"MB" <noot1967@yahoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:1095931690.22973.0@lotis.uk.clara.net...
>
>
>
> "Vaney" <vanegirl@aol.complicated> wrote in message
> news:20040922215828.21613.00001103@mb-m10.aol.com...
> > Hey people,
> >
> > I've been lurking here quite some time. I've been encouraged by
lots of
> posts,
> > and my intention is strong (to quit drinking) but so far I'm not
> successful.
> > I've had meeting after meeting after meeting with my HP, but the
answer
> I'm
> > getting is that there is no help forthcoming from that direction. I
have
> to do
> > this all alone, and that scares the shit out of me. Why my HP is
keeping
> aloof
> > is quite beyond me, except that I have always had to depend only on
> myself;
> > perhaps the lack of safety-net in my life precludes any strong
confidence
> in
> > the HP being on my side.
>
> I can't comment on the HP aspect as my experience of alcoholism has
never
> involved looking outside of myself for the cause or the cure. Sorry if
that
> offends anyone, but when I was quitting the bottle I believed that "I
got
> myself in this mess, I must get myself out."
>
> >
> > The strange thing is that I am *very* sure that I have a HP, and
that I am
> > being observed by Him/Her, but my appeal for real help is met with
> > indifference. I must say here that (at least in my community) AA
meetings
> are
> > not an option. There are privacy/secrecy issues, and here the HP ID
is
> > primarily Christian, of which group I am not a member. I really
just want
> an
> > initial boost, a few days of respite, or a sign that some f***ing
body is
> > listening.
>
> Ditto.
>
> >
> > My MO is one bottle of wine every evening, alone in my little house.
> Initially
> > I was a Jack Daniel's fan, and used in order to be able to sleep. I
don't
> know
> > if I'm an alcoholic or just a "problem drinker" (ah, what denial
fantasies
> THAT
> > phrase conjures up!). When I read about people drinking a fifth of
vodka
> every
> > day, I allow myself to think that I'm not so bad, y'know? But I am
> obsessing
> > about this drinking. I am pissed off every morning, and I debate my
trip
> to
> > the liquor store every day - yes or no? which date should I pick to
quit?
> is
> > the same clerk there that checked me out yesterday, and what does he
> think? I
> > mean, this is totally out of hand. No one who knows me would
suspect that
> this
> > conflict is breaking me up - I have been quite careful to maintain a
> productive
> > and well-managed lifestyle - no major blips, no embarrassing scenes.
>
> My MO was a full 75cl bottle of cheap (but full strength) vodka per
day -
> sometimes more. I drank alone and in secret (or so I thought!) What
you say
> about the liquor store is very true - what were the staff there
thinking
> when I turned up every morning at 8am for a bottle of spirits???
>

Just buy a case.
Then do not go to the same place.
You might have to drive to the next town so nobody will see you.

voodoo disease 666

"Vaney" <vanegirl@aol.complicated> wrote in message
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> Cheggers wrote:
>
>
> >Since they come in different sizes, how big's that
> >bottle of wine Vaney? I used to like the heavier one.
>
> Well, in the name of economy I usually buy the 1.5 liter Almaden
Chardonnay,
> but I only drink half of it. (On occasion I've been known to add an
extra
> glass). I haven't bought the giant jug for ages. The 5-liter box is
really
> the best deal, but it's like an unlimited keg, so I avoid it. My
usual is 4
> glasses from 6:00 or so until 11:00, all filled with ice (I use a
tumbler,
> nothing so elegant as an actual wine glass).

Just do bongs.

Who needs to be a stinking puking capitalist scumsucking drunk.

voodoo disease 666

"Vaney" <vanegirl@aol.complicated> wrote in message
news:20040924102818.02895.00000040@mb-m01.aol.com...
> MB said:
>
> >The original poster suggested they were going to try to dry out at
home
> >alone - I do not believe that would be a good idea. In my experience,
a
> >person withdrawing from alcohol needs some level of supervision. The
OP also
> >seemed to be reluctant to share their problem with another person - I
> >believe sharing actually helps the alcoholic confront their problems.
>
> Actually, I HAVE shared my anxieties with one other person - an old,
old school
> friend with whom I reconnected at a class reunion. I found out she
hasn't had
> a drink in 17 years, did the AA thing. This piqued my interest, and
we had

Yea well I quit drinking 20+ years ago. I didn't even finish a 12 pack
when George Bush and the secret service kidnapped and drugged me in the
Florida Keys.

I have been trying to get this goddamned microchip out of my back since
then.

> some good conversations, but she was only able to offer thoughts like,
"you'll
> quit when you're sick and tired of being sick and tired," and
"quitting is
> simple but it's not easy" It's nice to know there's someone who can
relate,
> but I don't feel she is going to be much real *help*, if you know what
I mean.
> She is also someone who has *major* horrific issues going back to her
early
> childhood, and she is just naturally more focussed on fixing herself
than in

You know, alot of christian jew cops were sexually molested by thier
religious parents.


> expending much energy on guiding a person whom she hasn't seen in 15
or so
> years (needy though I may be!!)
>
> Thanks for your thoughts!
> Vaney
> to email, simplify...
>
> "...details delight me, ramifications enchant me, distance no
object..."
> Lord Peter
Wimsey
>
>

"Vaney" <vanegirl@aol.complicated> wrote in message
news:20040924102818.02895.00000040@mb-m01.aol.com...
> MB said:
>
> >The original poster suggested they were going to try to dry out at
home
> >alone - I do not believe that would be a good idea. In my
experience, a
> >person withdrawing from alcohol needs some level of supervision.
The OP also
> >seemed to be reluctant to share their problem with another person -
I
> >believe sharing actually helps the alcoholic confront their
problems.
>
> Actually, I HAVE shared my anxieties with one other person - an old,
old school
> friend with whom I reconnected at a class reunion.

Hi there,

If you decide to take the AA route to recovery - ie it's 12 Step
programme - maybe you will find yourself greatly benefitting from it.

ATB

JB

"Vaney" <vanegirl@aol.complicated> wrote in message
news:20040922215828.21613.00001103@mb-m10.aol.com...
> Hey people,
>
> I've been lurking here quite some time. I've been encouraged by lots of
posts,
> and my intention is strong (to quit drinking) but so far I'm not
successful.
> I've had meeting after meeting after meeting with my HP, but the answer
I'm
> getting is that there is no help forthcoming from that direction. I have
to do
> this all alone, and that scares the shit out of me. Why my HP is keeping
aloof
> is quite beyond me, except that I have always had to depend only on
myself;
> perhaps the lack of safety-net in my life precludes any strong confidence
in
> the HP being on my side.
>
> The strange thing is that I am *very* sure that I have a HP, and that I am
> being observed by Him/Her, but my appeal for real help is met with
> indifference. I must say here that (at least in my community) AA meetings
are
> not an option. There are privacy/secrecy issues, and here the HP ID is
> primarily Christian, of which group I am not a member. I really just want
an
> initial boost, a few days of respite, or a sign that some f***ing body is
> listening.
>
> My MO is one bottle of wine every evening, alone in my little house.
Initially
> I was a Jack Daniel's fan, and used in order to be able to sleep. I don't
know
> if I'm an alcoholic or just a "problem drinker" (ah, what denial fantasies
THAT
> phrase conjures up!). When I read about people drinking a fifth of vodka
every
> day, I allow myself to think that I'm not so bad, y'know? But I am
obsessing
> about this drinking. I am pissed off every morning, and I debate my trip
to
> the liquor store every day - yes or no? which date should I pick to quit?
is
> the same clerk there that checked me out yesterday, and what does he
think? I
> mean, this is totally out of hand. No one who knows me would suspect that
this
> conflict is breaking me up - I have been quite careful to maintain a
productive
> and well-managed lifestyle - no major blips, no embarrassing scenes.
>
> Anyway, that's my story and I'll appreciate any advice you're willing to
give.
> I have never until today actually "spoken" with anyone about this dilemma;
I'm
> a total newbie. I know that I need to quit drinking alone and at home.
Can I
> drink socially? Will rules like that work? What should I do? I'm an
open
> book here - all help will be taken gratefully and considered with an open
mind.
>
> Anyway, to all you unknown and well-known posters, my various best wishes,
> congratulations, questions and requests for counsel.
>
> Thank you in advance ~
> Vaney
> to email, simplify...
>
> "...details delight me, ramifications enchant me, distance no object..."
> Lord Peter Wimsey
>


Sounds familiar. Once I prayed for solutions... Not just any solution, but
a solution of my understanding. Today I just ask for help to

1- trust god
2- clean house
3- be a service to those around me.

That seems to "help" more than I can describe.

Bobby L


>

Blue Moon <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<1096071391.4O/TS53d0Xe5rsMMzZSOuQ@teranews>...
> On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 09:01:57 -0700, "Fred Exley" <fexly221@msn.com>
> wrote:
>
> > LOT'S of extra money in your pocket!

Yeah, don't make promises you can't keep, Exley!

I spent a long time just about paying the bills not really knowing I
was an alkie. Then I got rich (relatively) and then poor again
(relatively). I'm currently richer (relatively) and waiting to
discover how much poorer I may become in a shake-up, and most of all
that wasn't about the booze. It was just about economics and skills
and life.

I never bought lottery tickets though. Always figured I'd be dead
pretty soon after a big win. Or even a moderate one. ;-)

Best,

Cheggs

vanegirl@aol.complicated (Vaney) wrote in message news:<20040924101031.02895.00000037@mb-m01.aol.com>...
> Cheggers wrote:
>
>
> >Since they come in different sizes, how big's that
> >bottle of wine Vaney? I used to like the heavier one.
>
> Well, in the name of economy I usually buy the 1.5 liter Almaden Chardonnay,
> but I only drink half of it. (On occasion I've been known to add an extra
> glass). I haven't bought the giant jug for ages. The 5-liter box is really
> the best deal, but it's like an unlimited keg, so I avoid it. My usual is 4
> glasses from 6:00 or so until 11:00, all filled with ice (I use a tumbler,
> nothing so elegant as an actual wine glass).
>
> Vaney
> to email, simplify...
>
> "...details delight me, ramifications enchant me, distance no object..."
> Lord Peter Wimsey

Elegant signature quotes but plain old tumblers, eh? If you're sure
you need a higher power to help you stop drinking the equivalent of a
75cl bottle of wine a night then there are plenty folks in here who'll
guide you.

I kinda like science, too, though. What happens when you stop drinking
that bottle of wine a night? I presume you've tried and failed by the
fact that you're posting here, but relative to my preferred intake, a
standard bottle of vino of an evening's a pretty quiet night. You'd
have been in bed long before I was turning the TV off...

If you haven't tried stopping, why not try it and see what happens? It
might not be much more than three nights of slightly broken sleep and
a gentle readjustment. Especially given the ice and your preferred
drinking timeframe, which, unless you're a person of uncannily small
stature, suggests you'd be unlikely to routinely experience
exceptionally high levels of blood-alcohol.

And... if you can't stop, and it really IS a problem, then there's
loads of help and lots of hope.

I'm not a doctor and I'm not in any way qualified to judge your
situation. You just don't sound as much like your Subject Line would
suggest. But only you know best.

Cheggs
Who wonders whether higher powers don't waste their infinite powers
where they may not be really needed.

Cheggers wrote:


>I kinda like science, too, though. What happens when you stop drinking
>that bottle of wine a night? I presume you've tried and failed by the
>fact that you're posting here, but relative to my preferred intake, a
>standard bottle of vino of an evening's a pretty quiet night. You'd
>have been in bed long before I was turning the TV off...
>
>If you haven't tried stopping, why not try it and see what happens? It
>might not be much more than three nights of slightly broken sleep and
>a gentle readjustment. Especially given the ice and your preferred
>drinking timeframe, which, unless you're a person of uncannily small
>stature, suggests you'd be unlikely to routinely experience
>exceptionally high levels of blood-alcohol.

Y'know, I have to say I *have* tried. And succeeded, too, if I stalled and
puttered long enough that the liquor store would be closed (just recently they
opened one here in PA that stays open until TEN at night and also opens on
Sunday <groan>). But the next day I would repair the error of my ways.

I am not a small person, 5'6" and 135 lbs - just lost 10 pounds!!!! - and I get
cosily toasted on my bottle. I have always been able to drink quite a lot and
keep conversant and mobile, (you should have seen me in my youth!) and this
awful little habit is just my way of getting ready for bed. One time I was on
some medication for an infection, and it must act like Antabuse, one goes
*immediately* to Barf City if you take even one drink, they told me. So I was
alcohol-free for something like 16 days, and I was amazed at how (relatively)
easy it was to abstain when faced with dire illness as an alternative. Didn't
last, though. So there *must* be a problem. And I can't say it doesn't affect
my life, either. I find myself settling down with a good book and slurp away
the evening, way too often. Every night. I mean, the cats get fed and the
place stays clean, but the ironing (grrrrrrr) is piling up and I haven't paid
attention to any of my hobbies in a long, long time.

I know my problem must seem like small beans to some of you guys - I've lurked
long enough to get as much of your stories as you've posted here - but it's
still a pretty big problem for me. I've read that when you obsess, it's a
"Sign". Well, I don't obsess about drinking - I can figure out all my little
details pretty much on auto-pilot - but I'm starting to obsess about
*quitting*, and the more I think about it, the longer I put it off. "I'll quit
tomorrow" and then tomorrow is just such a pisser of a day that I really want
the relaxation, etc, etc, etc. It's as though my mind knows the ol' relaxer is
on its way out and arranges things just to mess up my plans.

Anyway, enough. Thanks for all your thoughtfulness. I'm not givin' up.

Vaney
to email, simplify...

"...details delight me, ramifications enchant me, distance no object..."
Lord Peter Wimsey

<Not bothering to quote ridiculous nasty responses>

I am constantly amazed by the number of complete idiots the world contains.
Not being one (I am only a *partial* idiot, and then only once in a while) I am
just sorry that they can 1) read well enough to read this group and 2) pull
themselves up out of their sludge long enough to post here. My goodness.

Vaney
who utters a long stream of horrible invective, full of sailor-quality swear
words, but only in the privacy of her house and in the presence of two
bewildered cats (who head under the bed).
to email, simplify...

"...details delight me, ramifications enchant me, distance no object..."
Lord Peter Wimsey

> "...details delight me, ramifications enchant me, distance no object..."
> Lord Peter Wimsey


I believe that I have read everything that Dorothy Sayers ever
published. Apart from the books, I have Wimsey stories on audiotapes and
DVDs. Lord Peter was the example that a man could be witty, urbane,
tasteful, thoughtful and decent without being gay. I consider him to be the
first "metrosexual."
Unfortunately, I spent a lot of time trying to emulate his appreciation
of wines. Of course later in my life, I also emulated his earlier
shell-shock. In my case, though, it wasn't a war but only a woman.
Anyway, please give some thought to passing on the drinking. Some of us
have done so and are glad of it.
Dan