I absolutely do not want to die from alcohol abuse but unfortunately
I probably will die because of alcohol abuse. I've seen what alcohol
induced "End-Stage" liver failure looks like. It's not pretty. My 2nd
cousin died from this disease.

Here's how it goes. My cousin started drinking mildly at the age of
14yrs he maintained a mild drinking habit for years, partying with
friends and such. He would sober-up for awhile but would always start
drinking again. When he turned 25yrs he began drinking heavily, about
a qt a day. By the age of 30 his drinking had progressed to the point
where he was drinking from those huge bottles (the ones with the
handles) per day. He had a job was married and had children. Despite
family concerns he continued drinking at an astronomical pace never
letting up. He would check into work and then go home and drink, he
could do this as his wife worked and the children were in school.

Here's where it gets ugly.
In the summer of 1990 he checked by our office to get his daily work
orders and one of the office personal mentioned that he was looking
"slim and very tanned" he said that he had been on a diet because he
put on some weight and had been working in the sun in an effort to get
the swimming pool ready to use for the tenants whom lived in the
apartment complex he and his wife managed. Because my cousin being of
light complexion and red-hair everyone thought his sudden tinted skin
was "sun-burn". One night at a dinner party he hardly ate his dinner
but downed margaritas like they were water. About an hour into the
party his nose started bleeding badly, he was rushed to the hospital,
after the bleeding was stopped the doctors informed him and family
that his "dark skin" wasn't "sun-burn" but was indeed Jaundice as his
liver was failing. They put him on a vitamin regiment consisting of
vitamin K, B1 and Folic Acid and told him never to drink again. After
that night in the hospital he followed up with his regular MD (This
part haunts me) his MD asked him "do you want to live"? "If you STOP
drinking immediately I can keep you alive!" My Cousin stopped
drinking for about a month then was back to drinking. He again started
bleeding from his nose but also from his penis this time, when rushed
to the hospital again the same ER doctors that had warned to stop
drinking said "we warned you to stop drinking" there's nothing we can
do for you now. He promised them that he would never drink again. They
said sorry, it's too late for that.

He was admitted to the hospital. The color of his skin was that of a
tangerine, the blood from his nose was leaking so badly that his
nostrils had to be plugged with cotton and then a balloon when cotton
couldn't contain the bleeding anymore, his esophagus had to ballooned
as well. He was also leaking blood from his rectum a diaper was placed
on him at that point. After about 2 weeks his Kidneys started failing
and he was hallucinating horribly and was then put on dialysis.
At the night of his death he was surrounded by family, the nurses
insisted that everyone visiting him were to wear latex gloves as they
weren't sure of the severity of his hepatitis.
His heart stopped and the doctors rushed in they said they could give
him a shot in his chest that would revive him but that would probably
only last an hour or so, his parents opted for the shot, his heart
started beating again but within an hour he was gone.

How does this pertain to me?
I am a binge drinker who's seen a hospital or two as well. I've been
told by my doctors that "I have about 6 or 7 drinking binges left in
me" I've had a few drinking binges since then. I cannot understand why
we alcoholics who decide to keep drinking; do indeed keep drinking
even though we know it's killing us! I don't have any signs of
jaundice as my cousin did, but I don't think you need to be yellow to
be sick. I have vomited blood at one point, and that was a wake up
call for me. I recently went to my MD and had a full liver panel and
ultrasound done just as precautionary to a thyroid surgery I was
having done. My doctor said my liver was indeed inflamed and my
enzymes were a little high but my "liver was holding its own". If were
to ever drink again I think it would like playing Russian roulette.

Sorry for the long post.
Liver failure ain't pretty.

"Griffin McKorn" <JPP@Zoso.org> wrote in message
news:ukbeu1535eu9tc00tkd4jrgkbj0u4edv70@4ax.com...
> I cannot understand why
> we alcoholics who decide to keep drinking; do indeed keep drinking
> even though we know it's killing us!

For me, rather than any decision to keep drinking, it was the
unshaken experience that in my case, stopping was out of the
question. Not much decision involved in continuing what is already a
given, is there.

Fortunately for me, after stumbling on a solution,
http://tinyurl.com/8py4u I made a decision to give it my very best
shot. I have neither needed, nor had, a drink of alcohol since making
and (immediately) commencing to validate that decision by literally
complying with those instructions, as best I could, on a one day at a
time basis.

For me, although the solution proved simpler than I could have
possibly imagined, it wasn't at all easy back then, but that was over
a decade ago. In my case, today, as it's been for a few years now,
*not* drinking is a given.

Bob

In article <ukbeu1535eu9tc00tkd4jrgkbj0u4edv70@4ax.com>, JPP@Zoso.org
says...
> I absolutely do not want to die from alcohol abuse but unfortunately
> I probably will die because of alcohol abuse. I've seen what alcohol
> induced "End-Stage" liver failure looks like. It's not pretty. My 2nd
> cousin died from this disease.
>
> Here's how it goes. My cousin started drinking mildly at the age of
> 14yrs he maintained a mild drinking habit for years, partying with
> friends and such. He would sober-up for awhile but would always start
> drinking again. When he turned 25yrs he began drinking heavily, about
> a qt a day. By the age of 30 his drinking had progressed to the point
> where he was drinking from those huge bottles (the ones with the
> handles) per day. He had a job was married and had children. Despite
> family concerns he continued drinking at an astronomical pace never
> letting up. He would check into work and then go home and drink, he
> could do this as his wife worked and the children were in school.
>
> Here's where it gets ugly.
> In the summer of 1990 he checked by our office to get his daily work
> orders and one of the office personal mentioned that he was looking
> "slim and very tanned" he said that he had been on a diet because he
> put on some weight and had been working in the sun in an effort to get
> the swimming pool ready to use for the tenants whom lived in the
> apartment complex he and his wife managed. Because my cousin being of
> light complexion and red-hair everyone thought his sudden tinted skin
> was "sun-burn". One night at a dinner party he hardly ate his dinner
> but downed margaritas like they were water. About an hour into the
> party his nose started bleeding badly, he was rushed to the hospital,
> after the bleeding was stopped the doctors informed him and family
> that his "dark skin" wasn't "sun-burn" but was indeed Jaundice as his
> liver was failing. They put him on a vitamin regiment consisting of
> vitamin K, B1 and Folic Acid and told him never to drink again. After
> that night in the hospital he followed up with his regular MD (This
> part haunts me) his MD asked him "do you want to live"? "If you STOP
> drinking immediately I can keep you alive!" My Cousin stopped
> drinking for about a month then was back to drinking. He again started
> bleeding from his nose but also from his penis this time, when rushed
> to the hospital again the same ER doctors that had warned to stop
> drinking said "we warned you to stop drinking" there's nothing we can
> do for you now. He promised them that he would never drink again. They
> said sorry, it's too late for that.
>
> He was admitted to the hospital. The color of his skin was that of a
> tangerine, the blood from his nose was leaking so badly that his
> nostrils had to be plugged with cotton and then a balloon when cotton
> couldn't contain the bleeding anymore, his esophagus had to ballooned
> as well. He was also leaking blood from his rectum a diaper was placed
> on him at that point. After about 2 weeks his Kidneys started failing
> and he was hallucinating horribly and was then put on dialysis.
> At the night of his death he was surrounded by family, the nurses
> insisted that everyone visiting him were to wear latex gloves as they
> weren't sure of the severity of his hepatitis.

Ahhh! There's a clue. He was drinking heavily AND he had
viral hepatitis. See? It wasn't just the alcohol. He
would have turned jaundiced had he drank or not.

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Too weird to live, and too
rare to die. -Hunter S. Thomson

"Some people can only dream of such a life.
I lived it. I was watching television the
other day, a biography on the history channel
of Aristotle Onasis. They talked about his
wealth, his riches, and I wasn't impressed.
I had bigger boats than he did, bigger yachts.
I had more Rolls-Royces, more Ferraris. I had
more racehorses than he did. I screwed more
women than he did. And they were better looking too."
--Evel Knievel


'I don't like Abos, I don't like Jews,
I don't like Muslims, I don't like Asians,
I don't like women, I don't like gays, I don'
like wrinklies, I don't like kids', -- Rabbi Apple

'PER ARDUA AD ASTRA!'

'...that's for all you illiterate folks out
there!' - Bob Tilton

you said:

>" I cannot understand why we alcoholics who decide to keep drinking; do
>indeed keep drinking even though we know it's killing us!"

the answer is really quite simple...............WE ARE ALCOHOLICS and that
is what we do!
killing ourselves with slow suicide........................unable to stop
and stay stopped without some help.
i hope you find your answer. in my case (old nurse) seeing other alcoholics
die didn't slow my drinking down one bit.
KNOWING what could happen didn't slow me down either.

why not go to a few AA meetings and see if that will help?

rosie












"Griffin McKorn" <JPP@Zoso.org> wrote in message
news:ukbeu1535eu9tc00tkd4jrgkbj0u4edv70@4ax.com...
> I absolutely do not want to die from alcohol abuse but unfortunately
> I probably will die because of alcohol abuse. I've seen what alcohol
> induced "End-Stage" liver failure looks like. It's not pretty. My 2nd
> cousin died from this disease.
>
> Here's how it goes. My cousin started drinking mildly at the age of
> 14yrs he maintained a mild drinking habit for years, partying with
> friends and such. He would sober-up for awhile but would always start
> drinking again. When he turned 25yrs he began drinking heavily, about
> a qt a day. By the age of 30 his drinking had progressed to the point
> where he was drinking from those huge bottles (the ones with the
> handles) per day. He had a job was married and had children. Despite
> family concerns he continued drinking at an astronomical pace never
> letting up. He would check into work and then go home and drink, he
> could do this as his wife worked and the children were in school.
>
> Here's where it gets ugly.
> In the summer of 1990 he checked by our office to get his daily work
> orders and one of the office personal mentioned that he was looking
> "slim and very tanned" he said that he had been on a diet because he
> put on some weight and had been working in the sun in an effort to get
> the swimming pool ready to use for the tenants whom lived in the
> apartment complex he and his wife managed. Because my cousin being of
> light complexion and red-hair everyone thought his sudden tinted skin
> was "sun-burn". One night at a dinner party he hardly ate his dinner
> but downed margaritas like they were water. About an hour into the
> party his nose started bleeding badly, he was rushed to the hospital,
> after the bleeding was stopped the doctors informed him and family
> that his "dark skin" wasn't "sun-burn" but was indeed Jaundice as his
> liver was failing. They put him on a vitamin regiment consisting of
> vitamin K, B1 and Folic Acid and told him never to drink again. After
> that night in the hospital he followed up with his regular MD (This
> part haunts me) his MD asked him "do you want to live"? "If you STOP
> drinking immediately I can keep you alive!" My Cousin stopped
> drinking for about a month then was back to drinking. He again started
> bleeding from his nose but also from his penis this time, when rushed
> to the hospital again the same ER doctors that had warned to stop
> drinking said "we warned you to stop drinking" there's nothing we can
> do for you now. He promised them that he would never drink again. They
> said sorry, it's too late for that.
>
> He was admitted to the hospital. The color of his skin was that of a
> tangerine, the blood from his nose was leaking so badly that his
> nostrils had to be plugged with cotton and then a balloon when cotton
> couldn't contain the bleeding anymore, his esophagus had to ballooned
> as well. He was also leaking blood from his rectum a diaper was placed
> on him at that point. After about 2 weeks his Kidneys started failing
> and he was hallucinating horribly and was then put on dialysis.
> At the night of his death he was surrounded by family, the nurses
> insisted that everyone visiting him were to wear latex gloves as they
> weren't sure of the severity of his hepatitis.
> His heart stopped and the doctors rushed in they said they could give
> him a shot in his chest that would revive him but that would probably
> only last an hour or so, his parents opted for the shot, his heart
> started beating again but within an hour he was gone.
>
> How does this pertain to me?
> I am a binge drinker who's seen a hospital or two as well. I've been
> told by my doctors that "I have about 6 or 7 drinking binges left in
> me" I've had a few drinking binges since then. I cannot understand why
> we alcoholics who decide to keep drinking; do indeed keep drinking
> even though we know it's killing us! I don't have any signs of
> jaundice as my cousin did, but I don't think you need to be yellow to
> be sick. I have vomited blood at one point, and that was a wake up
> call for me. I recently went to my MD and had a full liver panel and
> ultrasound done just as precautionary to a thyroid surgery I was
> having done. My doctor said my liver was indeed inflamed and my
> enzymes were a little high but my "liver was holding its own". If were
> to ever drink again I think it would like playing Russian roulette.
>
> Sorry for the long post.
> Liver failure ain't pretty.

(crossposted to a.r.aa for relevance)

Griffin McKorn wrote:
>
> I absolutely do not want to die from alcohol abuse but unfortunately
> I probably will die because of alcohol abuse. I've seen what alcohol
> induced "End-Stage" liver failure looks like. It's not pretty. My 2nd
> cousin died from this disease.
>
> Here's how it goes. My cousin started drinking mildly at the age of
> 14yrs he maintained a mild drinking habit for years, partying with
> friends and such. He would sober-up for awhile but would always start
> drinking again. When he turned 25yrs he began drinking heavily, about
> a qt a day. By the age of 30 his drinking had progressed to the point
> where he was drinking from those huge bottles (the ones with the
> handles) per day. He had a job was married and had children. Despite
> family concerns he continued drinking at an astronomical pace never
> letting up. He would check into work and then go home and drink, he
> could do this as his wife worked and the children were in school.
>
> Here's where it gets ugly.
> In the summer of 1990 he checked by our office to get his daily work
> orders and one of the office personal mentioned that he was looking
> "slim and very tanned" he said that he had been on a diet because he
> put on some weight and had been working in the sun in an effort to get
> the swimming pool ready to use for the tenants whom lived in the
> apartment complex he and his wife managed. Because my cousin being of
> light complexion and red-hair everyone thought his sudden tinted skin
> was "sun-burn". One night at a dinner party he hardly ate his dinner
> but downed margaritas like they were water. About an hour into the
> party his nose started bleeding badly, he was rushed to the hospital,
> after the bleeding was stopped the doctors informed him and family
> that his "dark skin" wasn't "sun-burn" but was indeed Jaundice as his
> liver was failing. They put him on a vitamin regiment consisting of
> vitamin K, B1 and Folic Acid and told him never to drink again. After
> that night in the hospital he followed up with his regular MD (This
> part haunts me) his MD asked him "do you want to live"? "If you STOP
> drinking immediately I can keep you alive!" My Cousin stopped
> drinking for about a month then was back to drinking. He again started
> bleeding from his nose but also from his penis this time, when rushed
> to the hospital again the same ER doctors that had warned to stop
> drinking said "we warned you to stop drinking" there's nothing we can
> do for you now. He promised them that he would never drink again. They
> said sorry, it's too late for that.
>
> He was admitted to the hospital. The color of his skin was that of a
> tangerine, the blood from his nose was leaking so badly that his
> nostrils had to be plugged with cotton and then a balloon when cotton
> couldn't contain the bleeding anymore, his esophagus had to ballooned
> as well. He was also leaking blood from his rectum a diaper was placed
> on him at that point. After about 2 weeks his Kidneys started failing
> and he was hallucinating horribly and was then put on dialysis.
> At the night of his death he was surrounded by family, the nurses
> insisted that everyone visiting him were to wear latex gloves as they
> weren't sure of the severity of his hepatitis.
> His heart stopped and the doctors rushed in they said they could give
> him a shot in his chest that would revive him but that would probably
> only last an hour or so, his parents opted for the shot, his heart
> started beating again but within an hour he was gone.
>
> How does this pertain to me?
> I am a binge drinker who's seen a hospital or two as well. I've been
> told by my doctors that "I have about 6 or 7 drinking binges left in
> me" I've had a few drinking binges since then. I cannot understand why
> we alcoholics who decide to keep drinking; do indeed keep drinking
> even though we know it's killing us! I don't have any signs of
> jaundice as my cousin did, but I don't think you need to be yellow to
> be sick. I have vomited blood at one point, and that was a wake up
> call for me. I recently went to my MD and had a full liver panel and
> ultrasound done just as precautionary to a thyroid surgery I was
> having done. My doctor said my liver was indeed inflamed and my
> enzymes were a little high but my "liver was holding its own". If were
> to ever drink again I think it would like playing Russian roulette.
>
> Sorry for the long post.
> Liver failure ain't pretty.

Thank you for posting this. I had a relative pass away recently from
complications similar to those above. His skin color was almost surreal
(like a waxy tan) and he was on dialysis for some time before passing.
He admitted he had done it to himself but it was hard not to feel sorry
for his condition.

I quit drinking about 6 months ago and had my liver enzymes tested
around that time. The docs said they weren't in the danger levels yet
but were elevated and indicative of excessive alcohol intake (which was
causing me stomach problems). I was a little surprised considering the
quantity and length of time I've been drinking (about 20 years of hard
binging) but I always made sure to stay hydrated during and after
drinking; eat nutritiously, exercise and max out on supplements like
Vitamin B complex, Omegas, multivitamins, green tea etc. Knock on wood


Anyone who's thinking about stopping, there's no time easier than today.
Organ damage is nothing to mess around with. my .02

"Scooter" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:43E7FCC4.FDC5F38@nospam.com...
> (crossposted to a.r.aa for relevance)
>
> Griffin McKorn wrote:
> >
> > I absolutely do not want to die from alcohol abuse but
unfortunately
> > I probably will die because of alcohol abuse. I've seen what alcohol
> > induced "End-Stage" liver failure looks like. It's not pretty. My
2nd
> > cousin died from this disease.
> >

The disease is alive and well.

> > to ever drink again I think it would like playing Russian roulette.
> >
> > Sorry for the long post.
> > Liver failure ain't pretty.

Its not your fault. Its the alcohols fault.

>
> Thank you for posting this. I had a relative pass away recently from
> complications similar to those above. His skin color was almost
surreal
> (like a waxy tan) and he was on dialysis for some time before passing.
> He admitted he had done it to himself but it was hard not to feel
sorry
> for his condition.
>
> I quit drinking about 6 months ago and had my liver enzymes tested
> around that time. The docs said they weren't in the danger levels yet
> but were elevated and indicative of excessive alcohol intake (which
was
> causing me stomach problems). I was a little surprised considering the
> quantity and length of time I've been drinking (about 20 years of hard
> binging) but I always made sure to stay hydrated during and after
> drinking; eat nutritiously, exercise and max out on supplements like
> Vitamin B complex, Omegas, multivitamins, green tea etc. Knock on wood
>


Well I would mix it with pot and I would forget I had a beer with me...
I began drinking a quart of Jack a day on the weekends but secret
service agents were following me around....

>
> Anyone who's thinking about stopping, there's no time easier than
today.
> Organ damage is nothing to mess around with. my .02

Thanks. I hope to stay sober today.
I am not entitled to health care.

On Mon, 06 Feb 2006 20:49:56 -0500, Scooter <nospam@nospam.com> wrote:

>(crossposted to a.r.aa for relevance)

<Snip>
>Thank you for posting this. I had a relative pass away recently from
>complications similar to those above. His skin color was almost surreal
>(like a waxy tan) and he was on dialysis for some time before passing.
>He admitted he had done it to himself but it was hard not to feel sorry
>for his condition.
>
>I quit drinking about 6 months ago and had my liver enzymes tested
>around that time. The docs said they weren't in the danger levels yet
>but were elevated and indicative of excessive alcohol intake (which was
>causing me stomach problems). I was a little surprised considering the
>quantity and length of time I've been drinking (about 20 years of hard
>binging) but I always made sure to stay hydrated during and after
>drinking; eat nutritiously, exercise and max out on supplements like
>Vitamin B complex, Omegas, multivitamins, green tea etc. Knock on wood
>
>
>Anyone who's thinking about stopping, there's no time easier than today.
>Organ damage is nothing to mess around with. my .02

You're welcome.

"Griffin McKorn" <JPP@Zoso.org> wrote in message
news:ukbeu1535eu9tc00tkd4jrgkbj0u4edv70@4ax.com...
>I absolutely do not want to die from alcohol abuse but unfortunately
>I probably will die because of alcohol abuse

I don't either, but it killed my father and my grandfather and it will
probably kill me. We can't live forever and if alcohol abuse does
not kill us, something else will.


> I cannot understand why we alcoholics who decide to keep
> drinking; do indeed keep drinking even though we know it's
> killing us!

Because we are alcoholics and that is what we do. We don't see
the effects that it has on us, although we may be aware of them.

On Mon, 6 Feb 2006 21:06:52 -0500, "Saint Blurpaedius XXX"
<exterminatethechristianjewcopgovernment@666.com > wrote:

>
>"Scooter" <nospam@nospam.com> wrote in message
>news:43E7FCC4.FDC5F38@nospam.com...
>> (crossposted to a.r.aa for relevance)

<Snip>
The disease is alive and well.
<Snip>
Its not your fault. Its the alcohols fault.
<Snip>
Well I would mix it with pot and I would forget I had a beer with
me...
I began drinking a quart of Jack a day on the weekends but secret
service agents were following me around....
<Snip>
Thanks. I hope to stay sober today.
I am not entitled to health care.

ok, troll.
Please learn to post correctly. No flame war here.
Sorry group.

On Tue, 07 Feb 2006 05:33:13 GMT, "jvin007" <jvin007@yahoo.com> wrote:

>"Griffin McKorn" <JPP@Zoso.org> wrote in message
>news:ukbeu1535eu9tc00tkd4jrgkbj0u4edv70@4ax.com.. .
>>I absolutely do not want to die from alcohol abuse but unfortunately
>>I probably will die because of alcohol abuse
>
>I don't either, but it killed my father and my grandfather and it will
>probably kill me. We can't live forever and if alcohol abuse does
>not kill us, something else will.
>
>
>> I cannot understand why we alcoholics who decide to keep
>> drinking; do indeed keep drinking even though we know it's
>> killing us!
>
>Because we are alcoholics and that is what we do. We don't see
>the effects that it has on us, although we may be aware of them.

Yes, you're right, we don't live forever, we're all destine to die
in some way or another. But that's what I can't get my head around;
why alcohol? Is there indeed a genetic factor? You say your Father and
Grandfather both died of alcohol abuse, do you feel that by virtue of
genetics you're destine to die because of alcohol?

As for your last statement, yes I am, we are alcoholics. But I've
also seen the devastation alcohol can cause, it destroys families and
also destroys ones health. But yet I (we) still continue to drink. I
did ponder the idea you offered that we don't see the "effects it has
on us" and although we may be aware of the dangers. Maybe it's often
felt that drinking ourselves to death won't happen to any of us. We're
not immortal, but we can always stop drinking before it's too late.

You're right though it's the nature of the beast.


Thank you for your reply. I guess there's no easy answer. I'm just
looking for a way out .

Thank you again,
Griffin.