"Why all this insistence that AA's must hit bottom first?"... 12X12

Because the average rationalizing, self-centred alcoholic will do VERY
LITTLE to practice the AA principles unless he/she has hit bottom first.. If
anyone wants to poke fun at someone else poking fun at the irrational
thinking processes of the practicing alcoholic, I say three words..Jails,
Institutions, Death. That's where we end up.

Here we got a guy who can't/won't get his ass to a meeting because of his
"nerves". This same guy said he almost got "caught" drinking and driving. As
if his biggest problem would have been getting "caught'
selfish/sel-centred attitude.

I have had the wonderful experience of visiting a friend, a practicing
alcoholic. I him dead on his toilet, with a beer on the bathroom counter,
half finished. He had been dead for a week or so, and had shit his
underpants when he died.

I do not pull punches to coddle those who are spouting stupidity..

In article <Gzh1e.77545$ZO2.52834@edtnps84>, ggo@feds.org says...
> "Why all this insistence that AA's must hit bottom first?"... 12X12
>
> Because the average rationalizing, self-centred alcoholic will do VERY
> LITTLE to practice the AA principles unless he/she has hit bottom first.. If
> anyone wants to poke fun at someone else poking fun at the irrational
> thinking processes of the practicing alcoholic, I say three words..Jails,
> Institutions, Death. That's where we end up.
>
That's where Everyone ends up, drunk or no drunk.


Oh, about the "getting caught"? As a former career
criminal, I can tell you, "don't do the time if
you can't do the crime!" And that's the name of
That tune.

--
"don't ya worry, we'll all float on alright" MMMMouse

http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/
http://www.geocities.com/woogawooga99

"Scott W." <scottwx897@msn.xxx> wrote in message
news:3alo5qF6ct2jaU2@individual.net...
> In article <Gzh1e.77545$ZO2.52834@edtnps84>, ggo@feds.org says...
>> "Why all this insistence that AA's must hit bottom first?"... 12X12
>>
>> Because the average rationalizing, self-centred alcoholic will do VERY
>> LITTLE to practice the AA principles unless he/she has hit bottom first..
>> If
>> anyone wants to poke fun at someone else poking fun at the irrational
>> thinking processes of the practicing alcoholic, I say three words..Jails,
>> Institutions, Death. That's where we end up.
>>
> That's where Everyone ends up, drunk or no drunk.

But wouldn't you rather meet your demise at the hands of a jealous husband
half your age, say, just before your 100th birthday?


>
>
> Oh, about the "getting caught"? As a former career
> criminal, I can tell you, "don't do the time if
> you can't do the crime!" And that's the name of
> That tune.
>
> --
> "don't ya worry, we'll all float on alright" MMMMouse
>
> http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/
> http://www.geocities.com/woogawooga99

In article <Gzi1e.109832$fc4.91039@edtnps89>, ggo@feds.org says...
>
> "Scott W." <scottwx897@msn.xxx> wrote in message
> news:3alo5qF6ct2jaU2@individual.net...
> > In article <Gzh1e.77545$ZO2.52834@edtnps84>, ggo@feds.org says...
> >> "Why all this insistence that AA's must hit bottom first?"... 12X12
> >>
> >> Because the average rationalizing, self-centred alcoholic will do VERY
> >> LITTLE to practice the AA principles unless he/she has hit bottom first..
> >> If
> >> anyone wants to poke fun at someone else poking fun at the irrational
> >> thinking processes of the practicing alcoholic, I say three words..Jails,
> >> Institutions, Death. That's where we end up.
> >>
> > That's where Everyone ends up, drunk or no drunk.
>
> But wouldn't you rather meet your demise at the hands of a jealous husband
> half your age, say, just before your 100th birthday?
>
>
> >
> >
> > Oh, about the "getting caught"? As a former career
> > criminal, I can tell you, "don't do the time if
> > you can't do the crime!" And that's the name of
> > That tune.
> >
> > --
> > "don't ya worry, we'll all float on alright" MMMMouse
> >
> > http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/
> > http://www.geocities.com/woogawooga99
>
>
>
Ha ha! If I live past 60 you all have permission to kill me.
--
"don't ya worry, we'll all float on alright" MMMMouse

http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/
http://www.geocities.com/woogawooga99

> Oh, about the "getting caught"? As a former career
> criminal, I can tell you, "don't do the time if
> you can't do the crime!" And that's the name of
> That tune.

Hey Scott.. you've done some time havn't you???
I'm probably facing around around a year for fraud maybe 6 months... maybe
2 years I don't know..
What'a the best way to get through Jail?? Will I get fucked up the arse???
Will I be robbed for telephone cards?? or is that just TV??

Thomas

In article <3am4taF68d65eU1@individual.net>, ted_maul_is_god@yahoo.co.uk
says...
>
> > Oh, about the "getting caught"? As a former career
> > criminal, I can tell you, "don't do the time if
> > you can't do the crime!" And that's the name of
> > That tune.
>
> Hey Scott.. you've done some time havn't you???
> I'm probably facing around around a year for fraud maybe 6 months... maybe
> 2 years I don't know..
> What'a the best way to get through Jail?? Will I get fucked up the arse???
> Will I be robbed for telephone cards?? or is that just TV??
>
> Thomas
>
>
>
Well; Thomas.. "will I get assfucked?" You know, that's
a very common and --actually-- very realistic concern!
If you're serious and not joking around; I can tell
you this and probably a few other things you need to know.
Stay out of other people's business, make friends fast,
do your time don't let the time you do, and don't let
anybody push you around. But, actually, it will involve
a lot of boring shit, like, trustee work and watching
TV and sleeping. It's just another part of society. People
in prison are the same as everyone you'd normally run
into in every day existence. Only difference is, the
people that you run into in prison are people who
like to rape, pillage and steal. Self defense lessons next!
--
"don't ya worry, we'll all float on alright" MMMMouse

http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/
http://www.geocities.com/woogawooga99

> > > Oh, about the "getting caught"? As a former career
> > > criminal, I can tell you, "don't do the time if
> > > you can't do the crime!" And that's the name of
> > > That tune.
> >
> > Hey Scott.. you've done some time havn't you???
> > I'm probably facing around around a year for fraud maybe 6 months...
maybe
> > 2 years I don't know..
> > What'a the best way to get through Jail?? Will I get fucked up the
arse???
> > Will I be robbed for telephone cards?? or is that just TV??
> >
> > Thomas
> >
> >
> >
> Well; Thomas.. "will I get assfucked?" You know, that's
> a very common and --actually-- very realistic concern!
> If you're serious and not joking around; I can tell
> you this and probably a few other things you need to know.
> Stay out of other people's business, make friends fast,
> do your time don't let the time you do, and don't let
> anybody push you around. But, actually, it will involve
> a lot of boring shit, like, trustee work and watching
> TV and sleeping. It's just another part of society. People
> in prison are the same as everyone you'd normally run
> into in every day existence. Only difference is, the
> people that you run into in prison are people who
> like to rape, pillage and steal. Self defense lessons next!

1: how the fuck do you make friends???
2: How the fuck do you stop people pushing you around??
3. If I do get sentenced, what is the best way to make the most of my
time....? ie: get some more education??
also I'm degree educated... I have a slight 'posh' voice... how will that go
down??? Should I just act thick???

Thomas

In article <3am6jnF6e30ueU1@individual.net>, ted_maul_is_god@yahoo.co.uk
says...
> > > > Oh, about the "getting caught"? As a former career
> > > > criminal, I can tell you, "don't do the time if
> > > > you can't do the crime!" And that's the name of
> > > > That tune.
> > >
> > > Hey Scott.. you've done some time havn't you???
> > > I'm probably facing around around a year for fraud maybe 6 months...
> maybe
> > > 2 years I don't know..
> > > What'a the best way to get through Jail?? Will I get fucked up the
> arse???
> > > Will I be robbed for telephone cards?? or is that just TV??
> > >
> > > Thomas
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Well; Thomas.. "will I get assfucked?" You know, that's
> > a very common and --actually-- very realistic concern!
> > If you're serious and not joking around; I can tell
> > you this and probably a few other things you need to know.
> > Stay out of other people's business, make friends fast,
> > do your time don't let the time you do, and don't let
> > anybody push you around. But, actually, it will involve
> > a lot of boring shit, like, trustee work and watching
> > TV and sleeping. It's just another part of society. People
> > in prison are the same as everyone you'd normally run
> > into in every day existence. Only difference is, the
> > people that you run into in prison are people who
> > like to rape, pillage and steal. Self defense lessons next!
>
> 1: how the fuck do you make friends???

Do them favours. just kidding! If you're
an alcoholic, you won't have trouble finding
friends. And some of them can brew some pretty
decent swill! Prison is like warfare. You make
friends with the guards and cellmates. Don't
associate with the homosexuals. Just stay out
of trouble! Doing time isn't the end of the world.
It actually might do you some good! There are millions
of resources out there for the inmate. I live in a
country where a high percentage of the citizens have,
are, or will be doing time. AA is available in
prisons, so is a tremendous amount of reading
material. Books will keep you from going insane.
Exercise CONSTANTLY, even starting before you
go in.

> 2: How the fuck do you stop people pushing you around??

Kick their asses!

> 3. If I do get sentenced, what is the best way to make the most of my
> time....? ie: get some more education??
> also I'm degree educated... I have a slight 'posh' voice... how will that go
> down??? Should I just act thick???
>
Keep to yourself.

--
"don't ya worry, we'll all float on alright" MMMMouse

http://scottwitherspoon.blogspot.com/
http://www.geocities.com/woogawooga99

stuart wrote:
> "Why all this insistence that AA's must hit bottom first?"... 12X12
>
> Because the average rationalizing, self-centred alcoholic will do VERY
> LITTLE to practice the AA principles unless he/she has hit bottom
> first..
Often because it escapes our attention that we are at bottom.

>If anyone wants to poke fun at someone else poking fun at the
> irrational thinking processes of the practicing alcoholic, I say
> three words..Jails, Institutions, Death. That's where we end up.
If you don't like having the fun poked at you then don't poke fun at others!
>
> Here we got a guy who can't/won't get his ass to a meeting because of
> his "nerves". This same guy said he almost got "caught" drinking and
> driving. As if his biggest problem would have been getting "caught'
> selfish/sel-centred attitude.
Guess what, That the alcoholic attitude and guess what else. Guess what this
group is about.
>
> I have had the wonderful experience of visiting a friend, a practicing
> alcoholic. I him dead on his toilet, with a beer on the bathroom
> counter, half finished. He had been dead for a week or so, and had
> shit his underpants when he died.
So what? There are a lot of us here who have seen death at the hands of
alcohol, myself included. This Doesn't give us the right to make arsy
comments like, "Fuck off and use your head for something other than a hat
rack" Did you really think a comment like that would help?
>
> I do not pull punches to coddle those who are spouting stupidity.
And I bet you do that to newbies who for some reason you either never see
again or get stroppy with you..

--
-
Buddhists seek enlightenment. Sobriety and serenity will do for me.

> > > > > Oh, about the "getting caught"? As a former career
> > > > > criminal, I can tell you, "don't do the time if
> > > > > you can't do the crime!" And that's the name of
> > > > > That tune.
> > > >
> > > > Hey Scott.. you've done some time havn't you???
> > > > I'm probably facing around around a year for fraud maybe 6
months...
> > maybe
> > > > 2 years I don't know..
> > > > What'a the best way to get through Jail?? Will I get fucked up the
> > arse???
> > > > Will I be robbed for telephone cards?? or is that just TV??
> > > >
> > > > Thomas
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > Well; Thomas.. "will I get assfucked?" You know, that's
> > > a very common and --actually-- very realistic concern!
> > > If you're serious and not joking around; I can tell
> > > you this and probably a few other things you need to know.
> > > Stay out of other people's business, make friends fast,
> > > do your time don't let the time you do, and don't let
> > > anybody push you around. But, actually, it will involve
> > > a lot of boring shit, like, trustee work and watching
> > > TV and sleeping. It's just another part of society. People
> > > in prison are the same as everyone you'd normally run
> > > into in every day existence. Only difference is, the
> > > people that you run into in prison are people who
> > > like to rape, pillage and steal. Self defense lessons next!
> >
> > 1: how the fuck do you make friends???
>
> Do them favours. just kidding! If you're
> an alcoholic, you won't have trouble finding
> friends. And some of them can brew some pretty
> decent swill! Prison is like warfare. You make
> friends with the guards and cellmates. Don't
> associate with the homosexuals. Just stay out
> of trouble! Doing time isn't the end of the world.
> It actually might do you some good! There are millions
> of resources out there for the inmate. I live in a
> country where a high percentage of the citizens have,
> are, or will be doing time. AA is available in
> prisons, so is a tremendous amount of reading
> material. Books will keep you from going insane.
> Exercise CONSTANTLY, even starting before you
> go in.
>
> > 2: How the fuck do you stop people pushing you around??
>
> Kick their asses!
>
> > 3. If I do get sentenced, what is the best way to make the most of my
> > time....? ie: get some more education??
> > also I'm degree educated... I have a slight 'posh' voice... how will
that go
> > down??? Should I just act thick???
> >
> Keep to yourself.

I just really feel like I've hit rock bottom..
I will lose my job..
I will lose my wife once she finds out about this
I am facing some time in the nick
3 Years ago I was a succesful 28 year old earning GBP 30000 a year and a
homeowner... which I will lose now..

Correction I really have hit rock bottom.
My little scams with HM Customs and Excise to pay for my booze have really
payed off now