In article <cperj3$q20$1@newsg2.svr.pol.co.uk>, JBCatRB@coldman.com
says...
>
> "Clinton Gandy" <crg903@webtv.net> wrote in message
> news:27331-41BAC97A-49@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net...
>
> > you can email me if you want, I am sober.
>
> Good for you. When did you stop drinking ?
>
I'm on my third day of Chlordiazepoxide stabilization
and abstinence. I slept great last night and
I'm incredibly hungry and anxious over financial
and legal obligations.

--
"I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan

In article <cpf7rk$onm$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, JBCatRB@coldman.com
says...
>
> " rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:eAEud.15187$NO5.2717@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > please DO give on-line AA a chance..............you are NOT the only
> > agoraphobic who uses this approach!
> >
> > http://www.aa-intergroup.org/directories/email.html
>
> Rosie has directed you to one type of on-line meeting which can be
> accessed through AA Intergroup. At Intergroup's Home page you'll
> discover links to AA groups which run e-mail meetings only: others
> which run e-mail meetings plus chat rooms and discussion forums and
> yet others which run discussion forums only. AA Intergroup's Home
> page is:
>
> www.aa-intergroup.org

Also, I was wondering if there was the complete
Blue Book contained on a website somewhere.


>
> JB
>
> > "Clinton Gandy" <crg903@webtv.net> wrote in message
> > news:27331-41BAC97A-49@storefull-3113.bay.webtv.net...
>
> > : I know they have online AAS meetings but I haven't searched them
> > out.
>
>
>

--
"I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan

"Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message news:31v8pcF3f4c44U5@individual.net...
> Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
> and work the steps without having to attend
> FTF meetings?

Of course. Get your hands on a copy of the Big Book and read it. Follow the instructions as they
unfold. If you get stuck or confused, call someone who has worked the steps.

You'll miss a lot of things not going to meetings and you may not fully recover. There are many true
friend to be found in AA meetings, many social retards as well.
____
Tom

You bet there is! On-line AA meetings. I'm no more "expert" than anyone else
in AA, but I know about this as I belong to one that is solid AA.

Email me directly and I'll tell you more about it.

nat h. An alcoholic in
Oxford, AR

"Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
news:31v8pcF3f4c44U5@individual.net...
> Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
> and work the steps without having to attend
> FTF meetings? I suffer from agoraphobia and
> that makes it very difficult to get anything
> out of the group meetings.

"Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
news:320r2gF3flo1tU6@individual.net...
> In article <cpepok012id@enews4.newsguy.com>, USisEvil@vooodoo.diz
> says...
> >
> > "Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> > news:31v8pcF3f4c44U5@individual.net...
> > > Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
> > > and work the steps without having to attend
> > > FTF meetings? I suffer from agoraphobia and
> > > that makes it very difficult to get anything
> > > out of the group meetings. In fact, probably
> > > the only way I could get thru an AA meeting
> > > would be if I was intoxicated or sedated on
> > > benzos. Any ideas?
> > > --
> > > "I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan
> >
> > The experts are con artists.
> >
> > Main Entry: ag·o·ra·pho·bia
> > Pronunciation: "ag(-&)-r&-'fO-bE-&
> > Function: noun
> > : abnormal fear of being helpless in a situation from which escape
may
> > be difficult or embarrassing that is characterized initially often
by
> > panic or anticipatory anxiety and finally by avoidance of open or
public
> > places
> >
> >
> > No matter how much of an asshole I may think you are. It is my
belief
> > that anyone can change if they want to. The asshole that 12 stepped
me
> > said he loved me but didn't like me.
> > I do not worry about what he said now because he was a deluded
> > psychopath that was a baptist preacher that liked to get falling
down
> > drunk before his sermons and when he got sober he would hang around
> > newly sober ladies to eat them out.
> >
> > I disagree with the death penalty except for those that want to take
my
> > freedom away.
> > Alcoholism is a social disease and in the US being in public is
deadly.
> > I have had hundreds of assaults directed at me. Some of these
assaults
> > have resulted in injury to my body yet I cannot defend myself until
we
> > have a civil war.
> >
> > AA is propably the worst place to get sober for those who are not
good
> > ole boys.
> >
> > I am not sure you are abnormally afraid. You have every right to be
> > afraid and that is reality.
> > When you become honest with your self and see that you will know why
the
> > word anomynous is used.
> > Alcoholism will kill you slowly and it is much more difficult to
> > continue drinking than to quit.
> > In the beginning you will suffer waves of self pity and resentments
> > which will pass with deep meditations to your own survival.
> > The ego must be smashed.
> > And like the doormouse said in Alice and Wonderland, "feed your
head".
> >
> After I was poisoned with experimental doses of LSD and other
> unknown drugs by the US Army, my ego became fractured and
> destroyed anyway. And I think that many of us who've gone

Ego is better destroyed. My brother was poisoned also by the US military
and he did not make it.

> thru that type of brainwashing have also developed these
> abnormal panic disorders. I feel no self-pity or resentments.

A. B. Normal (Young Frankenstein) panic disorders only get more
cluttered with alcohol. Those are issues that must be dealt with after
the main culprit is out of the way. It is ok to procrastinate minor
problems, like having microchips stuck in your back.
But the main number 1 problem being king alcohol must be arrested to
prevent alter egos from developing.
You will most likely feel waves of self pity and resentment the first
year anyway after you leave the pink cloud and are left with trying to
pass through puberty. Alcohol cluttered the thought process and anybody
that does not feel angry or fearful is probably drugged or skipping
merrily down the road on a sunny afternoon.

Take away the alcohol, you are left with yourself. That is a dangerous
place to be wandering about aimlessly trying to stay sober. There are
alot of assholes in AA but it is a good place to hang in the beginning
since there are really no other places where peaceful people can legally
gather in the police states.
If it isn't a church or AA it is a drinking establishment. You do not
have much choice.
Churches totally suck and in my opinion are violent.

I am not an AA expert. I only have AA experience.

"Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
news:320rg1F3flo1tU10@individual.net...
> In article <cpf7rk$onm$1@newsg1.svr.pol.co.uk>, JBCatRB@coldman.com
> says...
> >
> > " rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in
message
> > news:eAEud.15187$NO5.2717@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...
> > > please DO give on-line AA a chance..............you are NOT the
only
> > > agoraphobic who uses this approach!
> > >
> > > http://www.aa-intergroup.org/directories/email.html
> >
> > Rosie has directed you to one type of on-line meeting which can be
> > accessed through AA Intergroup. At Intergroup's Home page you'll
> > discover links to AA groups which run e-mail meetings only: others
> > which run e-mail meetings plus chat rooms and discussion forums and
> > yet others which run discussion forums only. AA Intergroup's Home
> > page is:
> >
> > www.aa-intergroup.org
>
> Also, I was wondering if there was the complete
> Blue Book contained on a website somewhere.

You mean the twelve and twelve?

or the BB
http://www.nokama.com/bigbook/index.cfm?fuseaction=main

not impossible, i guess. although you can forget about "group support"
which can be very helpfull, depending on your attitude. the main thing you
will need is a "Change of Attitude Sufficient to Recover" (from a seemingly
hopeless state of mind and body). You will also need a "Sponsor" capable
and willing to come to your home and walk you thru and teach you the 12
steps.
good luck
"Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
news:31v8pcF3f4c44U5@individual.net...
> Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
> and work the steps without having to attend
> FTF meetings? I suffer from agoraphobia and
> that makes it very difficult to get anything
> out of the group meetings. In fact, probably
> the only way I could get thru an AA meeting
> would be if I was intoxicated or sedated on
> benzos. Any ideas?
> --
> "I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan

Load of shit.
If you are a nigger faggot or muslim forget it.

Yous gots to look like a christian jew cop.

Change of attitude only comes after they rob you and extort you into
nothing.
So do not listen to the garbage. Go to an anomynous meeting and listen
to these frozen smile people that scratch their balls and shake your
hand with ball grease.
A bunch of phony fuckers. You only got to remember that the change of
scenery goes with the same goddamned drunks killing people while drunk
come into AA and still cause alcoholic messes.
Now they may be dealing crack in a country western bar while on leave
from the killing in the middle east. Tomorrow they may be sitting in an
AA meeting with the dizzy smile and flashy diamond ring telling you they
had nothing and now they got everything.

DO NOT LET ANY OF THE HOME WRECKERS IN YOUR HOME.


"Stewart&Jackie" <sessmo@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:Hpvvd.566923$D%.458206@attbi_s51...
> not impossible, i guess. although you can forget about "group
support"
> which can be very helpfull, depending on your attitude. the main
thing you
> will need is a "Change of Attitude Sufficient to Recover" (from a
seemingly
> hopeless state of mind and body). You will also need a "Sponsor"
capable
> and willing to come to your home and walk you thru and teach you the
12
> steps.
> good luck
> "Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
> news:31v8pcF3f4c44U5@individual.net...
> > Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
> > and work the steps without having to attend
> > FTF meetings? I suffer from agoraphobia and
> > that makes it very difficult to get anything
> > out of the group meetings. In fact, probably
> > the only way I could get thru an AA meeting
> > would be if I was intoxicated or sedated on
> > benzos. Any ideas?
> > --
> > "I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan
>
>

Hey Dane,you still got that chip stuck in your back?I can do something
about that for you son.
"Sepp"

1st of all your assumptions of who i am or what i may look like are
incorrect (no big surprise).
2nd of all your reply is a classic case of "Constant Complaining - Never
Accomplishing (anything)".
3rd of all given the sound of your attitude, it is little wonder that your
spouse would find anyone more attractive than you. you don't need any help
"wrecking your (home?)", you sound as though your attitude has already done
a splendid job of it. you sound as though you have been "picked on" and
"made fun of" because of your inadequacies. for that part, i pity you.
your (obvious) unwillingness to change generates no pity from me. we become
who we make ourselves. if we choose to make ourselves "constant complainers"
and "professional offended parties" then that is what we will become.
sounds like you do have one accomplishment after all.
congradulations!!!!!!!!!
"Colonel PolyPs" <voodoo@diz.eze> wrote in message
news:cppsga01kue@enews4.newsguy.com...
> Load of shit.
> If you are a nigger faggot or muslim forget it.
>
> Yous gots to look like a christian jew cop.
>
> Change of attitude only comes after they rob you and extort you into
> nothing.
> So do not listen to the garbage. Go to an anomynous meeting and listen
> to these frozen smile people that scratch their balls and shake your
> hand with ball grease.
> A bunch of phony fuckers. You only got to remember that the change of
> scenery goes with the same goddamned drunks killing people while drunk
> come into AA and still cause alcoholic messes.
> Now they may be dealing crack in a country western bar while on leave
> from the killing in the middle east. Tomorrow they may be sitting in an
> AA meeting with the dizzy smile and flashy diamond ring telling you they
> had nothing and now they got everything.
>
> DO NOT LET ANY OF THE HOME WRECKERS IN YOUR HOME.
>
>
> "Stewart&Jackie" <sessmo@mchsi.com> wrote in message
> news:Hpvvd.566923$D%.458206@attbi_s51...
>> not impossible, i guess. although you can forget about "group
> support"
>> which can be very helpfull, depending on your attitude. the main
> thing you
>> will need is a "Change of Attitude Sufficient to Recover" (from a
> seemingly
>> hopeless state of mind and body). You will also need a "Sponsor"
> capable
>> and willing to come to your home and walk you thru and teach you the
> 12
>> steps.
>> good luck
>> "Scott W" <hans_spoon@yahoo.de> wrote in message
>> news:31v8pcF3f4c44U5@individual.net...
>> > Is there anyway to go thru the AA program
>> > and work the steps without having to attend
>> > FTF meetings? I suffer from agoraphobia and
>> > that makes it very difficult to get anything
>> > out of the group meetings. In fact, probably
>> > the only way I could get thru an AA meeting
>> > would be if I was intoxicated or sedated on
>> > benzos. Any ideas?
>> > --
>> > "I hate bears. Anyhow, the more the merrier!" -B Dylan
>>
>>
>
>