Alcoholics Anonymous is Wrong - Alcoholism is Not a Disease

(PRWEB) December 22, 2004 -- Alcoholism is not an incurable and
progressive illness or disease, as Alcoholics Anonymous would have us
believe, but rather a self-harming behaviour problem with its roots in
childhood.

So say former alcoholics Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald from Ayrshire in
Scotland. They argue that pursuing lifelong sobriety is not a sign of
recovery from alcoholism, as Alcoholics Anonymous claims. Staying away
from booze one day at a time is treating the symptom instead of the
fundamental underlying problem, and merely a damage limitation
exercise.

Lilian says: "If an alcoholic is willing to identify and thoroughly
address their issues from the past, then there is no reason why he or
she should not be able to consciously change their previously
problematic behaviour patterns, even to the extent of being able to
drink responsibly and safely again in a perfectly normal and sociable
manner. We know that this is possible, because we have done it
ourselves. So have many other former alcoholics who have contacted us
from all over the world through our website
www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com

"Being able to drink responsibly again is important in itself for an
alcoholic, because it's not pleasant to be socially excluded for any
reason. But being able to drink normally and safely again is even more
important because it is the outward and visible sign that an alcoholic
has resolved his or her problems and is truly well again.

"Nobody is incapable of changing their behaviour. And that is one of
the fundamental differences between Alcoholics Anonymous and us. AA
disempowers people – the first of the Twelve Steps says: "We admitted
we were powerless over alcohol" – but we are fighting to give
alcoholics that power back."

Ten years ago the Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald had hit rock bottom,
sleeping rough for two weeks on the streets of Cambridge, where a
quarter of a century previously as an undergraduate Murdoch had
received an honours degree in English Literature. They had moved there
from Ayr with the idea of Murdoch doing research for a doctorate
(PhD), but reverted to their old habits, started binge drinking, and
were thrown out of their lodgings.

After a fortnight, and when they were just about at the end of their
tether, two nurses on their way home after a Saturday night out took
pity on Lilian and Murdoch, bought them a cup of tea and found them a
place in a homeless hostel.

The couple spent the next twelve months there getting to the roots of
their alcoholism. They tried AA one last time, before concluding that
it was a quasi-religious cult whose ideas on alcoholism were
inadequate and outdated.

Instead, by reading psychology, they decided that the causes of their
alcoholic behaviour lay in problems experienced during childhood. And
that once these problems were realised and addressed, there was no
longer any need for escape through alcoholism, and they could even
drink normally like other people again.

Ten years after selling newspapers from a stand in Market Square,
Cambridge, so that he and Lilian could get back on their feet
financially, Murdoch now writes his own regular column in the local
weekly paper and also runs his own public relations consultancy.

And Lilian is so keen to pass on the benefits of their experience to
others who still have problems with alcohol, that the couple are
building a website www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com to spread
their message of hope.

They also have a community group website at
http://groups.msn.com/AlcoholicsCanDrinkSafelyAgain which includes a
chat room and message board where members can exchange thoughts, ideas
and experiences.

Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald's web links:
http://www.alcoholicscandrinksafelya...newpage20.html
http://www.famepublicity.co.uk/productssimple1.html

Main website:
http://www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com

Community websites
http://groups.msn.com/Alcoholicsdont...stayonthewagon
http://groups.msn.com/AlcoholicsCanDrinkSafelyAgain
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...nkSafelyAgain/

Murdoch MacDonald concluded: "It is high time that the semi-quiescent
media reviewed the quasi-monopoly that they appear to have granted to
Alcoholics Anonymous on the subject of alcoholism. If the media were
to properly examine the 12-Step programme, they would realise that
Alcoholics Anonymous is a pseudo-religious cult that has held up and
blocked real progress in the field of alcoholism for the past three
score years and ten."

Issued by Fame Publicity Services
10 Miller Road
AYR, Ayrshire
Scotland
KA7 2AY

Telephone: +44 (0)1292 281498

Website: www.famepublicity.co.uk





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Other Releases by this Member
Alcoholics Can Recover and Learn to Drink Safely Again 2004-06-01
Former Alcoholics from Ayrshire in Scotland Welcome American Addiction
Expert Stanton Peele's New Book on Recovery 2004-07-26
Can alcoholics recover and drink normally again? Pioneering new book
seeking publisher will reveal the truth 2004-09-21
Lifelong sobriety is not recovery from alcoholism! 2004-10-15

in article 39516dcd.0412230609.694e06a2@posting.google.com, Alcocure at
alcocure@aol.com wrote on 12/23/04 8:09 AM:

> www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com


Fascinating.

EVERY friggin' page is a HUGE picture of these people.

Think maybe ther's an ego issue or two going on here?

If they have "recovered," as they say, and "can drink safely again," as they
say, hey, great, more power to them. I'm happy for them.

But I don't want to drink again. I'm happier now, thanks very much. I
missed it in the first month, but that was a LONG time ago.

For anybody who isn't sure if they are hopeless with regard to drinking, by
all means, go give these folks a look. Give them all your money, whatever.

But if it doesn't work (and I'm beting on not), remember, AA will still be
around.

Ev

Listen - I do NOT want to say 'Bull...s.h...i...t' because it aint nice so
if you want to help me do not post such utter total 'Bull...s.h...i...t'
Kind regards
Mias
15 years clean and sober and enjoying every friggin second of it!
P.S. Is it not glorious to feel christmas aproaching sober!
"Alcocure" <alcocure@aol.com> wrote in message
news:39516dcd.0412230609.694e06a2@posting.google.c om...
> Alcoholics Anonymous is Wrong - Alcoholism is Not a Disease
>
> (PRWEB) December 22, 2004 -- Alcoholism is not an incurable and
> progressive illness or disease, as Alcoholics Anonymous would have us
> believe, but rather a self-harming behaviour problem with its roots in
> childhood.
>
> So say former alcoholics Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald from Ayrshire in
> Scotland. They argue that pursuing lifelong sobriety is not a sign of
> recovery from alcoholism, as Alcoholics Anonymous claims. Staying away
> from booze one day at a time is treating the symptom instead of the
> fundamental underlying problem, and merely a damage limitation
> exercise.
>
> Lilian says: "If an alcoholic is willing to identify and thoroughly
> address their issues from the past, then there is no reason why he or
> she should not be able to consciously change their previously
> problematic behaviour patterns, even to the extent of being able to
> drink responsibly and safely again in a perfectly normal and sociable
> manner. We know that this is possible, because we have done it
> ourselves. So have many other former alcoholics who have contacted us
> from all over the world through our website
> www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com
>
> "Being able to drink responsibly again is important in itself for an
> alcoholic, because it's not pleasant to be socially excluded for any
> reason. But being able to drink normally and safely again is even more
> important because it is the outward and visible sign that an alcoholic
> has resolved his or her problems and is truly well again.
>
> "Nobody is incapable of changing their behaviour. And that is one of
> the fundamental differences between Alcoholics Anonymous and us. AA
> disempowers people - the first of the Twelve Steps says: "We admitted
> we were powerless over alcohol" - but we are fighting to give
> alcoholics that power back."
>
> Ten years ago the Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald had hit rock bottom,
> sleeping rough for two weeks on the streets of Cambridge, where a
> quarter of a century previously as an undergraduate Murdoch had
> received an honours degree in English Literature. They had moved there
> from Ayr with the idea of Murdoch doing research for a doctorate
> (PhD), but reverted to their old habits, started binge drinking, and
> were thrown out of their lodgings.
>
> After a fortnight, and when they were just about at the end of their
> tether, two nurses on their way home after a Saturday night out took
> pity on Lilian and Murdoch, bought them a cup of tea and found them a
> place in a homeless hostel.
>
> The couple spent the next twelve months there getting to the roots of
> their alcoholism. They tried AA one last time, before concluding that
> it was a quasi-religious cult whose ideas on alcoholism were
> inadequate and outdated.
>
> Instead, by reading psychology, they decided that the causes of their
> alcoholic behaviour lay in problems experienced during childhood. And
> that once these problems were realised and addressed, there was no
> longer any need for escape through alcoholism, and they could even
> drink normally like other people again.
>
> Ten years after selling newspapers from a stand in Market Square,
> Cambridge, so that he and Lilian could get back on their feet
> financially, Murdoch now writes his own regular column in the local
> weekly paper and also runs his own public relations consultancy.
>
> And Lilian is so keen to pass on the benefits of their experience to
> others who still have problems with alcohol, that the couple are
> building a website www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com to spread
> their message of hope.
>
> They also have a community group website at
> http://groups.msn.com/AlcoholicsCanDrinkSafelyAgain which includes a
> chat room and message board where members can exchange thoughts, ideas
> and experiences.
>
> Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald's web links:
> http://www.alcoholicscandrinksafelya...newpage20.html
> http://www.famepublicity.co.uk/productssimple1.html
>
> Main website:
> http://www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com
>
> Community websites
> http://groups.msn.com/Alcoholicsdont...stayonthewagon
> http://groups.msn.com/AlcoholicsCanDrinkSafelyAgain
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...nkSafelyAgain/
>
> Murdoch MacDonald concluded: "It is high time that the semi-quiescent
> media reviewed the quasi-monopoly that they appear to have granted to
> Alcoholics Anonymous on the subject of alcoholism. If the media were
> to properly examine the 12-Step programme, they would realise that
> Alcoholics Anonymous is a pseudo-religious cult that has held up and
> blocked real progress in the field of alcoholism for the past three
> score years and ten."
>
> Issued by Fame Publicity Services
> 10 Miller Road
> AYR, Ayrshire
> Scotland
> KA7 2AY
>
> Telephone: +44 (0)1292 281498
>
> Website: www.famepublicity.co.uk
>
>
>
>
>
> ###
>
>
>
>
>
> Other Releases by this Member
> Alcoholics Can Recover and Learn to Drink Safely Again 2004-06-01
> Former Alcoholics from Ayrshire in Scotland Welcome American Addiction
> Expert Stanton Peele's New Book on Recovery 2004-07-26
> Can alcoholics recover and drink normally again? Pioneering new book
> seeking publisher will reveal the truth 2004-09-21
> Lifelong sobriety is not recovery from alcoholism! 2004-10-15

Well, fancy this subject this came up. I had previously been in a
treatment program and the therapists there kept bringing my child hood
into play, my father's drinking and abuse, and my mother's inability to
cope. Jokingly mind you all, I was thinking about suing my parents
about half way through for all kinds of stuff. Here I sit almost 16
months sober, my first calendar year approaching completing sober, and
seeing a productive sober and clean life due to several reasons only:

Living "One day at a time"
Not taking the first one
Putting faith and trust in my Higher Power
And as daily living goes hanging around a few ole' drunks that got there
stuff together and are showing and living the example.

I don't feel socially "retarded" or out of the norm at this point in
time. My family, close friends, and co workers don't even think twice
about my recovery. Heck, one co worker tells me every Monday how
trashed she got the previously weekend. I just get a glow about me I am
sure remembering those days and knowing if I live these simple
principles I am assured of not reliving my own nightmares.

In summary, I don't care how you got it, you got it. If you have or had
a problem drinking and chose to do something about it and it worked then
so much the better. For me, society, my family, and the legal system is
much better with me being sober. No more wrecks, DUI's, "missing" for
days, and kids living in fear. In January I am attempting to complete
my degree I started years ago, initially I was going to go back and get
a degree in substance abuse counseling but became disheartened in
regards to the nature of the profession, the money the treatment centers
turnover, and more important I got this all for free to live a sober
life and someone out there deserves that chance as well. Whom am I to
profit financially from something I got so easily and cheaply?

Happy Holidays,

G. Gill



Alcocure wrote:
> Alcoholics Anonymous is Wrong - Alcoholism is Not a Disease
>
> (PRWEB) December 22, 2004 -- Alcoholism is not an incurable and
> progressive illness or disease, as Alcoholics Anonymous would have us
> believe, but rather a self-harming behaviour problem with its roots in
> childhood.
>
> So say former alcoholics Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald from Ayrshire in
> Scotland. They argue that pursuing lifelong sobriety is not a sign of
> recovery from alcoholism, as Alcoholics Anonymous claims. Staying away
> from booze one day at a time is treating the symptom instead of the
> fundamental underlying problem, and merely a damage limitation
> exercise.
>
> Lilian says: "If an alcoholic is willing to identify and thoroughly
> address their issues from the past, then there is no reason why he or
> she should not be able to consciously change their previously
> problematic behaviour patterns, even to the extent of being able to
> drink responsibly and safely again in a perfectly normal and sociable
> manner. We know that this is possible, because we have done it
> ourselves. So have many other former alcoholics who have contacted us
> from all over the world through our website
> www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com
>
> "Being able to drink responsibly again is important in itself for an
> alcoholic, because it's not pleasant to be socially excluded for any
> reason. But being able to drink normally and safely again is even more
> important because it is the outward and visible sign that an alcoholic
> has resolved his or her problems and is truly well again.
>
> "Nobody is incapable of changing their behaviour. And that is one of
> the fundamental differences between Alcoholics Anonymous and us. AA
> disempowers people – the first of the Twelve Steps says: "We admitted
> we were powerless over alcohol" – but we are fighting to give
> alcoholics that power back."
>
> Ten years ago the Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald had hit rock bottom,
> sleeping rough for two weeks on the streets of Cambridge, where a
> quarter of a century previously as an undergraduate Murdoch had
> received an honours degree in English Literature. They had moved there
> from Ayr with the idea of Murdoch doing research for a doctorate
> (PhD), but reverted to their old habits, started binge drinking, and
> were thrown out of their lodgings.
>
> After a fortnight, and when they were just about at the end of their
> tether, two nurses on their way home after a Saturday night out took
> pity on Lilian and Murdoch, bought them a cup of tea and found them a
> place in a homeless hostel.
>
> The couple spent the next twelve months there getting to the roots of
> their alcoholism. They tried AA one last time, before concluding that
> it was a quasi-religious cult whose ideas on alcoholism were
> inadequate and outdated.
>
> Instead, by reading psychology, they decided that the causes of their
> alcoholic behaviour lay in problems experienced during childhood. And
> that once these problems were realised and addressed, there was no
> longer any need for escape through alcoholism, and they could even
> drink normally like other people again.
>
> Ten years after selling newspapers from a stand in Market Square,
> Cambridge, so that he and Lilian could get back on their feet
> financially, Murdoch now writes his own regular column in the local
> weekly paper and also runs his own public relations consultancy.
>
> And Lilian is so keen to pass on the benefits of their experience to
> others who still have problems with alcohol, that the couple are
> building a website www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com to spread
> their message of hope.
>
> They also have a community group website at
> http://groups.msn.com/AlcoholicsCanDrinkSafelyAgain which includes a
> chat room and message board where members can exchange thoughts, ideas
> and experiences.
>
> Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald's web links:
> http://www.alcoholicscandrinksafelya...newpage20.html
> http://www.famepublicity.co.uk/productssimple1.html
>
> Main website:
> http://www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com
>
> Community websites
> http://groups.msn.com/Alcoholicsdont...stayonthewagon
> http://groups.msn.com/AlcoholicsCanDrinkSafelyAgain
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...nkSafelyAgain/
>
> Murdoch MacDonald concluded: "It is high time that the semi-quiescent
> media reviewed the quasi-monopoly that they appear to have granted to
> Alcoholics Anonymous on the subject of alcoholism. If the media were
> to properly examine the 12-Step programme, they would realise that
> Alcoholics Anonymous is a pseudo-religious cult that has held up and
> blocked real progress in the field of alcoholism for the past three
> score years and ten."
>
> Issued by Fame Publicity Services
> 10 Miller Road
> AYR, Ayrshire
> Scotland
> KA7 2AY
>
> Telephone: +44 (0)1292 281498
>
> Website: www.famepublicity.co.uk
>
>
>
>
>
> ###
>
>
>
>
>
> Other Releases by this Member
> Alcoholics Can Recover and Learn to Drink Safely Again 2004-06-01
> Former Alcoholics from Ayrshire in Scotland Welcome American Addiction
> Expert Stanton Peele's New Book on Recovery 2004-07-26
> Can alcoholics recover and drink normally again? Pioneering new book
> seeking publisher will reveal the truth 2004-09-21
> Lifelong sobriety is not recovery from alcoholism! 2004-10-15

On 23 Dec 2004 06:09:38 -0800, alcocure@aol.com (Alcocure) wrote:

>Alcoholics Anonymous is Wrong - Alcoholism is Not a Disease
>
>(PRWEB) December 22, 2004 -- Alcoholism is not an incurable and
>progressive illness or disease, as Alcoholics Anonymous would have us
>believe, but rather a self-harming behaviour problem with its roots in
>childhood.
>
>So say former alcoholics Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald from Ayrshire in
>Scotland. They argue that pursuing lifelong sobriety is not a sign of
>recovery from alcoholism, as Alcoholics Anonymous claims. Staying away
>from booze one day at a time is treating the symptom instead of the
>fundamental underlying problem, and merely a damage limitation
>exercise.
>
>Lilian says: "If an alcoholic is willing to identify and thoroughly
>address their issues from the past, then there is no reason why he or
>she should not be able to consciously change their previously
>problematic behaviour patterns, even to the extent of being able to
>drink responsibly and safely again in a perfectly normal and sociable
>manner. We know that this is possible, because we have done it
>ourselves. So have many other former alcoholics who have contacted us
>from all over the world through our website
>www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com
>
>"Being able to drink responsibly again is important in itself for an
>alcoholic, because it's not pleasant to be socially excluded for any
>reason. But being able to drink normally and safely again is even more
>important because it is the outward and visible sign that an alcoholic
>has resolved his or her problems and is truly well again.
>
>"Nobody is incapable of changing their behaviour. And that is one of
>the fundamental differences between Alcoholics Anonymous and us. AA
>disempowers people – the first of the Twelve Steps says: "We admitted
>we were powerless over alcohol" – but we are fighting to give
>alcoholics that power back."
>
>Ten years ago the Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald had hit rock bottom,
>sleeping rough for two weeks on the streets of Cambridge, where a
>quarter of a century previously as an undergraduate Murdoch had
>received an honours degree in English Literature. They had moved there
>from Ayr with the idea of Murdoch doing research for a doctorate
>(PhD), but reverted to their old habits, started binge drinking, and
>were thrown out of their lodgings.
>
>After a fortnight, and when they were just about at the end of their
>tether, two nurses on their way home after a Saturday night out took
>pity on Lilian and Murdoch, bought them a cup of tea and found them a
>place in a homeless hostel.
>
>The couple spent the next twelve months there getting to the roots of
>their alcoholism. They tried AA one last time, before concluding that
>it was a quasi-religious cult whose ideas on alcoholism were
>inadequate and outdated.
>
>Instead, by reading psychology, they decided that the causes of their
>alcoholic behaviour lay in problems experienced during childhood. And
>that once these problems were realised and addressed, there was no
>longer any need for escape through alcoholism, and they could even
>drink normally like other people again.
>
>Ten years after selling newspapers from a stand in Market Square,
>Cambridge, so that he and Lilian could get back on their feet
>financially, Murdoch now writes his own regular column in the local
>weekly paper and also runs his own public relations consultancy.
>
>And Lilian is so keen to pass on the benefits of their experience to
>others who still have problems with alcohol, that the couple are
>building a website www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com to spread
>their message of hope.
>
>They also have a community group website at
>http://groups.msn.com/AlcoholicsCanDrinkSafelyAgain which includes a
>chat room and message board where members can exchange thoughts, ideas
>and experiences.
>
>Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald's web links:
>http://www.alcoholicscandrinksafelya...newpage20.html
>http://www.famepublicity.co.uk/productssimple1.html
>
>Main website:
>http://www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com
>
>Community websites
>http://groups.msn.com/Alcoholicsdont...stayonthewagon
>http://groups.msn.com/AlcoholicsCanDrinkSafelyAgain
>http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...nkSafelyAgain/
>
>Murdoch MacDonald concluded: "It is high time that the semi-quiescent
>media reviewed the quasi-monopoly that they appear to have granted to
>Alcoholics Anonymous on the subject of alcoholism. If the media were
>to properly examine the 12-Step programme, they would realise that
>Alcoholics Anonymous is a pseudo-religious cult that has held up and
>blocked real progress in the field of alcoholism for the past three
>score years and ten."
>
>Issued by Fame Publicity Services
>10 Miller Road
>AYR, Ayrshire
>Scotland
>KA7 2AY
>
>Telephone: +44 (0)1292 281498
>
>Website: www.famepublicity.co.uk
>
>
>
>
>
>###
>
>
>
>
>
>Other Releases by this Member
>Alcoholics Can Recover and Learn to Drink Safely Again 2004-06-01
>Former Alcoholics from Ayrshire in Scotland Welcome American Addiction
>Expert Stanton Peele's New Book on Recovery 2004-07-26
>Can alcoholics recover and drink normally again? Pioneering new book
>seeking publisher will reveal the truth 2004-09-21
>Lifelong sobriety is not recovery from alcoholism! 2004-10-15

So you copy and paste a advertisement in a group, whats the point?
Has this worked for you?
Your a salesman for them
Your thinking of trying this?

How is AA wrong as this advertisement states?
wrong for who? you?

Your still a social drinker I'm sure, so you want others to join you
in rationalizing something most of us have tried.

Try to put some of your own thoughts in this group and not cut and
paste.

Cheers




Daveb

<DaveB> wrote in message news:41cb6b12.23817942@news.dslextreme.com...
> On 23 Dec 2004 06:09:38 -0800, alcocure@aol.com (Alcocure) wrote:
<Advert snipped >

> So you copy and paste a advertisement in a group, whats the point?

Dave

And you re-posted it. Why ?

In case folk missed it the first time round :^)

> Try to put some of your own thoughts in this group and not cut and
> paste.
>
LOL. I thought AAers were encouraged to not attempt to impose their
will on others for the very reason that "any life run on self-will"
can hardly be a success."

JB

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 01:42:00 -0000, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote:

>
><DaveB> wrote in message news:41cb6b12.23817942@news.dslextreme.com...
>> On 23 Dec 2004 06:09:38 -0800, alcocure@aol.com (Alcocure) wrote:
><Advert snipped >
>
>> <snip>
>LOL. I thought AAers were encouraged to not attempt to impose their
>will on others for the very reason that "any life run on self-will"
>can hardly be a success."
>
>JB
> Taking my inventory?
>
>
>
>
>
>

Daveb

<DaveB> wrote in message
news:41cb8127.29472576@news.dslextreme.com...
> On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 01:42:00 -0000, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>><DaveB> wrote in message
>>news:41cb6b12.23817942@news.dslextreme.com...
>>> On 23 Dec 2004 06:09:38 -0800, alcocure@aol.com (Alcocure) wrote:
>><Advert snipped >
>>
>>> <snip>
>>LOL. I thought AAers were encouraged to not attempt to impose
>>their
>>will on others for the very reason that "any life run on self-will"
>>can hardly be a success."
>>
>>JB
>> Taking my inventory?
>>

Why not?

Bob
"In those days we really took each other's inventories firmly and
often" BB p245

On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 12:49:13 +1000, "Robert McGregor"
<robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote:

>
><DaveB> wrote in message
>news:41cb8127.29472576@news.dslextreme.com...
>> On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 01:42:00 -0000, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>><DaveB> wrote in message
>>>news:41cb6b12.23817942@news.dslextreme.com...
>>>> On 23 Dec 2004 06:09:38 -0800, alcocure@aol.com (Alcocure) wrote:
>>><Advert snipped >
>>>
>>>> <snip>
>>>LOL. I thought AAers were encouraged to not attempt to impose
>>>their
>>>will on others for the very reason that "any life run on self-will"
>>>can hardly be a success."
>>>
>>>JB
>>> Taking my inventory?
>>>
>
>Why not?
>
>Bob
>"In those days we really took each other's inventories firmly and
>often" BB p245
>

LOL..........good cause I dont mind one bit.......)
>
>

Daveb

<DaveB> wrote in message news:41cb8127.29472576@news.dslextreme.com...
> On Fri, 24 Dec 2004 01:42:00 -0000, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com>
wrote:
>
> >
> ><DaveB> wrote in message
news:41cb6b12.23817942@news.dslextreme.com...
> >> On 23 Dec 2004 06:09:38 -0800, alcocure@aol.com (Alcocure) wrote:
> ><Advert snipped >
> >
> >> <snip>
> >LOL. I thought AAers were encouraged to not attempt to impose
their
> >will on others for the very reason that "any life run on self-will"
> >can hardly be a success."
> >
> >JB
> > Taking my inventory?

Yes. If you have a problem with that why might that be ?

JB