STEP TEN: Continued to take personal inventory
and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.

"The emphasis on inventory is heavy only
because a great many of us have never really
acquired the habit of accurate self-appraisal.
Once this healthy practice has become grooved,
it will be so interesting and profitable that
the time it takes won't be missed. For these
minutes and sometimes hours spent in self-
examination are bound to make all the other
hours of our day better and happier."

c. 1952, Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, pages 89-90
************************************************** ***********

On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:03:48 GMT, "rosie read n' post"
<readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote:

>STEP TEN: Continued to take personal inventory
>and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
>
>"The emphasis on inventory is heavy only
>because a great many of us have never really
>acquired the habit of accurate self-appraisal.
>Once this healthy practice has become grooved,
>it will be so interesting and profitable that
>the time it takes won't be missed. For these
>minutes and sometimes hours spent in self-
>examination are bound to make all the other
>hours of our day better and happier."
>
>c. 1952, Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, pages 89-90\
>************************************************* ************
>
>

Here's more about the Man who wrote the Big Book and Rosie's personal
savior and hero:

Bill Wilson was outrageously, feloniously, dishonest. When A.A. was
just getting started, he took the money that had been raised to print
the Big Book, the Bible of A.A. -- money that had been raised through
a felonious stock swindle. Wilson also cheated the buyers of the stock
out of any share of the profits from the sales of the book. And then
he stole the ownership of the copyright to the Big Book, and then took
the royalties from the book sales for himself and Dr. Bob, thus
violating his promises to the 30 other co-authors who were told that
the group would own the book.

Bill promised the 30 or so other authors of the Big Book that the book
would be jointly owned by all of the authors, but when he filed for
the copyright, Wilson claimed that he was the sole author, and that he
was the publishing company that owned the copyright -- not just that
he owned the publishing company, but that the company was
"Wm. G. Wilson, trading as Works Publishing Co.".
That was after Wilson had sold stock in a different publishing
company, "The One Hundred Men Corporation", which had financed the
writing of the book, and was supposed to publish the book and own the
copyright. Then, with that copyright in hand, Bill Wilson blackmailed
the Alcoholic Foundation (early A.A. organization) into giving him and
Doctor Bob all of the royalties from the Big Book. Nobody else got
anything.

Then Bill Wilson cheated all of the stockholders of the "One Hundred
Men Corporation" or "Works Publishing" out of any share of the
profits. They had been promised big profits when they bought the
stock, but when the book-publishing venture finally became profitable,
the stock issue was canceled and nobody got any of the profits. The
profits were diverted to "The Alcoholic Foundation", whose biggest
expense was supporting Bill Wilson in comfort for the rest of his
life.

And while he was pulling all of those stunts, Bill Wilson cajoled all
the other A.A. members to work selflessly, to abandon self-seeking, to
have no thought of personal profit, and to quit being so selfish:

The unselfishness of these men as we have come to know them, the
entire absence of profit motive, and their community spirit, is indeed
inspiring to one who has labored long and wearily in this alcoholic
field.
The Big Book, 3rd Edition, The Doctor's Opinion, page XXV.
"Selfishness, self-centeredness! That, we think, is the root of our
troubles."
"Above everything, we alcoholics must be rid of this selfishness. We
must, or it kills us!"
The Big Book, 3rd Edition, William Wilson, Chapter 5, How It Works,
page 62.

"We will lose interest in selfish things and gain interest in our
fellows. Self-seeking will slip away. Our whole attitude and outlook
upon life will change."
The Promises, in The Big Book, 3rd Edition, William Wilson, Chapter 6,
Into Action, page 84.

"To be vital, faith must be accompanied by self sacrifice and
unselfish, constructive action."
The Big Book, 3rd Edition, William Wilson, Chapter 7, Working With
Others, page 93.


Apparently, Bill Wilson did not consider it "selfish" for him to
demand that the Alcoholics Anonymous organization support him in
comfort for the rest of his life, as well as buy him a beautiful house
in the country and a Cadillac car. Bill Wilson ended up being so rich
that his wife Lois even had a private secretary, Francis Hartigan,5
while Bill supported a mistress, Helen Wynn, on the side. While all of
that was going on, Bill constantly complained about being desperately
poor, starving, unappreciated, and unpaid or underpaid for all of his
hard work.

Speaking of which, Bill Wilson was unfaithful to his wife both before
and after sobriety.
Bill invented the A.A. tradition of "thirteenth stepping" -- sexually
exploiting -- the attractive new women members who come to A.A.
seeking help for alcoholism.
Bill was such an outrageous philanderer that the other A.A. members
had to form a "Founder's Watch Committee", whose job it was to follow
Bill Wilson around, and watch him, and break up budding sexual
relationships between Bill and the dewy-eyed pretty young things who
came to the A.A. meetings, before Bill publicly embarrassed A.A. yet
again.4
Bill Wilson exhibited total disregard for the welfare of the
attractive young women who came to A.A. seeking help to recover from
alcoholism. Bill just screwed them. Any doctor who abused his female
patients that way would have his license to practice medicine revoked.
But since Bill was just a cult leader, not a healer, he didn't have
any license to lose.

Which brings up the next item: The narcissistic Bill Wilson was
incapable of empathy or of caring for the feelings of others. He was
the kind of guy who could sit and watch his wife work all day long
without offering to help, even when she was doing heavy labor like
shoveling the snow off of the sidewalk.

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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:12:22 GMT, MaggieLee@att.net (Maggie) wrote:

:|On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:03:48 GMT, "rosie read n' post"
:|<readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote:
:|
:|>STEP TEN: Continued to take personal inventory
:|>and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
:|>
:|>"The emphasis on inventory is heavy only
:|>because a great many of us have never really
:|>acquired the habit of accurate self-appraisal.
:|>Once this healthy practice has become grooved,
:|>it will be so interesting and profitable that
:|>the time it takes won't be missed. For these
:|>minutes and sometimes hours spent in self-
:|>examination are bound to make all the other
:|>hours of our day better and happier."
:|>
:|>c. 1952, Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, pages 89-90\
:|>*********************************************** **************
:|>
:|>
:|
:|Here's more about the Man who wrote the Big Book and Rosie's personal
:|savior and hero:
:|
:|Bill Wilson was outrageously, feloniously, dishonest. When A.A. was
:|just getting started, he took the money that had been raised to print
:|the Big Book, the Bible of A.A. -- money that had been raised through
:|a felonious stock swindle. Snipped...


:|Which brings up the next item: The narcissistic Bill Wilson was
:|incapable of empathy or of caring for the feelings of others. He was
:|the kind of guy who could sit and watch his wife work all day long
:|without offering to help, even when she was doing heavy labor like
:|shoveling the snow off of the sidewalk.
:|
:|http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-...html#Galbraith
:|
:|
Wilson was far more successful than most, but he's merely typical of the
hypocrites who start up these religious cults for profit. Jim Jones, Jim &
Tammy Faye Baker, would be present day examples of his kind.



Have a nice day;

Bryce L. Martin

Maggie wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:03:48 GMT, "rosie read n' post"
> <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
>>STEP TEN: Continued to take personal inventory
>>and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
>>
>>"The emphasis on inventory is heavy only
>>because a great many of us have never really
>>acquired the habit of accurate self-appraisal.
>>Once this healthy practice has become grooved,
>>it will be so interesting and profitable that
>>the time it takes won't be missed. For these
>>minutes and sometimes hours spent in self-
>>examination are bound to make all the other
>>hours of our day better and happier."
>>
>>c. 1952, Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, pages 89-90\
>>************************************************ *************
>>
>>
>
>
> Here's more about the Man who wrote the Big Book and Rosie's personal
> savior and hero:

LMAO, personal savior and hero? Talk about shooting yourself in the
foot right off the bat.

> Bill Wilson was outrageously, feloniously, dishonest. When A.A. was
> just getting started, he took the money that had been raised to print
> the Big Book, the Bible of A.A. -- money that had been raised through
> a felonious stock swindle. Wilson also cheated the buyers

snip predictable whine / / / / / /

So, Maggie, (sock puppet?) how long before you were born did all this
alleged mischief take place? And how is it that it seems to affect your
life and attention all these years later?

Bryce L. Martin wrote:
>
> On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:12:22 GMT, MaggieLee@att.net (Maggie) wrote:
>
> :|On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:03:48 GMT, "rosie read n' post"
> :|<readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote:
> :|
> :|>STEP TEN: Continued to take personal inventory
> :|>and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
> :|>
> :|>"The emphasis on inventory is heavy only
> :|>because a great many of us have never really
> :|>acquired the habit of accurate self-appraisal.
> :|>Once this healthy practice has become grooved,
> :|>it will be so interesting and profitable that
> :|>the time it takes won't be missed. For these
> :|>minutes and sometimes hours spent in self-
> :|>examination are bound to make all the other
> :|>hours of our day better and happier."
> :|>
> :|>c. 1952, Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, pages 89-90\
> :|>*********************************************** **************
> :|>
> :|>
> :|
> :|Here's more about the Man who wrote the Big Book and Rosie's personal
> :|savior and hero:
> :|
> :|Bill Wilson was outrageously, feloniously, dishonest. When A.A. was
> :|just getting started, he took the money that had been raised to print
> :|the Big Book, the Bible of A.A. -- money that had been raised through
> :|a felonious stock swindle. Snipped...
>
>
> :|Which brings up the next item: The narcissistic Bill Wilson was
> :|incapable of empathy or of caring for the feelings of others. He was
> :|the kind of guy who could sit and watch his wife work all day long
> :|without offering to help, even when she was doing heavy labor like
> :|shoveling the snow off of the sidewalk.
> :|
> :|http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-...html#Galbraith
> :|
> :|
> Wilson was far more successful than most, but he's merely typical of the
> hypocrites who start up these religious cults for profit. Jim Jones, Jim &
> Tammy Faye Baker, would be present day examples of his kind.

Bill has much more power than the later two grifters. *They* took time
and money from their *followers* while Bill takes time and money from
his detractors decades after he's dead and gone. LOL. B.T. Barnum, got
nothing on old Bill. Jim Jones????? LMAO, old Bill really has his hooks
into you, don't he, poor lifeless Bryce.

On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:24:48 GMT, "F.H." <connectu2@verizon.net> wrote:

:|Bryce L. Martin wrote:
:|>
:|> On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:12:22 GMT, MaggieLee@att.net (Maggie) wrote:
:|>
Snipped...
:|> :|
:|> :|
:|> Wilson was far more successful than most, but he's merely typical of the
:|> hypocrites who start up these religious cults for profit. Jim Jones, Jim &
:|> Tammy Faye Baker, would be present day examples of his kind.
:|
:|Bill has much more power than the later two grifters. *They* took time
:|and money from their *followers* while Bill takes time and money from
:|his detractors decades after he's dead and gone. LOL. B.T. Barnum, got
:|nothing on old Bill. Jim Jones????? LMAO, old Bill really has his hooks
:|into you, don't he, poor lifeless Bryce.

Not any more he doesn't. BTW that's Phineas T. Barnum, not with a "B."
He was a phony too, but he was at least open about it. He amused a lot of
people with his show. I have enough life left to figure some "grifters" out.




Have a nice day;

Bryce L. Martin

On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 15:58:21 GMT, Bryce L. Martin
<nothere@anymore.net> wrote:

>
>
>On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:12:22 GMT, MaggieLee@att.net (Maggie) wrote:
>
>:|On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:03:48 GMT, "rosie read n' post"
>:|<readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote:
>:|
>:|>STEP TEN: Continued to take personal inventory
>:|>and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
>:|>
>:|>"The emphasis on inventory is heavy only
>:|>because a great many of us have never really
>:|>acquired the habit of accurate self-appraisal.
>:|>Once this healthy practice has become grooved,
>:|>it will be so interesting and profitable that
>:|>the time it takes won't be missed. For these
>:|>minutes and sometimes hours spent in self-
>:|>examination are bound to make all the other
>:|>hours of our day better and happier."
>:|>
>:|>c. 1952, Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, pages 89-90\
>:|>********************************************** ***************
>:|>
>:|>
>:|
>:|Here's more about the Man who wrote the Big Book and Rosie's personal
>:|savior and hero:
>:|
>:|Bill Wilson was outrageously, feloniously, dishonest. When A.A. was
>:|just getting started, he took the money that had been raised to print
>:|the Big Book, the Bible of A.A. -- money that had been raised through
>:|a felonious stock swindle. Snipped...
>
>
>:|Which brings up the next item: The narcissistic Bill Wilson was
>:|incapable of empathy or of caring for the feelings of others. He was
>:|the kind of guy who could sit and watch his wife work all day long
>:|without offering to help, even when she was doing heavy labor like
>:|shoveling the snow off of the sidewalk.
>:|
>:|http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-...html#Galbraith
>:|
>:|
>Wilson was far more successful than most, but he's merely typical of the
>hypocrites who start up these religious cults for profit. Jim Jones, Jim &
>Tammy Faye Baker, would be present day examples of his kind.
>
>
>
>Have a nice day;
>
>Bryce L. Martin

I couldn't agree more!! Thanks!


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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:24:48 GMT, "F.H." <connectu2@verizon.net>
wrote:

>Bryce L. Martin wrote:
>>
>> On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:12:22 GMT, MaggieLee@att.net (Maggie) wrote:
>>
>> :|On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:03:48 GMT, "rosie read n' post"
>> :|<readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> :|
>> :|>STEP TEN: Continued to take personal inventory
>> :|>and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
>> :|>
>> :|>"The emphasis on inventory is heavy only
>> :|>because a great many of us have never really
>> :|>acquired the habit of accurate self-appraisal.
>> :|>Once this healthy practice has become grooved,
>> :|>it will be so interesting and profitable that
>> :|>the time it takes won't be missed. For these
>> :|>minutes and sometimes hours spent in self-
>> :|>examination are bound to make all the other
>> :|>hours of our day better and happier."
>> :|>
>> :|>c. 1952, Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, pages 89-90\
>> :|>*********************************************** **************
>> :|>
>> :|>
>> :|
>> :|Here's more about the Man who wrote the Big Book and Rosie's personal
>> :|savior and hero:
>> :|
>> :|Bill Wilson was outrageously, feloniously, dishonest. When A.A. was
>> :|just getting started, he took the money that had been raised to print
>> :|the Big Book, the Bible of A.A. -- money that had been raised through
>> :|a felonious stock swindle. Snipped...
>>
>>
>> :|Which brings up the next item: The narcissistic Bill Wilson was
>> :|incapable of empathy or of caring for the feelings of others. He was
>> :|the kind of guy who could sit and watch his wife work all day long
>> :|without offering to help, even when she was doing heavy labor like
>> :|shoveling the snow off of the sidewalk.
>> :|
>> :|http://www.orange-papers.org/orange-...html#Galbraith
>> :|
>> :|
>> Wilson was far more successful than most, but he's merely typical of the
>> hypocrites who start up these religious cults for profit. Jim Jones, Jim &
>> Tammy Faye Baker, would be present day examples of his kind.
>
>Bill has much more power than the later two grifters. *They* took time
>and money from their *followers* while Bill takes time and money from
>his detractors decades after he's dead and gone. LOL. B.T. Barnum, got
>nothing on old Bill. Jim Jones????? LMAO, old Bill really has his hooks
>into you, don't he, poor lifeless Bryce.

AA Success Rate:

For many years in the 1970s and 1980s, the AA GSO (Alcoholics
Anonymous General Service Organization) conducted triennial surveys
where they counted their members and asked questions like how long
members had been sober. Around 1990, they published a commentary on
the surveys: Comments on A.A.'s Triennial Surveys [no author listed,
published by Alcoholics Anonymous World Services, Inc., New York, no
date (probably 1990)]. The document has an A.A. identification number
of "5M/12-90/TC". The document was produced for A.A. internal use
only. It has a graph on page 12 (Diagram C-1) that shows that
newcomers drop out, relapse, leave, or disappear at a staggeringly
high rate.8 Averaging the results from the five surveys from 1977 to
1989 yielded these numbers:


81% are gone (19% remain) after 1 month;
90% are gone (10% remain) after 3 months,
93% are gone (7% remain) after 6 months,
and 95% are gone (5% remain) at the end of one year.

That gives A.A. a maximum possible success rate of only 5% (even if
you define "success" as staying sober for only one year). That is not
what a competent doctor would call good medical treatment. The FDA
would never approve a medicine that is only successful on 5% of the
patients.

But not even all of those five percent who "Keep Coming Back" for a
year are continuously sober. Some of them relapse repeatedly. Those
triennial surveys only showed how many people kept coming back to
meetings, not how many of them stayed sober for the full year. And
then the attrition continues as more and more people leave, year after
year. Old-timers with 20 years of sobriety are as rare as hen's teeth.
Fewer than one newcomer in a thousand makes it for that long. Such
old-timers are treated like visiting royalty when they come to speak
at A.A. meetings, just because they are so rare.

Note that we are not told exactly how the GSO decides who is a member.
The most likely criterion is the one used by Bill C. in 1965. Charles
Bufe pointed out that in a 1965 article in the Quarterly Journal of
Studies on Alcohol, Bill C. considered anyone who had attended 10 or
more meetings to be a member.5 But that eliminates from the statistics
all of those people who came looking for help, and attended a few or
several meetings, but who were so put off by the religiosity and
cultishness and faith-healing atmosphere that they stopped coming
back.

If all of those people were included in the numbers, it would "water
down" the claimed retention rate and the claimed success rate to the
point where they would be truly pathetic. We would get numbers like,
"95% are gone in a month, and 99% are gone in a year."


And also note that the claimed five percent of A.A. newcomers who are
still coming back after one year (and sober, we hope) is exactly the
same number as the normal rate of spontaneous remission among
alcoholics. If we subtract the usual spontaneous remission rate from
A.A.'s claimed success rate, we get zero percent for A.A.'s actual
effective cure rate. A.A. didn't make anybody quit drinking -- those
who quit were the ones who were going to quit anyway. They would have
quit anyway, no matter what group they were in, be it the Oxford Group
or the Patty-Cake Treatment Program or the Mickey Mouse Club.

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On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:03:21 GMT, "F.H." <connectu2@verizon.net>
wrote:

>Maggie wrote:
>> On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:03:48 GMT, "rosie read n' post"
>> <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>STEP TEN: Continued to take personal inventory
>>>and when we were wrong promptly admitted it.
>>>
>>>"The emphasis on inventory is heavy only
>>>because a great many of us have never really
>>>acquired the habit of accurate self-appraisal.
>>>Once this healthy practice has become grooved,
>>>it will be so interesting and profitable that
>>>the time it takes won't be missed. For these
>>>minutes and sometimes hours spent in self-
>>>examination are bound to make all the other
>>>hours of our day better and happier."
>>>
>>>c. 1952, Twelve Steps and Twelve Traditions, pages 89-90\
>>>*********************************************** **************
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> Here's more about the Man who wrote the Big Book and Rosie's personal
>> savior and hero:
>
>LMAO, personal savior and hero? Talk about shooting yourself in the
>foot right off the bat.

He IS Rosie's personal savior and hero. Why else would she post his
Big Book Bullshit in here everyday???


>
>> Bill Wilson was outrageously, feloniously, dishonest. When A.A. was
>> just getting started, he took the money that had been raised to print
>> the Big Book, the Bible of A.A. -- money that had been raised through
>> a felonious stock swindle. Wilson also cheated the buyers
>
>snip predictable whine / / / / / /
>
>So, Maggie, (sock puppet?) how long before you were born did all this
>alleged mischief take place? And how is it that it seems to affect your
>life and attention all these years later?

All the reading I have done on Bill W and his cult has made me stop
and take a good long look at AA. I hope others do too.


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Bryce L. Martin wrote:
> On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 16:24:48 GMT, "F.H." <connectu2@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> :|Bryce L. Martin wrote:
> :|>
> :|> On Tue, 04 Oct 2005 14:12:22 GMT, MaggieLee@att.net (Maggie) wrote:
> :|>
> Snipped...
> :|> :|
> :|> :|
> :|> Wilson was far more successful than most, but he's merely typical of the
> :|> hypocrites who start up these religious cults for profit. Jim Jones, Jim &
> :|> Tammy Faye Baker, would be present day examples of his kind.
> :|
> :|Bill has much more power than the later two grifters. *They* took time
> :|and money from their *followers* while Bill takes time and money from
> :|his detractors decades after he's dead and gone. LOL. B.T. Barnum, got
> :|nothing on old Bill. Jim Jones????? LMAO, old Bill really has his hooks
> :|into you, don't he, poor lifeless Bryce.
>
> Not any more he doesn't.

You are here, are you not? Comparing Wilson to Jim Jones??? LMAO, got
*any* introspect at all? Some of the "AA cult" seems to have stuck,
here you are 12 stepping for....... well, something.

> BTW that's Phineas T. Barnum, not with a "B."

Why am I not surprised you would correct a typo?

> I have enough life left to figure some "grifters" out.

What constitutes "enough life" varies depending on the eye of the
beholder. Jousting with windmills can make for legends and books, ghosts
of long gone drunks??????? I'd be embarrassed, but that's just *my* "eye."