I went to my doctor today for a followup exam. for my gout -- a condition
aggravated by alcoholism.

I leveled with him for the first time ever and told him I am an alcoholic
He's a great doctor and didn't give me any head-shaking or lectures.

But he did ask me if I was interested in taking Campral and gave me a
month's worth of samples. From what he told me, it works in the amino acid
centers in the brain and has demonstrated a clinical effect on the craving
for alcohol.

I'm pursuing a variety of methods to help me quit drinking, including AA,
and based on nearly 20 years of experience with my doctor, believe this
avenue is worth pursuing.

Have any of you grown tentacles or third eyes from taking said medication
for a few weeks/months?

Thanks.

"Sardonicus Rex" <dontaskiwonttell@leavemealone.com> wrote in message
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>I went to my doctor today for a followup exam. for my gout -- a
>condition
> aggravated by alcoholism.
>
> I leveled with him for the first time ever and told him I am an
> alcoholic
> He's a great doctor and didn't give me any head-shaking or
> lectures.
>
> But he did ask me if I was interested in taking Campral and gave me
> a
> month's worth of samples. From what he told me, it works in the
> amino acid
> centers in the brain and has demonstrated a clinical effect on the
> craving
> for alcohol.
>
> I'm pursuing a variety of methods to help me quit drinking,
> including AA,
> and based on nearly 20 years of experience with my doctor, believe
> this
> avenue is worth pursuing.
>
> Have any of you grown tentacles or third eyes from taking said
> medication
> for a few weeks/months?
>


Could your doctor introduce you to any alcoholic patient/s that took
Campral and actually stayed sober for a few weeks/months?

Of the few alcoholics I've known were prescribed that drug, only one
stopped drinking alcohol, but that was when he died.

Bob

Robert McGregor <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:437ec527_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
> "Sardonicus Rex" <dontaskiwonttell@leavemealone.com> wrote in message
> news:-cqdnbiqtPC0L-PeRVn-qQ@gbronline.com...
> >I went to my doctor today for a followup exam. for my gout -- a
> >condition
> > aggravated by alcoholism.
> >
> > I leveled with him for the first time ever and told him I am an
> > alcoholic
> > He's a great doctor and didn't give me any head-shaking or
> > lectures.
> >
> > But he did ask me if I was interested in taking Campral and gave me
> > a
> > month's worth of samples. From what he told me, it works in the
> > amino acid
> > centers in the brain and has demonstrated a clinical effect on the
> > craving
> > for alcohol.
> >
> > I'm pursuing a variety of methods to help me quit drinking,
> > including AA,
> > and based on nearly 20 years of experience with my doctor, believe
> > this
> > avenue is worth pursuing.
> >
> > Have any of you grown tentacles or third eyes from taking said
> > medication
> > for a few weeks/months?
> >
>
>
> Could your doctor introduce you to any alcoholic patient/s that took
> Campral and actually stayed sober for a few weeks/months?
>
> Of the few alcoholics I've known were prescribed that drug, only one
> stopped drinking alcohol, but that was when he died.
>
> Bob

The drug was fairly thoroughly tested during its development in France, and
had shown to be signifigantly superior to placebo in controlling drinking
(short-term) in controlled double-blind peer-reviewed clinical studies. The
drug was first tested in European studies, seven worth a serious read from
1997 to 2001. It was thought to be ineffective WRT to relapse, even then. US
based studies started circa 2001 seem to confirm this.(It was approved for
general prescription in the US, I believe in mid 2004)
But, then again, should you be so hasty in dismissing it as a tool for
treatment? It is deemed effective in a sub-group of patients, and the
manufacturer recommends it as a potential starting point, with the end point
being psychosocial support of the alcoholic patient, AA for example.
Have you read any of the studies on acamprosate?



>
>

>
> Robert McGregor <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in
> message
> news:437ec527_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>
>> "Sardonicus Rex" <dontaskiwonttell@leavemealone.com> wrote in message
>> news:-cqdnbiqtPC0L-PeRVn-qQ@gbronline.com...
>>
>> Could your doctor introduce you to any alcoholic patient/s that took
>> Campral and actually stayed sober for a few weeks/months?
>>
>> Of the few alcoholics I've known were prescribed that drug, only one
>> stopped drinking alcohol, but that was when he died.
>>
>> Bob


ROTFLMAO!
what utter bullshit robert...................

"stuart" <fred@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
> Robert McGregor <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in
> message
> news:437ec527_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>
>> "Sardonicus Rex" <dontaskiwonttell@leavemealone.com> wrote in
>> message
>> news:-cqdnbiqtPC0L-PeRVn-qQ@gbronline.com...
>> >I went to my doctor today for a followup exam. for my gout -- a
>> >condition
>> > aggravated by alcoholism.
>> >
>> > I leveled with him for the first time ever and told him I am an
>> > alcoholic
>> > He's a great doctor and didn't give me any head-shaking or
>> > lectures.
>> >
>> > But he did ask me if I was interested in taking Campral and gave
>> > me
>> > a
>> > month's worth of samples. From what he told me, it works in the
>> > amino acid
>> > centers in the brain and has demonstrated a clinical effect on
>> > the
>> > craving
>> > for alcohol.
>> >
>> > I'm pursuing a variety of methods to help me quit drinking,
>> > including AA,
>> > and based on nearly 20 years of experience with my doctor,
>> > believe
>> > this
>> > avenue is worth pursuing.
>> >
>> > Have any of you grown tentacles or third eyes from taking said
>> > medication
>> > for a few weeks/months?
>> >
>>
>>
>> Could your doctor introduce you to any alcoholic patient/s that
>> took
>> Campral and actually stayed sober for a few weeks/months?
>>
>> Of the few alcoholics I've known were prescribed that drug, only
>> one
>> stopped drinking alcohol, but that was when he died.
>>
>> Bob
>
> The drug was fairly thoroughly tested during its development in
> France, and
> had shown to be signifigantly superior to placebo in controlling
> drinking
> (short-term) in controlled double-blind peer-reviewed clinical
> studies. The
> drug was first tested in European studies, seven worth a serious
> read from
> 1997 to 2001. It was thought to be ineffective WRT to relapse, even
> then. US
> based studies started circa 2001 seem to confirm this.(It was
> approved for
> general prescription in the US, I believe in mid 2004)
> But, then again, should you be so hasty in dismissing it as a tool
> for
> treatment? It is deemed effective in a sub-group of patients, and
> the
> manufacturer recommends it as a potential starting point, with the
> end point
> being psychosocial support of the alcoholic patient, AA for
> example.
> Have you read any of the studies on acamprosate?
>

Stuart, as opposed to your bullshit, other than suggesting seeking
confirmation of specific medical opinion, I plainly stated what facts
I knew, neither dismissing, nor endorsing, any drug.

However, given your argument, I'm betting the doctor concerned
probably cannot produce any patients for whom the drug has been
claimed "proven" to help. Meanwhile, those free samples should result
in someone somewhere who manages to stop drinking somehow, and will
surely be counted by the drug dealers as proof of their success.
After all, what else are free samples for.

Although debating with liars like you and your AA pal rosie is a
waste of time, others here may want to be aware of at least one of
the other ways pharmaceutical corporations appear to legitimise their
"studies" http://tinyurl.com/csvq7

Of the few alcoholics I've known personally being prescribed Campral,
only one stopped drinking alcohol, but that was when he died.

Bob

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>>
>> Robert McGregor <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in
>> message
>> news:437ec527_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>>
>>> "Sardonicus Rex" <dontaskiwonttell@leavemealone.com> wrote in
>>> message
>>> news:-cqdnbiqtPC0L-PeRVn-qQ@gbronline.com...
>>>
>>> Could your doctor introduce you to any alcoholic patient/s that
>>> took
>>> Campral and actually stayed sober for a few weeks/months?
>>>
>>> Of the few alcoholics I've known were prescribed that drug, only
>>> one
>>> stopped drinking alcohol, but that was when he died.
>>>
>>> Bob
>
>
> ROTFLMAO!
> what utter bullshit robert...................
>

Actually, it is precisely true, but a drugged compulsive liar like
you wouldn't even know when Thomas was up you.

Bob

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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>
> "stuart" <fred@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:QoGff.119531$S4.34857@edtnps84...
>>
>> Robert McGregor <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in
>> message
>> news:437ec527_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>>
>>> "Sardonicus Rex" <dontaskiwonttell@leavemealone.com> wrote in
>>> message
>>> news:-cqdnbiqtPC0L-PeRVn-qQ@gbronline.com...
>>> >I went to my doctor today for a followup exam. for my gout -- a
>>> >condition
>>> > aggravated by alcoholism.
>>> >
>>> > I leveled with him for the first time ever and told him I am an
>>> > alcoholic
>>> > He's a great doctor and didn't give me any head-shaking or
>>> > lectures.
>>> >
>>> > But he did ask me if I was interested in taking Campral and gave
>>> > me
>>> > a
>>> > month's worth of samples. From what he told me, it works in the
>>> > amino acid
>>> > centers in the brain and has demonstrated a clinical effect on
>>> > the
>>> > craving
>>> > for alcohol.
>>> >
>>> > I'm pursuing a variety of methods to help me quit drinking,
>>> > including AA,
>>> > and based on nearly 20 years of experience with my doctor,
>>> > believe
>>> > this
>>> > avenue is worth pursuing.
>>> >
>>> > Have any of you grown tentacles or third eyes from taking said
>>> > medication
>>> > for a few weeks/months?
>>> >
>>>
>>>
>>> Could your doctor introduce you to any alcoholic patient/s that
>>> took
>>> Campral and actually stayed sober for a few weeks/months?
>>>
>>> Of the few alcoholics I've known were prescribed that drug, only
>>> one
>>> stopped drinking alcohol, but that was when he died.
>>>
>>> Bob
>>
>> The drug was fairly thoroughly tested during its development in
>> France, and
>> had shown to be signifigantly superior to placebo in controlling
>> drinking
>> (short-term) in controlled double-blind peer-reviewed clinical
>> studies. The
>> drug was first tested in European studies, seven worth a serious
>> read from
>> 1997 to 2001. It was thought to be ineffective WRT to relapse, even
>> then. US
>> based studies started circa 2001 seem to confirm this.(It was
>> approved for
>> general prescription in the US, I believe in mid 2004)
>> But, then again, should you be so hasty in dismissing it as a tool
>> for
>> treatment? It is deemed effective in a sub-group of patients, and
>> the
>> manufacturer recommends it as a potential starting point, with the
>> end point
>> being psychosocial support of the alcoholic patient, AA for
>> example.
>> Have you read any of the studies on acamprosate?
>>
> Stuart, as opposed to your bullshit, other than suggesting seeking
> confirmation of specific medical opinion, I plainly stated what facts
> I knew, neither dismissing, nor endorsing, any drug.

> >
> However, given your argument, I'm betting the doctor concerned
> probably cannot produce any patients for whom the drug has been
> claimed "proven" to help. Meanwhile, those free samples should result
> in someone somewhere who manages to stop drinking somehow, and will
> surely be counted by the drug dealers as proof of their success.
> After all, what else are free samples for.
>
> Although debating with liars like you and your AA pal rosie is a
> waste of time, others here may want to be aware of at least one of
> the other ways pharmaceutical corporations appear to legitimise their
> "studies" http://tinyurl.com/csvq7
>
> Of the few alcoholics I've known personally being prescribed Campral,
> only one stopped drinking alcohol, but that was when he died.
>
> Bob

others here may want to be aware of at least one of
> the other ways pharmaceutical corporations appear to legitimise their
> "studies" http://tinyurl.com/csvq7

Oh yes, thanks for the tip Bob. I am aware that some of the earlier studies
were indeed funded by the company, and some more recent ones were
independently funded, so your point is taken.

Stuart, as opposed to your bullshit, other than suggesting seeking
> confirmation of specific medical opinion, I plainly stated what facts
> I knew, neither dismissing, nor endorsing, any drug.


And I was doing exactly the same thing Bob. I'm not so certain why you be in
such an uproar over it. Why are you angry Bob? Maybe you might ask yourself
that question. It was not my intention to draw ire from you at all.



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>
>
>
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>

"stuart" <ggo@feds.org> wrote in message
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>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in
> message news:437f57e0_1@news.iprimus.com.au...

>>
>> Although debating with liars like you and your AA pal rosie is a
>> waste of time, others here may want to be aware of at least one of
>> the other ways pharmaceutical corporations appear to legitimise their
>> "studies" http://tinyurl.com/csvq7
>>
>> Of the few alcoholics I've known personally being prescribed Campral,
>> only one stopped drinking alcohol, but that was when he died.
>>
>> Bob



as usual, robert has not produced any studies regarding the DEATH of a
person HE KNOWS PERSONALLY who died from campral.
and then CHANGES the subject with his wide brush stokes regarding his
obvious prejudice toward the pharmaceutical companies.................
robert, robert, why not sing another tune?
or at least back up some of your ridiculous statements with facts!
remember?
we are talking about campral and DEATH OF A PERSON YOU KNEW PERSONALLY.

liar?
POT -KETTLE -BLACK!

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> "stuart" <ggo@feds.org> wrote in message
> news:FcJff.127694$yS6.22334@clgrps12...
>>
>> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in
>> message news:437f57e0_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
>>>
>>> Although debating with liars like you and your AA pal rosie is a
>>> waste of time, others here may want to be aware of at least one of
>>> the other ways pharmaceutical corporations appear to legitimise their
>>> "studies" http://tinyurl.com/csvq7
>>>
>>> Of the few alcoholics I've known personally being prescribed Campral,
>>> only one stopped drinking alcohol, but that was when he died.
>>>
>>> Bob
>
>
>
> as usual, robert has not produced any studies regarding the DEATH of a
> person HE KNOWS PERSONALLY who died from campral.
> and then CHANGES the subject with his wide brush stokes regarding his
> obvious prejudice toward the pharmaceutical companies.................
> robert, robert, why not sing another tune?
> or at least back up some of your ridiculous statements with facts!
> remember?
> we are talking about campral and DEATH OF A PERSON YOU KNEW PERSONALLY.
>
> liar?
> POT -KETTLE -BLACK!

I didn't interpret his comment to suggest the person died from Campral. I
think he meant the person only quit drinking when he died, in spite of
Campral being tried at one point in time. OTOH, maybe he was insinuating
Campral had something to do with his demise, I don't know. Ether directly,
or indirectly, by giving this person hope he might stop drinking with the
Campral and relaxed on his other therapies. Who knows with Bob?
It's difficult to ask Bob to have patience with us slow learners sometimes

keep coming back stuart.....................robert is just
robert......................

--

dear mr. bush,
http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/in...d=4924#mistake



"stuart" <ggo@feds.org> wrote in message
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>
> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:ZGKff.1024$GG1.897@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>>
>> "stuart" <ggo@feds.org> wrote in message
>> news:FcJff.127694$yS6.22334@clgrps12...
>>>
>>> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in
>>> message news:437f57e0_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>
>>>>
>>>> Although debating with liars like you and your AA pal rosie is a
>>>> waste of time, others here may want to be aware of at least one of
>>>> the other ways pharmaceutical corporations appear to legitimise
>>>> their
>>>> "studies" http://tinyurl.com/csvq7
>>>>
>>>> Of the few alcoholics I've known personally being prescribed
>>>> Campral,
>>>> only one stopped drinking alcohol, but that was when he died.
>>>>
>>>> Bob
>>
>>
>>
>> as usual, robert has not produced any studies regarding the DEATH of
>> a person HE KNOWS PERSONALLY who died from campral.
>> and then CHANGES the subject with his wide brush stokes regarding his
>> obvious prejudice toward the pharmaceutical
>> companies.................
>> robert, robert, why not sing another tune?
>> or at least back up some of your ridiculous statements with facts!
>> remember?
>> we are talking about campral and DEATH OF A PERSON YOU KNEW
>> PERSONALLY.
>>
>> liar?
>> POT -KETTLE -BLACK!
>
> I didn't interpret his comment to suggest the person died from
> Campral. I think he meant the person only quit drinking when he died,
> in spite of Campral being tried at one point in time. OTOH, maybe he
> was insinuating Campral had something to do with his demise, I don't
> know. Ether directly, or indirectly, by giving this person hope he
> might stop drinking with the Campral and relaxed on his other
> therapies. Who knows with Bob?
> It's difficult to ask Bob to have patience with us slow learners
> sometimes
>