"Barnsey" <the.barnseys_@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> "Virtualoso" <no@dot.com> wrote in message
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>> In article <gpl6o11b81fkleh3rfqd8k54do7t3knq94@4ax.com>, >
>> This is one of those moments,
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> Yep, OK so far..........
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>> where folks
>
> Folks. Virts favorite word.
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>> that pretend
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> Pretend. Close 2nd favorite to Folks.
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>> that they just only merely
>
> Or do they merely only just?
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>> have some "criticisms" blithely land smack dab in an "AAnti AA"
>> booster crank cabal.
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> Then again, they could smack dab land in an AAnti cabal crank AA
> blithely booster. Now THAT would make sense, and the world would
> take you seriously for once.

Are you sure "the world" is lapping up *every* word, barnesey baby?
You may have more luck editing headlines for Rupert, in anticipation.


Bob

"Barnsey" <>> Ta for the links Bob,
>> I'm a member of a forum here which does a bit of good work in the
>> drugs/addiction field. I'd like to be more involved, but age and
>> ambition are against me, well that and the fact that we don't get paid
>> for it.

>> Cheers
>> Tommy

> Where's "over here" Tommy?
>
> It's only because Bob the McBuilder has cross posted, I'm reading your
> response.

> I'd be interested to know other countries policies and experiences with
> health initiatives like ours.

It is only pure coincidence that I happen to be an alcoholic who has an
avocation for helping families come to terms with addictions.

I personally am gagged when it comes to talking about my aversion to
methadone. Sure its a harm reduction drug, but it is stil a drug and a
harder and more dangerous drug to come off than opiates. Harm reduction for
keeping crime figures down ?
For keeping an addict from needling himself?
Harm reduction to societ?
But its a wellknown fact that kids get on to methadone programmes by making
sure they have one bad piss test. Then they are hooked - for life. That
harm reduction clinics are for a lot of cases a blistering sore on society,
passing as clean many many dirty urines, - why? because the failure rate
is so high that the clinics would close down overnight if they told the true
picture. Kids going around zombied but they are not doing harm what/ ???

I have strong opinions about it, to be sure. And whenever I get a chance
I'll air them too.

Are you clean while you are on methadone?? That I beelieve is your own
business - if you are on a reduction programme, are taking care of business
and are convinved that you will in a given space of time dropp off the dose
to zero, then I believe you could consider a clean state.

Cheers
Umm PS over here is Ireland
Tommy

From one of the links you provided, Bob.

http://www.compfused.com/directlink/736/

It is ridiculous to believe that harm reduction will assist our drug
problem. With just a little commonsense we can see that it must make it much
worse. Users are urged to continue use in a supposed responsible manner (so
their numbers do not diminish) while non users (particularly children) are
being enticed to experiment in the belief they can do so safely. So while
the number of users is not receded, the using population grows, and grows.
Since it was introduced at the Australian national drug summit in Canberra
in 1983, drug use (particularly marijuana) has increased alarmingly such
that in 1997 the UN Narcotics Control Board made special mention of the fact
that cannabis use and potency of cannabis in Australia is amongst the
highest in the world now.

We urgently need a policy that will deter use and reduce the number of
users, not maintain them. This has been achieved in Sweden where the
objective is to attain a drug-free society. While not totally possible, it
clearly indicates that the government will not tolerate use. It has embarked
upon a restrictive program emphasising prohibition, education and
rehabilitation. Massive education on the harmful effects of cannabis is
available for parents and young people because it is regarded as a
recruitment drug to heavier drug use.

That Sweden has the lowest using rate now is clear proof that such a program
and policy is working and working exceedingly well. We could do well to
closely examine their program and, like Sweden, adopt a policy that creates
an attitude opposing use such as with tobacco's "Quit for Life" program.
Does this not highly promote total abstinence and hence oppose harm
reduction? And has not society been saturated with information about the
harmful effects of tobacco? The result...a reduction of tobacco use from 70%
in 1945 to 27% today. The answer is obvious. Why aren't we doing it? That is
a question we may well ask. I suspect there will not be too many willing to
give the answer.


Interesting web page.