I am fairly new to AA. I use to like going to meetings much more then
today. Many people in the rooms talk shit on people who share and call
them cry babys. I am getting sick of that in problem and discusion
meetings. What are they there for if not to help the newcomer get
through some crap. All many of them do is talk about how great there
life's are with thier big houses and fancy cars. I think if there was
an ass hole annonomous many people in my AA rooms would be in
attendence. I need a place that I can vent and hear what other new
comers are going through. Any suggestions?

-Chris

"macster" <macsterx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:051020042322389697%macsterx@hotmail.com...
>I am fairly new to AA. I use to like going to meetings much more then
> today. Many people in the rooms talk shit on people who share and call
> them cry babys. I am getting sick of that in problem and discusion
> meetings. What are they there for if not to help the newcomer get
> through some crap. All many of them do is talk about how great there
> life's are with thier big houses and fancy cars. I think if there was
> an ass hole annonomous many people in my AA rooms would be in
> attendence. I need a place that I can vent and hear what other new
> comers are going through. Any suggestions?
>
> -Chris

Last July 31 I posted here similar thoughts as you're feeling now. I got a
pretty good response too, which I'll cut and paste for you below. Now that
I've been sober 60 days I see people a lot differently, including myself
back then, and now. Yes, there are many real assholes who are full of shit
in A.A. meetings, but there are quite a few legitimate members too. Some
meeting places are worse than others, so if you're really uncomfortable
where you're going, try a different locale.

-Fred


from last July 31:

me:
Thanks, and I have been to many A.A. meetings here. The problem is, it
seems like everybody in these meetings has been sober for 80+ years, and so
don't seem to remember what the current hell is. There is not a roomfull of
support there. I mean it really -they're all beaming and happy and all, but
I don't see anybody interested in going beyond that level of superficiality.
The meetings adjourn, and everybody goes back to work Well, except for one
guy. I'll try calling him tomorrow.

.................................................. .................................................. ............



Bob:

Jeez, Fred. Maybe you're lucky. Possibly those working folk at your
local AA are real alcoholics that have learned to live in the
solution, instead of living in the problem.

Along with many I've seen at AA meetings, I've certainly noticed a
lot of online AAers purportedly "helping" by wallowing in the
problems of suffering alcoholics, in other words clinging to all that
miserable negative shit, to the certain detriment of focus on a
solution.

Are you sure you haven't been sub-consciously trying to drag them
down into your needless despair? When I attended AA, it did not take
long before I quickly avoided anyone that tried to get me wallowing
in their unnecessary shit.

If you're into reading at all, I found invaluable a book by a fellow
called Chuck C. called "A New Pair Of Glasses." It's available at
Amazon:- http://tinyurl.com/4vyko I didn't have to buy into Chuck's
religion, (or, for that matter gossip I've heard of his sexuality)
but I sure related to his attitude.

macster wrote:
>
> I am fairly new to AA. I use to like going to meetings much more then
> today. Many people in the rooms talk shit on people who share and call
> them cry babys. I am getting sick of that in problem and discusion
> meetings. What are they there for if not to help the newcomer get
> through some crap. All many of them do is talk about how great there
> life's are with thier big houses and fancy cars. I think if there was
> an ass hole annonomous many people in my AA rooms would be in
> attendence. I need a place that I can vent and hear what other new
> comers are going through. Any suggestions?


Yes. Page 552 worked for me, and staying clear of cliques who have
nothing better to do than character assasinate others. It can also
serve as a tool to ask yourself, am I doing what they're doing? Am I
being supportive of others, or am I also bad mouthing others behind
their backs? I've also found AA to be a friendlier place if I stay away
from "private" conversations around others, especially when they want to
talk about someone else.

"macster" <macsterx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:051020042322389697%macsterx@hotmail.com...
: I am fairly new to AA. I use to like going to meetings much more
then
: today. Many people in the rooms talk shit on people who share and
call
: them cry babys.

have you looked around for other meetings?
perhaps a meeting that isn't full of folks who "talk shit" and "call
names"?




I am getting sick of that in problem and discusion
: meetings. What are they there for if not to help the newcomer get
: through some crap. All many of them do is talk about how great
there
: life's are with thier big houses and fancy cars. I think if there
was
: an ass hole annonomous many people in my AA rooms would be in
: attendence. I need a place that I can vent and hear what other
new
: comers are going through. Any suggestions?
:
: -Chris

"macster" <macsterx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:051020042322389697%macsterx@hotmail.com...
> I am fairly new to AA. I use to like going to meetings much more then
> today. Many people in the rooms talk shit on people who share and
call
> them cry babys. I am getting sick of that in problem and discusion
> meetings. What are they there for if not to help the newcomer get
> through some crap. All many of them do is talk about how great there
> life's are with thier big houses and fancy cars. I think if there was
> an ass hole annonomous many people in my AA rooms would be in
> attendence. I need a place that I can vent and hear what other new
> comers are going through. Any suggestions?
>
> -Chris

Tell your elected politicians to get the hell out of running peoples
lives.

Peaceful gatherings should not be illegal.

We need a civil war to legally kill people who are destroying freedom.

Vaporize the christian jew cop supreme court.

"macster" <macsterx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:051020042322389697%macsterx@hotmail.com...
> I am fairly new to AA. I use to like going to meetings much more
then
> today. Many people in the rooms talk shit on people who share and
call
> them cry babys. I am getting sick of that in problem and discusion
> meetings. What are they there for if not to help the newcomer get
> through some crap. All many of them do is talk about how great
there
> life's are with thier big houses and fancy cars. I think if there
was
> an ass hole annonomous many people in my AA rooms would be in
> attendence. I need a place that I can vent and hear what other new
> comers are going through. Any suggestions?
>
> -Chris

Hi Chris,

If you are not saying what you want to say because you think people
will not approve of what you say, then you are allowing others to
control your life and maybe one day you'll resent this and come to
use that resentment as an excuse to drink again. I speak from
experience.

If you stay quiet, do you think it possible that you will stand no
chance of hearing anything that might be helpful to you ?

Your comment about "cry babies" reminded me that when I joined this NG
seeking advice on how to stay off booze and support, I posted messages
that left some in no doubt that I wasn't taking on board the
guidance/suggestions on how I could move forward in recovery that they
were giving me. Only when someone had the balls to tell me to stop
whining and laying the blame for my drinking on everyone (other than
myself) and life in general and to start working AA's 12 Step
programme, did it finally dawn on me that I hadn't been taking on
board the advice I had been given and that if I truly wanted to
recover from my alcoholism, I had to start doing what it had been
suggested I do.

Some 16 months after having had my last drink I am happy to tell
you - for I know it to be true - that it was right for me to months
ago give up laying the blame for my drinking on everyone (other than
myself) and life in general and to also start working the Steps.

ATB

JB

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote in message
news:ck164h$nq7$1@newsg4.svr.pol.co.uk...
>
> "macster" <macsterx@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:051020042322389697%macsterx@hotmail.com...
> > I am fairly new to AA. I use to like going to meetings much more
> then
> > today. Many people in the rooms talk shit on people who share and
> call
> > them cry babys. I am getting sick of that in problem and discusion
> > meetings. What are they there for if not to help the newcomer get
> > through some crap. All many of them do is talk about how great
> there
> > life's are with thier big houses and fancy cars. I think if there
> was
> > an ass hole annonomous many people in my AA rooms would be in
> > attendence. I need a place that I can vent and hear what other new
> > comers are going through. Any suggestions?
> >
> > -Chris
>
> Hi Chris,
>
> If you are not saying what you want to say because you think people
> will not approve of what you say, then you are allowing others to
> control your life and maybe one day you'll resent this and come to
> use that resentment as an excuse to drink again. I speak from
> experience.
>
> If you stay quiet, do you think it possible that you will stand no
> chance of hearing anything that might be helpful to you ?
>
> Your comment about "cry babies" reminded me that when I joined this NG
> seeking advice on how to stay off booze and support, I posted messages
> that left some in no doubt that I wasn't taking on board the
> guidance/suggestions on how I could move forward in recovery that they
> were giving me. Only when someone had the balls to tell me to stop
> whining and laying the blame for my drinking on everyone (other than
> myself) and life in general and to start working AA's 12 Step
> programme, did it finally dawn on me that I hadn't been taking on
> board the advice I had been given and that if I truly wanted to
> recover from my alcoholism, I had to start doing what it had been
> suggested I do.
>
> Some 16 months after having had my last drink I am happy to tell
> you - for I know it to be true - that it was right for me to months
> ago give up laying the blame for my drinking on everyone (other than
> myself) and life in general and to also start working the Steps.

Fuck the steps.
They are only suggestions.

I am 21 years sober.

I found that alot of the people I had problems with while drinking were
the same people in AA. I was kidnapped and drugged by George Bush and
the secret service. I still have a microchip in my back and cannot make
any money to hire a lawyer and get medical attention.

Alcoholics run the country and all I can do is hope for a civil war so I
can legally kill people who seek to destroy the rights my family ensured
to me 228 years ago when they kicked the tyrants out of the country.
Only the modern government has perverted freedom to force religion on US
all. Islam would not be a threat if it were not for deluded psychopaths
hallucinating angels and ghosts pushing god.

CIIVL WAR 2004

Dem Feckers wrote:
>
> > Some 16 months after having had my last drink I am happy to tell
> > you - for I know it to be true - that it was right for me to months
> > ago give up laying the blame for my drinking on everyone (other than
> > myself) and life in general and to also start working the Steps.
>
> Fuck the steps.
> They are only suggestions.
>
> I am 21 years sober.
>
> I found that alot of the people I had problems with while drinking were
> the same people in AA. I was kidnapped and drugged by George Bush and
> the secret service. I still have a microchip in my back and cannot make
> any money to hire a lawyer and get medical attention.


This is the biggest endorsement of the steps I've ever seen. Thanks.

In article <4164479F.89378EE4@oretek.com>, Joe Jared
<joejared@oretek.com> wrote:

> Dem Feckers wrote:
> >
> > > Some 16 months after having had my last drink I am happy to tell
> > > you - for I know it to be true - that it was right for me to months
> > > ago give up laying the blame for my drinking on everyone (other than
> > > myself) and life in general and to also start working the Steps.
> >
> > Fuck the steps.
> > They are only suggestions.
> >
> > I am 21 years sober.
> >
> > I found that alot of the people I had problems with while drinking were
> > the same people in AA. I was kidnapped and drugged by George Bush and
> > the secret service. I still have a microchip in my back and cannot make
> > any money to hire a lawyer and get medical attention.
>
>
> This is the biggest endorsement of the steps I've ever seen. Thanks.


lol

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The funny thing is that I, personally, have never been the subject of
the cross talk. At least that I know of. But it angers me to hear them
condem someone's share that has two days sobriety, who they called on
to share, because they mentioned they used drugs too. "Keep your
shares on the topic of AA" barks the trusted serveants. "Sit down,
Shut up and Listen". Great don't call on me when I already identified
as a newcomer. Most of the time the newcomers I have met would rather
not share most of the time as it were. Burning desires aside I think
they should let them absorb some of the proram. Especially when they
talk only of how they spent the last three days at the shhoting range
and then polished up his new mercedes while he ate peeled grapes from
the hands of the twins who do the coors light comercials during half
time at the super bowl. I am glad they are doing so well. That is
fantastic. But how is that on topic when an alcoholic that may have
done drugs but is a honest to god alcololic who hapened to try some
other substance now and again but has profesesd his desire to stop
drinking (the ony requirement for AA membership) is scolded for
bringing up drugs for a small fraction of their share. I have never
really done drugs. I was perfectly happy drowning my problems in a
tall bottle of vodka. I am not asking anyone to wallow in thier
haunted past but let's not forget where we came from and that we all
attended our first meeting at some point. I for one came too AA
because I had failed to quit drinking on my own. I needed the
"felowship" I had heard about in AA. I am strugling with the spiritual
aspect of the program and the fellowship has been less than
unconditional.

I also have a responsability to praise the many in the program who
have been of great service and have had a big part in my sobriety so
far. For those individuals I am in such gratitude I can not express.
I am glad I found them or they found me because the probably saved my
life. I find AA on a whole to be a great propgram and if you are
reading this and are discouraged at all by my rant please don't be. I
am very fortunate to have had the obscession lifted from the gate when
I joined AA. Plese don't think I am not happy with the institution of
AAas a whole. I just need to take the good leave the bad and take it
one day at a time. I have accomplished much just by writing it down.
An alcoholic has no place for anger or resentments and this outlet has
truely been a great release.

-Chris

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