I suspect that the primary reason that most people come here is the same as
the primary reason that I come here: for mutual assistance, aid and comfort
in dealing with alcohol addiction and avoiding the continuing desire and
temptation to drink.

Most of us don't come here to discuss sexual orientation,
politics, narcissism other than as related to alcoholism, or personal
attacks on other participants.

As an exercise, cast a scatter diagram on the topics of the last
100 posts. How many fit the topics described by the first paragraph and how
many instead are covered by the second paragraph?

We either ought to rename the group
"alt.self.destructive.behavior" or we should try to remember what we had in
mind when we looked for this group in the first place.

On a lighter note, I made it through another weekend without
drinking and I hope that you all did the same. If everyone did, then great.
If anyone didn't, then we still just have today to deal with, and today
only.

"Dan McGown" <DMcGown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:lkSSa.800$gi.1120518@news2.news.adelphia.net. ..
> I suspect that the primary reason that most people come here is the same
as
> the primary reason that I come here: for mutual assistance, aid and
comfort
> in dealing with alcohol addiction and avoiding the continuing desire and
> temptation to drink.
>
> Most of us don't come here to discuss sexual orientation,
> politics, narcissism other than as related to alcoholism, or personal
> attacks on other participants.
>
> As an exercise, cast a scatter diagram on the topics of the
last
> 100 posts. How many fit the topics described by the first paragraph and
how
> many instead are covered by the second paragraph?
>
> We either ought to rename the group
> "alt.self.destructive.behavior" or we should try to remember what we had
in
> mind when we looked for this group in the first place.
>
> On a lighter note, I made it through another weekend without
> drinking and I hope that you all did the same. If everyone did, then
great.
> If anyone didn't, then we still just have today to deal with, and today
> only.
>
>

Hi Dan. Totally agree.
My weekend was great. My husband and I went to an eat and speak meetings.
Mexican food was great. The speaker on Saturday night was a lady who had
seven years sobriety. Her story kept everyone's attention. Most of the
people there knew her and what she had been through and watched her sober up
all those years. Towards the last of her story, after she had gotten sober,
her grand-daughter was kidnapped, raped and murdered at age 9. It happened
in the county here where I live. We haven't lived here long enough to ever
have heard about it. Anyway, her story was really touching. We got home that
night and settled down to watch some TV and put the TV on Discovery channel.
We were watching something about murders. We could not believe that the
murder they were talking about was of this little girl of whom we had just
heard her grandmother talk of. After seeing that on the TV, made us
appreciate her story and her even more.
Best,
Gail

My lord, what a story! It's amazing the things that a person can get
through without drinking when they have the right approach and the right
support. -- alomst as amazing as the small excuses we need to drink when we
lose sight of what we're doing. Sounds like a great weekend and a good
group. Good on ya.

> Hi Dan. Totally agree.
> My weekend was great. My husband and I went to an eat and speak meetings.
> Mexican food was great. The speaker on Saturday night was a lady who had
> seven years sobriety. Her story kept everyone's attention. Most of the
> people there knew her and what she had been through and watched her sober
up
> all those years. Towards the last of her story, after she had gotten
sober,
> her grand-daughter was kidnapped, raped and murdered at age 9. It happened
> in the county here where I live. We haven't lived here long enough to ever
> have heard about it. Anyway, her story was really touching. We got home
that
> night and settled down to watch some TV and put the TV on Discovery
channel.
> We were watching something about murders. We could not believe that the
> murder they were talking about was of this little girl of whom we had just
> heard her grandmother talk of. After seeing that on the TV, made us
> appreciate her story and her even more.
> Best,
> Gail
>
>

"Dan McGown" <DMcGown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
news:lkSSa.800$gi.1120518@news2.news.adelphia.net. ..
> > Most of us don't come here to discuss sexual orientation,
> politics, narcissism other than as related to alcoholism, or personal
> attacks on other participants.
>
> On a lighter note, I made it through another weekend without
> drinking and I hope that you all did the same. If everyone did, then
great.
> If anyone didn't, then we still just have today to deal with, and today
> only.
>
Hi Dan,
It must be the silly season as the other group I subscribe to is awash with
cross posting, fuckwit slinging and ot stuff. However, I did try a
moderated group last year and boy was it boring! Most of the people on here
are great - stick with it. Don't let them drive you to drink!
Deb/Bubba

> On a lighter note, I made it through another weekend without
> drinking and I hope that you all did the same. If everyone did, then great.
> If anyone didn't, then we still just have today to deal with, and today
> only.
>
>

hello dan,
i'm glad to read that you make it through another weekend!
so did i!

parts of my weekend were harder than others though......................
remembering that my BEHAVIOR toward my family and others is the TRUE measure of my sobriety was of utmost importance.

little things (imo, its always the little things) like my husband spilling ice tea all over the inside of the
refrigerator what a mess!

removing myself, from the "scene of the crime", cooling down, and remembering how important it really is, on a scale of
1-10! (not)

looking forward to a productive monday!
thanks for the topic!

rosie

In message <lkSSa.800$gi.1120518@news2.news.adelphia.net>, Dan McGown
<DMcGown@adelphia.net> writes
>On a lighter note, I made it through another weekend without drinking
>and I hope that you all did the same. If everyone did, then great. If
>anyone didn't, then we still just have today to deal with, and today
>only.

I agree. My sexual orientation is as irrelevant as anyone - no idea why
it became such an issue.
--
Jonathan Bratt

On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 18:16:46 +0100, Jonathan Bratt
<jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote:

>In message <lkSSa.800$gi.1120518@news2.news.adelphia.net>, Dan McGown
><DMcGown@adelphia.net> writes
>>On a lighter note, I made it through another weekend without drinking
>>and I hope that you all did the same. If everyone did, then great. If
>>anyone didn't, then we still just have today to deal with, and today
>>only.
>
>I agree. My sexual orientation is as irrelevant as anyone - no idea why
>it became such an issue.

Maybe it's at least partly because you refer to, specifically, "My"
sexual orientation in a thread that makes no mention, specifically, of
your orientation.

If I want a fire to die down, it's usually wise for me to put down the
fan.

--
Blue Moon

Funny you should mention that. I've found that it's easier for me now
(sober) to step back and not let my temper flare. I think that my temper is
one of the places that alcohol let poison seep into my relationships. Glad
that's over, but sorry that it happened too late for my marriage. Live and
learn, eh?

> parts of my weekend were harder than others though......................
> remembering that my BEHAVIOR toward my family and others is the TRUE
measure of my sobriety was of utmost importance.
>
> little things (imo, its always the little things) like my husband spilling
ice tea all over the inside of the
> refrigerator what a mess!
>
> removing myself, from the "scene of the crime", cooling down, and
remembering how important it really is, on a scale of
> 1-10! (not)

"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in message
news:uuTSa.28226$o27.458520@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
>
> parts of my weekend were harder than others though......................
> remembering that my BEHAVIOR toward my family and others is the TRUE
measure of my sobriety was of utmost importance.
>
> little things (imo, its always the little things) like my husband spilling
ice tea all over the inside of the
> refrigerator what a mess!
>
> removing myself, from the "scene of the crime", cooling down, and
remembering how important it really is, on a scale of
> 1-10! (not)


The Step Four of credibility challenged AAers :- When our spouse was wrong,
told
the world about it, glorifying how our *quality* sobriety demonstrates the
triumph of tolerance.

Did you know what preceded me being kicked out of Lamplighters? (AA only
online group.) Despite Rosies malicious bullshit to the contrary, it was
after my remarking on that version of step four being exemplified, by a so
called "A.A trusted servant."


Bob

In message <cca80203c64b7ac394aec1435d21b753@free.teranews.co m>, Blue
Moon <mfoco@hotmail.com> writes
>On Mon, 21 Jul 2003 18:16:46 +0100, Jonathan Bratt
><jonnybratt@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>In message <lkSSa.800$gi.1120518@news2.news.adelphia.net>, Dan McGown
>><DMcGown@adelphia.net> writes
>>>On a lighter note, I made it through another weekend without drinking
>>>and I hope that you all did the same. If everyone did, then great. If
>>>anyone didn't, then we still just have today to deal with, and today
>>>only.
>>
>>I agree. My sexual orientation is as irrelevant as anyone - no idea why
>>it became such an issue.
>
>Maybe it's at least partly because you refer to, specifically, "My"
>sexual orientation in a thread that makes no mention, specifically, of
>your orientation.

Until moonraker started raking it up I have never made it an issue. I
may have referred to my boyfriend on occasion - has anyone else ever
mentioned their wife/husband? What is the difference.
>
>If I want a fire to die down, it's usually wise for me to put down the
>fan.
>
If I misunderstood moonraker's comment he could have said so, I would
have apologised, and that would have been it. He had a desire to shit
stir.
--
Jonathan Bratt