"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:kHp9f.12574$8K4.6573@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> robert,
> in the USA, that 10 second spot you saw on television,(generally
> late at
> night) fall under PUBLIC INFORMATION, not advertising.


rosie, that traditional hypocritical "esoteric bullshit" is one of
your more amusing examples of AAspeak, or more accurately in this
instance, traditional esoteric AAshout.

Nevertheless, for you to provide even one example of free to air paid
TV advertising that is *not* public information would, of necessity,
adorn my smirk with humble pie.

Bob


>
>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in
> message news:436609e4_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>
>> "totfit" <totfitNOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:lutbm19iqo4v1tkns2fpmc993anbscvj6v@4ax.com...
>> > On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:04:24 -0500, "Bobby L"
>> > <bobbyl2000@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >>
>> >>AA did not lose anything today. My experience suggests AA does
>> >>not
>> >>hold a
>> >>lot of membership drives. I cannot speak for your experience.
>> >>Sounds like
>> >>another alcoholic missed an opportunity to get sober, as he was
>> >>unable to
>> >>differentiate the true from the false.
>> >>
>> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>Bobby L
>> >>
>> >
>> > Why assume that he missed an opportunity to stay sober? It could
>> > be
>> > that he just decided AA wasn't his path to sobriety. If someone
>> > wants
>> > sobriety bad enough, they will find a path AA or other.
>> >
>>
>> Assuming he is a real alcoholic, why assume the evidence posted
>> here,
>> that he is already prioritising his own religious prejudice above
>> his
>> recovery, is false?
>>
>> PS. AA *is* currently holding a membership drive, I've already
>> seen
>> an "It Works" TV promotion, once again.
>>
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>
>

"totfit" <totfitNOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:lutbm19iqo4v1tkns2fpmc993anbscvj6v@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:04:24 -0500, "Bobby L"
> <bobbyl2000@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>
>
> >
> >AA did not lose anything today. My experience suggests AA does not hold
a
> >lot of membership drives. I cannot speak for your experience. Sounds
like
> >another alcoholic missed an opportunity to get sober, as he was unable to
> >differentiate the true from the false.
> >
>
> >
> >
> >Bobby L
> >
>
> Why assume that he missed an opportunity to stay sober? It could be
> that he just decided AA wasn't his path to sobriety. If someone wants
> sobriety bad enough, they will find a path AA or other.
>
> Gregg

Good Point.

Bobby L

robert,
in the USA we have "required" public service announcements.
they are required of each and every station on the airways.
the AA "commercial" of which you speak, is one of them.
i have the vaguest idea of how your country deals with this!








"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in
message news:43668c1e_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>
> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:kHp9f.12574$8K4.6573@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > robert,
> > in the USA, that 10 second spot you saw on television,(generally
> > late at
> > night) fall under PUBLIC INFORMATION, not advertising.
>
>
> rosie, that traditional hypocritical "esoteric bullshit" is one of
> your more amusing examples of AAspeak, or more accurately in this
> instance, traditional esoteric AAshout.
>
> Nevertheless, for you to provide even one example of free to air paid
> TV advertising that is *not* public information would, of necessity,
> adorn my smirk with humble pie.
>
> Bob
>
>
> >
> >
> > "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in
> > message news:436609e4_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
> >>
> >> "totfit" <totfitNOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >> news:lutbm19iqo4v1tkns2fpmc993anbscvj6v@4ax.com...
> >> > On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:04:24 -0500, "Bobby L"
> >> > <bobbyl2000@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>AA did not lose anything today. My experience suggests AA does
> >> >>not
> >> >>hold a
> >> >>lot of membership drives. I cannot speak for your experience.
> >> >>Sounds like
> >> >>another alcoholic missed an opportunity to get sober, as he was
> >> >>unable to
> >> >>differentiate the true from the false.
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >>Bobby L
> >> >>
> >> >
> >> > Why assume that he missed an opportunity to stay sober? It could
> >> > be
> >> > that he just decided AA wasn't his path to sobriety. If someone
> >> > wants
> >> > sobriety bad enough, they will find a path AA or other.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Assuming he is a real alcoholic, why assume the evidence posted
> >> here,
> >> that he is already prioritising his own religious prejudice above
> >> his
> >> recovery, is false?
> >>
> >> PS. AA *is* currently holding a membership drive, I've already
> >> seen
> >> an "It Works" TV promotion, once again.
> >>
> >>
> >> Bob
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
>
>

"rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fxK9f.20851$1A1.9941@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> robert,
> in the USA we have "required" public service announcements.
> they are required of each and every station on the airways.
> the AA "commercial" of which you speak, is one of them.
> i have the vaguest idea of how your country deals with this!
>


A list of AA service locations and times could honestly be
classified as a public service announcement. Any addition to that,
such as the highly debatable, "it works," is promotion *as distinct*
from attraction.

However, what I saw on TV was simply AA promotion without *any*
service announcements, at all.

tweetie, it does seem that in your country, arfers could actually be
correct, in that as a result of effective lobbying, AA recruiters can
depend on media outlets being "required" to donate airtime at no cost
to AA.

Bob

>
>
>
>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote in
> message news:43668c1e_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>>
>> "rosie read n' post" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:kHp9f.12574$8K4.6573@tornado.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>> > robert,
>> > in the USA, that 10 second spot you saw on television,(generally
>> > late at
>> > night) fall under PUBLIC INFORMATION, not advertising.
>>
>>
>> rosie, that traditional hypocritical "esoteric bullshit" is one of
>> your more amusing examples of AAspeak, or more accurately in this
>> instance, traditional esoteric AAshout.
>>
>> Nevertheless, for you to provide even one example of free to air
>> paid
>> TV advertising that is *not* public information would, of
>> necessity,
>> adorn my smirk with humble pie.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> >
>> >
>> > "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@knickers.yahoo.com.au> wrote
>> > in
>> > message news:436609e4_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>> >>
>> >> "totfit" <totfitNOSPAM@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> >> news:lutbm19iqo4v1tkns2fpmc993anbscvj6v@4ax.com...
>> >> > On Sun, 30 Oct 2005 22:04:24 -0500, "Bobby L"
>> >> > <bobbyl2000@bellsouth.net> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>AA did not lose anything today. My experience suggests AA
>> >> >>does
>> >> >>not
>> >> >>hold a
>> >> >>lot of membership drives. I cannot speak for your
>> >> >>experience.
>> >> >>Sounds like
>> >> >>another alcoholic missed an opportunity to get sober, as he
>> >> >>was
>> >> >>unable to
>> >> >>differentiate the true from the false.
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Bobby L
>> >> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Why assume that he missed an opportunity to stay sober? It
>> >> > could
>> >> > be
>> >> > that he just decided AA wasn't his path to sobriety. If
>> >> > someone
>> >> > wants
>> >> > sobriety bad enough, they will find a path AA or other.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >> Assuming he is a real alcoholic, why assume the evidence posted
>> >> here,
>> >> that he is already prioritising his own religious prejudice
>> >> above
>> >> his
>> >> recovery, is false?
>> >>
>> >> PS. AA *is* currently holding a membership drive, I've already
>> >> seen
>> >> an "It Works" TV promotion, once again.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Bob
>> >>
>> >>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

"Bobby L" <bobbyl2000@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:aUf9f.30380$ty1.12250@bignews1.bellsouth.net. ..
>
> "Darren" <darren@dazze.net> wrote in message
> news:O_O8f.20657$6i4.7809@newsfe7-gui.ntli.net...
> >
> > "Poe" <Poe34@mail.com> wrote in message
> > news:67%7f.7212$ki7.475838@news20.bellglobal.com.. .
> > > I think i might need a 12 step rpogram, here are my issues.
> > >
> > > 1) I can't deal with my parents with any of this they were a
fundimental
> > > element in my childhood abuse and they are now to old to confront.
> > >
> > > 2) I cannot accept a christian belive system, I am a buddhist.
> >
> > AA lost a buddhist today because of the conflicting spiritual beleifs.
Sad
> > really. The stongest tree in the wood bends with the wind, AA should
too.
> > >
>
>
> AA did not lose anything today. My experience suggests AA does not hold a
> lot of membership drives. I cannot speak for your experience. Sounds
like
> another alcoholic missed an opportunity to get sober, as he was unable to
> differentiate the true from the false.

No, he's a buddhist. He wants to be sobriety, not religious conversion.
Still he has ad-action and my best wishes.

>
> for Poe -- Are you really a buddhist? Your comment on some element of
> childhood abuse perplexes me if you are indeed a buddhist. A buddhist
would
> not have to deal with childhood abuse as he would understand the abuse was
> his karma.

Buddhists are people to subect to the same emotional traumas as everyone
else. Buddhist or not if someone is abused as a child it's going to damage
him as an adult.

>Confrontation with the abuser would not be necessary - only the
> acceptance of the basic buddhist truth that "you had it coming." As a
> Buddhist, perhaps you should thank your parents for the abuse as they
helped
> balance your karma.

Are you speaking as a buddhist, experienced buddhists or as one who is
subscribing to stereotypes?
>
> The Buddha said, "According to the seed that is sown,
> So is the fruit you reap
> The door of good will gather good result
> The door of evil reaps evil result.
> If you plant a good seed well,
> Then you will enjoyed the good fruits."
>
> Your statements regarding this need to confront your parents are likely
> increasing your Akushala. Perhaps you are thinking and wishing to act out
> of hatred and illusion. You know what that means ---- more shit is coming.
>
> Good Luck with that.

As Buddha once said, "A phoenix can fly only when its wings have grown".
>
>
>
> Bobby L
>
>

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:23:01 GMT, "jim" <dingdong46@shaw.ca> wrote:

>get a life

gee, jim, that construction was very criticisive

grats


>"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
>news:9eu1m15dvqhi013643qafliuu97uje6o74@4ax.com.. .
>> On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 03:12:53 -0400, Poe <Poe34@mail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I think i might need a 12 step rpogram, here are my issues.
>>>
>>>1) I can't deal with my parents with any of this they were a fundimental
>>>element in my childhood abuse and they are now to old to confront.
>>>
>>>2) I cannot accept a christian belive system, I am a buddhist.
>>>
>>>HELP.
>>
>> 1) all of us are f##k'd up cause we were potty trained too young too
>>
>> 2) try Poeism, see if that works, maybe therein is an acceptable
>> higher source to ask these questions to
>>
>> 3) learning to spell the standard way never harmed any rebels without
>> a cause
>>
>> 4) you should have seen our columbian television stunts, if you
>> thought the speakers were smart
>>
>> 5) have an AWEsome day
>

Once again I say to you Rock, huh?.Something I wrote way back in October and
you expect me to remember it? What has it got to do with me today? Are you
ok?
Jim
"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
news:1dedq1p15nsrkehr7erb9ee5hn70cgmr2c@4ax.com...
> On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 15:23:01 GMT, "jim" <dingdong46@shaw.ca> wrote:
>
>>get a life
>
> gee, jim, that construction was very criticisive
>
> grats
>
>
>>"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
>>news:9eu1m15dvqhi013643qafliuu97uje6o74@4ax.com. ..
>>> On Thu, 27 Oct 2005 03:12:53 -0400, Poe <Poe34@mail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I think i might need a 12 step rpogram, here are my issues.
>>>>
>>>>1) I can't deal with my parents with any of this they were a fundimental
>>>>element in my childhood abuse and they are now to old to confront.
>>>>
>>>>2) I cannot accept a christian belive system, I am a buddhist.
>>>>
>>>>HELP.
>>>
>>> 1) all of us are f##k'd up cause we were potty trained too young too
>>>
>>> 2) try Poeism, see if that works, maybe therein is an acceptable
>>> higher source to ask these questions to
>>>
>>> 3) learning to spell the standard way never harmed any rebels without
>>> a cause
>>>
>>> 4) you should have seen our columbian television stunts, if you
>>> thought the speakers were smart
>>>
>>> 5) have an AWEsome day
>>
>