Hey,

I was sober for about eight months. Now I find myself back at
the point of drinking about 12 beers a night.

Was in detox twice, rehab once. Why is it that I keep doing
this to myself? I know it's killing me... but still continue.

I don't want to end up back in rehab, even though the food was
good.


-Prop Rod

"Prop Rod" <proprod1@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:5geum0llcheisl1qc3ed0eugelfnp4lifb@4ax.com...
> Hey,
>
> I was sober for about eight months. Now I find myself back at
> the point of drinking about 12 beers a night.
>
> Was in detox twice, rehab once. Why is it that I keep doing
> this to myself? I know it's killing me... but still continue.
>
> I don't want to end up back in rehab, even though the food was
> good.
>
>
> -Prop Rod

Well, shucks. Sorry to hear of your relapse. I'm up to almost three months
dry, and so far have no desire to drink again. What made you pick up that
first drink after eight months?

-Fred

"Prop Rod" <proprod1@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:5geum0llcheisl1qc3ed0eugelfnp4lifb@4ax.com...
> Hey,
>
> I was sober for about eight months. Now I find myself back at
> the point of drinking about 12 beers a night.
>
> Was in detox twice, rehab once. Why is it that I keep doing
> this to myself? I know it's killing me... but still continue.
>
> I don't want to end up back in rehab, even though the food was
> good.
>
>
> -Prop Rod
>

Well Rod
You keep doing this to yourself because--now brace yourself--you are
probably an alcoholic like I am. Only you can tell this for sure about
yourself--but you is waddlin' and quackin' and you is probably a duck.
Last time you where here around Aug(?) it was suggested to you to check out
AA.
Did you?
Would you?
Could you?
What you have been doing before by definition has not worked. Time to
regroup and try something different if you want a different outcome. You
keep going out scouting and coming back with arrows in your back.
Peace
John

Prop Rod wrote:
>
> Hey,
>
> I was sober for about eight months. Now I find myself back at
> the point of drinking about 12 beers a night.
>
> Was in detox twice, rehab once. Why is it that I keep doing
> this to myself? I know it's killing me... but still continue.

By your own definition, it's because you're an alcoholic, actively
proving step 1.

The good news, if it hasn't been too long, is that it might be possible
for you to get sober without a medical detox. More good news, you're
honest enough and open enough to admit alcohol's kicking your ass
again. The next step I'd suggest is to get to a meeting, and to try and
do that part reasonably sober, and most importantly, reach out to
others. That's the easiest part and here's a simple set of instructions
for it:

1) look at someone in the eyes, and introduce yourself...
2) hold out hand. Don't worry if it's shaking before someone grabs it.
They'll know what to do next.

>
> I don't want to end up back in rehab, even though the food was
> good.

A good cookbook solves the latter and might even turn into a good hobby.

"Joe Jared" <joejared@oretek.com> wrote in message
news:416F5BD8.F138825A@oretek.com...
> Prop Rod wrote:
>>
>> Hey,
>>
>> I was sober for about eight months. Now I find myself
>> back at
>> the point of drinking about 12 beers a night.
>>
>> Was in detox twice, rehab once. Why is it that I keep
>> doing
>> this to myself? I know it's killing me... but still continue.
>
> By your own definition, it's because you're an alcoholic, actively
> proving step 1.
>
> The good news, if it hasn't been too long, is that it might be
> possible
> for you to get sober without a medical detox. More good news,
> you're
> honest enough and open enough to admit alcohol's kicking your ass
> again. The next step I'd suggest is to get to a meeting, and to
> try and
> do that part reasonably sober, and most importantly, reach out to
> others. That's the easiest part and here's a simple set of
> instructions
> for it:
>
> 1) look at someone in the eyes, and introduce yourself...
> 2) hold out hand. Don't worry if it's shaking before someone grabs
> it.
> They'll know what to do next.
>

"They'll know what to do next. "

Jeez, you're slightly less than humble about your collective selves,
aren't you.

Judging by AA's own statistics, if "They" is a typical AAer, "They"
will only be attending that meeting in between drinks anyway.

If that hand of AA reaches out to shake Rod's hand, it may be wise to
count his fingers, before "they" leave the building.

Bob.

(AA Around Australia. Spring Edition No 90. October 1994)
"A well conducted professional study," (page19) that showed "some 5%
of newcomers are still attending meetings after 12 months. This is a
truly terrible statistic". (page 2)

"Prop Rod" <proprod1@netzero.net> wrote in message
news:5geum0llcheisl1qc3ed0eugelfnp4lifb@4ax.com...
> Hey,
>
> I was sober for about eight months. Now I find myself back at
> the point of drinking about 12 beers a night.
>
> Was in detox twice, rehab once. Why is it that I keep doing
> this to myself? I know it's killing me... but still continue.

OK. Your mind tells you that it's OK for you to drink and, maybe,
that when you do that you'll be able to control how much you drink.
You have a body that reacts abnormally to alcohol.

Now, if you want to stop getting drunk, the first thing you need to do
is to not drink. Practice not drinking for no more than 24 hours at a
time and when that 24 hours is up, immediately start another. If you
can't manage to not drink for 24 hours, it's OK to not drink for a
much shorter period of time and when that period is up to immediately
start another of the same length. Since I quit drinking in June
2003, at times, I've had to work at not drinking on a fifteen minute
cycle.

If after stopping drinking, you work a recovery programme that's
designed to help those who work it to stop believing that it's OK for
them to drink and, maybe to eventually, come to no longer think about
having a drink maybe in time you'll find yourself no longer having
any desire to drink alcohol.

Before wishing you well, I'll just say that many folk have found the
solution to their problem drinking in the Fellowship of AA and AA's
recovery programme (ie its 12 Steps). Maybe you could also.

I wish you well.

JB

"It works if you work it so work it because you're worth it" - an AA
saying

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:cko187$rlb$1@news5.svr.pol.co.uk...

<snip>
> Before wishing you well, I'll just say that many folk have found the
> solution to their problem drinking in the Fellowship of AA and AA's
> recovery programme (ie its 12 Steps). Maybe you could also.
>
> I wish you well.
>
> JB
>
> "It works if you work it so work it because you're worth it" - an AA
> saying
>
PS: I should have also said that maybe your doctor could prescibe
something that might make it easier for you to cope with your body's
physical reaction to the withdrawal of alcohol, I think it possible
that you may know know more about meds that could help with this
aspect of recovery than I do.

JB

"Prop Rod" <proprod1@netzero.net> wrote in message
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:
: I was sober for about eight months. Now I find myself back at
: the point of drinking about 12 beers a night.
:................. Why is it that I keep doing
: this to myself?


yours is a perfect example of INSANITY.............the insanity of
alcoholism, where we keep doing the same things and expecting
different results.

i remember before i quit for the final time, wondering how and why
my "best laid plans, for controlled drinking, always took me back to
the UNcontrolled drinking".
it was only after finding something (AA) that i was able to quit
successfully, and stay quit. (1982)

you were sober for eight months..............what did you STOP
doing?
what changed?

welcome back, and thanks for your honesty!

Robert McGregor wrote:
>
> "Joe Jared" <joejared@oretek.com> wrote in message
> news:416F5BD8.F138825A@oretek.com...
> > Prop Rod wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey,
> >>
> >> I was sober for about eight months. Now I find myself
> >> back at
> >> the point of drinking about 12 beers a night.
> >>
> >> Was in detox twice, rehab once. Why is it that I keep
> >> doing
> >> this to myself? I know it's killing me... but still continue.
> >
> > By your own definition, it's because you're an alcoholic, actively
> > proving step 1.
> >
> > The good news, if it hasn't been too long, is that it might be
> > possible
> > for you to get sober without a medical detox. More good news,
> > you're
> > honest enough and open enough to admit alcohol's kicking your ass
> > again. The next step I'd suggest is to get to a meeting, and to
> > try and
> > do that part reasonably sober, and most importantly, reach out to
> > others. That's the easiest part and here's a simple set of
> > instructions
> > for it:
> >
> > 1) look at someone in the eyes, and introduce yourself...
> > 2) hold out hand. Don't worry if it's shaking before someone grabs
> > it.
> > They'll know what to do next.
> >
>
> "They'll know what to do next. "
>
> Jeez, you're slightly less than humble about your collective selves,
> aren't you.

No matter what a person says, someone will be adversarial about it.

> Judging by AA's own statistics, if "They" is a typical AAer, "They"
> will only be attending that meeting in between drinks anyway.

It's fairly easy to identify the winners in the program, for the most
part. I have an appreciation for newcommers simply because they serve
as a reminder from where I came.

>
> If that hand of AA reaches out to shake Rod's hand, it may be wise to
> count his fingers, before "they" leave the building.

I'm sure you can quote higher statistics for recovery homes/rehabs? My
first sponsor's sponsor, in the mid 80's had something to say about
statistics...

1 in 30 alcoholics dies sober.... He responded, "Those are terrible
odds!"... Don't worry about the odds, just be that 1.

"Joe Jared" <joejared@oretek.com> wrote in message
news:4170BA4A.C10ACB0C@oretek.com...
> Robert McGregor wrote:
>>
>> "Joe Jared" <joejared@oretek.com> wrote in message
>> news:416F5BD8.F138825A@oretek.com...
>> > Prop Rod wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hey,
>> >>
>> >> I was sober for about eight months. Now I find myself
>> >> back at
>> >> the point of drinking about 12 beers a night.
>> >>
>> >> Was in detox twice, rehab once. Why is it that I keep
>> >> doing
>> >> this to myself? I know it's killing me... but still continue.
>> >
>> > By your own definition, it's because you're an alcoholic,
>> > actively
>> > proving step 1.
>> >
>> > The good news, if it hasn't been too long, is that it might be
>> > possible
>> > for you to get sober without a medical detox. More good news,
>> > you're
>> > honest enough and open enough to admit alcohol's kicking your
>> > ass
>> > again. The next step I'd suggest is to get to a meeting, and to
>> > try and
>> > do that part reasonably sober, and most importantly, reach out
>> > to
>> > others. That's the easiest part and here's a simple set of
>> > instructions
>> > for it:
>> >
>> > 1) look at someone in the eyes, and introduce yourself...
>> > 2) hold out hand. Don't worry if it's shaking before someone
>> > grabs
>> > it.
>> > They'll know what to do next.
>> >
>>
>> "They'll know what to do next. "
>>
>> Jeez, you're slightly less than humble about your collective
>> selves,
>> aren't you.
>
> No matter what a person says, someone will be adversarial about it.

If you always write crap like that, I guess you would always find
someone may be adversarial

Bob