"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> alas, many hear the poison that robert and 2-3 of the other guys in here
spew, ie: "WORK THE STEPS and your depression
> will lift!"
>

Still propagating your lies Rosie, but guess you are too drugged to
comprehend what is actually posted.

Bob

up early?

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read and post daily, it works!
rosie
If you keep saying things are going to be bad, you have a good chance
of being a prophet.
-------------------------------Isaac B. Singer




"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message news:bd7kh2$pppsq$1@ID-49289.news.dfncis.de...
>
> "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:bMEJa.105749$Xl.1967321@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > alas, many hear the poison that robert and 2-3 of the other guys in here
> spew, ie: "WORK THE STEPS and your depression
> > will lift!"
> >
>
> Still propagating your lies Rosie, but guess you are too drugged to
> comprehend what is actually posted.
>
> Bob
>
>

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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> up early?

Yep, and caught a slug already.

Bob
>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> >
> > "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:bMEJa.105749$Xl.1967321@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > alas, many hear the poison that robert and 2-3 of the other guys in
here
> > spew, ie: "WORK THE STEPS and your depression
> > > will lift!"
> > >
> >
> > Still propagating your lies Rosie, but guess you are too drugged to
> > comprehend what is actually posted.
> >
> > Bob
> >
> >
>
>

"Moonraker" <fuggadaboutit@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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>
> > "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:bMEJa.105749$Xl.1967321@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > alas, many hear the poison that robert and 2-3 of the other guys in
here
> > spew, ie: "WORK THE STEPS and your depression
> > > will lift!"
> > >
> >
>
> Since alcohol "IS" a depressant, one doesn't have to have a medical
degree
> to figure out that not ingesting a depressant will most likely improve
one's
> level of depression. It's not the case that everyone who drinks is
> mightily depressed, nor is everyone who is depressed a sloppy-ass drunk.
>
> Whether or not "working the steps" was sufficent to lift YOU from the
depths
> of your depression is only between you, your sponsor, and God.
>
> "Alcohol is but a symptom of the problem."
>
>
>

Having been diagnosed with chronic depression, then taken those steps
myself, it interests me that of two prolific Usenet posters engaged in the
"treatment industry" who claim the steps did not resolve their depression,
each display ignorance of the steps in inverse proportion to their
documented dependence on drugs.

One could expect a dozen different folk to tread a path and depict
contradictory scenery. However, at least some aspects would presumably be
recognisable to all who had thoroughly taken those steps.

Bob

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> > Since alcohol "IS" a depressant, one doesn't have to have a medical
degree
> > to figure out that not ingesting a depressant will most likely improve
one's
> > level of depression.
>
>
> it sure would help if you would stop pretending that you do!
> we are discussing TWO DIFFERENT types of depression BM!
> do i need to type S L O W E R ?
>
"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHIS.com> wrote in message
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> as i stated before a few in here do NOT understand the difference between
SITUATIONAL depression (generally seen in
> alcoholics in early recovery) and CHRONIC DYSTHYMIA.
> this same few, are not interested in learning about it either.
http://depression.about.com/cs/dysthymia/
Dysthymia is a milder, chronic form of depression. It may periodically have
episodes of major depression superimposed upon it. When this occurs, it is
known as "double depression".
http://www.apa.org/releases/antidep.html
Study Finds Psychotherapy and Anti-Depressants Equally Effective in Treating
Severely Depressed Primary-Care Patients

WASHINGTON - Researchers comparing the effectiveness of treating major
depression with either antidepressant medication or psychotherapy noted no
difference in the success of the two treatment methods after an eight-month
clinical investigation.

> Having been diagnosed with chronic depression, then taken those steps
> myself, it interests me that of two prolific Usenet posters engaged in the
> "treatment industry" who claim the steps did not resolve their depression,
> each display ignorance of the steps in inverse proportion to their
> documented dependence on drugs.



bob,
you really could benefit from ridding yourself of that STUBBORN pride and going back to AA.
just conduct yourself better this time.

First thing, RRAP....you need to work on your reading comprehension. I
don't think Mister BM (Blue Moon) has weighed in on this topic, at least not
today. If you are going to argue...at least know who you are spouting off
to.

My point is this, and nothing more. Read it and re-read it until it sinks
in. OK? Here goes. Ready?

"NOT INGESTING A DEPRESSANT ( e.g., ALCOHOL) IS QUITE LIKELY TO ELEVATE
"XXXXX" DRUNK'S MOOD SUFFICENTLY SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT REQUIRE
ANTI-DEPRESSANTS" Period. Got it?


Not "every" drunk, just that "XXXX" equals "many", "most", " a lot",
"some", or "in general". Enough to make the point valid. It was for sure
totally accurate in MY particular case, and in the case of almost all of my
friends and sponsees. If you feel the need to argue with "that", God help
you. I know it's just common sense, so it may have escaped you earlier.

Nearly everybody who posts here understands that "some" folks need AD's.
The question is: Can an accurate diagnosis be made while that person is
still drinking? It seems that everybody but YOU thinks any medical
diagnosis of psych problems needs to be made subsequent to removal of the
external ingested depressants. Is this too hard for you to comprehend?
Throwing meds at a depression that may or may not exist or may even go away
on it's own in a few weeks is apparently what you support?

Your projection tendencies are showing. I never "pretended" to have a
medical degree. I never said anything that would have made anybody think
otherwise. Does the fact that I made a purely common sense observation
about removing a depressant from a drunk somehow threaten your
self-appointed exalted position as the group's medical guru? You need to
get over yourself.

McGregor's needle getting a bit sharp, eh? Try not to take it out on
ME.......OK?

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> > Since alcohol "IS" a depressant, one doesn't have to have a medical
degree
> > to figure out that not ingesting a depressant will most likely improve
one's
> > level of depression.
>
>
> it sure would help if you would stop pretending that you do!
> we are discussing TWO DIFFERENT types of depression BM!
> do i need to type S L O W E R ?
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

Rosie,
I think moonraker means he agrees with you. Some need meds, but those whose
depression is caused solely by alcohol and the results of ingesting it do
not.
Bob's snips certainly apply to situational depression, where meds should
only be taken, if ever, on a short term basis.

Bob,
If you always had abnormally low levels of seratonin for instance,
you could have worked the steps until you were blue in the face, they would
not have helped

sorry about the name mix up, but your both have such silly handles!
(yes, i know R+P is silly too, but at least there is a rosie in it!)

> "NOT INGESTING A DEPRESSANT ( e.g., ALCOHOL) IS QUITE LIKELY TO ELEVATE
> "XXXXX" DRUNK'S MOOD SUFFICENTLY SO THAT THEY WOULD NOT REQUIRE
> ANTI-DEPRESSANTS" Period. Got it?

oh yes, now moon, try to keep up would you?
i got it the first, second, and third time you posted it.
the point is, we are talking about two different types of depression!
sorry this is so difficult for you to understand.

--
read and post daily, it works!
rosie

Do not meditate - be!
Do not think that you are - be!
Don't think about being - you are!
..................................Sri Ramana Maharshi