Yes, after they kicked me out, I recovered.

Bob.

"I found that I had to exert every ounce of will and action to cut
off these faulty emotional dependencies upon people, upon AA, indeed,
upon any set of circumstances whatsoever. Then only could I be
free" - Bill Wilson AA Grapevine, January 1958

" rosie readandpost" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in
message news:uqEcd.14250$mR.11144@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...

> ...................regular attendance at meetings,
> and working with other alcoholics ODAAT has kept me sober and
> serene for sometime now!

hahahaha, your way has kept you so serene you pop pills to cope with
all that joy;-)

Bob

From: "rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com>

Message-ID: < wkHa.22568$fe.447991@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com>

>YES, whatever works!

>i belong to the "old school" of counting sobriety from the LAST

>drink/drug,



From: "rosie@readandpost" <readandpost@yahoo.com>

http://tinyurl.com/2w5cs

>i am thinking about asking my pdoc to increase my celexa to

>60mg..........anyone else in here have good results with that
>dosage?

>my 40mg seems to be "pooping out"...........



"rosie readandpost" <readandpost@REMOVETHISyahoo.com> wrote in
message

news:A98Ka.109221$Xl.2092045@twister.rdc-kc.rr.com...

>

> i will never be recovered..............................

My name is Mias and I am an alcoholic
I did not realize that there was a way not to drink until I went to AA. I
had relapse upon relapse before going there. It is now 15 years since my
last drink and I try to go to my local AA group on a weekly basis. When
there is newcomers and I see myself again in them it brings me back to
earth. It is also nice to see them grow and what they do to recover. I never
realised how little I knew about living until I stopped drinking and
following the steps helped me to learn about living. Yesterday my wife gave
a talk on alcoholism and drugs at our local church for teenagers. I was so
grateful that the message could be brought to them and that perhaps a few
might not suffer as much as I did because of that message. We could not say
that we are members of Alcoholics Anonymous but that did not stop a very
strong message from getting over. I sat at the back and cried silently, from
gratitude, for this big change in my hometown. It is a glorious walk this
walk of ours and I remain eternally grateful to AA and God as I understand
him that I can be sober today and carry the message that there is hope and
life after the death of alcoholism.
Kind regards
Mias
"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:cktfqe$82v$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> "The moment 12th Step work forms a group, a discovery is made - that
> most individuals cannot recover unless there is a group"
>
> (Extract from page 9 "As Bill Sees it)
>
> I went to my first AA meeting in 1994 after my doctor had suggested
> that I might find such meetings helpful. I went to only one because I
> took offence to something someone said to me afterwards and this led
> me to decide to not have anything more to do "those people".
>
> When I went to that meeting, I had previously sought help to quit
> drinking for good from doctors, a councillor from our local alcohol
> and drug rehabilitation service and a community psychiatric nurse.
> When I turned my back on AA I decided that if I exercised my willpower
> at all times that I desired a drink, then I'd be able to not drink
> again. By doing this I was for several years able to not drink.
> During those years, I did not appreciate that recovery from alcoholism
> is not achieved while the minds of those who suffer from it remain
> capable of allowing them to believe that it's OK for them to drink:
>
> "The main problem of the alcoholic centers in his mind
> ...............) (Alcoholics Anonymous, page 23)
>
> In 2002, I began to think that having not had a drink for almost 8
> years, I had proved myself able to control my drinking and therefore
> if I drank again I'd find it easy to stay in control of it. It did
> not take me long to find out that that thinking was wrong thinking.
>
> In June 2003, I again decided to quit drinking and to again seek help
> to stay off booze. Within a few weeks, I became willing to go back to
> AA meetings. When I discovered that the group I had left 10 years ago
> was still going, I chose as my first meeting one of its. There I saw
> people who had been at the meeting I had attended 10 years earlier.
> From them and others I heard many recovery-related messages that gave
> me hope that one day I could find myself with a life that alcohol
> played no part in, that was infinitely better than the life I was used
> to living. Now, I've been to that group's meetings almost every week
> for over a year.
>
> I do not know if it is true that "most individuals cannot recover
> (from alcoholism) unless there is a group". However, I know that my
> AA group has enabled me to make progress towards achieving this. Has
> yours done the same for you ?
>
>
>

"Fred Exley" <fexly221@msn.com> wrote in message
news:10n5aglrpqq88d2@corp.supernews.com...
>
> "Dan McGown" <dmcgown@adelphia.net> wrote in message
> news:mtWdnSp0v_Fp7u_cRVn-hg@adelphia.com...
> >> I do not know if it is true that "most individuals cannot recover
> >> (from alcoholism) unless there is a group". However, I know that
my
> >> AA group has enabled me to make progress towards achieving this.
Has
> >> yours done the same for you ?
> >
> > JB,
> >
> > I have a lot of mixed feelings about meetings but they
do help
> > me when I feel that "old feeling."

<snip>

> > Meetings have not (or at least not yet, perhaps) had that
> > "coming home" feeling for me that I have heard some others
describe.
> > Mostly, I just enjoy the freedom in all of the rest of my life
that I have
> > from being liberated from drinking. The meetings, like working
the steps
> > and reading the Big Book, are the tools available to me to keep
that
> > freedom.

<snip>

> > Dan
>
> Yours is pretty much my m.o. too Dan. What's working most for me
now is
> keeping focused on what I can do now, and doing it, rather than
looking back
> or down.
>
> -Fred

Many years ago, Dr Silkworth, who worked as a doctor who tried to help
problem drinkers overcome their problem, said for "chronic
alcoholics":

"Frothy emotional appeal seldom suffices. The message which can
interest and hold these alcoholic people must have depth and weight".
(Alcoholics Anonymous, 3rd ed, page xxvi)

I believe there is truth in what he said.

JB

* Chronic alcoholics are people who are unable to stay in control of
their drinking once they've consumed alcohol.

mias,
thank you for getting my day started with such
gratitude....................you are a wonderful addition to this
little newsgroup of ours!
rosie












"Mias" <emiasno@spamnetactive.co.za> wrote in message
news:ckveja$m42$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
: My name is Mias and I am an alcoholic
: I did not realize that there was a way not to drink until I went
to AA. I
: had relapse upon relapse before going there. It is now 15 years
since my
: last drink and I try to go to my local AA group on a weekly basis.
When
: there is newcomers and I see myself again in them it brings me
back to
: earth. It is also nice to see them grow and what they do to
recover. I never
: realised how little I knew about living until I stopped drinking
and
: following the steps helped me to learn about living. Yesterday my
wife gave
: a talk on alcoholism and drugs at our local church for teenagers.
I was so
: grateful that the message could be brought to them and that
perhaps a few
: might not suffer as much as I did because of that message. We
could not say
: that we are members of Alcoholics Anonymous but that did not stop
a very
: strong message from getting over. I sat at the back and cried
silently, from
: gratitude, for this big change in my hometown. It is a glorious
walk this
: walk of ours and I remain eternally grateful to AA and God as I
understand
: him that I can be sober today and carry the message that there is
hope and
: life after the death of alcoholism.
: Kind regards
: Mias
:

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:cktfqe$82v$1@newsg3.svr.pol.co.uk...
> "The moment 12th Step work forms a group, a discovery is made - that
> most individuals cannot recover unless there is a group"
>
> (Extract from page 9 "As Bill Sees it)

Bill Wilson did acid.

Peaceful gatherings are illegal. AA groups are violent corrupt groups
only gathering to obtain wealth and power.
Only with the legalization of cannabis will there begin to be a
diminishment of the sufferings of alcoholism the christian jew cop
government has imposed on the police states.

Exterminate the christian jew cop supreme court.

JB wrote:

> "J" <welshalky@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4172cbb0@news.greennet.net...
> <snip>
>
>>I feel as though I'm just exercising the same willpower as I did in
>>my previous sobriety.
>
> <snip>
>
>>J
>>
>
> Hi J,
>
> Even though I'm happy to accept AA teachings about what alcoholism is
> and what can be done to recover from it, if I wanted to drink again, I
> would. In AA I have heard nothing that has caused me to believe that
> I no longer have the ability to make choices.
>
> ATB
>
> JB

Then go and try having a few drinks and stopping. Try it a few times.
You will soon find out if you have a choice.

Bob, are you saying that AA did you no good? Would you not recommend it? I
am new here, in need of help. thank you.

"Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
news:2tgmh0F1us7gbU1@uni-berlin.de...
> Yes, after they kicked me out, I recovered.
>
> Bob.
>
> "I found that I had to exert every ounce of will and action to cut
> off these faulty emotional dependencies upon people, upon AA, indeed,
> upon any set of circumstances whatsoever. Then only could I be
> free" - Bill Wilson AA Grapevine, January 1958
>
>

"coyote" <koyoteee@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:q6udnYRXTIqOFencRVn-oA@rogers.com...
> Bob, are you saying that AA did you no good? Would you not
> recommend it? I
> am new here, in need of help. thank you.


Coyote, often, in retrospect, I feel I got sober despite app four
years of AA attendance. They do have a pathetic track record, but so
did I. At least AA meetings, then coffee shops after the meetings,
were a social alternative to bars, until I learned how to live.

However, one thing I am sure of is how specific actions involved in
taking the 12 steps http://anonpress.org/bb/Page_59.htm altered my
psyche to the point I recovered, to live comfortably through success,
and adversity, without any further need at all of the alcohol that
was, for almost half a century, both my lover, and my tormenter.

Bob

AA is the cuase of most of the misery in the police states.

I can only hope for a civil war so I can legally kill the alcoholic bums
who betray the US constituttion and the Bill of Rights.

Exterminate the Jew Government

"coyote" <koyoteee@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:q6udnYRXTIqOFencRVn-oA@rogers.com...
> Bob, are you saying that AA did you no good? Would you not recommend
it? I
> am new here, in need of help. thank you.
>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in message
> news:2tgmh0F1us7gbU1@uni-berlin.de...
> > Yes, after they kicked me out, I recovered.
> >
> > Bob.
> >
> > "I found that I had to exert every ounce of will and action to cut
> > off these faulty emotional dependencies upon people, upon AA,
indeed,
> > upon any set of circumstances whatsoever. Then only could I be
> > free" - Bill Wilson AA Grapevine, January 1958
> >
> >
>