stuart wrote:

>Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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>>stuart wrote:
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>>>"Ken" <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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>>>>Rrrrrick@webtv.net wrote:
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>>>>>I didn't know there was such a thing as an "official" AA spokesman.
>>>>>Maybe I've misunderstood the traditions for the last 25 years.
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>>>>Rick,
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>>>>I never new such a creature existed myself until I met him on a radio
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>show
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>>>>in San Francisco. I think the local Intergroup sent him out.
>>>>If I can find the tape, I'd like to put it on line.
>>>>
>>>>Ken Ragge
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>>>Of course AA may have duly elected spokespeople, when required. That's
>>>
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>why
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>>>there are group and district service reps.
>>>"Our leaders are but trusted servants, they do not govern". That about
>>>explains their role when "speaking on behalf of AA"
>>>
>>>When we send speakers out into the community, they are speaking on behalf
>>>
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>of
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>>>AA. They attend a speaker workshop first to obatin guidlines.
>>>But then again Ken you are so far out of touch with AA, you probably
>>>wouldn't know that.
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>>Stuart,
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>>Either I am so far out of touch with AA that I was totally aware of AA
>>sending out a speaker when they know there is controversy which is a
>>_far_ different matter from sending out speakers where they know they
>>won't face controversy. Of course, I've not seen it since, either.
>>
>>You certainly must know as well as I do that sending out an official
>>representative for a radio show where two authors of AA were is so far
>>removed from the norm that it may never have happened before or again.
>>
>>Either that or you are so far out of touch with what AA does and doesn't
>>do that you just didn't know and confused sending out speakers to
>>promote AA where they won't face controversy is the same thing.
>>
>>Ken Ragge
>>http://www.morerevealed.com
>>
>>
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>Sorry Ken, you lost me with the run-on sentences and the confusing
>grammatical stricture...
>In any event, since you don't attend AA meetings, or participate at any
>leadership level, it really matters very little.
>Not much action in arf? I unsubscribed awhile back. Same old same old....:-)
>
>
Stuart,

Well, run on sentences is what tends to happen when I get tired. Put
briefly and hopefully succinctly, I've never before or since heard of AA
sending out someone to officially present the AA postition when there
were critics involved.

You are right about arf12s. Same old same old. Other than most of the
posters being being from 12-Step groups, it is Virt posting more than
half the posts and people thinking there is some reason to respond to
him. There really is no reason for the group other than a place to keep
Virt busy and from bugging people elsewhere.

>PS Ever hear from Dave at the Llama ranchl? He had a pretty nice race car at
>one point. I wonder if he still tears around the track at all?
>
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I haven't heard from him in ages. Almost no one who used to post on
arf23s still posts there. Most people who post anywhere on the net on
the subject have gone to private discussion groups.

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com

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"Ken" <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
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> stuart wrote:
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>>Ken <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>news:45Cdndf2p4yAc-beRVn-iA@comcast.com...
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>>>stuart wrote:
>>>
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>>>>"Ken" <nospam@nowhere.org> wrote in message
>>>>news:dqSdnUcJO5--_ubeRVn-rw@comcast.com...
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>>>>>Rrrrrick@webtv.net wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>I didn't know there was such a thing as an "official" AA spokesman.
>>>>>>Maybe I've misunderstood the traditions for the last 25 years.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>Rick,
>>>>>
>>>>>I never new such a creature existed myself until I met him on a radio
>>>>>
>>show
>>
>>>>>in San Francisco. I think the local Intergroup sent him out.
>>>>>If I can find the tape, I'd like to put it on line.
>>>>>
>>>>>Ken Ragge
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>Of course AA may have duly elected spokespeople, when required. That's
>>>>
>>why
>>
>>>>there are group and district service reps.
>>>>"Our leaders are but trusted servants, they do not govern". That about
>>>>explains their role when "speaking on behalf of AA"
>>>>
>>>>When we send speakers out into the community, they are speaking on
>>>>behalf
>>>>
>>of
>>
>>>>AA. They attend a speaker workshop first to obatin guidlines.
>>>>But then again Ken you are so far out of touch with AA, you probably
>>>>wouldn't know that.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>Stuart,
>>>
>>>Either I am so far out of touch with AA that I was totally aware of AA
>>>sending out a speaker when they know there is controversy which is a
>>>_far_ different matter from sending out speakers where they know they
>>>won't face controversy. Of course, I've not seen it since, either.
>>>
>>>You certainly must know as well as I do that sending out an official
>>>representative for a radio show where two authors of AA were is so far
>>>removed from the norm that it may never have happened before or again.
>>>
>>>Either that or you are so far out of touch with what AA does and doesn't
>>>do that you just didn't know and confused sending out speakers to
>>>promote AA where they won't face controversy is the same thing.
>>>
>>>Ken Ragge
>>>http://www.morerevealed.com
>>>
>>
>>
>>Sorry Ken, you lost me with the run-on sentences and the confusing
>>grammatical stricture...
>>In any event, since you don't attend AA meetings, or participate at any
>>leadership level, it really matters very little.
>>Not much action in arf? I unsubscribed awhile back. Same old same
>>old....:-)
>>
> Stuart,
>
> Well, run on sentences is what tends to happen when I get tired.

Just a joke Ken. Maybe it's my comprehension...

Put
> briefly and hopefully succinctly, I've never before or since heard of AA
> sending out someone to officially present the AA postition when there were
> critics involved.
>
> You are right about arf12s. Same old same old. Other than most of the
> posters being being from 12-Step groups, it is Virt posting more than half
> the posts and people thinking there is some reason to respond to him.
> There really is no reason for the group other than a place to keep Virt
> busy and from bugging people elsewhere.
>
>>PS Ever hear from Dave at the Llama ranchl? He had a pretty nice race car
>>at
>>one point. I wonder if he still tears around the track at all?
>>
>>
> I haven't heard from him in ages. Almost no one who used to post on
> arf23s still posts there. Most people who post anywhere on the net on the
> subject have gone to private discussion groups.
>
> Ken Ragge
> http://www.morerevealed.com
>
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