"Barnsey" <the.barnseys_@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:B4qlf.13295$ea6.12384@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>
> Alt.Recovery .aa is a good laugh at the moment.
>
> Some fine examples of "sobriety".
>

Jeez, Barnesy. Do you think that with your examples, you might even
get the Three Gongs?

"Barnsey" <the.barnseys_@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:YZwlf.13631$ea6.11183@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> People acting out thier dysfunctions with substances and other self
> destructive ways of hurting themselves and others (Gambling, food,
> smoking, violence....).
>
> Just another angle.........
>
> But I hope your solution works for you.


<Andrew_Barnes@health.qld.gov.au> wrote in message
news:1131559904.165219.91310@g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> This would probably be better posted on alt recovery from 12 steps,
> but never mind.
>
> Just a quick comment, (because I don't belong in an AA
> newsgroup)........the substance of this book is spot on.
>
> It's the "what ain't broke don't need fixing" mentality of AA that
> is going to see the fellowship slip into obscurity. There's a LOT
> broken in AA. It's failure to change in 70 years in accordance with
> medical, psychiatric, social, etc changes is just plain dumb, and
> it's a real shame. The fellowship / self help aspect of AA is
> great, but the dogma is rediculous in 2005.
>

Having cleansed yourself absolutely of outdated "disease" concepts,
in favour of insisting on personal responsibility for your actions,
with normal exclusions such as parents, http://tinyurl.com/czpty ex
wife, and of coarse your job, your personal failure to have "moved
on" by 2005 is neither "dumb" nor a "real shame,"
just simply rediculous?


"Barnsey" <the.barnse...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> To show how I've moved on, I'll cut and paste something I posted a
> few years ago.
>
> Buggar! Cant find it!



Barnesy wrote: Date: Sun, 23 Dec 2001
>> Hmmmm. You should never drink to excess while on the internet.
>> Woke up this morning....what have I done? Oh no! Glad it's taken
>> as a joke.

Barnsey wrote: Date: Thu, 14 Jul 2005
>> Please forgive this rot I posted. I know everyone's sick of
>> hearing me say this, but I was "tired and emotional" ( pissed)
>> when I wrote this. My job gets to me. Bung in an agro ex wife, and
>> all the rest........... If anyone could invent some sort of
>> breathaliser that stops you logging on the net, I'll buy one.


Barnsey wrote: Date: Wed 07 Dec 2005
> I must be drunk, or human.......... or something........
>
>

Yep, as the smarmers are wont to say, it's all good, eh, barnesy!

Brer Bob

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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Here's Bob V's Barnsey.

Bob's the Australian wanker.

http://www.yourfilehost.com/media.ph...sturbation.wmv

You're a sad case Bob.

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:43979676_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
> "Barnsey" <the.barnseys_@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:B4qlf.13295$ea6.12384@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>> Alt.Recovery .aa is a good laugh at the moment.
>>
>> Some fine examples of "sobriety".
>>
>
> Jeez, Barnesy. Do you think that with your examples, you might even
> get the Three Gongs?
>
> "Barnsey" <the.barnseys_@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> news:YZwlf.13631$ea6.11183@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> People acting out thier dysfunctions with substances and other self
>> destructive ways of hurting themselves and others (Gambling, food,
>> smoking, violence....).
>>
>> Just another angle.........
>>
>> But I hope your solution works for you.
>
>
> <Andrew_Barnes@health.qld.gov.au> wrote in message
> news:1131559904.165219.91310@g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
>> This would probably be better posted on alt recovery from 12 steps,
>> but never mind.
>>
>> Just a quick comment, (because I don't belong in an AA
>> newsgroup)........the substance of this book is spot on.
>>
>> It's the "what ain't broke don't need fixing" mentality of AA that
>> is going to see the fellowship slip into obscurity. There's a LOT
>> broken in AA. It's failure to change in 70 years in accordance with
>> medical, psychiatric, social, etc changes is just plain dumb, and
>> it's a real shame. The fellowship / self help aspect of AA is
>> great, but the dogma is rediculous in 2005.

The serenity prayer is used in Many S.E.T and S.A.T therapies in anxiety
recovery with concurrent addiction. It's just NOT CALLED THE SERENITY
PRAYER! It's usually called something else. A study done a few years ago,
used it to determine the efficacy of Self examination therapy (SET) AA
adopted the Serenity prayer in 1942. It is on the cornerstone of a building
in Germany built in 1842. It has been traced back to 492 AD. It worked then,
it works now. Things (technology) may change, human problems haven't. AA may
not be "HIP" but .........it works. Hey maybe that could be AA's buzz line?

"A.A.'s not very hip, but it works".

Kewl eh?
oops, my Canadas showing.......lol

In article <bM5mf.9111$kt5.707256@news20.bellglobal.com>, John Royer
<john.royer2@sympatico.ca> wrote:

> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:43979676_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
> >
> > "Barnsey" <the.barnseys_@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > news:B4qlf.13295$ea6.12384@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >>
> >> Alt.Recovery .aa is a good laugh at the moment.
> >>
> >> Some fine examples of "sobriety".
> >>
> >
> > Jeez, Barnesy. Do you think that with your examples, you might even
> > get the Three Gongs?
> >
> > "Barnsey" <the.barnseys_@bigpond.com> wrote in message
> > news:YZwlf.13631$ea6.11183@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >> People acting out thier dysfunctions with substances and other self
> >> destructive ways of hurting themselves and others (Gambling, food,
> >> smoking, violence....).
> >>
> >> Just another angle.........
> >>
> >> But I hope your solution works for you.
> >
> >
> > <Andrew_Barnes@health.qld.gov.au> wrote in message
> > news:1131559904.165219.91310@g47g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> >> This would probably be better posted on alt recovery from 12 steps,
> >> but never mind.
> >>
> >> Just a quick comment, (because I don't belong in an AA
> >> newsgroup)........the substance of this book is spot on.
> >>
> >> It's the "what ain't broke don't need fixing" mentality of AA that
> >> is going to see the fellowship slip into obscurity. There's a LOT
> >> broken in AA. It's failure to change in 70 years in accordance with
> >> medical, psychiatric, social, etc changes is just plain dumb, and
> >> it's a real shame. The fellowship / self help aspect of AA is
> >> great, but the dogma is rediculous in 2005.
>
> The serenity prayer is used in Many S.E.T and S.A.T therapies in anxiety
> recovery with concurrent addiction. It's just NOT CALLED THE SERENITY
> PRAYER! It's usually called something else. A study done a few years ago,
> used it to determine the efficacy of Self examination therapy (SET) AA
> adopted the Serenity prayer in 1942. It is on the cornerstone of a building
> in Germany built in 1842. It has been traced back to 492 AD. It worked then,
> it works now. Things (technology) may change, human problems haven't. AA may
> not be "HIP" but .........it works. Hey maybe that could be AA's buzz line?
>
> "A.A.'s not very hip, but it works".
>
> Kewl eh?

I notice that people bemoaning that AA is supposedly "outdated" usually
aren't doing too much else for the suffering people that AA is widely
available to. And all the people that find AA just fine and keep
participating don't seem to much have this "problem" of up/outdating
things. Of course, then the complAAiners often feel moved to
dispAArAAge them for that. How caring.

And they must be earnestly, deeply concerned that "AA" not "slip into
obscurity"... while we keep hearing the complAAint of how prevalent it
remains. Yet, what IS all this modern cutting edge medical,
psychiatric, social, etc. change that compels some certain accomodation
in a usually unspecified way?

Regardless of the routine flames from the relentless clashing egos here,
which with experience, are most predictable without reading past the
posters opening slam. Conversely I'd like to ask of "Struggling': Has it
been suggested in Alanon yet, or have you even considered on your own,
consulting with a professional interventionist? If not, you might do
yourself a favor and view an episode or two of "Intervention" on the A&E
channel thats broadcast on sunday nites. Bear in mind that the costs are
undoubtably steep to retain one, and the risks for failure can be high,
but your resolution of whats yo come can be determined much sooner than
the uncertainty of months or even years of alanon participation. -jmo-

Peace,
Tim

Tim wrote:

>Regardless of the routine flames from the relentless clashing egos here,
>which with experience, are most predictable without reading past the
>posters opening slam. Conversely I'd like to ask of "Struggling': Has it
>been suggested in Alanon yet, or have you even considered on your own,
>consulting with a professional interventionist? If not, you might do
>yourself a favor and view an episode or two of "Intervention" on the A&E
>channel thats broadcast on sunday nites. Bear in mind that the costs are
>undoubtably steep to retain one, and the risks for failure can be high,
>but your resolution of whats yo come can be determined much sooner than
>the uncertainty of months or even years of alanon participation. -jmo-
>
>Peace,
>Tim
>
>
Everyone,

I have not been following this thread, but before anyone considers
Al-Anon or any other 12-Step group they ought to read "*Twelve Step
Horror Stories: True Tales of Misery, Betrayal and Abuse in NA, AA and
12-Step Treatment*" at http://www.morerevealed.com/library.jsp .

Step groups are _very_ easy to get in, often people are forced in.
However, like Scientology and the Moonies they are extremely difficult
to leave.

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com

John Royer wrote:

>"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
>news:43979676_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
>
>>"Barnsey" <the.barnseys_@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>news:B4qlf.13295$ea6.12384@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>>
>>>Alt.Recovery .aa is a good laugh at the moment.
>>>
>>>Some fine examples of "sobriety".
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>Jeez, Barnesy. Do you think that with your examples, you might even
>>get the Three Gongs?
>>
>>"Barnsey" <the.barnseys_@bigpond.com> wrote in message
>>news:YZwlf.13631$ea6.11183@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>
>>
>>>People acting out thier dysfunctions with substances and other self
>>>destructive ways of hurting themselves and others (Gambling, food,
>>>smoking, violence....).
>>>
>>>Just another angle.........
>>>
>>>But I hope your solution works for you.
>>>
>>>
>><Andrew_Barnes@health.qld.gov.au> wrote in message
>>news:1131559904.165219.91310@g47g2000cwa.googleg roups.com...
>>
>>
>>>This would probably be better posted on alt recovery from 12 steps,
>>>but never mind.
>>>
>>>Just a quick comment, (because I don't belong in an AA
>>>newsgroup)........the substance of this book is spot on.
>>>
>>>It's the "what ain't broke don't need fixing" mentality of AA that
>>>is going to see the fellowship slip into obscurity. There's a LOT
>>>broken in AA. It's failure to change in 70 years in accordance with
>>>medical, psychiatric, social, etc changes is just plain dumb, and
>>>it's a real shame. The fellowship / self help aspect of AA is
>>>great, but the dogma is rediculous in 2005.
>>>
>>>
>
>The serenity prayer is used in Many S.E.T and S.A.T therapies in anxiety
>recovery with concurrent addiction. It's just NOT CALLED THE SERENITY
>PRAYER! It's usually called something else. A study done a few years ago,
>used it to determine the efficacy of Self examination therapy (SET) AA
>adopted the Serenity prayer in 1942. It is on the cornerstone of a building
>in Germany built in 1842. It has been traced back to 492 AD. It worked then,
>it works now. Things (technology) may change, human problems haven't. AA may
>not be "HIP" but .........it works. Hey maybe that could be AA's buzz line?
>
>"A.A.'s not very hip, but it works".
>
>Kewl eh?
>oops, my Canadas showing.......lol
>
>
John,

Yes, and anyone who stops drinking and/or drugging without the Steps, if
they aren't a "dry drunk," have really worked the Steps and just haven't
realized it. Sure. LOL.

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com

> John,
>
> Yes, and anyone who stops drinking and/or drugging without the Steps, if
> they aren't a "dry drunk," have really worked the Steps and just haven't
> realized it. Sure. LOL.
>
> Ken Ragge

Fraud. John didn't say anything remotely like that.

> Step groups are _very_ easy to get in, often people are forced in.
> However, like Scientology and the Moonies they are extremely difficult to
> leave.
>
> Ken Ragge

Fraud. People don't seem to have any trouble dropping out of AA.
Unfortunately, frauds like you are never there to help them when they do.

Dan McGown wrote:

>>John,
>>
>>Yes, and anyone who stops drinking and/or drugging without the Steps, if
>>they aren't a "dry drunk," have really worked the Steps and just haven't
>>realized it. Sure. LOL.
>>
>>Ken Ragge
>>
>>
>
>Fraud. John didn't say anything remotely like that.
>
>
Dan,

No, not here in this thread, certainly but maybe you ought to pay
attention in meetings and listen to what "treatment authorities" say.

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com