Letter in the Sunday Times !2 June 2005

Letters: Chilled choice



I have never been so thrilled and encouraged by a newspaper article as
I was by Conquering the demon drink (Ecosse, last week), about Lilian
and Murdoch MacDonald's troubles with alcohol and their book on the
subject, Phoenix in a Bottle. They must be applauded for publishing a
book on alcoholism at all, since I know from personal experience that
it is considered somehow not cricket for alcoholics to have the
temerity to bring the subject up, let alone to do so in a very public
domain.
I discovered how similar the MacDonalds's experience is to my own. I
am not unique, it seems, and I am willing to wager that others will
share my immense relief in this. While I avoided the AA experience I,
too, encountered raised eyebrows when I insisted that the odd wine
would not necessarily make me grow a second head or chew the coffee
table. It is indeed correct to point out that this is a course
requiring great caution. But the MacDonalds are entirely right, I now
know, in proposing that an entire and eternal prohibition on any
alcohol is far more daunting and socially inhibiting than the
indulgence in a chilled Muscadet on an appropriate occasion.



The MacDonalds are right - the AA is fine for some but, vitally,
there are choices.



Jim McDonald, Dunblane

Read the letter online at:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...651233,00.html



Text of the original article:

Conquering the demon drink

For Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald, rejecting Alcoholics Anonymous's
message of abstention was the first step on the long road to recovery



When you see an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting portrayed in a film or on
television, the hero or heroine stands up and says: "My name's Bill
and I'm an alcoholic." Then it fades out to lush music and you
don't know what happens next. Well, we attended AA meetings on and
off for 20 or so years. We met at an AA meeting. It is pretty much the
only option available to people with a drink problem. We are convinced
that what happens after the music fades away does not help everybody.

AA's programme starts from the premise that alcoholism is an
incurable illness, that alcoholics have a mental and physical allergy
to booze, and that they are different from others. Their solution is to
label you an alcoholic for life, browbeat you into accepting the label
and insist that you give up drinking - they call it staying sober -
for ever. It's not sobriety they demand, it's abstinence.

After decades spent trying and failing the AA way, it is plain to us
that alcoholism is not a disease and is not incurable. It's a
behavioural problem, a self-harming problem. We are no longer
alcoholics. We got to the root of why we drank to excess and then
rebuilt our lives. Now we can even enjoy a glass of wine with a meal.

Alcoholics Anonymous started in the 1930s as an evangelical,
non-denominational Christian sect. It says now that it's not a
religious organisation, yet out of the famous "12 steps", six
mention God. The Black Book - the bible of the AA movement -
hasn't changed in 70 years. You are not allowed to say the book is
wrong, or to question it in any way. You may ask questions, but only as
though you are consulting the oracle. There are large group sessions
devoted to discussing how wonderful it is. You are never to stop
reading and rereading it. From the beginning, we both felt this was
wrong. For us, lifelong sobriety - the ultimate goal of AA members
- is not recovery. It's a damage limitation exercise.

There is no easy way to escape the clutches of the bottle. We met at AA
in Ayr, in 1993. Three years later we eloped. Our honeymoon was a
£5,000 whisky bender. We moved to Cambridge, where Murdoch planned to
start a PhD. But our landlady threw us out after a drunken binge and we
were reduced to begging on the streets. That was our lowest point,
living rough amid the glittering spires where Murdoch had been an
undergraduate; no money for food or booze, wondering where we could go
from there. One night two nurses found us huddled on a park bench. They
took pity on us, bought us a cup of tea and found us a place in a
hostel.

>From there, we began rebuilding our lives. We started writing our life
stories, trying to figure out what was causing our self-destructive
drinking. Going back to our childhoods, tracing the roots of my
anorexia and Murdoch's difficult relationship with his cold, distant
father helped us to see why we had turned to the bottle. We spent a
year figuring it all out while selling newspapers, saving money and
planning a return to Ayr. We wanted to come back reasonably
respectfully, with our drinking under control.

We had to believe in ourselves, and in each other. We had no other
friends. All doors were closed to us, nobody wanted to know, and
that's a hell of a place to be. Murdoch still does not see his two
children from his first marriage. At this point I was still speaking to
my son and daughter, our only family ties.

It was Elaine, my daughter, who arranged for us to come back to Ayr. We
moved into a rented flat and took whatever work we could find:
door-to-door market research around the suburban fringes of Paisley
with no car, no shelter, no toilet.

Slowly, things fell into place. I got up one morning and said
'Wow!'. It was as if a veil had fallen from my eyes. At last I
realised why I had been behaving like this. We took on a jobshare with
a small charity, then gradually Murdoch resumed his career as a
financial journalist and PR man that had fallen by the wayside. At
first he wrote a column for the Ayrshire Post, then edited a new paper,
Scottish Recruitment. It wasn't grandly paid, but it was better to be
writing for newspapers than selling them. Our life together, which had
always been defined by drinking, was becoming normal at last. We had to
relearn how to mix with people. After years on the margins it was very
strange to be invited anywhere, to be socially included. To be treated
with a bit of respect.

Today we have a great relationship with my son, John, 44, and are very
close to Elaine, 39. She was wary the first time she saw us drinking
- the AA message is so strong - but when we explained what we were
doing, it made sense. She soon realised it was fine. It means she can
come down on a Friday night, bring a bottle of wine and relax with us.
She has been very supportive.

Now, after seven years of hard labour, we have finally published our
book. We really believe that our own struggle would have been so much
quicker, and less painful, if we could have read a book like it. At the
time, we did not know another soul who had been through what we were
going through.

It wasn't until we came through the other end that we discovered that
the first doubts about AA's methods were voiced by the addiction
expert Dr Stanton Peele as early as 1964. We were delighted when he
agreed to read our book and described it as "a wonderful love story
and a challenge to conventional wisdom about how people can recover
from drinking problems".

So far we have found 12 psychiatrists, psychologists or clinics in
America that agree with our theory that alcoholism is a behavioural
problem and that it is possible to recover and drink in a controlled
way. At the same time, however, law courts are, in many US states,
including compulsory AA sessions in the sentences for drink-related
offences.

Another thing that alarms us is the way the AA 12-step plan has crept
into the private sector. One of the only good things about AA is that
it is free to whomever wants to attend. But now private clinics are
piggybacking onto AA, taking the programme and selling it back at
£3,000 a week for a six-week course. And then the NHS, unable or
unwilling to deal with the whole problem of alcoholism, sends a
percentage of its patients on these six-week courses. Who pays for
this? Us. If AA works for you, if you want to give up drinking for
life, that's fine. We are not telling anyone what they should or
should not do. But we do want to start a debate and open up choices.

Phoenix in a Bottle, by Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald is published by
Melrose Books, £16.99

Lilian and Murdoch's website:
http://www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com

Read the original article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFr...639433,00.html

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BUY OUR NEW BOOK "PHOENIX IN A BOTTLE".....

Our new book "Phoenix in a Bottle" by Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald,
describing how we overcame alcoholism and are now able to drink
responsibly again, was published on 31 May 2005 by Melrose Books price
£16.99 and is now available worldwide.

You can buy online now direct from the publishers Melrose Books
www.melrosebooks.com, for immediate delivery.

CLICK HERE

Or purchase from any of these online bookstores. Just click on the name
of your preferred bookstore:

Amazon.co.uk
Tesco
Blackwell's
WH Smith
The Book Place

You can find the lowest price currently available online.

CLICK HERE

"Phoenix in a Bottle" by Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald was
published on 31 May 2005 by Melrose Books, price £16.99. It is
available through good bookshops or online direct from the publishers
by logging on to http://www.melrosebooks.com.

It is also available from http://www.amazon.co.uk

ISBN: 1905226144

Web address to buy "Phoenix in a Bottle":
http://www.melrosebooks.com/detail.php?isbn=1905226144


http://www.famepublicity.co.uk

Oh yes, when I tried the experiment of controlled drinking ot went so well,
I had another.

The authors of THIS book for sale were not alcoholics, they were problem
drinkers, pure and simple.
For an alcoholic, this is comparable to a smoker who quits to have "the
occasional cigarette". A very stupid idea.




<alcocure@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1118586167.640597.21600@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
Letter in the Sunday Times !2 June 2005

Letters: Chilled choice



I have never been so thrilled and encouraged by a newspaper article as
I was by Conquering the demon drink (Ecosse, last week), about Lilian
and Murdoch MacDonald's troubles with alcohol and their book on the
subject, Phoenix in a Bottle. They must be applauded for publishing a
book on alcoholism at all, since I know from personal experience that
it is considered somehow not cricket for alcoholics to have the
temerity to bring the subject up, let alone to do so in a very public
domain.
I discovered how similar the MacDonalds's experience is to my own. I
am not unique, it seems, and I am willing to wager that others will
share my immense relief in this. While I avoided the AA experience I,
too, encountered raised eyebrows when I insisted that the odd wine
would not necessarily make me grow a second head or chew the coffee
table. It is indeed correct to point out that this is a course
requiring great caution. But the MacDonalds are entirely right, I now
know, in proposing that an entire and eternal prohibition on any
alcohol is far more daunting and socially inhibiting than the
indulgence in a chilled Muscadet on an appropriate occasion.



The MacDonalds are right - the AA is fine for some but, vitally,
there are choices.



Jim McDonald, Dunblane

Read the letter online at:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...651233,00.html



Text of the original article:

Conquering the demon drink

For Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald, rejecting Alcoholics Anonymous's
message of abstention was the first step on the long road to recovery



When you see an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting portrayed in a film or on
television, the hero or heroine stands up and says: "My name's Bill
and I'm an alcoholic." Then it fades out to lush music and you
don't know what happens next. Well, we attended AA meetings on and
off for 20 or so years. We met at an AA meeting. It is pretty much the
only option available to people with a drink problem. We are convinced
that what happens after the music fades away does not help everybody.

AA's programme starts from the premise that alcoholism is an
incurable illness, that alcoholics have a mental and physical allergy
to booze, and that they are different from others. Their solution is to
label you an alcoholic for life, browbeat you into accepting the label
and insist that you give up drinking - they call it staying sober -
for ever. It's not sobriety they demand, it's abstinence.

After decades spent trying and failing the AA way, it is plain to us
that alcoholism is not a disease and is not incurable. It's a
behavioural problem, a self-harming problem. We are no longer
alcoholics. We got to the root of why we drank to excess and then
rebuilt our lives. Now we can even enjoy a glass of wine with a meal.

Alcoholics Anonymous started in the 1930s as an evangelical,
non-denominational Christian sect. It says now that it's not a
religious organisation, yet out of the famous "12 steps", six
mention God. The Black Book - the bible of the AA movement -
hasn't changed in 70 years. You are not allowed to say the book is
wrong, or to question it in any way. You may ask questions, but only as
though you are consulting the oracle. There are large group sessions
devoted to discussing how wonderful it is. You are never to stop
reading and rereading it. From the beginning, we both felt this was
wrong. For us, lifelong sobriety - the ultimate goal of AA members
- is not recovery. It's a damage limitation exercise.

There is no easy way to escape the clutches of the bottle. We met at AA
in Ayr, in 1993. Three years later we eloped. Our honeymoon was a
£5,000 whisky bender. We moved to Cambridge, where Murdoch planned to
start a PhD. But our landlady threw us out after a drunken binge and we
were reduced to begging on the streets. That was our lowest point,
living rough amid the glittering spires where Murdoch had been an
undergraduate; no money for food or booze, wondering where we could go
from there. One night two nurses found us huddled on a park bench. They
took pity on us, bought us a cup of tea and found us a place in a
hostel.

>From there, we began rebuilding our lives. We started writing our life
stories, trying to figure out what was causing our self-destructive
drinking. Going back to our childhoods, tracing the roots of my
anorexia and Murdoch's difficult relationship with his cold, distant
father helped us to see why we had turned to the bottle. We spent a
year figuring it all out while selling newspapers, saving money and
planning a return to Ayr. We wanted to come back reasonably
respectfully, with our drinking under control.

We had to believe in ourselves, and in each other. We had no other
friends. All doors were closed to us, nobody wanted to know, and
that's a hell of a place to be. Murdoch still does not see his two
children from his first marriage. At this point I was still speaking to
my son and daughter, our only family ties.

It was Elaine, my daughter, who arranged for us to come back to Ayr. We
moved into a rented flat and took whatever work we could find:
door-to-door market research around the suburban fringes of Paisley
with no car, no shelter, no toilet.

Slowly, things fell into place. I got up one morning and said
'Wow!'. It was as if a veil had fallen from my eyes. At last I
realised why I had been behaving like this. We took on a jobshare with
a small charity, then gradually Murdoch resumed his career as a
financial journalist and PR man that had fallen by the wayside. At
first he wrote a column for the Ayrshire Post, then edited a new paper,
Scottish Recruitment. It wasn't grandly paid, but it was better to be
writing for newspapers than selling them. Our life together, which had
always been defined by drinking, was becoming normal at last. We had to
relearn how to mix with people. After years on the margins it was very
strange to be invited anywhere, to be socially included. To be treated
with a bit of respect.

Today we have a great relationship with my son, John, 44, and are very
close to Elaine, 39. She was wary the first time she saw us drinking
- the AA message is so strong - but when we explained what we were
doing, it made sense. She soon realised it was fine. It means she can
come down on a Friday night, bring a bottle of wine and relax with us.
She has been very supportive.

Now, after seven years of hard labour, we have finally published our
book. We really believe that our own struggle would have been so much
quicker, and less painful, if we could have read a book like it. At the
time, we did not know another soul who had been through what we were
going through.

It wasn't until we came through the other end that we discovered that
the first doubts about AA's methods were voiced by the addiction
expert Dr Stanton Peele as early as 1964. We were delighted when he
agreed to read our book and described it as "a wonderful love story
and a challenge to conventional wisdom about how people can recover
from drinking problems".

So far we have found 12 psychiatrists, psychologists or clinics in
America that agree with our theory that alcoholism is a behavioural
problem and that it is possible to recover and drink in a controlled
way. At the same time, however, law courts are, in many US states,
including compulsory AA sessions in the sentences for drink-related
offences.

Another thing that alarms us is the way the AA 12-step plan has crept
into the private sector. One of the only good things about AA is that
it is free to whomever wants to attend. But now private clinics are
piggybacking onto AA, taking the programme and selling it back at
£3,000 a week for a six-week course. And then the NHS, unable or
unwilling to deal with the whole problem of alcoholism, sends a
percentage of its patients on these six-week courses. Who pays for
this? Us. If AA works for you, if you want to give up drinking for
life, that's fine. We are not telling anyone what they should or
should not do. But we do want to start a debate and open up choices.

Phoenix in a Bottle, by Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald is published by
Melrose Books, £16.99

Lilian and Murdoch's website:
http://www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com

Read the original article:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFr...639433,00.html

IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BUY OUR NEW BOOK "PHOENIX IN A BOTTLE".....

Our new book "Phoenix in a Bottle" by Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald,
describing how we overcame alcoholism and are now able to drink
responsibly again, was published on 31 May 2005 by Melrose Books price
£16.99 and is now available worldwide.

You can buy online now direct from the publishers Melrose Books
www.melrosebooks.com, for immediate delivery.

CLICK HERE

Or purchase from any of these online bookstores. Just click on the name
of your preferred bookstore:

Amazon.co.uk
Tesco
Blackwell's
WH Smith
The Book Place

You can find the lowest price currently available online.

CLICK HERE

"Phoenix in a Bottle" by Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald was
published on 31 May 2005 by Melrose Books, price £16.99. It is
available through good bookshops or online direct from the publishers
by logging on to http://www.melrosebooks.com.

It is also available from http://www.amazon.co.uk

ISBN: 1905226144

Web address to buy "Phoenix in a Bottle":
http://www.melrosebooks.com/detail.php?isbn=1905226144


http://www.famepublicity.co.uk

stuart wrote:
> Oh yes, when I tried the experiment of controlled drinking ot went so well,
> I had another.
>
> The authors of THIS book for sale were not alcoholics, they were problem
> drinkers, pure and simple.
> For an alcoholic, this is comparable to a smoker who quits to have "the
> occasional cigarette". A very stupid idea.
>
>
>
>
>I reckon that is spot on in my book ....as i gave up smoking 2 months
ago and hence then gave up booze and now miss out on the two.
But 1 ciggy is ok so now im back on 20 a day.

"stuart" <fred@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:wfYqe.46496$on1.6659@clgrps13...
> Oh yes, when I tried the experiment of controlled drinking ot went so
well,
> I had another.
>
> The authors of THIS book for sale were not alcoholics, they were problem
> drinkers, pure and simple.
> For an alcoholic, this is comparable to a smoker who quits to have "the
> occasional cigarette". A very stupid idea.
>
>

I do not know if the Murdoch's are/were alcoholics or not. I do find it
curious that they advertise that by following their procedure/program one
will be able to drink like a "normal" person. I find this intriguing
because for long before I developed into the clinical definition of an
alcoholic, I had no desire to drink like a normal people. Even today, I
have no desire to drink like normal people. Although I no longer crave
alcohol as I once did, I am confident that if I do drink, even with all the
self-knowledge gained and alcohol/alcoholism education provided, I still
have no desire to drink like normal people drink.

If you have a desire to drink like "normal" people then perhaps this is
program you should try; however, if you are like me and retain no desire to
drink "normally," then I would caution against this program.

Bobby L


>
>
> <alcocure@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1118586167.640597.21600@z14g2000cwz.googlegro ups.com...
> Letter in the Sunday Times !2 June 2005
>
> Letters: Chilled choice
>
>
>
> I have never been so thrilled and encouraged by a newspaper article as
> I was by Conquering the demon drink (Ecosse, last week), about Lilian
> and Murdoch MacDonald's troubles with alcohol and their book on the
> subject, Phoenix in a Bottle. They must be applauded for publishing a
> book on alcoholism at all, since I know from personal experience that
> it is considered somehow not cricket for alcoholics to have the
> temerity to bring the subject up, let alone to do so in a very public
> domain.
> I discovered how similar the MacDonalds's experience is to my own. I
> am not unique, it seems, and I am willing to wager that others will
> share my immense relief in this. While I avoided the AA experience I,
> too, encountered raised eyebrows when I insisted that the odd wine
> would not necessarily make me grow a second head or chew the coffee
> table. It is indeed correct to point out that this is a course
> requiring great caution. But the MacDonalds are entirely right, I now
> know, in proposing that an entire and eternal prohibition on any
> alcohol is far more daunting and socially inhibiting than the
> indulgence in a chilled Muscadet on an appropriate occasion.
>
>
>
> The MacDonalds are right - the AA is fine for some but, vitally,
> there are choices.
>
>
>
> Jim McDonald, Dunblane
>
> Read the letter online at:
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article...651233,00.html
>
>
>
> Text of the original article:
>
> Conquering the demon drink
>
> For Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald, rejecting Alcoholics Anonymous's
> message of abstention was the first step on the long road to recovery
>
>
>
> When you see an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting portrayed in a film or on
> television, the hero or heroine stands up and says: "My name's Bill
> and I'm an alcoholic." Then it fades out to lush music and you
> don't know what happens next. Well, we attended AA meetings on and
> off for 20 or so years. We met at an AA meeting. It is pretty much the
> only option available to people with a drink problem. We are convinced
> that what happens after the music fades away does not help everybody.
>
> AA's programme starts from the premise that alcoholism is an
> incurable illness, that alcoholics have a mental and physical allergy
> to booze, and that they are different from others. Their solution is to
> label you an alcoholic for life, browbeat you into accepting the label
> and insist that you give up drinking - they call it staying sober -
> for ever. It's not sobriety they demand, it's abstinence.
>
> After decades spent trying and failing the AA way, it is plain to us
> that alcoholism is not a disease and is not incurable. It's a
> behavioural problem, a self-harming problem. We are no longer
> alcoholics. We got to the root of why we drank to excess and then
> rebuilt our lives. Now we can even enjoy a glass of wine with a meal.
>
> Alcoholics Anonymous started in the 1930s as an evangelical,
> non-denominational Christian sect. It says now that it's not a
> religious organisation, yet out of the famous "12 steps", six
> mention God. The Black Book - the bible of the AA movement -
> hasn't changed in 70 years. You are not allowed to say the book is
> wrong, or to question it in any way. You may ask questions, but only as
> though you are consulting the oracle. There are large group sessions
> devoted to discussing how wonderful it is. You are never to stop
> reading and rereading it. From the beginning, we both felt this was
> wrong. For us, lifelong sobriety - the ultimate goal of AA members
> - is not recovery. It's a damage limitation exercise.
>
> There is no easy way to escape the clutches of the bottle. We met at AA
> in Ayr, in 1993. Three years later we eloped. Our honeymoon was a
> £5,000 whisky bender. We moved to Cambridge, where Murdoch planned to
> start a PhD. But our landlady threw us out after a drunken binge and we
> were reduced to begging on the streets. That was our lowest point,
> living rough amid the glittering spires where Murdoch had been an
> undergraduate; no money for food or booze, wondering where we could go
> from there. One night two nurses found us huddled on a park bench. They
> took pity on us, bought us a cup of tea and found us a place in a
> hostel.
>
> >From there, we began rebuilding our lives. We started writing our life
> stories, trying to figure out what was causing our self-destructive
> drinking. Going back to our childhoods, tracing the roots of my
> anorexia and Murdoch's difficult relationship with his cold, distant
> father helped us to see why we had turned to the bottle. We spent a
> year figuring it all out while selling newspapers, saving money and
> planning a return to Ayr. We wanted to come back reasonably
> respectfully, with our drinking under control.
>
> We had to believe in ourselves, and in each other. We had no other
> friends. All doors were closed to us, nobody wanted to know, and
> that's a hell of a place to be. Murdoch still does not see his two
> children from his first marriage. At this point I was still speaking to
> my son and daughter, our only family ties.
>
> It was Elaine, my daughter, who arranged for us to come back to Ayr. We
> moved into a rented flat and took whatever work we could find:
> door-to-door market research around the suburban fringes of Paisley
> with no car, no shelter, no toilet.
>
> Slowly, things fell into place. I got up one morning and said
> 'Wow!'. It was as if a veil had fallen from my eyes. At last I
> realised why I had been behaving like this. We took on a jobshare with
> a small charity, then gradually Murdoch resumed his career as a
> financial journalist and PR man that had fallen by the wayside. At
> first he wrote a column for the Ayrshire Post, then edited a new paper,
> Scottish Recruitment. It wasn't grandly paid, but it was better to be
> writing for newspapers than selling them. Our life together, which had
> always been defined by drinking, was becoming normal at last. We had to
> relearn how to mix with people. After years on the margins it was very
> strange to be invited anywhere, to be socially included. To be treated
> with a bit of respect.
>
> Today we have a great relationship with my son, John, 44, and are very
> close to Elaine, 39. She was wary the first time she saw us drinking
> - the AA message is so strong - but when we explained what we were
> doing, it made sense. She soon realised it was fine. It means she can
> come down on a Friday night, bring a bottle of wine and relax with us.
> She has been very supportive.
>
> Now, after seven years of hard labour, we have finally published our
> book. We really believe that our own struggle would have been so much
> quicker, and less painful, if we could have read a book like it. At the
> time, we did not know another soul who had been through what we were
> going through.
>
> It wasn't until we came through the other end that we discovered that
> the first doubts about AA's methods were voiced by the addiction
> expert Dr Stanton Peele as early as 1964. We were delighted when he
> agreed to read our book and described it as "a wonderful love story
> and a challenge to conventional wisdom about how people can recover
> from drinking problems".
>
> So far we have found 12 psychiatrists, psychologists or clinics in
> America that agree with our theory that alcoholism is a behavioural
> problem and that it is possible to recover and drink in a controlled
> way. At the same time, however, law courts are, in many US states,
> including compulsory AA sessions in the sentences for drink-related
> offences.
>
> Another thing that alarms us is the way the AA 12-step plan has crept
> into the private sector. One of the only good things about AA is that
> it is free to whomever wants to attend. But now private clinics are
> piggybacking onto AA, taking the programme and selling it back at
> £3,000 a week for a six-week course. And then the NHS, unable or
> unwilling to deal with the whole problem of alcoholism, sends a
> percentage of its patients on these six-week courses. Who pays for
> this? Us. If AA works for you, if you want to give up drinking for
> life, that's fine. We are not telling anyone what they should or
> should not do. But we do want to start a debate and open up choices.
>
> Phoenix in a Bottle, by Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald is published by
> Melrose Books, £16.99
>
> Lilian and Murdoch's website:
> http://www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com
>
> Read the original article:
> http://www.timesonline.co.uk/printFr...639433,00.html
>
> IF YOU WOULD LIKE TO BUY OUR NEW BOOK "PHOENIX IN A BOTTLE".....
>
> Our new book "Phoenix in a Bottle" by Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald,
> describing how we overcame alcoholism and are now able to drink
> responsibly again, was published on 31 May 2005 by Melrose Books price
> £16.99 and is now available worldwide.
>
> You can buy online now direct from the publishers Melrose Books
> www.melrosebooks.com, for immediate delivery.
>
> CLICK HERE
>
> Or purchase from any of these online bookstores. Just click on the name
> of your preferred bookstore:
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> Amazon.co.uk
> Tesco
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> You can find the lowest price currently available online.
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> "Phoenix in a Bottle" by Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald was
> published on 31 May 2005 by Melrose Books, price £16.99. It is
> available through good bookshops or online direct from the publishers
> by logging on to http://www.melrosebooks.com.
>
> It is also available from http://www.amazon.co.uk
>
> ISBN: 1905226144
>
> Web address to buy "Phoenix in a Bottle":
> http://www.melrosebooks.com/detail.php?isbn=1905226144
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