When does one cross the line from a problem drinker into an alcoholic.

I admit that I find it incredibly hard to stop drinking once I start, and
usually end up pissed, but on the other hand
I have never had an eye opener, the dt's or serious alcohol withdrawel
symptoms.

I attend AA and admit im an alcoholic. But I have to admit, im questioning
it. I am wondering if im still in denial, or I really am an alcoholic. By
the way I've answered yes to pretty much every 12 questions on AA.

In my worst drinking, I would probably knock back around 5 or 6 pints a
night, sometime more, but I never kept count. I would end up drunk every
day.Always the last to leave the pub etc.

This went on roughly for about a year.

Then it stopped.

Then I sort of moved into less per day, but more at weekend type drinking.
But very rarely would I have alcohol free days. In fact hardly ever.

Cheers.

Oh yeah would love to knock back a few beers now!

Fred wrote:
> When does one cross the line from a problem drinker into an alcoholic.
>
> I admit that I find it incredibly hard to stop drinking once I start, and
> usually end up pissed, but on the other hand
> I have never had an eye opener, the dt's or serious alcohol withdrawel
> symptoms.
>
> I attend AA and admit im an alcoholic. But I have to admit, im questioning
> it. I am wondering if im still in denial, or I really am an alcoholic. By
> the way I've answered yes to pretty much every 12 questions on AA.
>
> In my worst drinking, I would probably knock back around 5 or 6 pints a
> night, sometime more, but I never kept count. I would end up drunk every
> day.Always the last to leave the pub etc.
>
> This went on roughly for about a year.
>
> Then it stopped.
>
> Then I sort of moved into less per day, but more at weekend type drinking.
> But very rarely would I have alcohol free days. In fact hardly ever.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Oh yeah would love to knock back a few beers now!
>
>

If its a problem, and you can't stop, what use is the distinction?

None,

but I was really hoping someone would say its ok to drink.

I mean I really feel like getting drunk today

"Fred" <FredBlogs@Nowhere.co.nz> wrote in message
news:tq__f.12622$JZ1.501418@news.xtra.co.nz...
> When does one cross the line from a problem drinker into an alcoholic.
>
> I admit that I find it incredibly hard to stop drinking once I start, and
> usually end up pissed, but on the other hand
> I have never had an eye opener, the dt's or serious alcohol withdrawel
> symptoms.
>
> I attend AA and admit im an alcoholic. But I have to admit, im questioning
> it. I am wondering if im still in denial, or I really am an alcoholic. By
> the way I've answered yes to pretty much every 12 questions on AA.
>
> In my worst drinking, I would probably knock back around 5 or 6 pints a
> night, sometime more, but I never kept count. I would end up drunk every
> day.Always the last to leave the pub etc.
>
> This went on roughly for about a year.
>
> Then it stopped.
>
> Then I sort of moved into less per day, but more at weekend type drinking.
> But very rarely would I have alcohol free days. In fact hardly ever.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Oh yeah would love to knock back a few beers now!

http://tinyurl.com/lnbt8

In case you're still questioning whether or not you're an alcoholic after
reading that link, have you tried AA's advice?

http://tinyurl.com/lmeq9

Bob




Bob

Fred wrote:
> When does one cross the line from a problem drinker into an alcoholic.

Well, I'm no expert, but I'd say the alcoholic is a wee bit smarter
than the problem drinker, and a lot more honest. As for that line, I
hear it's invisible from the front side. You can't see it until after
you've crossed over.

"Tallbob29" <robertkirsch@msn.com> wrote in message
news:1144842362.327803.267960@t31g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
> Fred wrote:
>> When does one cross the line from a problem drinker into an alcoholic.
>
> Well, I'm no expert, but I'd say the alcoholic is a wee bit smarter
> than the problem drinker, and a lot more honest. As for that line, I
> hear it's invisible from the front side. You can't see it until after
> you've crossed over.

Crossed over to being smarter and more honest than others, who, in
deplorable ignorance, judge alcoholics by inferior actions, rather than
superior intentions?

Bob;-)

Robert McGregor wrote:
> "Tallbob29" <robertkirsch@msn.com> wrote in message
> news:1144842362.327803.267960@t31g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>
>>Fred wrote:
>>
>>>When does one cross the line from a problem drinker into an alcoholic.
>>
>>Well, I'm no expert, but I'd say the alcoholic is a wee bit smarter
>>than the problem drinker, and a lot more honest. As for that line, I
>>hear it's invisible from the front side. You can't see it until after
>>you've crossed over.
>
>
> Crossed over to being smarter and more honest than others, who, in
> deplorable ignorance, judge alcoholics by inferior actions, rather than
> superior intentions?

Sounds like you're judging yourself, dude. Leave the labels aside and
look at what you're doing.

There's other recovery programs than AA. If the self-labelling of AA
doesn't fit for you, try another. I'm doing SmartRecovery. Try
SmartRecovery.org. I would suggest live meetings though, rather than
just doing it online.

"Fred" <FredBlogs@Nowhere.co.nz> wrote in message
news:tq__f.12622$JZ1.501418@news.xtra.co.nz...
> When does one cross the line from a problem drinker into an alcoholic.
>
> I admit that I find it incredibly hard to stop drinking once I start, and
> usually end up pissed, but on the other hand
> I have never had an eye opener, the dt's or serious alcohol withdrawel
> symptoms.
>
> I attend AA and admit im an alcoholic. But I have to admit, im questioning
> it. I am wondering if im still in denial, or I really am an alcoholic. By
> the way I've answered yes to pretty much every 12 questions on AA.
>
> In my worst drinking, I would probably knock back around 5 or 6 pints a
> night, sometime more, but I never kept count. I would end up drunk every
> day.Always the last to leave the pub etc.
>
> This went on roughly for about a year.
>
> Then it stopped.
>
> Then I sort of moved into less per day, but more at weekend type drinking.
> But very rarely would I have alcohol free days. In fact hardly ever.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Oh yeah would love to knock back a few beers now!

Fred,
I tried to make a serious comment about this but every time that I
thought about a "drinking problem" I kept seeing Ted Striker in "Airplane!"
" . . . and that's when I developed my drinking problem . . ." [shoves
glass into cheek, spilling drink on face]
Dan

"Taunto" <nope@notme.com> wrote in message
news:443d091b$0$1581$742ec2ed@news.sonic.net...
> Robert McGregor wrote:
>> "Tallbob29" <robertkirsch@msn.com> wrote in message
>> news:1144842362.327803.267960@t31g2000cwb.googlegr oups.com...
>>
>>>Fred wrote:
>>>
>>>>When does one cross the line from a problem drinker into an alcoholic.
>>>
>>>Well, I'm no expert, but I'd say the alcoholic is a wee bit smarter
>>>than the problem drinker, and a lot more honest. As for that line, I
>>>hear it's invisible from the front side. You can't see it until after
>>>you've crossed over.
>>
>>
>> Crossed over to being smarter and more honest than others, who, in
>> deplorable ignorance, judge alcoholics by inferior actions, rather than
>> superior intentions?
>
> Sounds like you're judging yourself, dude. Leave the labels aside and
> look at what you're doing.

If you had been smart enough to see what I was doing, you might even have
noticed I was asking a question.

>
> There's other recovery programs than AA. If the self-labelling of AA
> doesn't fit for you, try another. I'm doing SmartRecovery. Try
> SmartRecovery.org. I would suggest live meetings though, rather than just
> doing it online.

You think you're too smart to leave your own "smart" label aside?

I had stopped drinking for good before the so called "smart recovery" scam
began.

Bob

Robert McGregor wrote:
> "Taunto" <nope@notme.com> wrote in message
<snip>
>> There's other recovery programs than AA. If the self-labelling of AA
>> doesn't fit for you, try another. I'm doing SmartRecovery. Try
>> SmartRecovery.org. I would suggest live meetings though, rather than just
>> doing it online.
>
> You think you're too smart to leave your own "smart" label aside?
>
> I had stopped drinking for good before the so called "smart recovery" scam
> began.

Remember I'm not involved with SR or AA, and please note I'm heeding the
sound advice I got not to get negative about any program.

So please don't bite my head off when I ask this.

Why do you say it's a scam, Bob?

--
Dan