NutSoFast@hotmail.com wrote:

> On 13-Jun-2005, Ken Ragge <ken@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>I'm really delighted to see a grouper respond so cogently when
>>confronted with criticism of the group.
>
>
> Which grouper might you be referring to? You shouldn't resort
> to name-calling... it debases you and your cause.

You think using the word grouper is name calling? Do you, like most
members, know absolutely nothing about where and who your group comes
from?

The word "grouper" was used by Bill Wilson, Bob Smith, Lois Wilson and
the other early AA members.

You might put up a better defense if you had a clue what you were
talking about.

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com

On 13-Jun-2005, Ken Ragge <ken@nospam.com> wrote:

> You might put up a better defense if you had a clue what you were
> talking about.

When have I identified myself as a member of AA?

--
NutSo (aka CW aka C Dub)

Robert McGregor <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
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> "stuart" <fred@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:z2hre.50628$HI.23516@edtnps84
> > kohlrabi_croce <kohlrabi_croce@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:1118641198.902015.57870@g44g2000cwa.googlegro ups.com...
> >> Ken,
> >>
> >> Makes sense to me. Wow, those people are rabid. Somebody even
> >> told me to stuff cotton down my throat, and somebody else told me
> >> that they know better than I do, what advice is good for me.
> >>
> >> Fuck a bunch of that! ( from a poem which got us all kicked out
> >> of a major chain booskstore)
> >
> > What message are you responding to? If it's mine, the I will tell
> > you I have absolutely nothing against Ken's ideas, in fact they
> > are good ideas.
>
> Yeah, those AA nazis are truly Hitler Youth, gone geriatric!
>
> Bob

We can choose to live and hold any ideas we like Bob. Got nothing against
them either. I see them all the time at meetings.

Ken Ragge <ken@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> NutSoFast@hotmail.com wrote:
> > On 13-Jun-2005, Ken Ragge <ken@nospam.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Actually, that is exactly what recovery is about. It is setting
> >>yourself up as wise guru surrounded by fawning followers.
> >>
> >>In AA, in many ways, the self doesn't exist, "God relieve me of the
> >>bondage of self." When one is a borg, an attack on the collective is
> >>seen as an attack by all the assimilated entities.
> >
> >
> > Anyone who quotes Star Trek scenarios is worth emulating...
> > So lead on Ken. I think I'm gonna follow you around
> > for awhile! <b (vapid) n>
> >
>
> NutSoFast,
>
> I'm really delighted to see a grouper respond so cogently when
> confronted with criticism of the group.
>
> Not only do you focus your attention on an analogy, I'll bet you can
> find spelling and gramatical errors.


That's the strange part, Ken. Of all of the intial responders to the
original post who agreed wholeheartedly with you, not one of them had ANY
spelling or grammatical errors. In fact, the literary style was highly
similar, ie very professional, like the author of a book or something.
Ever watch those infomercials on TV, where the "customer" steps in to
endorse the product. Kinda looked like that Ken. You might be able to pull
that stunt in front of many XA members, but not all of us came from skid row
or prison with a sixth grade education.







Maybe you also have some choice
> names to call. Nothing like confronting the really tough, important
> issues like coercion and lying about being a relgion.
>
> Rare is the grouper who can do more than mouth "principles before
> personalities."
>
> Ken Ragge
> http://www.morerevealed.com
>
>
>

Robert, what do you think of a sober alcoholic who attends meetings but
still enjoys a puff of good BC bud? You should try it, you might mellow out
a bit. Contrary to what others may say it does not lead back to drinking. I
have proved it.
Jim
"Dan McGown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:42adaabc_1@news.iprimus.com.au...
>> "Dan McGown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
>> news:1PKdnSn5RMJ3PjDfRVn-vw@adelphia.com
>>> Bob,
>>> I try to remain civil with you but your neverending
>>> belligerence is unspeakably tiresome.
>>
>> Thank GodHP® for that!
>>
>> Bob.
>
> For which? That I'm remaining civil or that you're unspeakably tiresome?
>

stuart wrote:

> Ken Ragge <ken@nospam.com> wrote in message
> news:jpudnfV0av7_JTDfRVn-gg@comcast.com...
>
>>NutSoFast@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>>On 13-Jun-2005, Ken Ragge <ken@nospam.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Actually, that is exactly what recovery is about. It is setting
>>>>yourself up as wise guru surrounded by fawning followers.
>>>>
>>>>In AA, in many ways, the self doesn't exist, "God relieve me of the
>>>>bondage of self." When one is a borg, an attack on the collective is
>>>>seen as an attack by all the assimilated entities.
>>>
>>>
>>>Anyone who quotes Star Trek scenarios is worth emulating...
>>>So lead on Ken. I think I'm gonna follow you around
>>>for awhile! <b (vapid) n>
>>>
>>NutSoFast,
>>
>>I'm really delighted to see a grouper respond so cogently when
>>confronted with criticism of the group.
>>
>>Not only do you focus your attention on an analogy, I'll bet you can
>>find spelling and gramatical errors.
>
>
>
> That's the strange part, Ken. Of all of the intial responders to the
> original post who agreed wholeheartedly with you, not one of them had ANY
> spelling or grammatical errors. In fact, the literary style was highly
> similar, ie very professional, like the author of a book or something.
> Ever watch those infomercials on TV, where the "customer" steps in to
> endorse the product. Kinda looked like that Ken. You might be able to pull
> that stunt in front of many XA members, but not all of us came from skid row
> or prison with a sixth grade education.

I appreciate your attempt at flattery, but according to the
professionals including the last editor of "More Revealed," I have lousy
grammer. Even so . . .

Have you never heard, "No one is too stupid to get the program but many
are too smart?" Have you considered the possibility that some of the
ones who were too smart to "get it" were the ones responding?

In any case, I'm glad it is not my job to keep Steppers honest, to keep
them from endlessly repeating inane accustions.

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com

NutSoFast@hotmail.com wrote:

> On 13-Jun-2005, Ken Ragge <ken@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>
>>You might put up a better defense if you had a clue what you were
>>talking about.
>
>
> When have I identified myself as a member of AA?
>

What does it matter? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc.
.. . .

Remember Virtualoso? He's not a member too.

Ken Ragge
http://www.morerevealed.com

<NutSoFast@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:PXjre.837$fV.501@okepread06...
>
> On 13-Jun-2005, Ken Ragge <ken@nospam.com> wrote:
>
> > You might put up a better defense if you had a clue what you were
> > talking about.
>
> When have I identified myself as a member of AA?

Fact is, you haven't.
This Ken Ragge would appear to be someone with an agenda. This type of
newsgroup offers some free advertising. I suspect he's selling tapes, or a
book or something.
Unfortunately for him, the biggest reason of all that XA wins recovering
addicts to about a trillion to one is that XA is not for profit, and is
free, apart from passing the basket at meetings for voluntary donations

>
> --
> NutSo (aka CW aka C Dub)

On 13-Jun-2005, Ken Ragge <ken@nospam.com> wrote:

> What does it matter? If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck, etc.

....and so I'm a member of AA when you say I am?
Don't I have a say-so?

--
NutSo (aka CW aka C Dub)

"They talk of my drinking but never
my thirst" - Scottish Proverb

Ken Ragge <ken@nospam.com> wrote in message
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> stuart wrote:
>
> > Ken Ragge <ken@nospam.com> wrote in message
> > news:jpudnfV0av7_JTDfRVn-gg@comcast.com...
> >
> >>NutSoFast@hotmail.com wrote:
> >>
> >>>On 13-Jun-2005, Ken Ragge <ken@nospam.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Actually, that is exactly what recovery is about. It is setting
> >>>>yourself up as wise guru surrounded by fawning followers.
> >>>>
> >>>>In AA, in many ways, the self doesn't exist, "God relieve me of the
> >>>>bondage of self." When one is a borg, an attack on the collective is
> >>>>seen as an attack by all the assimilated entities.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>Anyone who quotes Star Trek scenarios is worth emulating...
> >>>So lead on Ken. I think I'm gonna follow you around
> >>>for awhile! <b (vapid) n>
> >>>
> >>NutSoFast,
> >>
> >>I'm really delighted to see a grouper respond so cogently when
> >>confronted with criticism of the group.
> >>
> >>Not only do you focus your attention on an analogy, I'll bet you can
> >>find spelling and gramatical errors.
> >
> >
> >
> > That's the strange part, Ken. Of all of the intial responders to the
> > original post who agreed wholeheartedly with you, not one of them had
ANY
> > spelling or grammatical errors. In fact, the literary style was highly
> > similar, ie very professional, like the author of a book or something.
> > Ever watch those infomercials on TV, where the "customer" steps in to
> > endorse the product. Kinda looked like that Ken. You might be able to
pull
> > that stunt in front of many XA members, but not all of us came from skid
row
> > or prison with a sixth grade education.
>
> I appreciate your attempt at flattery, but according to the
> professionals including the last editor of "More Revealed," I have lousy
> grammer. Even so . . .

I wasn't complimenting your grammar, Ken. I was describing it. It was pretty
much error free, but more importatntly, "both" posters used identical
sentence structure and spelling.

There are often repeated errors in spelling, Ken, not to mention different
versions of English ie American, British and Canadian.
Hate to say so, but you got caught on this one.

I wouldn't push back, to spare yourself any further embarrasment.

>
> Have you never heard, "No one is too stupid to get the program but many
> are too smart?" Have you considered the possibility that some of the
> ones who were too smart to "get it" were the ones responding?
>
> In any case, I'm glad it is not my job to keep Steppers honest, to keep
> them from endlessly repeating inane accustions.
>
> Ken Ragge
> http://www.morerevealed.com