A new lady was at an AA meeting las monday. This was her third meeting and a
refreshing attitude she has too. One of the younger members sober for 8
years or so started sprouting about 'God' and 'service' or rather people not
doing service. when it came to service he had a point but his god stuff was
way over the top. the new member was sat next to me and after mr X finished
sharing miss Y spoke out. she said she wondered if she was in the right
place.. She said listening to shares like that made her feel she had walked
into a religious crank's group. She said what i thought for a long time but
unlike her i had never had the courage to speak out till monday when after
she finished, along with a few others including a long term sober member I
spoke out backing her up. the atmosphere was thick enough to cut with a
knife but what needed to be said was said by a new member.


Darren

In article <ZpB_e.3032$hP.380@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>, darren@dazze.net
says...
> A new lady was at an AA meeting las monday. This was her third meeting and a
> refreshing attitude she has too. One of the younger members sober for 8
> years or so started sprouting about 'God' and 'service' or rather people not
> doing service. when it came to service he had a point but his god stuff was
> way over the top. the new member was sat next to me and after mr X finished
> sharing miss Y spoke out. she said she wondered if she was in the right
> place.. She said listening to shares like that made her feel she had walked
> into a religious crank's group. She said what i thought for a long time but
> unlike her i had never had the courage to speak out till monday when after
> she finished, along with a few others including a long term sober member I
> spoke out backing her up. the atmosphere was thick enough to cut with a
> knife but what needed to be said was said by a new member.
>
>
> Darren
>
>
>
I think that I might go to a meeting tomorrow. Most of
the people that I've run into at AA haven't been worth
their salt but you seem okay so maybe I'll go back and
listen to their jibba jabba.
--

--

Jesus: BRB
Judas: LOL!
"We smash radios on the floor and grind
toothbrushes on cinderblock walls to see
how easily they can be made into shanks.
All of our hygiene products are screened
for pork and other animal products to
minimize conflicts with the practice of
religious beliefs." - the price is wrong
http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/
http://www.geocities.com/woogawooga99

A new lady was at an AA meeting las monday. This was her third meeting
and a
refreshing attitude she has too. One of the younger members sober for 8

years or so started sprouting about 'God' and 'service' or rather
people not
doing service. when it came to service he had a point but his god stuff
was
way over the top. the new member was sat next to me and after mr X
finished
sharing miss Y spoke out. she said she wondered if she was in the right

place.. She said listening to shares like that made her feel she had
walked
into a religious crank's group. She said what i thought for a long time
but
unlike her i had never had the courage to speak out till monday when
after
she finished, along with a few others including a long term sober
member I
spoke out backing her up. the atmosphere was thick enough to cut with a

knife but what needed to be said was said by a new member.


Darren

Hi Darren. Thanks for posting this. I have been bothered ever since
last night. I facilitate a Relapse Prevention group on Tuesday nights.
This young guy who attends appears to really be wanting recovery and
asks a lot of questions on how to stay sober. In talking with him
before the group starts, one night he said he had attended an AA
meeting once some years back. I asked him if he was willing to attend
one again. He said, "Sure". I asked him if he would go one time in the
next two weeks and he said yeah. Last night he came in and before the
group started he told me he seen a sign out somewhere near where he
lives on a church that said AA. He said the other night he went to the
meeting. He said that there were about 5 or 6 older men that were the
only ones there. He said he told them his name and that he had a
problem with alcohol. He said they proceeded to talk for the hour about
what all they had done the past week. He said it was like he wasn't
even there. He said he thought they were weird and that he sure didn't
want to become them. He then told me that they didn't even ask him to
come back. I told him that for some, that is all they have. If they are
sober then that was good. He said he wasn't going back there and I
agreed he shouldn't. After the group started last night, he shared a
little of that and another fellow in the group, that does not go to AA,
but has been in the past, told the young guy that he knew where to get
a pamplet of the different meetings in the area and told him he would
bring it next week. You know, people put down anything that does not
have to do with AA, but last night I seen a man doing service work by
suggesting another meeting place and volunteering to bring information
in the next week for him. Why wasn't that done for this young guy for
his first meeting the other night? Where was the part where the
newcomer is the most important person at the meeting? Where was the
literature or the Keep Coming Back? That is just one of the many
meetings that are not being attracive to the suffering alcoholic and I
do believe and know from experience that there are more and more of
those kind of meetings.
I would like to think that the girl you were talking about was right
where she was suppose to be and that the young man I was talking about
was right where he was suppose to be. Don't really seem like it in his
case. One never knows though. It stuck with me that he said he didn't
want to turn out like them. Frankly, I don't either.
Take care,
Gail

"Great Scott!" <meanwhileback@theranch.com> wrote in message
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> In article <ZpB_e.3032$hP.380@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>, darren@dazze.net
> says...
> > A new lady was at an AA meeting las monday. This was her third meeting
and a
> > refreshing attitude she has too. One of the younger members sober for 8
> > years or so started sprouting about 'God' and 'service' or rather people
not
> > doing service. when it came to service he had a point but his god stuff
was
> > way over the top. the new member was sat next to me and after mr X
finished
> > sharing miss Y spoke out. she said she wondered if she was in the right
> > place.. She said listening to shares like that made her feel she had
walked
> > into a religious crank's group. She said what i thought for a long time
but
> > unlike her i had never had the courage to speak out till monday when
after
> > she finished, along with a few others including a long term sober member
I
> > spoke out backing her up. the atmosphere was thick enough to cut with a
> > knife but what needed to be said was said by a new member.
> >
> >
> > Darren
> >
> >
> >
> I think that I might go to a meeting tomorrow. Most of
> the people that I've run into at AA haven't been worth
> their salt but you seem okay so maybe I'll go back and
> listen to their jibba jabba.

That's the nicest thing anyone's said to me for a while. but don't just
listen, say what you think. Personally i beleive that all this god pushing
scareses away alcoholics and in turn hurts AA and possibly causes these
alcoholics to keep drinking.

> --
>
> --
>
> Jesus: BRB
> Judas: LOL!
> "We smash radios on the floor and grind
> toothbrushes on cinderblock walls to see
> how easily they can be made into shanks.
> All of our hygiene products are screened
> for pork and other animal products to
> minimize conflicts with the practice of
> religious beliefs." - the price is wrong
> http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/
> http://www.geocities.com/woogawooga99

"Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1127942678.438773.184910@g47g2000cwa.googlegr oups.com...
> A new lady was at an AA meeting las monday. This was her third meeting
> and a
> refreshing attitude she has too. One of the younger members sober for 8
>
> years or so started sprouting about 'God' and 'service' or rather
> people not
> doing service. when it came to service he had a point but his god stuff
> was
> way over the top. the new member was sat next to me and after mr X
> finished
> sharing miss Y spoke out. she said she wondered if she was in the right
>
> place.. She said listening to shares like that made her feel she had
> walked
> into a religious crank's group. She said what i thought for a long time
> but
> unlike her i had never had the courage to speak out till monday when
> after
> she finished, along with a few others including a long term sober
> member I
> spoke out backing her up. the atmosphere was thick enough to cut with a
>
> knife but what needed to be said was said by a new member.
>
>
> Darren
>
> Hi Darren. Thanks for posting this. I have been bothered ever since
> last night. I facilitate a Relapse Prevention group on Tuesday nights.
> This young guy who attends appears to really be wanting recovery and
> asks a lot of questions on how to stay sober. In talking with him
> before the group starts, one night he said he had attended an AA
> meeting once some years back. I asked him if he was willing to attend
> one again. He said, "Sure". I asked him if he would go one time in the
> next two weeks and he said yeah. Last night he came in and before the
> group started he told me he seen a sign out somewhere near where he
> lives on a church that said AA. He said the other night he went to the
> meeting. He said that there were about 5 or 6 older men that were the
> only ones there. He said he told them his name and that he had a
> problem with alcohol. He said they proceeded to talk for the hour about
> what all they had done the past week. He said it was like he wasn't
> even there. He said he thought they were weird and that he sure didn't
> want to become them. He then told me that they didn't even ask him to
> come back. I told him that for some, that is all they have. If they are
> sober then that was good. He said he wasn't going back there and I
> agreed he shouldn't. After the group started last night, he shared a
> little of that and another fellow in the group, that does not go to AA,
> but has been in the past, told the young guy that he knew where to get
> a pamplet of the different meetings in the area and told him he would
> bring it next week. You know, people put down anything that does not
> have to do with AA, but last night I seen a man doing service work by
> suggesting another meeting place and volunteering to bring information
> in the next week for him. Why wasn't that done for this young guy for
> his first meeting the other night? Where was the part where the
> newcomer is the most important person at the meeting? Where was the
> literature or the Keep Coming Back? That is just one of the many
> meetings that are not being attracive to the suffering alcoholic and I
> do believe and know from experience that there are more and more of
> those kind of meetings.
> I would like to think that the girl you were talking about was right
> where she was suppose to be and that the young man I was talking about
> was right where he was suppose to be. Don't really seem like it in his
> case. One never knows though. It stuck with me that he said he didn't
> want to turn out like them. Frankly, I don't either.
> Take care,
> Gail
>

Due to that i'm taking two Gcse's at night school i'm not going to be able
to attend monday or tuesday meetings for a while. These meetings are so
different. we have 4 a week in my city and two are run by the same group (i
don'nt know how all that works but anyway) there's a saturday group which is
what i beleive AA should be. Everyone is welcome and if you are a newcomer
you will be greeted and even made a cup of tea or two. When they talk or
share god isn't mentioned much and they talk frankly but the god concept is
put on the back burner and reserved for private shares usually. . The whole
atmosphere is very relaxed and i would miss that group most if i had to stop
going. Monday's meeting is a little too formal. The chairperson is lovely
and i quite fancy her but she tries to relax the meeting. I think she agreed
with us to some extent last monday. Tuesday is a lot like saturday but a
little more formal but again not a lot of god speak. Thursday is another
monday. Now they are planning to start a group on a sunday but that is
moving slowly if at all. I hope that meeting will take a leaf from
saturday's book

Why not talk about God in the meetings? More and more I start to
believe that AA is merely another denomination of a church. I hear
people say that AA is their church quite a bit. AA teaches the same
thing church teaches. AA just uses their own approach to the teaching
of and about God. Really no different than what is taught in the church
except for God of our understanding. For me, it is the same God I have
always understood. I just don't believe He is out to get me or pay me
back for things I have done. He was never mad at me. I was mad at Him
and I sure didn't want to hear about what He was doing for others in
the church, including AA. I used to get all out of whack listening to
people talk about God. Kinda like hearing about Him now. Can't and
never will please everyone, nor can we always be pleased. There are a
lot worse things to hear talked about or rattled on in meetings than
talk of God. Just my opinion.
Gail

On 29 Sep 2005 10:20:00 -0700, "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Why not talk about God in the meetings? More and more I start to
>believe that AA is merely another denomination of a church. I hear
>people say that AA is their church quite a bit. AA teaches the same
>thing church teaches. AA just uses their own approach to the teaching
>of and about God. Really no different than what is taught in the church
>except for God of our understanding. For me, it is the same God I have
>always understood. I just don't believe He is out to get me or pay me
>back for things I have done. He was never mad at me. I was mad at Him
>and I sure didn't want to hear about what He was doing for others in
>the church, including AA. I used to get all out of whack listening to
>people talk about God. Kinda like hearing about Him now. Can't and
>never will please everyone, nor can we always be pleased. There are a
>lot worse things to hear talked about or rattled on in meetings than
>talk of God. Just my opinion.
>Gail

There are? None that make my nerves rattle as much. Most of the
'God' talk i hear runs along the same lines as Santa Claus, the Easter
Bunny and Fairy Godmothers.

Lot of misguided hooey, enough to make any drinker feel sicker leaving
than they were when they came in, which is good, since no doubt
they're far better off the hell outta there anyway.

I feel bad for the court appointees, you can smell them bristling.
Far better to take them outside for some real talk.

Their punishments get worse with every piss or hair test they fail,
you know. Seems like curing an epileptic with the application of
electric shock therapy for every seizure they have.

Pretty f'n sad. Oh well, nobody really wants it anyway, do they.

On 29 Sep 2005 10:20:00 -0700, "Gail" <serenity6850_2000@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>Why not talk about God in the meetings? More and more I start to
>believe that AA is merely another denomination of a church. I hear
>people say that AA is their church quite a bit. AA teaches the same
>thing church teaches. AA just uses their own approach to the teaching
>of and about God. Really no different than what is taught in the church
>except for God of our understanding. For me, it is the same God I have
>always understood. I just don't believe He is out to get me or pay me
>back for things I have done. He was never mad at me. I was mad at Him
>and I sure didn't want to hear about what He was doing for others in
>the church, including AA. I used to get all out of whack listening to
>people talk about God. Kinda like hearing about Him now. Can't and
>never will please everyone, nor can we always be pleased. There are a
>lot worse things to hear talked about or rattled on in meetings than
>talk of God. Just my opinion.
>Gail
>


When they start overdoing the God bit ,I spend my time checking out my
next hug.

Nice to see ya Gail......miss not reading your post's

Best

Daveb

In article <0zF_e.2761$0w.941@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net>, darren@dazze.net
says...
>
> "Great Scott!" <meanwhileback@theranch.com> wrote in message
> news:MPG.1da4932d9a2a6406989840@News-West.Newsfeeds.com...
> > In article <ZpB_e.3032$hP.380@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>, darren@dazze.net
> > says...
> > > A new lady was at an AA meeting las monday. This was her third meeting
> and a
> > > refreshing attitude she has too. One of the younger members sober for 8
> > > years or so started sprouting about 'God' and 'service' or rather people
> not
> > > doing service. when it came to service he had a point but his god stuff
> was
> > > way over the top. the new member was sat next to me and after mr X
> finished
> > > sharing miss Y spoke out. she said she wondered if she was in the right
> > > place.. She said listening to shares like that made her feel she had
> walked
> > > into a religious crank's group. She said what i thought for a long time
> but
> > > unlike her i had never had the courage to speak out till monday when
> after
> > > she finished, along with a few others including a long term sober member
> I
> > > spoke out backing her up. the atmosphere was thick enough to cut with a
> > > knife but what needed to be said was said by a new member.
> > >
> > >
> > > Darren
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > I think that I might go to a meeting tomorrow. Most of
> > the people that I've run into at AA haven't been worth
> > their salt but you seem okay so maybe I'll go back and
> > listen to their jibba jabba.
>
> That's the nicest thing anyone's said to me for a while. but don't just
> listen, say what you think. Personally i beleive that all this god pushing
> scareses away alcoholics and in turn hurts AA and possibly causes these
> alcoholics to keep drinking.
>
For the short time that it worked for me, the only thing
that kept me off the alcohol was that there were friends
there who were really pushing me and checking up on me.
Of course, this was a long time ago and I didn't know
much about religion, AA, AA's agenda or alcoholism. Now
days, if you join AA, people automatically assume that
you've been put in there by a judge/and/or probation
officer. But, at the time, I took it very seriously and
apologized to everyone who's feelings I's hurt in some
way. Everyone thought that I'd completely lost my mind.
And for a while, I'd lost my sense of humor about everything,
not because of the abstinence, but, by my "self inventory"
and self administered destruction of my own ego. I could
never drink fully enjoyably again, yet, I have either out
of spite or boredom or just generally being pissed off about
my health and lot in life.


> > --
> >
> > --
> >
> > Jesus: BRB
> > Judas: LOL!
> > "We smash radios on the floor and grind
> > toothbrushes on cinderblock walls to see
> > how easily they can be made into shanks.
> > All of our hygiene products are screened
> > for pork and other animal products to
> > minimize conflicts with the practice of
> > religious beliefs." - the price is wrong
> > http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/
> > http://www.geocities.com/woogawooga99
>
>
>

--

--

Jesus: BRB
Judas: LOL!
"We smash radios on the floor and grind
toothbrushes on cinderblock walls to see
how easily they can be made into shanks.
All of our hygiene products are screened
for pork and other animal products to
minimize conflicts with the practice of
religious beliefs." - the price is wrong
http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/
http://www.geocities.com/woogawooga99

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"Great Scott!" <meanwhileback@theranch.com> wrote in message
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> In article <0zF_e.2761$0w.941@newsfe5-gui.ntli.net>, darren@dazze.net
> says...
> >
> > "Great Scott!" <meanwhileback@theranch.com> wrote in message
> > news:MPG.1da4932d9a2a6406989840@News-West.Newsfeeds.com...
> > > In article <ZpB_e.3032$hP.380@newsfe2-gui.ntli.net>, darren@dazze.net
> > > says...
> > > > A new lady was at an AA meeting las monday. This was her third
meeting
> > and a
> > > > refreshing attitude she has too. One of the younger members sober
for 8
> > > > years or so started sprouting about 'God' and 'service' or rather
people
> > not
> > > > doing service. when it came to service he had a point but his god
stuff
> > was
> > > > way over the top. the new member was sat next to me and after mr X
> > finished
> > > > sharing miss Y spoke out. she said she wondered if she was in the
right
> > > > place.. She said listening to shares like that made her feel she had
> > walked
> > > > into a religious crank's group. She said what i thought for a long
time
> > but
> > > > unlike her i had never had the courage to speak out till monday when
> > after
> > > > she finished, along with a few others including a long term sober
member
> > I
> > > > spoke out backing her up. the atmosphere was thick enough to cut
with a
> > > > knife but what needed to be said was said by a new member.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Darren
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > I think that I might go to a meeting tomorrow. Most of
> > > the people that I've run into at AA haven't been worth
> > > their salt but you seem okay so maybe I'll go back and
> > > listen to their jibba jabba.
> >
> > That's the nicest thing anyone's said to me for a while. but don't just
> > listen, say what you think. Personally i beleive that all this god
pushing
> > scareses away alcoholics and in turn hurts AA and possibly causes these
> > alcoholics to keep drinking.
> >
> For the short time that it worked for me, the only thing
> that kept me off the alcohol was that there were friends
> there who were really pushing me and checking up on me.
> Of course, this was a long time ago and I didn't know
> much about religion, AA, AA's agenda or alcoholism. Now
> days, if you join AA, people automatically assume that
> you've been put in there by a judge/and/or probation
> officer. But, at the time, I took it very seriously and
> apologized to everyone who's feelings I's hurt in some
> way. Everyone thought that I'd completely lost my mind.
> And for a while, I'd lost my sense of humor about everything,
> not because of the abstinence, but, by my "self inventory"
> and self administered destruction of my own ego. I could
> never drink fully enjoyably again, yet, I have either out
> of spite or boredom or just generally being pissed off about
> my health and lot in life.
>

Well my ego has been crushed by events of my former life so smashing it
further won' be helpful. if anything it needs lifting. I did step 4 and it
did help me find out things sbout myself but i can't say it's helped me stay
off the booze. When i went to AA no onde treated me like i was sent there by
a judhe but then it was a saturday meeting and everyone there treats
everyone else like a good friend.
>
> > > --
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Jesus: BRB
> > > Judas: LOL!
> > > "We smash radios on the floor and grind
> > > toothbrushes on cinderblock walls to see
> > > how easily they can be made into shanks.
> > > All of our hygiene products are screened
> > > for pork and other animal products to
> > > minimize conflicts with the practice of
> > > religious beliefs." - the price is wrong
> > > http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/
> > > http://www.geocities.com/woogawooga99
> >
> >
> >
>
> --
>
> --
>
> Jesus: BRB
> Judas: LOL!
> "We smash radios on the floor and grind
> toothbrushes on cinderblock walls to see
> how easily they can be made into shanks.
> All of our hygiene products are screened
> for pork and other animal products to
> minimize conflicts with the practice of
> religious beliefs." - the price is wrong
> http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/
> http://www.geocities.com/woogawooga99
>
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