him* using you?
> >
> > Same difference.
> >
> >
>
> Did you tell your employees it's the same difference as to who gives the
> lead, and who does the work, or did the "recovering" hopefuls from the
> rehab work that one out for themselves?
>
> One concept I found "believers" generally easily agree with is "God will
> not do for us what we can do for ourselves."

Isn't that about the same idea as if we were all waiting for God to do
something, we'd be waiting forever?

Craig S. wrote:
> "Robert McGregor" <rule@sixtythree.com> wrote in message
> news:464f48e5$0$494$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
>> Craig S. wrote:
>>> "Robert McGregor" <rule@sixtythree.com> wrote in message
>>>
> news:464f3609$0$491$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-03.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
>>>> steve wrote:
>>>>> Using God as I understand Him was one of the worst things I have ever
>>>>> done in my life. I'm sober 28 years now. I'm not looking to influence
>>>>> anyone or preach. Its just my experience.
>>>> LOL! Did God get terrible cranky with you for trying to *use* Him?
>>>>
>>>> Didn't you ever stop giving orders long enough to remember it's
> supposed
>>>> to be the other way round, *Him* using you?
>>> Same difference.
>>>
>>>
>> Did you tell your employees it's the same difference as to who gives the
>> lead, and who does the work, or did the "recovering" hopefuls from the
>> rehab work that one out for themselves?
>>
>> One concept I found "believers" generally easily agree with is "God will
>> not do for us what we can do for ourselves."
>
> Isn't that about the same idea as if we were all waiting for God to do
> something, we'd be waiting forever?
>

My original questions stemmed from a guess that if Steve's lament was
anything at all more than merely a troll, waiting in vain is precisely
what Steve had been doing. Compared to doing what *can* be done, that's
not the same difference at all.

--
Bob

"Robert McGregor" <rule@sixtythree.com> wrote in message
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> steve wrote:
>> Using God as I understand Him was one of the worst things I have ever
>> done in my life. I'm sober 28 years now. I'm not looking to influence
>> anyone or preach. Its just my experience.
>
> LOL! Did God get terrible cranky with you for trying to *use* Him?
>
> Didn't you ever stop giving orders long enough to remember it's supposed
> to be the other way round, *Him* using you?

As long as god doesn't mind Steve getting cranky when using him.

>
> --
> Bob
> "we all took turns there spouting off about how we had
> changed our lives overnight, how many drunks we had saved and
> straightened out, and last, but not least, how God had touched each of
> us personally on the shoulder. Boy, what a circle of confused
> idealists!" ... "Alcoholics Anonymous" p 246
>
>