Former Alcoholics from Ayrshire in Scotland Welcome American Addiction
Expert Stanton Peele's New Book on Recovery

Two former alcoholics, Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald, a married couple
living in Ayrshire, Scotland, have warmly welcomed the publication of
a new book written by social psychologist Dr. Stanton Peele called 7
Tools to Beat Addiction.

In his latest book, addiction expert Dr. Peele once again explodes the
myth, prevalent in the United States and becoming more so elsewhere in
the world, that alcoholism, drug abuse and other addictions are a
disease which is bio-genetic in origin, and for which addicts must
seek medical treatment or join a support group like Alcoholics
Anonymous.

Dr Peele argues that addiction is not a disease, nor is it limited to
alcohol or to drugs - it can include, for instance food, shopping and
sex. He maintains that addiction is a pattern of dysfunctional
behaviour and experience that is best understood by examining an
individual's relationship with his or her world. Rather than a
disease, it is a manifestation of lack of skills for coping with life
– a lack that can and should be addressed and rectified.

The book then proceeds to list and describe seven tools, Values,
Motivation, Rewards, Resources, Support, Maturity, Higher Goals. These
are the tools that will empower addicts to outgrow destructive habits
by putting together the building blocks for a balanced, fulfilling,
and responsible life.

Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald said today: "We welcome the publication
of Dr Peele's new book "7 Steps to Beat Addiction", not least because
once again he debunks the myth that alcoholism and other addictions
are a disease. He goes on to quote American government-backed
statistics that prove that most addicts recover, and that the majority
of those that recover moreover do so without any medical treatment and
without the help of Alcoholics Anonymous or other 12-Step programmes."

Scottish couple Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald are two former alcoholics
who have recovered so completely that they now not only lead normal
lives again, but are also able to drink in a perfectly safe and
sociable manner once more. They are building two websites to help
others do the same, and criticise Alcoholics Anonymous for being a
quasi-religious cult that has blocked and prevented progress in the
field of treatment of alcoholism for the past seventy years.

Many alcoholics CAN recover and drink safely again, if and when they
so wish, say Lilian and Murdoch.

This diametrically contradicts the teaching of Alcoholics Anonymous,
and of many alcoholism treatment centres throughout the world. But
Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald of Ayr in Scotland believe that the
12-step programme of lifelong sobriety is not the solution to
alcoholism, as it only treats the symptoms and not the causes of the
problem, and is merely a damage-limitation exercise.

Lilian and Murdoch argue that alcoholism, like other self-harming
disorders including bulimia, anorexia and self-mutilation, is a
behaviour problem, not a disease, often stemming from problems
experienced in childhood. And if these problems can be identified and
properly addressed, then the problem behaviour can be cured.

And Lilian and Murdoch have just completed the first draft of a book
about their experiences, and will shortly start looking for a suitable
publisher.

The couple also criticise the private clinics that have jumped upon
the AA bandwagon and peddle the 12-step philosophy at an average cost
of £3,000 per week in the UK for a typical stay of 5-6 weeks.

They agree with Stanton Peele, who says, "The medical establishment
has come to recognize the financial and other advantages of
piggybacking on the AA movement, as have many recovering alcoholics.
AA members frequently make counselling careers out of their
recoveries. They and the treatment centres then benefit from
third-party reimbursement. In a recent survey of 15 treatment centres
across the US, researcher Marie Bourbine-Twohig found that all of the
centres (90 percent of which were residential) practiced the 12-step
philosophy, and two-thirds of all counsellors in the facilities were
recovering alcoholics and addicts."

Lilian concludes, "When our ideas about alcoholism - of which we are
the living proof - gain more acceptance worldwide, and if more
government money is put into preventative measures, not only will
alcoholics stand a greater chance of getting back to normality, but we
will also have taken the first step towards ensuring that alcoholism
can be stamped out altogether."

Dr. Stanton Peele's new book "7 Tools to Beat Addiction" is published
tomorrow, Tuesday, 27 July by Three Rivers Press, an imprint of Random
House ($14.00). See Web links below.

STANTON PEELE
Stanton Peele PhD, JD is a psychologist and lawyer who is recognised
as a leading expert in the addiction field. He is an adjunct professor
at the New York University School of Social Work and a senior fellow
at the Drug Policy Alliance.

Beginning in 1975 with the publication of Love and Addiction, he has
written a series of well-received books that forcefully present new
approaches to addiction. Dr. Peele's other books include Diseasing of
America and The Truth About Addiction and Recovery. As interest in
alternative approaches to addiction has grown, more and more books
appear that refer to his work.

Dr. Peele has received the Mark Keller Award from the Rutgers Center
of Alcohol Studies and the lifetime scholarship award from the Drug
Policy Alliance. He lectures nationally and internationally and is
often called upon to comment on controversial developments in the
addiction arena. He also writes popular magazine and newspaper
articles, many of which have been reprinted in collections for college
students. He maintains an active website, www.peele.net, in which he
answers questions about addiction from readers around the world.

WEB LINKS:

Information about "7 Tools to Beat Addiction" on Stanton Peele's
website:

http://www.peele.net/7tools/index.html

Random House

http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/d...sbn=1400048737

Amazon

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...87362?v=glance

Amazon UK

http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...036468-1904645

LILIAN AND MURDOCH MACDONALD'S WEB LINKS:

Community websites

http://groups.msn.com/Alcoholicsdont...stayonthewagon

http://groups.msn.com/AlcoholicsCanDrinkSafelyAgain

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...nkSafelyAgain/

Main website in course of construction

http://www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com

Other links

http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/6/prweb130243.htm

http://www.pressbox.co.uk/Detailed/15000.html

http://www.pr-scotland.com/releases/040409-02.htm

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group.../message/83505

http://groups.msn.com/Alcoholicsdont.../general.msnw?

http://www.pr-scotland.com/releases/040726-01.htm

http://www.pressbox.co.uk/Detailed/16150.html

"Alcocure" <alcocure@aol.com> wrote in message
news:39516dcd.0410011254.6bdcfb0c@posting.google.c om...
> And Lilian and Murdoch have just completed the first draft of a book
> about their experiences, and will shortly start looking for a
suitable
> publisher.
>
> The couple also criticise the private clinics that have jumped upon
> the AA bandwagon and peddle the 12-step philosophy at an average
cost
> of £3,000 per week in the UK for a typical stay of 5-6 weeks.
>
> They agree with Stanton Peele, who says, "The medical establishment
> has come to recognize the financial and other advantages of
> piggybacking on the AA movement, as have many recovering alcoholics.
> AA members frequently make counselling careers out of their
> recoveries.

Meanwhile, dear Mr Peele offers his services (and books) for free:

http://www.peele.net/coaching/index.html

and from: http://www.peele.net/faq/nursing.html

"As a starter, you could commission me to write a letter attacking
their actions (a) on a therapeutic basis (reviewing data of your case
and in general about how this requirement is irrational and not
justified by the evidence), (b) on legal grounds (as per point 4
above). I'll write such a letter, with a follow-up, for $500. If you
want/need to pursue (3) above, we can work out a flat fee for my
assistance, which you might also try to do with your local attorney,
as opposed to an hourly rate. If/when you win, the attorney can then
apply to the Court to seek his and my fees from the nursing
organization.".

-------

JB :^)





They and the treatment centres then benefit from
> third-party reimbursement. In a recent survey of 15 treatment
centres
> across the US, researcher Marie Bourbine-Twohig found that all of
the
> centres (90 percent of which were residential) practiced the 12-step
> philosophy, and two-thirds of all counsellors in the facilities were
> recovering alcoholics and addicts."
>
> Lilian concludes, "When our ideas about alcoholism - of which we are
> the living proof - gain more acceptance worldwide, and if more
> government money is put into preventative measures, not only will
> alcoholics stand a greater chance of getting back to normality, but
we
> will also have taken the first step towards ensuring that alcoholism
> can be stamped out altogether."
>
> Dr. Stanton Peele's new book "7 Tools to Beat Addiction" is
published
> tomorrow, Tuesday, 27 July by Three Rivers Press, an imprint of
Random
> House ($14.00). See Web links below.
>
> STANTON PEELE
> Stanton Peele PhD, JD is a psychologist and lawyer who is recognised
> as a leading expert in the addiction field. He is an adjunct
professor
> at the New York University School of Social Work and a senior fellow
> at the Drug Policy Alliance.
>
> Beginning in 1975 with the publication of Love and Addiction, he has
> written a series of well-received books that forcefully present new
> approaches to addiction. Dr. Peele's other books include Diseasing
of
> America and The Truth About Addiction and Recovery. As interest in
> alternative approaches to addiction has grown, more and more books
> appear that refer to his work.
>
> Dr. Peele has received the Mark Keller Award from the Rutgers Center
> of Alcohol Studies and the lifetime scholarship award from the Drug
> Policy Alliance. He lectures nationally and internationally and is
> often called upon to comment on controversial developments in the
> addiction arena. He also writes popular magazine and newspaper
> articles, many of which have been reprinted in collections for
college
> students. He maintains an active website, www.peele.net, in which he
> answers questions about addiction from readers around the world.
>
> WEB LINKS:
>
> Information about "7 Tools to Beat Addiction" on Stanton Peele's
> website:
>
> http://www.peele.net/7tools/index.html
>
> Random House
>
> http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/d...sbn=1400048737
>
> Amazon
>
>
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...87362?v=glance
>
> Amazon UK
>
>
http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...036468-1904645
>
> LILIAN AND MURDOCH MACDONALD'S WEB LINKS:
>
> Community websites
>
> http://groups.msn.com/Alcoholicsdont...stayonthewagon
>
> http://groups.msn.com/AlcoholicsCanDrinkSafelyAgain
>
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...nkSafelyAgain/
>
> Main website in course of construction
>
> http://www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com
>
> Other links
>
> http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/6/prweb130243.htm
>
> http://www.pressbox.co.uk/Detailed/15000.html
>
> http://www.pr-scotland.com/releases/040409-02.htm
>
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group.../message/83505
>
>
http://groups.msn.com/Alcoholicsdont.../general.msnw?
>
> http://www.pr-scotland.com/releases/040726-01.htm
>
> http://www.pressbox.co.uk/Detailed/16150.html

Hi Alcocure
Could you please enlighten me if, in America, an alcoholic following your
advise and tries to drink 'under control' or 'moderately' goes through
another cycle of binging and drinking, if they can sue your company for
damages?
I will see it in a very bad light if you do not answer this question in at
least as much detail as what you are using to sell your questionable
product.
Mias
"Alcocure" <alcocure@aol.com> wrote in message
news:39516dcd.0410011254.6bdcfb0c@posting.google.c om...
> Former Alcoholics from Ayrshire in Scotland Welcome American Addiction
> Expert Stanton Peele's New Book on Recovery
>
> Two former alcoholics, Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald, a married couple
> living in Ayrshire, Scotland, have warmly welcomed the publication of
> a new book written by social psychologist Dr. Stanton Peele called 7
> Tools to Beat Addiction.
>
> In his latest book, addiction expert Dr. Peele once again explodes the
> myth, prevalent in the United States and becoming more so elsewhere in
> the world, that alcoholism, drug abuse and other addictions are a
> disease which is bio-genetic in origin, and for which addicts must
> seek medical treatment or join a support group like Alcoholics
> Anonymous.
>
> Dr Peele argues that addiction is not a disease, nor is it limited to
> alcohol or to drugs - it can include, for instance food, shopping and
> sex. He maintains that addiction is a pattern of dysfunctional
> behaviour and experience that is best understood by examining an
> individual's relationship with his or her world. Rather than a
> disease, it is a manifestation of lack of skills for coping with life
> - a lack that can and should be addressed and rectified.
>
> The book then proceeds to list and describe seven tools, Values,
> Motivation, Rewards, Resources, Support, Maturity, Higher Goals. These
> are the tools that will empower addicts to outgrow destructive habits
> by putting together the building blocks for a balanced, fulfilling,
> and responsible life.
>
> Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald said today: "We welcome the publication
> of Dr Peele's new book "7 Steps to Beat Addiction", not least because
> once again he debunks the myth that alcoholism and other addictions
> are a disease. He goes on to quote American government-backed
> statistics that prove that most addicts recover, and that the majority
> of those that recover moreover do so without any medical treatment and
> without the help of Alcoholics Anonymous or other 12-Step programmes."
>
> Scottish couple Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald are two former alcoholics
> who have recovered so completely that they now not only lead normal
> lives again, but are also able to drink in a perfectly safe and
> sociable manner once more. They are building two websites to help
> others do the same, and criticise Alcoholics Anonymous for being a
> quasi-religious cult that has blocked and prevented progress in the
> field of treatment of alcoholism for the past seventy years.
>
> Many alcoholics CAN recover and drink safely again, if and when they
> so wish, say Lilian and Murdoch.
>
> This diametrically contradicts the teaching of Alcoholics Anonymous,
> and of many alcoholism treatment centres throughout the world. But
> Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald of Ayr in Scotland believe that the
> 12-step programme of lifelong sobriety is not the solution to
> alcoholism, as it only treats the symptoms and not the causes of the
> problem, and is merely a damage-limitation exercise.
>
> Lilian and Murdoch argue that alcoholism, like other self-harming
> disorders including bulimia, anorexia and self-mutilation, is a
> behaviour problem, not a disease, often stemming from problems
> experienced in childhood. And if these problems can be identified and
> properly addressed, then the problem behaviour can be cured.
>
> And Lilian and Murdoch have just completed the first draft of a book
> about their experiences, and will shortly start looking for a suitable
> publisher.
>
> The couple also criticise the private clinics that have jumped upon
> the AA bandwagon and peddle the 12-step philosophy at an average cost
> of £3,000 per week in the UK for a typical stay of 5-6 weeks.
>
> They agree with Stanton Peele, who says, "The medical establishment
> has come to recognize the financial and other advantages of
> piggybacking on the AA movement, as have many recovering alcoholics.
> AA members frequently make counselling careers out of their
> recoveries. They and the treatment centres then benefit from
> third-party reimbursement. In a recent survey of 15 treatment centres
> across the US, researcher Marie Bourbine-Twohig found that all of the
> centres (90 percent of which were residential) practiced the 12-step
> philosophy, and two-thirds of all counsellors in the facilities were
> recovering alcoholics and addicts."
>
> Lilian concludes, "When our ideas about alcoholism - of which we are
> the living proof - gain more acceptance worldwide, and if more
> government money is put into preventative measures, not only will
> alcoholics stand a greater chance of getting back to normality, but we
> will also have taken the first step towards ensuring that alcoholism
> can be stamped out altogether."
>
> Dr. Stanton Peele's new book "7 Tools to Beat Addiction" is published
> tomorrow, Tuesday, 27 July by Three Rivers Press, an imprint of Random
> House ($14.00). See Web links below.
>
> STANTON PEELE
> Stanton Peele PhD, JD is a psychologist and lawyer who is recognised
> as a leading expert in the addiction field. He is an adjunct professor
> at the New York University School of Social Work and a senior fellow
> at the Drug Policy Alliance.
>
> Beginning in 1975 with the publication of Love and Addiction, he has
> written a series of well-received books that forcefully present new
> approaches to addiction. Dr. Peele's other books include Diseasing of
> America and The Truth About Addiction and Recovery. As interest in
> alternative approaches to addiction has grown, more and more books
> appear that refer to his work.
>
> Dr. Peele has received the Mark Keller Award from the Rutgers Center
> of Alcohol Studies and the lifetime scholarship award from the Drug
> Policy Alliance. He lectures nationally and internationally and is
> often called upon to comment on controversial developments in the
> addiction arena. He also writes popular magazine and newspaper
> articles, many of which have been reprinted in collections for college
> students. He maintains an active website, www.peele.net, in which he
> answers questions about addiction from readers around the world.
>
> WEB LINKS:
>
> Information about "7 Tools to Beat Addiction" on Stanton Peele's
> website:
>
> http://www.peele.net/7tools/index.html
>
> Random House
>
> http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/d...sbn=1400048737
>
> Amazon
>
> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...87362?v=glance
>
> Amazon UK
>
> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...036468-1904645
>
> LILIAN AND MURDOCH MACDONALD'S WEB LINKS:
>
> Community websites
>
> http://groups.msn.com/Alcoholicsdont...stayonthewagon
>
> http://groups.msn.com/AlcoholicsCanDrinkSafelyAgain
>
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...nkSafelyAgain/
>
> Main website in course of construction
>
> http://www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com
>
> Other links
>
> http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/6/prweb130243.htm
>
> http://www.pressbox.co.uk/Detailed/15000.html
>
> http://www.pr-scotland.com/releases/040409-02.htm
>
> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group.../message/83505
>
> http://groups.msn.com/Alcoholicsdont.../general.msnw?
>
> http://www.pr-scotland.com/releases/040726-01.htm
>
> http://www.pressbox.co.uk/Detailed/16150.html

P.S. Or will his/her family be able to sue for loss of income after his/her
possible death?
"Mias" <emiasno@spamnetactive.co.za> wrote in message
news:cjl9ph$kqd$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
> Hi Alcocure
> Could you please enlighten me if, in America, an alcoholic following your
> advise and tries to drink 'under control' or 'moderately' goes through
> another cycle of binging and drinking, if they can sue your company for
> damages?
> I will see it in a very bad light if you do not answer this question in at
> least as much detail as what you are using to sell your questionable
> product.
> Mias
> "Alcocure" <alcocure@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:39516dcd.0410011254.6bdcfb0c@posting.google.c om...
>> Former Alcoholics from Ayrshire in Scotland Welcome American Addiction
>> Expert Stanton Peele's New Book on Recovery
>>
>> Two former alcoholics, Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald, a married couple
>> living in Ayrshire, Scotland, have warmly welcomed the publication of
>> a new book written by social psychologist Dr. Stanton Peele called 7
>> Tools to Beat Addiction.
>>
>> In his latest book, addiction expert Dr. Peele once again explodes the
>> myth, prevalent in the United States and becoming more so elsewhere in
>> the world, that alcoholism, drug abuse and other addictions are a
>> disease which is bio-genetic in origin, and for which addicts must
>> seek medical treatment or join a support group like Alcoholics
>> Anonymous.
>>
>> Dr Peele argues that addiction is not a disease, nor is it limited to
>> alcohol or to drugs - it can include, for instance food, shopping and
>> sex. He maintains that addiction is a pattern of dysfunctional
>> behaviour and experience that is best understood by examining an
>> individual's relationship with his or her world. Rather than a
>> disease, it is a manifestation of lack of skills for coping with life
>> - a lack that can and should be addressed and rectified.
>>
>> The book then proceeds to list and describe seven tools, Values,
>> Motivation, Rewards, Resources, Support, Maturity, Higher Goals. These
>> are the tools that will empower addicts to outgrow destructive habits
>> by putting together the building blocks for a balanced, fulfilling,
>> and responsible life.
>>
>> Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald said today: "We welcome the publication
>> of Dr Peele's new book "7 Steps to Beat Addiction", not least because
>> once again he debunks the myth that alcoholism and other addictions
>> are a disease. He goes on to quote American government-backed
>> statistics that prove that most addicts recover, and that the majority
>> of those that recover moreover do so without any medical treatment and
>> without the help of Alcoholics Anonymous or other 12-Step programmes."
>>
>> Scottish couple Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald are two former alcoholics
>> who have recovered so completely that they now not only lead normal
>> lives again, but are also able to drink in a perfectly safe and
>> sociable manner once more. They are building two websites to help
>> others do the same, and criticise Alcoholics Anonymous for being a
>> quasi-religious cult that has blocked and prevented progress in the
>> field of treatment of alcoholism for the past seventy years.
>>
>> Many alcoholics CAN recover and drink safely again, if and when they
>> so wish, say Lilian and Murdoch.
>>
>> This diametrically contradicts the teaching of Alcoholics Anonymous,
>> and of many alcoholism treatment centres throughout the world. But
>> Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald of Ayr in Scotland believe that the
>> 12-step programme of lifelong sobriety is not the solution to
>> alcoholism, as it only treats the symptoms and not the causes of the
>> problem, and is merely a damage-limitation exercise.
>>
>> Lilian and Murdoch argue that alcoholism, like other self-harming
>> disorders including bulimia, anorexia and self-mutilation, is a
>> behaviour problem, not a disease, often stemming from problems
>> experienced in childhood. And if these problems can be identified and
>> properly addressed, then the problem behaviour can be cured.
>>
>> And Lilian and Murdoch have just completed the first draft of a book
>> about their experiences, and will shortly start looking for a suitable
>> publisher.
>>
>> The couple also criticise the private clinics that have jumped upon
>> the AA bandwagon and peddle the 12-step philosophy at an average cost
>> of £3,000 per week in the UK for a typical stay of 5-6 weeks.
>>
>> They agree with Stanton Peele, who says, "The medical establishment
>> has come to recognize the financial and other advantages of
>> piggybacking on the AA movement, as have many recovering alcoholics.
>> AA members frequently make counselling careers out of their
>> recoveries. They and the treatment centres then benefit from
>> third-party reimbursement. In a recent survey of 15 treatment centres
>> across the US, researcher Marie Bourbine-Twohig found that all of the
>> centres (90 percent of which were residential) practiced the 12-step
>> philosophy, and two-thirds of all counsellors in the facilities were
>> recovering alcoholics and addicts."
>>
>> Lilian concludes, "When our ideas about alcoholism - of which we are
>> the living proof - gain more acceptance worldwide, and if more
>> government money is put into preventative measures, not only will
>> alcoholics stand a greater chance of getting back to normality, but we
>> will also have taken the first step towards ensuring that alcoholism
>> can be stamped out altogether."
>>
>> Dr. Stanton Peele's new book "7 Tools to Beat Addiction" is published
>> tomorrow, Tuesday, 27 July by Three Rivers Press, an imprint of Random
>> House ($14.00). See Web links below.
>>
>> STANTON PEELE
>> Stanton Peele PhD, JD is a psychologist and lawyer who is recognised
>> as a leading expert in the addiction field. He is an adjunct professor
>> at the New York University School of Social Work and a senior fellow
>> at the Drug Policy Alliance.
>>
>> Beginning in 1975 with the publication of Love and Addiction, he has
>> written a series of well-received books that forcefully present new
>> approaches to addiction. Dr. Peele's other books include Diseasing of
>> America and The Truth About Addiction and Recovery. As interest in
>> alternative approaches to addiction has grown, more and more books
>> appear that refer to his work.
>>
>> Dr. Peele has received the Mark Keller Award from the Rutgers Center
>> of Alcohol Studies and the lifetime scholarship award from the Drug
>> Policy Alliance. He lectures nationally and internationally and is
>> often called upon to comment on controversial developments in the
>> addiction arena. He also writes popular magazine and newspaper
>> articles, many of which have been reprinted in collections for college
>> students. He maintains an active website, www.peele.net, in which he
>> answers questions about addiction from readers around the world.
>>
>> WEB LINKS:
>>
>> Information about "7 Tools to Beat Addiction" on Stanton Peele's
>> website:
>>
>> http://www.peele.net/7tools/index.html
>>
>> Random House
>>
>> http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/d...sbn=1400048737
>>
>> Amazon
>>
>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...87362?v=glance
>>
>> Amazon UK
>>
>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...036468-1904645
>>
>> LILIAN AND MURDOCH MACDONALD'S WEB LINKS:
>>
>> Community websites
>>
>> http://groups.msn.com/Alcoholicsdont...stayonthewagon
>>
>> http://groups.msn.com/AlcoholicsCanDrinkSafelyAgain
>>
>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...nkSafelyAgain/
>>
>> Main website in course of construction
>>
>> http://www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com
>>
>> Other links
>>
>> http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/6/prweb130243.htm
>>
>> http://www.pressbox.co.uk/Detailed/15000.html
>>
>> http://www.pr-scotland.com/releases/040409-02.htm
>>
>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group.../message/83505
>>
>> http://groups.msn.com/Alcoholicsdont.../general.msnw?
>>
>> http://www.pr-scotland.com/releases/040726-01.htm
>>
>> http://www.pressbox.co.uk/Detailed/16150.html
>
>

Excellent set of thoughts! -- and let us not forget the parents of the kid
that he kills driving after he has stopped for "a" drink and ended up trying
to drive home drunk again.


"Mias" <emiasno@spamnetactive.co.za> wrote in message
news:cjl9v8$lmo$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
> P.S. Or will his/her family be able to sue for loss of income after
> his/her possible death?
> "Mias" <emiasno@spamnetactive.co.za> wrote in message
> news:cjl9ph$kqd$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
>> Hi Alcocure
>> Could you please enlighten me if, in America, an alcoholic following your
>> advise and tries to drink 'under control' or 'moderately' goes through
>> another cycle of binging and drinking, if they can sue your company for
>> damages?
>> I will see it in a very bad light if you do not answer this question in
>> at least as much detail as what you are using to sell your questionable
>> product.
>> Mias
>> "Alcocure" <alcocure@aol.com> wrote in message
>> news:39516dcd.0410011254.6bdcfb0c@posting.google.c om...
>>> Former Alcoholics from Ayrshire in Scotland Welcome American Addiction
>>> Expert Stanton Peele's New Book on Recovery
>>>
>>> Two former alcoholics, Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald, a married couple
>>> living in Ayrshire, Scotland, have warmly welcomed the publication of
>>> a new book written by social psychologist Dr. Stanton Peele called 7
>>> Tools to Beat Addiction.
>>>
>>> In his latest book, addiction expert Dr. Peele once again explodes the
>>> myth, prevalent in the United States and becoming more so elsewhere in
>>> the world, that alcoholism, drug abuse and other addictions are a
>>> disease which is bio-genetic in origin, and for which addicts must
>>> seek medical treatment or join a support group like Alcoholics
>>> Anonymous.
>>>
>>> Dr Peele argues that addiction is not a disease, nor is it limited to
>>> alcohol or to drugs - it can include, for instance food, shopping and
>>> sex. He maintains that addiction is a pattern of dysfunctional
>>> behaviour and experience that is best understood by examining an
>>> individual's relationship with his or her world. Rather than a
>>> disease, it is a manifestation of lack of skills for coping with life
>>> - a lack that can and should be addressed and rectified.
>>>
>>> The book then proceeds to list and describe seven tools, Values,
>>> Motivation, Rewards, Resources, Support, Maturity, Higher Goals. These
>>> are the tools that will empower addicts to outgrow destructive habits
>>> by putting together the building blocks for a balanced, fulfilling,
>>> and responsible life.
>>>
>>> Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald said today: "We welcome the publication
>>> of Dr Peele's new book "7 Steps to Beat Addiction", not least because
>>> once again he debunks the myth that alcoholism and other addictions
>>> are a disease. He goes on to quote American government-backed
>>> statistics that prove that most addicts recover, and that the majority
>>> of those that recover moreover do so without any medical treatment and
>>> without the help of Alcoholics Anonymous or other 12-Step programmes."
>>>
>>> Scottish couple Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald are two former alcoholics
>>> who have recovered so completely that they now not only lead normal
>>> lives again, but are also able to drink in a perfectly safe and
>>> sociable manner once more. They are building two websites to help
>>> others do the same, and criticise Alcoholics Anonymous for being a
>>> quasi-religious cult that has blocked and prevented progress in the
>>> field of treatment of alcoholism for the past seventy years.
>>>
>>> Many alcoholics CAN recover and drink safely again, if and when they
>>> so wish, say Lilian and Murdoch.
>>>
>>> This diametrically contradicts the teaching of Alcoholics Anonymous,
>>> and of many alcoholism treatment centres throughout the world. But
>>> Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald of Ayr in Scotland believe that the
>>> 12-step programme of lifelong sobriety is not the solution to
>>> alcoholism, as it only treats the symptoms and not the causes of the
>>> problem, and is merely a damage-limitation exercise.
>>>
>>> Lilian and Murdoch argue that alcoholism, like other self-harming
>>> disorders including bulimia, anorexia and self-mutilation, is a
>>> behaviour problem, not a disease, often stemming from problems
>>> experienced in childhood. And if these problems can be identified and
>>> properly addressed, then the problem behaviour can be cured.
>>>
>>> And Lilian and Murdoch have just completed the first draft of a book
>>> about their experiences, and will shortly start looking for a suitable
>>> publisher.
>>>
>>> The couple also criticise the private clinics that have jumped upon
>>> the AA bandwagon and peddle the 12-step philosophy at an average cost
>>> of £3,000 per week in the UK for a typical stay of 5-6 weeks.
>>>
>>> They agree with Stanton Peele, who says, "The medical establishment
>>> has come to recognize the financial and other advantages of
>>> piggybacking on the AA movement, as have many recovering alcoholics.
>>> AA members frequently make counselling careers out of their
>>> recoveries. They and the treatment centres then benefit from
>>> third-party reimbursement. In a recent survey of 15 treatment centres
>>> across the US, researcher Marie Bourbine-Twohig found that all of the
>>> centres (90 percent of which were residential) practiced the 12-step
>>> philosophy, and two-thirds of all counsellors in the facilities were
>>> recovering alcoholics and addicts."
>>>
>>> Lilian concludes, "When our ideas about alcoholism - of which we are
>>> the living proof - gain more acceptance worldwide, and if more
>>> government money is put into preventative measures, not only will
>>> alcoholics stand a greater chance of getting back to normality, but we
>>> will also have taken the first step towards ensuring that alcoholism
>>> can be stamped out altogether."
>>>
>>> Dr. Stanton Peele's new book "7 Tools to Beat Addiction" is published
>>> tomorrow, Tuesday, 27 July by Three Rivers Press, an imprint of Random
>>> House ($14.00). See Web links below.
>>>
>>> STANTON PEELE
>>> Stanton Peele PhD, JD is a psychologist and lawyer who is recognised
>>> as a leading expert in the addiction field. He is an adjunct professor
>>> at the New York University School of Social Work and a senior fellow
>>> at the Drug Policy Alliance.
>>>
>>> Beginning in 1975 with the publication of Love and Addiction, he has
>>> written a series of well-received books that forcefully present new
>>> approaches to addiction. Dr. Peele's other books include Diseasing of
>>> America and The Truth About Addiction and Recovery. As interest in
>>> alternative approaches to addiction has grown, more and more books
>>> appear that refer to his work.
>>>
>>> Dr. Peele has received the Mark Keller Award from the Rutgers Center
>>> of Alcohol Studies and the lifetime scholarship award from the Drug
>>> Policy Alliance. He lectures nationally and internationally and is
>>> often called upon to comment on controversial developments in the
>>> addiction arena. He also writes popular magazine and newspaper
>>> articles, many of which have been reprinted in collections for college
>>> students. He maintains an active website, www.peele.net, in which he
>>> answers questions about addiction from readers around the world.
>>>
>>> WEB LINKS:
>>>
>>> Information about "7 Tools to Beat Addiction" on Stanton Peele's
>>> website:
>>>
>>> http://www.peele.net/7tools/index.html
>>>
>>> Random House
>>>
>>> http://www.randomhouse.com/catalog/d...sbn=1400048737
>>>
>>> Amazon
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg...87362?v=glance
>>>
>>> Amazon UK
>>>
>>> http://www.amazon.co.uk/exec/obidos/...036468-1904645
>>>
>>> LILIAN AND MURDOCH MACDONALD'S WEB LINKS:
>>>
>>> Community websites
>>>
>>> http://groups.msn.com/Alcoholicsdont...stayonthewagon
>>>
>>> http://groups.msn.com/AlcoholicsCanDrinkSafelyAgain
>>>
>>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group...nkSafelyAgain/
>>>
>>> Main website in course of construction
>>>
>>> http://www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com
>>>
>>> Other links
>>>
>>> http://www.prweb.com/releases/2004/6/prweb130243.htm
>>>
>>> http://www.pressbox.co.uk/Detailed/15000.html
>>>
>>> http://www.pr-scotland.com/releases/040409-02.htm
>>>
>>> http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group.../message/83505
>>>
>>> http://groups.msn.com/Alcoholicsdont.../general.msnw?
>>>
>>> http://www.pr-scotland.com/releases/040726-01.htm
>>>
>>> http://www.pressbox.co.uk/Detailed/16150.html
>>
>>
>
>

That would be an individual acting wrong and not AA. I would love it if
people started sueing, e.g. the thirteen steppers, and get them the hell out
of AA and back into the pubs untill they are ready to work at the program
and not the members. Do not confuse AA with the people in it!
"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1096772067.24X/QkX4v88ZVXkUJSBZFg@teranews...
> On Sat, 2 Oct 2004 06:11:15 +0200, "Mias"
> <emiasno@spamnetactive.co.za> wrote:
>
>>Could you please enlighten me if, in America, an alcoholic following your
>>advise and tries to drink 'under control' or 'moderately' goes through
>>another cycle of binging and drinking, if they can sue your company for
>>damages?
>
> Shouldn't we ask the same question of AA for those who walk into AA
> and do everything a co-dependent "sponsor" has done (including
> declaring bankruptcy, divorcing the wife, and above all not bothering
> with "that big book") and become a chronic slipper as a result?
>
> --
> Blue Moon

On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 06:49:46 +0200, "Mias"
<emiasno@spamnetactive.co.za> wrote:

>That would be an individual acting wrong and not AA.

Actually it would often be a group acting wrong, because many groups
actively endorse sponsorship without taking any responsibility for the
outcome.

>Do not confuse AA with the people in it!

I'm not. Are you?

--
Blue Moon

1. Yeah - that could be true
2. Nope!

"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:1096820872.CjBHRotUY6TpZ5yxaMnBHw@teranews...
> On Sun, 3 Oct 2004 06:49:46 +0200, "Mias"
> <emiasno@spamnetactive.co.za> wrote:
>
>>That would be an individual acting wrong and not AA.
>
> Actually it would often be a group acting wrong, because many groups
> actively endorse sponsorship without taking any responsibility for the
> outcome.
>
>>Do not confuse AA with the people in it!
>
> I'm not. Are you?
>
> --
> Blue Moon

On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 21:54:25 +0100, Alcocure scribbled by his own authority...

(in article <39516dcd.0410011254.6bdcfb0c@posting.google.com>) :

> Former Alcoholics from Ayrshire in Scotland Welcome American Addiction
> Expert Stanton Peele's New Book on Recovery
>
> Two former alcoholics, Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald,

[snip]

I have attended meetings in Lilian's presence and know of Murdoch. Let's just
say that I'd rather stick with the winners... A.A.


QUOTE from web article...
"She says her son hasn't spoken to her for two years because he doesn't
believe with her opinions about beating alcoholism, but she says she is*now
closer than ever to her daughter."

--
Yellow dog

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