They beat the booze - but still like a drink!


By Bob Smyth

Sunday Post


A couple have written a book on how they beat the booze – but they'll
toast its publication with a drink.

Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald penned their story to highlight their
controversial claims that recovering alcoholics don't need to stay on
the wagon. The couple, from Ayr, say they're "cured" of alcoholism,
but still enjoy drinking socially. Now they're looking for a
publisher, and are set to spread news of their unusual treatment
around the world on a website that they're setting up
http://www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com

Slamming

The pair have waged a campaign against conventional therapies for
drink problems, slamming Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) and the theory that
"one drink will put you back on the road to ruin".

At their lowest point, boozing drove the couple to sleep rough. But
Murdoch insists: "Now we can enjoy a sociable bottle of wine." He
adds: "If you get rid of the root cause, instead of just the symptoms,
why shouldn't you be able to drink normally again?"

Lilian used to go on whisky binges which lasted weeks. Trapped in an
unhappy marriage, her childhood feelings of worthlessness came
flooding back. She says: "Drink would block out all the worst things.
It got rid of my inferior feelings, and that's where the problems
started."

As landlady of an Ayrshire pub, it was easy for her to have a drink
whenever she wanted it. She was in and out of AA, where she met
Murdoch 11 years ago. They married months later, blowing £5000 on
booze during their honeymoon. Lilian says: "Soon after, we went to
Cambridge for Murdoch to complete a PhD. We started drinking and were
thrown out of our rented accommodation. We were begging in the
streets."

One night they were beaten up. Two nurses took them to hospital, then
got them into a hostel. The couple started addressing why they drank,
and after a year, made a fresh start. They're delighted a new book
published last week backs their views. The book - 7 Tools to Beat
Addiction - is by American addiction expert Dr Stanton Peele, who is
campaigning against the tendency of American courts to make people
convicted of drink-related offences join AA as part of their sentence.

Disease

Dr Peele says: "While maintaining alcoholism is a disease, AA and
other disease proponents ignore the standard therapeutic requirement
that people be told of the alternatives, and be allowed to govern
their own health-care decisions."

Lilian says: "We are campaigning to get freedom of choice for
alcoholics. We are not against people going to AA if that's what they
want. But we believe in individual treatment for individual people -
not one size fits all."

Alcoholics Anonymous declined to comment.



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"Alcocure" <alcocure@aol.com> wrote in message
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> They beat the booze - but still like a drink!

I can cure your alcoholism, still let you drink, and cure your herpes! Just
buy my book!!!!

"Alcocure" <alcocure@aol.com> wrote in message
news:39516dcd.0409300324.19c323ce@posting.google.c om...
> They beat the booze - but still like a drink!
>
>
> By Bob Smyth
>
> Sunday Post
>
>
> A couple have written a book on how they beat the booze - but
they'll
> toast its publication with a drink.
>
> Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald penned their story to highlight their
> controversial claims that recovering alcoholics don't need to stay
on
> the wagon. The couple, from Ayr, say they're "cured" of alcoholism,
> but still enjoy drinking socially. Now they're looking for a
> publisher, and are set to spread news of their unusual treatment
> around the world on a website that they're setting up

<snip>

The pair have waged a campaign against conventional therapies for
> drink problems, slamming Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) and the theory
that
> "one drink will put you back on the road to ruin".
>
> At their lowest point, boozing drove the couple to sleep rough. But
> Murdoch insists: "Now we can enjoy a sociable bottle of wine." He
> adds: "If you get rid of the root cause, instead of just the
symptoms,
> why shouldn't you be able to drink normally again?"
>
> Lilian used to go on whisky binges which lasted weeks. Trapped in an
> unhappy marriage, her childhood feelings of worthlessness came
> flooding back. She says: "Drink would block out all the worst
things.
> It got rid of my inferior feelings, and that's where the problems
> started."
>
> As landlady of an Ayrshire pub, it was easy for her to have a drink
> whenever she wanted it. She was in and out of AA, where she met
> Murdoch 11 years ago. They married months later, blowing £5000 on
> booze during their honeymoon. Lilian says: "Soon after, we went to
> Cambridge for Murdoch to complete a PhD. We started drinking and
were
> thrown out of our rented accommodation. We were begging in the
> streets."
>
> One night they were beaten up. Two nurses took them to hospital,
then
> got them into a hostel. The couple started addressing why they
drank,
> and after a year, made a fresh start.

<snip>

Maybe this pair thought they were alcoholics when they were in truth,
merely hard drinkers:

"Then we have a certain type of hard drinker. He may have the habit
badly enough to gradually impair him physically and mentally. It may
cause him to die a few years before his time. If a sufficiently
strong reason - ill health, falling in love, change of environment or
the warning of a doctor - becomes operative, this man can ..... stop
or moderate................"
(Alcoholics Anonymous, page 20/21)

JB

Dear Bob - Would love to give you a detailed explanation why they are
trolling for money and not really alcoholic but let's keep it short and
simple by saying - BULLSHIT!!!
Kind regards
Mias
"Alcocure" <alcocure@aol.com> wrote in message
news:39516dcd.0409300324.19c323ce@posting.google.c om...
> They beat the booze - but still like a drink!
>
>
> By Bob Smyth
>
> Sunday Post
>
>
> A couple have written a book on how they beat the booze - but they'll
> toast its publication with a drink.
>
> Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald penned their story to highlight their
> controversial claims that recovering alcoholics don't need to stay on
> the wagon. The couple, from Ayr, say they're "cured" of alcoholism,
> but still enjoy drinking socially. Now they're looking for a
> publisher, and are set to spread news of their unusual treatment
> around the world on a website that they're setting up
> http://www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com
>
> Slamming
>
> The pair have waged a campaign against conventional therapies for
> drink problems, slamming Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) and the theory that
> "one drink will put you back on the road to ruin".
>
> At their lowest point, boozing drove the couple to sleep rough. But
> Murdoch insists: "Now we can enjoy a sociable bottle of wine." He
> adds: "If you get rid of the root cause, instead of just the symptoms,
> why shouldn't you be able to drink normally again?"
>
> Lilian used to go on whisky binges which lasted weeks. Trapped in an
> unhappy marriage, her childhood feelings of worthlessness came
> flooding back. She says: "Drink would block out all the worst things.
> It got rid of my inferior feelings, and that's where the problems
> started."
>
> As landlady of an Ayrshire pub, it was easy for her to have a drink
> whenever she wanted it. She was in and out of AA, where she met
> Murdoch 11 years ago. They married months later, blowing £5000 on
> booze during their honeymoon. Lilian says: "Soon after, we went to
> Cambridge for Murdoch to complete a PhD. We started drinking and were
> thrown out of our rented accommodation. We were begging in the
> streets."
>
> One night they were beaten up. Two nurses took them to hospital, then
> got them into a hostel. The couple started addressing why they drank,
> and after a year, made a fresh start. They're delighted a new book
> published last week backs their views. The book - 7 Tools to Beat
> Addiction - is by American addiction expert Dr Stanton Peele, who is
> campaigning against the tendency of American courts to make people
> convicted of drink-related offences join AA as part of their sentence.
>
> Disease
>
> Dr Peele says: "While maintaining alcoholism is a disease, AA and
> other disease proponents ignore the standard therapeutic requirement
> that people be told of the alternatives, and be allowed to govern
> their own health-care decisions."
>
> Lilian says: "We are campaigning to get freedom of choice for
> alcoholics. We are not against people going to AA if that's what they
> want. But we believe in individual treatment for individual people -
> not one size fits all."
>
> Alcoholics Anonymous declined to comment.
>
>
>
> http://groups.msn.com/AlcoholicsCanD...undaypost.msnw

Dear Bob
On a lighter note. Do you realize that if you convince just one true
alcoholic to try one more time that you might be sentencing him/her to
death? Is that worth whatever you are getting out of this investigation or
study?
I have been there and I walked the walk. Please do not confuse yourself and
please do not atract Karma.
By the way - Can you help an adulterer so that he/she screws around
moderately?
Kind regards
Mias
15 years clean and sober and enjoying every second!

"Alcocure" <alcocure@aol.com> wrote in message
news:39516dcd.0409300324.19c323ce@posting.google.c om...
> They beat the booze - but still like a drink!
>
>
> By Bob Smyth
>
> Sunday Post
>
>
> A couple have written a book on how they beat the booze - but they'll
> toast its publication with a drink.
>
> Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald penned their story to highlight their
> controversial claims that recovering alcoholics don't need to stay on
> the wagon. The couple, from Ayr, say they're "cured" of alcoholism,
> but still enjoy drinking socially. Now they're looking for a
> publisher, and are set to spread news of their unusual treatment
> around the world on a website that they're setting up
> http://www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com
>
> Slamming
>
> The pair have waged a campaign against conventional therapies for
> drink problems, slamming Alcoholics Anonymous (AA) and the theory that
> "one drink will put you back on the road to ruin".
>
> At their lowest point, boozing drove the couple to sleep rough. But
> Murdoch insists: "Now we can enjoy a sociable bottle of wine." He
> adds: "If you get rid of the root cause, instead of just the symptoms,
> why shouldn't you be able to drink normally again?"
>
> Lilian used to go on whisky binges which lasted weeks. Trapped in an
> unhappy marriage, her childhood feelings of worthlessness came
> flooding back. She says: "Drink would block out all the worst things.
> It got rid of my inferior feelings, and that's where the problems
> started."
>
> As landlady of an Ayrshire pub, it was easy for her to have a drink
> whenever she wanted it. She was in and out of AA, where she met
> Murdoch 11 years ago. They married months later, blowing £5000 on
> booze during their honeymoon. Lilian says: "Soon after, we went to
> Cambridge for Murdoch to complete a PhD. We started drinking and were
> thrown out of our rented accommodation. We were begging in the
> streets."
>
> One night they were beaten up. Two nurses took them to hospital, then
> got them into a hostel. The couple started addressing why they drank,
> and after a year, made a fresh start. They're delighted a new book
> published last week backs their views. The book - 7 Tools to Beat
> Addiction - is by American addiction expert Dr Stanton Peele, who is
> campaigning against the tendency of American courts to make people
> convicted of drink-related offences join AA as part of their sentence.
>
> Disease
>
> Dr Peele says: "While maintaining alcoholism is a disease, AA and
> other disease proponents ignore the standard therapeutic requirement
> that people be told of the alternatives, and be allowed to govern
> their own health-care decisions."
>
> Lilian says: "We are campaigning to get freedom of choice for
> alcoholics. We are not against people going to AA if that's what they
> want. But we believe in individual treatment for individual people -
> not one size fits all."
>
> Alcoholics Anonymous declined to comment.
>
>
>
> http://groups.msn.com/AlcoholicsCanD...undaypost.msnw

> slamming Alcoholics Anonymous

Strange how people disparage AA when they find it doesn't work for them. Bit
like the football manager that fires a parting shot at the club that's just
sacked him, lol.

--
J



Alcocure wrote:
> They beat the booze - but still like a drink!
>
>
> By Bob Smyth
>
> Sunday Post
>
>
> A couple have written a book on how they beat the booze - but they'll
> toast its publication with a drink.
>
> Lilian and Murdoch MacDonald penned their story to highlight their
> controversial claims that recovering alcoholics don't need to stay on
> the wagon. The couple, from Ayr, say they're "cured" of alcoholism,
> but still enjoy drinking socially. Now they're looking for a
> publisher, and are set to spread news of their unusual treatment
> around the world on a website that they're setting up
> http://www.alcoholicscandrinksafelyagain.com

"Mias" <emiasno@spamnetactive.co.za> wrote in message
news:cjhn6p$chf$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...

> Dear Bob
> On a lighter note. Do you realize that if you convince just one true
> alcoholic to try one more time that you might be sentencing him/her to
> death? Is that worth whatever you are getting out of this investigation or
> study?

It's an unbelievably obnoxious post and you are absolutely right Mias.
Terrible analysis/advertisement and I just hope someone who is in a weak
spot didn't read the post and think he or she can now drink. It's truly a
terrible reason to relapse.

Sincerely,
John

"Mias" <emiasno@spamnetactive.co.za> wrote in message
news:cjhmr7$big$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
> Dear Bob - Would love to give you a detailed explanation why they are
> trolling for money and not really alcoholic but let's keep it short and
> simple by saying - BULLSHIT!!!

Mias,
The part that makes it clear that it is bullshit starts with the
recognition that I don't really even *want* to drink moderately. I either
want to be sober or I want to be drunk. Anything in between is pointless --
and I choose sober.
All the best,
Dan

"JohnG" <nomail@for.you> wrote in message
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> "Mias" <emiasno@spamnetactive.co.za> wrote in message
> news:cjhn6p$chf$1@ctb-nnrp2.saix.net...
>
>> Dear Bob
>> On a lighter note. Do you realize that if you convince just one
>> true
>> alcoholic to try one more time that you might be sentencing
>> him/her to
>> death? Is that worth whatever you are getting out of this
>> investigation or
>> study?
>
> It's an unbelievably obnoxious post and you are absolutely right
> Mias.
> Terrible analysis/advertisement and I just hope someone who is in a
> weak
> spot didn't read the post and think he or she can now drink. It's
> truly a
> terrible reason to relapse.
>
> Sincerely,

Oh, and you poor frustrated power trippers don't ever pause to wonder
how many non alcoholics are recruited, under false pretenses, into a
lifetime of "recovering" and attendance at the sharing of real
misery, behind the facade of false hope that many AA meetings have
proven to be.

Another Bob.