AA are certainly giving their own treatment industry two hatter
harlots credit they in no way deserve, http://tinyurl.com/962yr in
fact, AA are arguably promoting dependence on the fuckers.

Bob

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:439a5783_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
> AA are certainly giving their own treatment industry two hatter
> harlots credit they in no way deserve, http://tinyurl.com/962yr in
> fact, AA are arguably promoting dependence on the fuckers.
>
> Bob

Bob,
The thing that struck me is that the membership is overwhelmingly,
disproportionately to the population, middle-aged, white males. Why do you
suppose that is? I suppose that women and racial minorities should at least
glad that AA cares enough to track their numbers. Apparently, they don't
even track the numbers of gays. Fascinating.
Dan

dan mcgown kirjoitti:
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:439a5783_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
>>AA are certainly giving their own treatment industry two hatter
>>harlots credit they in no way deserve, http://tinyurl.com/962yr in
>>fact, AA are arguably promoting dependence on the fuckers.
>>
>>Bob
>
>
> Bob,
> The thing that struck me is that the membership is overwhelmingly,
> disproportionately to the population, middle-aged, white males. Why do you
> suppose that is? I suppose that women and racial minorities should at least
> glad that AA cares enough to track their numbers. Apparently, they don't
> even track the numbers of gays. Fascinating.

You don't suppose gays could also be included in among the numbers of
middle-aged males, women and racial minorities?

--
Kai

"Kai Ruuska" <soberon@luukku.com> wrote in message
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> dan mcgown kirjoitti:
>> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in
>> message news:439a5783_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>
>>>AA are certainly giving their own treatment industry two hatter
>>>harlots credit they in no way deserve, http://tinyurl.com/962yr in
>>>fact, AA are arguably promoting dependence on the fuckers.
>>>
>>>Bob
>>
>>
>> Bob,
>> The thing that struck me is that the membership is overwhelmingly,
>> disproportionately to the population, middle-aged, white males. Why do
>> you suppose that is? I suppose that women and racial minorities should
>> at least glad that AA cares enough to track their numbers. Apparently,
>> they don't even track the numbers of gays. Fascinating.
>
> You don't suppose gays could also be included in among the numbers of
> middle-aged males, women and racial minorities?
>
> --
> Kai

Yes, I suppose that is true, but it is also simplistic. Married
people, separated people, and people who are divorced, widowed and separated
are also "included in among the numbers of middle-aged males, women and
racial minorities" but they reported on their numbers. People, regardless
of how they were introduced to AA were "included in among the numbers of
middle-aged males, women and racial minorities" but they found it useful to
break their numbers down into 15 categories of how they were introduced to
AA. People of whatever employment status were "included in among the
numbers of middle-aged males, women and racial minorities" but they found it
useful to break their numbers down into 17 categories of employment.
I raised this as an issue because, as I have said in the past, gays
seem to have temptations to alcoholism that are not the same with the
general population. Gays tend to meet at bars and nightclubs because there
are, in most places, few other accepted gathering places for them. Midwest
American towns will tolerate a quiet, trouble free gay bar but their
churches don't hold socials for fags. For similar reasons, gay kids have
more temptation to try to sneak into bars younger and more often than do
straight kids. Then again, in the category of self-medication used to deal
with self-loathing, I think that we manage to produce a bumper crop of
alcohol abusers.
Those are the reasons that I think that the numbers of gays would be
worth tracking. I'm just wondering if part of the reason that AA doesn't do
so is the fact that they are overwhelmingly, disproportionately to the
population, middle-aged, religiously oriented, white males.

Yes, I suppose that is true, but it is also simplistic. Married
people, separated people, and people who are divorced, widowed and
separated
are also "included in among the numbers of middle-aged males, women and
racial minorities" but they reported on their numbers. People,
regardless
of how they were introduced to AA were "included in among the numbers
of middle-aged males, women and racial minorities" but they found it
useful to
break their numbers down into 15 categories of how they were introduced
to AA. People of whatever employment status were "included in among
the
numbers of middle-aged males, women and racial minorities" but they
found it useful to break their numbers down into 17 categories of
employment.
I raised this as an issue because, as I have said in the past,
gays seem to have temptations to alcoholism that are not the same with
the
general population. Gays tend to meet at bars and nightclubs because
there are, in most places, few other accepted gathering places for
them. Midwest
American towns will tolerate a quiet, trouble free gay bar but their
churches don't hold socials for fags. For similar reasons, gay kids
have
more temptation to try to sneak into bars younger and more often than
do straight kids. Then again, in the category of self-medication used
to deal
with self-loathing, I think that we manage to produce a bumper crop of
alcohol abusers.
Those are the reasons that I think that the numbers of gays would
be worth tracking. I'm just wondering if part of the reason that AA
doesn't do
so is the fact that they are overwhelmingly, disproportionately to the
population, middle-aged, religiously oriented, white males.

By the way, I apologize (seems to be the thread theme) for the
formatting but I had to post this using Google Groups. My own usenet
provider, Adelphia, didn't post it. The server accepted the post and
it went into my "sent" folder but it didn't go onto the board. Go
figure.

"dan mcgown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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> Midwest
> American towns will tolerate a quiet, trouble free gay bar but their
> churches don't hold socials for fags.

Let me guess - you're from the midwest.

"Craig S." <cspurlocktakethisout@takethisoutcharter.net> wrote in message
news:B0Bmf.3737$Xx3.3344@fe03.lga...
> "dan mcgown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:v-qdneTzR_qCTQfenZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@adelphia.com...
>
>> Midwest
>> American towns will tolerate a quiet, trouble free gay bar but their
>> churches don't hold socials for fags.
>
> Let me guess - you're from the midwest.

Yes, I'm in Akron, Ohio. This place is (for the midwest) fairly open
minded, however I was raised in Findlay, Ohio, a place where they think that
George W. Bush is excessively liberal. There's this about the "midwest" --
there's a whole bunch of it. The description is more socio-economic than it
is geographic.

"Craig S." <cspurlocktakethisout@takethisoutcharter.net> wrote in message
news:B0Bmf.3737$Xx3.3344@fe03.lga...
> "dan mcgown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:v-qdneTzR_qCTQfenZ2dnUVZ_vydnZ2d@adelphia.com...
>
>> Midwest
>> American towns will tolerate a quiet, trouble free gay bar but their
>> churches don't hold socials for fags.
>
> Let me guess - you're from the midwest.

Oh yeah, and in case you didn't notice, I'm also gay.

"dan mcgown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in
> message news:439a5783_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>> AA are certainly giving their own treatment industry two hatter
>> harlots credit they in no way deserve, http://tinyurl.com/962yr in
>> fact, AA are arguably promoting dependence on the fuckers.
>>
>> Bob
>
> Bob,
> The thing that struck me is that the membership is
> overwhelmingly, disproportionately to the population, middle-aged,
> white males. Why do you suppose that is?

Those apostolic hetero/platonic brotherly AA hugs inflicted on any
sisters unadvisedly venturing into their clutches. That's probably
enough to sober up all but the most predatory vulture sisters anyway

Must add a staunch old AA thirteenth stepper getting some pirate
copies of the book and JoenCharlie, was drooling just the other day
about a new contingent of sexy young females adorning the meetings
here. That they didn't appear to him as remotely alcoholic hardly
dampened his enthusiasm at all.

Actually, seems there are so many of them he thought fit to invite
opposition even as seemingly virile as me by asking me to give him
my mobile number to pass on to "special cases," and return to the
hallowed halls, just to help show the newcomers how it's done.

Jeez, Dan, on second thoughts, maybe he just asked for my mobile
number to "help" the gay guys he somehow neglected to mention were
significant in the new contingent! Bugger! Oh well, if that's indeed
the case, call me while holding yer credit card, and I'll pass the
contact details on.

>I suppose that women and racial minorities should at least glad that
>AA cares enough to track their numbers. Apparently, they don't even
>track the numbers of gays. Fascinating.

Far as the racial minorities go, arguably anti discrimination is
merely a temporary lacquer already chipping off the constantly
morphing veneer of so called civilisation, from inside, and out.

Nevertheless, you could best take the gay aspect up from an official
anti discrimination strongpoint, rather than try and prove any sort
of point at all under the spotlight of the StuartH and TedW show
here!

Noab only knows what would happen if their respective Gods came
out of their corners fighting. Volcanos, tsunamis, cyclones,
hurricanes, tornados typhoons and earthquakes simultaneously
punishing every corner of this temporary temple called Usenet!

Yeah, maybe get yerself a trusty lawyer and take it through the
courts if you can, Dan

Bob