Im looking for some someone M/F that wants to give support to slow down
or stop drinking. I used to drink 12-15 drinks at night after work. I
have no major problems. l have some stress ect. I now drink 6 drinks
daily. But my Dr. Said my liver count is a little high, I have general
anxiety. I only drink at night. But he wants me to cut down to no more
than 3 a day. Well just seeing if anyone would be interested in honest
talk and trying to cut down. If so let me know here. Im a caring person.
I just am looking for someone who might be willing to share this cutting
phase. No AA here. So Just looking for a slow down. Anyone interested
let me know. Thank you ,,, Dan



/

"DD DDD" <eee2004@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:7241-439E5A56-474@storefull-3352.bay.webtv.net...
> Im looking for some someone M/F that wants to give support to slow
> down
> or stop drinking. I used to drink 12-15 drinks at night after work.
> I
> have no major problems. l have some stress ect. I now drink 6
> drinks
> daily. But my Dr. Said my liver count is a little high, I have
> general
> anxiety. I only drink at night. But he wants me to cut down to no
> more
> than 3 a day. Well just seeing if anyone would be interested in
> honest
> talk and trying to cut down. If so let me know here. Im a caring
> person.
> I just am looking for someone who might be willing to share this
> cutting
> phase. No AA here. So Just looking for a slow down. Anyone
> interested
> let me know. Thank you ,,, Dan
>

No AA here?
Dan, on reading the header, it should be clear this is, at least
nominally, an alcoholism group.

Not to worry, all is not lost. If any are offended here, it's
undoubtedly by their own choice.

Nevertheless, I suggest you try alt.recovery.from-12-steps. I'll even
xpost your request there for you. Be interested to see if the
dedicated arfers are as expert at engaging in ongoing email support
of notions they propose there, as they are at opposition to ongoing
support of notions they oppose here.

Bob

DD DDD wrote:
> Im looking for some someone M/F that wants to give support to slow down
> or stop drinking. I used to drink 12-15 drinks at night after work. I
> have no major problems. l have some stress ect. I now drink 6 drinks
> daily. But my Dr. Said my liver count is a little high, I have general
> anxiety. I only drink at night. But he wants me to cut down to no more
> than 3 a day. Well just seeing if anyone would be interested in honest
> talk and trying to cut down. If so let me know here. Im a caring person.
> I just am looking for someone who might be willing to share this cutting
> phase. No AA here. So Just looking for a slow down. Anyone interested
> let me know. Thank you ,,, Dan
>
I don't condone the site but morerevealed.com
might be something you are looking for. It is not
AA, AA think that site to be a crock, but some
people swear by it. Has to do with quitting
without aa and moderation management.

Like i said i don't condone the site i wouldn't
use it for my recovery. I looked at it out of
curiosity and it may be what your looking for.
I'll probably get flamed bringing it up. We
always have interesting AA, non AA debates here.

My recovery may or may not involve AA, still
unsure at present time so i'm staying neutral with
the subject.

No doubt you will be flamed wanting to do it your
way, not AA, happens everytime.

But i can tell you definitely are sincere so stick
around post some keep an open mind, try not to get
too offended on some others opins.

You should find this newsgroup interesting at the
least, helpful at the most.

Whatever happens good luck to you. Me myself i'm
an alcoholic in lurk mode. I am presently not in
recovery so take my advice any which way you like.
Personally i'll prob end up back at the AA
tables when i do find my sobriety again.

Bryan

In article <7241-439E5A56-474@storefull-3352.bay.webtv.net>, DD DDD
<eee2004@webtv.net> wrote:

> Im looking for some someone M/F that wants to give support to slow down
> or stop drinking. I used to drink 12-15 drinks at night after work. I
> have no major problems. l have some stress ect. I now drink 6 drinks
> daily. But my Dr. Said my liver count is a little high, I have general
> anxiety. I only drink at night. But he wants me to cut down to no more
> than 3 a day. Well just seeing if anyone would be interested in honest
> talk and trying to cut down. If so let me know here. Im a caring person.
> I just am looking for someone who might be willing to share this cutting
> phase. No AA here. So Just looking for a slow down. Anyone interested
> let me know. Thank you ,,, Dan

I'm game, Dan. You can e-mail me at <mudge_22@sbcglobal.net>. Please
include the word "Drinking" in your subject line so I'll know it's from
you. Thanks, and I'll look forward to talking with you.

Just another drunk,

Curmudgeon

DD DDD wrote:

>Im looking for some someone M/F that wants to give support to slow down
>or stop drinking. I used to drink 12-15 drinks at night after work. I
>have no major problems. l have some stress ect. I now drink 6 drinks
>daily. But my Dr. Said my liver count is a little high, I have general
>anxiety. I only drink at night. But he wants me to cut down to no more
>than 3 a day. Well just seeing if anyone would be interested in honest
>talk and trying to cut down. If so let me know here. Im a caring person.
>I just am looking for someone who might be willing to share this cutting
>phase. No AA here. So Just looking for a slow down. Anyone interested
>let me know. Thank you ,,, Dan
>
DD DDD,

There is an online support group, Moderation Management, in which most
members are doing exactly what you are doing -- they find they are
drinking to much, and so they drink less. The URL is:
http://moderation.org/onlinegroups.shtml

There are also a few MM-related discussion groups listed at:
http://moderation.org/relatedgroups.shtml

There is an MM "chat room" at: http://www.angelfire.com/trek/mmchat/

At this point, there is probably no reason you want to get into a
debate about AA, so the above links are probably the best.

Also, feel free to email me any time at KenRagge <<<at>>>
morerevealed.com. I was in AA-based treatment twice for "alcoholism"
20 years ago but left AA and drink moderately.

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com

Bry wrote:

> DD DDD wrote:
>
>> Im looking for some someone M/F that wants to give support to slow down
>> or stop drinking. I used to drink 12-15 drinks at night after work. I
>> have no major problems. l have some stress ect. I now drink 6 drinks
>> daily. But my Dr. Said my liver count is a little high, I have general
>> anxiety. I only drink at night. But he wants me to cut down to no more
>> than 3 a day. Well just seeing if anyone would be interested in honest
>> talk and trying to cut down. If so let me know here. Im a caring person.
>> I just am looking for someone who might be willing to share this cutting
>> phase. No AA here. So Just looking for a slow down. Anyone interested
>> let me know. Thank you ,,, Dan
>>
> I don't condone the site but morerevealed.com might be something you are looking for. It is not AA, AA think that site to be a crock, but some people swear by it. Has to do with quitting without aa and moderation management.

Bryan,

Actually, morerevealed.com has much more to do with the grotesque
failure of AA and other 12-Step groups to work at much more than simply
gaining new members. The main reference to Moderation Management is to
their list of therapists. It was put on the main page because they
work with both people who wish to moderate and who wish to abstain.
They are perhaps the only safe place if someone is looking for a
therapist to avoid "two hatters," AA members who will use their
position to 'til the black soil of hopelessness' to gain new members
for AA.

The last thing someone who wishes to quit or moderate needs is someone
to "suggest" (often as a hypnotist does) that all their efforts are
hopeless.

>
> Like i said i don't condone the site i wouldn't use it for my recovery.

That is good because it simply isn't a "recovery" website. It is a
website pointing out the numerous problems with the 12-Step groups.

> I looked at it out of curiosity and it may be what your looking for. I'll probably get flamed bringing it up. We always have interesting AA, non AA debates here.
>
> My recovery may or may not involve AA, still unsure at present time so i'm staying neutral with the subject.
>
> No doubt you will be flamed wanting to do it your way, not AA, happens everytime.
>
> But i can tell you definitely are sincere so stick around post some keep an open mind, try not to get too offended on some others opins.

If you do stick around DD DDD, rest assured that the AA members will
"lovingly" do their best to convince you that you are diseased,
Powerless and will die without lifetime commitment to AA.

>
> You should find this newsgroup interesting at the least, helpful at the most.
>
> Whatever happens good luck to you. Me myself i'm an alcoholic in lurk mode. I am presently not in recovery so take my advice any which way you like. Personally i'll prob end up back at the AA tables when i do find my sobriety again.
>
Bryan, have you checked out SMART or SOS in SF/Oakland?

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com

> Bryan

On Tue, 13 Dec 2005 00:28:28 -0600, Bry <noone@nowhere.net> wrote:

>DD DDD wrote:
>> Im looking for some someone M/F that wants to give support to slow down
>> or stop drinking. I used to drink 12-15 drinks at night after work. I
>> have no major problems. l have some stress ect. I now drink 6 drinks
>> daily. But my Dr. Said my liver count is a little high, I have general
>> anxiety. I only drink at night. But he wants me to cut down to no more
>> than 3 a day. Well just seeing if anyone would be interested in honest
>> talk and trying to cut down. If so let me know here. Im a caring person.
>> I just am looking for someone who might be willing to share this cutting
>> phase. No AA here. So Just looking for a slow down. Anyone interested
>> let me know. Thank you ,,, Dan
>>
> <snip>


>No doubt you will be flamed wanting to do it your
>>way, not AA, happens everytime.
>
>Bryan

Bryan ,I dont underatnd this post at all "Flamed" by who.

Nobody gives a rats ass how someone manages their drinking.

I'm only concerned if I drink

Regards

Daveb

On 13 Dec 2005 08:58:45 -0800, "Ken Ragge" <ken@isp.com> wrote:

<snip>
>
>If you do stick around DD DDD, rest assured that the AA members will
>>"lovingly" do their best to convince you that you are diseased,
>>Powerless and will die without lifetime commitment to AA.

>
>Ken Ragge
>http://www.morerevealed.com


<Yawn> stuck on stupid I see.

Regards


Daveb

DaveB wrote:

>On 13 Dec 2005 08:58:45 -0800, "Ken Ragge" <ken@isp.com> wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>
>>If you do stick around DD DDD, rest assured that the AA members will
>>
>>
>>>"lovingly" do their best to convince you that you are diseased,
>>>Powerless and will die without lifetime commitment to AA.
>>>
>>>
>
>
>
>>Ken Ragge
>>http://www.morerevealed.com
>>
>>
>
>
><Yawn> stuck on stupid I see.
>
>Regards
>
>
>Daveb
>
>
Dave,

That comment sound really odd from someone who belongs to a group that
uses the slogan "utilize don't analyze" and whose members also say, "No
one is too stupid to get this program but some are too smart."

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com

Ken - What's your deal and why do you hate so transparently? I've been
lurking and posting the entire 6 months of my sobriety and I've yet to see
anyone post anything resembling "you will die unless you go to AA for the
rest of your miserable life."

We're trying to embrace abstinence from alcohol. Someone like DD DDD who
blatantly wants to moderate and has no desire to "recover" probably won't be
well received in a "recovery" newsgroup. And you're starting to wear thin,
at least for me. You claim to enjoy a drink now and then so obviously,
you're not addicted. So do you have any reason other than financial gain,
for hanging out in an "addiction" newsgroup?

"Ken" <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
news:ZIOdnc2CnoXttQLeRVn-uw@comcast.com...
> DaveB wrote:
>
>>On 13 Dec 2005 08:58:45 -0800, "Ken Ragge" <ken@isp.com> wrote:
>>
>>>If you do stick around DD DDD, rest assured that the AA members will
>>>
>>>>"lovingly" do their best to convince you that you are diseased,
>>>>Powerless and will die without lifetime commitment to AA.
>>>>