I’d like to share with you an experience I had over Christmas but
before I do, I’ll tell you a little about myself.

I quit drinking again on 10th June 2003 and almost every day since
then I’ve stuck close to AA folk. Also, I’ve been working with a
Sponsor for over 15 months, I try hard to live my life in accordance
with our 12 Step programme and other AA teachings and I continue to
study my Big Book and other AA literature.

On Christmas Eve, someone gave us as a present some mince pies
containing brandy. On that day, I told my husband that he would have
to eat them and I believe that I was at that time happy with the idea
of not having any myself. However, by Boxing Day, I was not OK with
this idea. Instead, I was having to work hard to not eat one because,
by then, my mind was trying to convince me that they couldn’t harm me.

Now until Christmas time, whenever, recently, I’ve had the occasional
thought about consuming alcohol (usually a glass of wine), those
thoughts have quickly passed. Not so my thoughts about those brandied
mince pies. They frequently cropped up during Boxing Day and also the
day after

Now, maybe if I’d eaten one of those pies my mind would have let me
believe that it had done me no harm and then convinced me that it
would be OK for me to have another. And if, after having the second,
my mind was later able to also convince me that perhaps I could also
handle a glass of wine, maybe I would have had one - followed by
another, followed by another followed by................

For me, the trick my mind tried to play on me was the same trick that
Jim's did. He thought:

“......... if I put an ounce of whiskey in my milk it couldn’t hurt me
on a full stomach. I ordered a whiskey and poured it into the milk. I
vaguely sensed I was not being too smart but felt reassured as I was
taking the whiskey on a full stomach. The experiment went so well that
I ordered another whiskey and poured it into more milk. That didn’t
bother me so I tried another”. Thus started one more journey to the
asylum for Jim (Alcoholics Anonymous, page 36)

For me, my experience with the mince pies has once again brought it
home to me just how cunning and powerful alcoholism can be and how,
even now, my mind is still capable of trying to trick me into
believing that it is OK for me to consume alcohol.

JB

Thanks for sharing. I was also keen to avoid eats foods that contain
alcohol. The only mince pies I had were at AA meetings over the festive
period

--
J



JB wrote:
> I'd like to share with you an experience I had over Christmas but
> before I do, I'll tell you a little about myself.
>
> I quit drinking again on 10th June 2003 and almost every day since
> then I've stuck close to AA folk. Also, I've been working with a
> Sponsor for over 15 months, I try hard to live my life in accordance
> with our 12 Step programme and other AA teachings and I continue to
> study my Big Book and other AA literature.

EXACTLY why i refer to myself as being IN recovery..................it
is a ODAAT thing, and alcoholic thinking could always be with us!




JB wrote:
> I'd like to share with you an experience I had over Christmas but
> before I do, I'll tell you a little about myself.
>
> I quit drinking again on 10th June 2003 and almost every day since
> then I've stuck close to AA folk. Also, I've been working with a
> Sponsor for over 15 months, I try hard to live my life in accordance
> with our 12 Step programme and other AA teachings and I continue to
> study my Big Book and other AA literature.
>
> On Christmas Eve, someone gave us as a present some mince pies
> containing brandy. On that day, I told my husband that he would have
> to eat them and I believe that I was at that time happy with the idea
> of not having any myself. However, by Boxing Day, I was not OK with
> this idea. Instead, I was having to work hard to not eat one because,
> by then, my mind was trying to convince me that they couldn't harm
me.
>
> Now until Christmas time, whenever, recently, I've had the
occasional
> thought about consuming alcohol (usually a glass of wine), those
> thoughts have quickly passed. Not so my thoughts about those brandied
> mince pies. They frequently cropped up during Boxing Day and also the
> day after
>
> Now, maybe if I'd eaten one of those pies my mind would have let me
> believe that it had done me no harm and then convinced me that it
> would be OK for me to have another. And if, after having the second,
> my mind was later able to also convince me that perhaps I could also
> handle a glass of wine, maybe I would have had one - followed by
> another, followed by another followed by................
>
> For me, the trick my mind tried to play on me was the same trick that
> Jim's did. He thought:
>
> "......... if I put an ounce of whiskey in my milk it couldn't
hurt me
> on a full stomach. I ordered a whiskey and poured it into the milk. I
> vaguely sensed I was not being too smart but felt reassured as I was
> taking the whiskey on a full stomach. The experiment went so well
that
> I ordered another whiskey and poured it into more milk. That didn't
> bother me so I tried another". Thus started one more journey to the
> asylum for Jim (Alcoholics Anonymous, page 36)
>
> For me, my experience with the mince pies has once again brought it
> home to me just how cunning and powerful alcoholism can be and how,
> even now, my mind is still capable of trying to trick me into
> believing that it is OK for me to consume alcohol.
>
> JB

"There is a solution..." "We have recovered..." Why is this so difficult
for people to understand? Could it be that you really aren't in THE program?

"readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1104434165.248801.122700@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> EXACTLY why i refer to myself as being IN recovery..................it
> is a ODAAT thing, and alcoholic thinking could always be with us!
>
>
>
>
> JB wrote:
>> I'd like to share with you an experience I had over Christmas but
>> before I do, I'll tell you a little about myself.
>>
>> I quit drinking again on 10th June 2003 and almost every day since
>> then I've stuck close to AA folk. Also, I've been working with a
>> Sponsor for over 15 months, I try hard to live my life in accordance
>> with our 12 Step programme and other AA teachings and I continue to
>> study my Big Book and other AA literature.
>>
>> On Christmas Eve, someone gave us as a present some mince pies
>> containing brandy. On that day, I told my husband that he would have
>> to eat them and I believe that I was at that time happy with the idea
>> of not having any myself. However, by Boxing Day, I was not OK with
>> this idea. Instead, I was having to work hard to not eat one because,
>> by then, my mind was trying to convince me that they couldn't harm
> me.
>>
>> Now until Christmas time, whenever, recently, I've had the
> occasional
>> thought about consuming alcohol (usually a glass of wine), those
>> thoughts have quickly passed. Not so my thoughts about those brandied
>> mince pies. They frequently cropped up during Boxing Day and also the
>> day after
>>
>> Now, maybe if I'd eaten one of those pies my mind would have let me
>> believe that it had done me no harm and then convinced me that it
>> would be OK for me to have another. And if, after having the second,
>> my mind was later able to also convince me that perhaps I could also
>> handle a glass of wine, maybe I would have had one - followed by
>> another, followed by another followed by................
>>
>> For me, the trick my mind tried to play on me was the same trick that
>> Jim's did. He thought:
>>
>> "......... if I put an ounce of whiskey in my milk it couldn't
> hurt me
>> on a full stomach. I ordered a whiskey and poured it into the milk. I
>> vaguely sensed I was not being too smart but felt reassured as I was
>> taking the whiskey on a full stomach. The experiment went so well
> that
>> I ordered another whiskey and poured it into more milk. That didn't
>> bother me so I tried another". Thus started one more journey to the
>> asylum for Jim (Alcoholics Anonymous, page 36)
>>
>> For me, my experience with the mince pies has once again brought it
>> home to me just how cunning and powerful alcoholism can be and how,
>> even now, my mind is still capable of trying to trick me into
>> believing that it is OK for me to consume alcohol.
>>
>> JB
>

"readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1104434165.248801.122700@z14g2000cwz.googlegr oups.com...
> > EXACTLY why i refer to myself as being IN
recovery..................it
> > is a ODAAT thing, and alcoholic thinking could always be with us!

RK Dian replied:

"RK Dian" <rkdian@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:Tc1Bd.7655$qf5.2198@newsread3.news.atl.earthl ink.net...
> "There is a solution..." "We have recovered..." Why is this so
difficult
> for people to understand? Could it be that you really aren't in THE
program?

Or constitutionally incapable of being honest with self and incapable
of grasping and developing a manner of living which demands rigorous
honesty, or suffering from a grave emotional and mental disorders
while lacking the capacity to be honest. (Alcoholics Anonymous, page
58)

JB

i have the opportunity to see your postings here in google and its a
shame to see that you are still posting your routine crap, especially
after such a fine original post!

JB wrote:

>
> Or constitutionally incapable of being honest with self and incapable
> of grasping and developing a manner of living which demands rigorous
> honesty, or suffering from a grave emotional and mental disorders
> while lacking the capacity to be honest. (Alcoholics Anonymous, page
> 58)
>
> JB

"readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1104526536.784580.87160@c13g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
> i have the opportunity to see your postings here in google and its a
> shame to see that you are still posting your routine crap,
especially
> after such a fine original post!
>
> JB wrote:
>
> >
> > Or constitutionally incapable of being honest with self and
incapable
> > of grasping and developing a manner of living which demands
rigorous
> > honesty, or suffering from a grave emotional and mental disorders
> > while lacking the capacity to be honest. (Alcoholics Anonymous,
page
> > 58)
> >
> > JB

Rosie,

If you believe that you are able to be honest with yourself about
yourself, why should what I have quoted bothered you ?

If you believe that you have developed or are capable of developing a
manner of living which demands rigorous honesty, why should what I've
quoted have bothered you ?

If you believe that despite your mental illness, you are or have the
capacity to be honest, why should what I have quoted have bothered you
?

JB

it doesn't bother me JB, its just your usual crap, and its a shame.
you may have the last word, this thread is many posts too long!

Could have been someone impersonating Rosie. Different headers.

--
J



JB wrote:
> "readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:1104526536.784580.87160@c13g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
>> i have the opportunity to see your postings here in google and its a
>> shame to see that you are still posting your routine crap,
> especially
>> after such a fine original post!
>>
>> JB wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Or constitutionally incapable of being honest with self and incapable
>>> of grasping and developing a manner of living which demands rigorous
>>> honesty, or suffering from a grave emotional and mental disorders
>>> while lacking the capacity to be honest. (Alcoholics Anonymous, page
>>> 58)
>>>
>>> JB
>
> Rosie,
>
> If you believe that you are able to be honest with yourself about
> yourself, why should what I have quoted bothered you ?
>
> If you believe that you have developed or are capable of developing a
> manner of living which demands rigorous honesty, why should what I've
> quoted have bothered you ?
>
> If you believe that despite your mental illness, you are or have the
> capacity to be honest, why should what I have quoted have bothered you
> ?
>
> JB

nope, it was me......................i was in google and i never had
any killfilters there, so up popped JB and her wonderful post!

unfortunately, it didn't take him/her long to resume with the crap!
its just a shame!





"J" <welshalky@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:41d63128$1@news.greennet.net...
: Could have been someone impersonating Rosie. Different headers.
:
: --
: J
:
:
:
: JB wrote:
: > "readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com> wrote in message
: > news:1104526536.784580.87160@c13g2000cwb.googlegro ups.com...
: >> i have the opportunity to see your postings here in google and
its a
: >> shame to see that you are still posting your routine crap,
: > especially
: >> after such a fine original post!
: >>
: >> JB wrote:
: >>
: >>>
: >>> Or constitutionally incapable of being honest with self and
incapable
: >>> of grasping and developing a manner of living which demands
rigorous
: >>> honesty, or suffering from a grave emotional and mental
disorders
: >>> while lacking the capacity to be honest. (Alcoholics
Anonymous, page
: >>> 58)
: >>>
: >>> JB
: >
: > Rosie,
: >
: > If you believe that you are able to be honest with yourself
about
: > yourself, why should what I have quoted bothered you ?
: >
: > If you believe that you have developed or are capable of
developing a
: > manner of living which demands rigorous honesty, why should what
I've
: > quoted have bothered you ?
: >
: > If you believe that despite your mental illness, you are or have
the
: > capacity to be honest, why should what I have quoted have
bothered you
: > ?
: >
: > JB
:
: