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  #141  
Old 09-28-2004, 01:31 AM
ryannosaurus
 
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Re: Dubya Falls Off the Wagon

It was a dark and stormy alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, when
lightning flashed and ± <h0plibbb_oili@hotmail.com> roared:

>Roedy Green wrote:
>>
>> On 20 Sep 2004 09:43:18 -0700, michael.p.colburn@dartmouth.edu (Mike
>> Colburn) wrote or quoted :
>>
>> >If you think these are isolated incidents, I'll
>> >wager their are more episodes of his binge drinking that his
>> >"advisors" (read: Bush = meal ticket) have covered up over the years.

>>
>> We have all of Bush's "accidents", e.g. fight with the pretzel.
>>
>> He is always falling down and injuring himself.
>>
>> He "fell off his bicycle".
>>
>> He even managed to fall off a Segway.
>>
>> He hides out for weeks at a time, taking more time off than any
>> president in history, in seclusion in Crawford.
>>
>> This is not exactly the most relaxed period of American history. What
>> the fuck is he doing down there, and why does he not entertain
>> visitors?
>>
>> His wife is an alcoholic, and his kids are heavy drinkers. That makes
>> it ten times more difficult to stay on the wagon.
>>
>> We know he lied at least once about his sobriety. He still has not
>> admitted the lie, even though there is a video to prove it. Go to AA
>> and ask about "denial is not just a river in Egypt" and what it
>> signifies. Dollars to donuts Bush is STILL binge drinking.

>
>Despite our political differences, I wouldn't mind get shitfaced with
>the guy.


No shit! Let's invade Bolivia while we're at it! yeee hawwww!
--
ryannosaurus
mhm31x8
icq #40376666
smeeter 26
somewhat disputed king of the tube socks
jelliebun *and* knoxy minion #1
incorrigible joiner of things

"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop
thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do
we." George W. Bush

"I'm more than just a little curious how you're planning to go about
making your amends to the dead" Maynard J. Keenan

  #142  
Old 09-28-2004, 01:33 AM
Lady Chatterly
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Dubya Falls Off the Wagon

In article <881il0l2iq464e65vadrf9mbhfulq8mq5c@4ax.com>,
ryannosaurus <ryzilla@rock.com> wrote:
>
>It was a dark and stormy alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, when
>lightning flashed and ± <h0plibbb_oili@hotmail.com> roared:
>
>>Roedy Green wrote:
>>>
>>> On 20 Sep 2004 09:43:18 -0700, michael.p.colburn@dartmouth.edu (Mike
>>> Colburn) wrote or quoted :
>>>
>>> >If you think these are isolated incidents, I'll
>>> >wager their are more episodes of his binge drinking that his
>>> >"advisors" (read: Bush = meal ticket) have covered up over the years.
>>>
>>> We have all of Bush's "accidents", e.g. fight with the pretzel.
>>>
>>> He is always falling down and injuring himself.
>>>
>>> He "fell off his bicycle".
>>>
>>> He even managed to fall off a Segway.
>>>
>>> He hides out for weeks at a time, taking more time off than any
>>> president in history, in seclusion in Crawford.
>>>
>>> This is not exactly the most relaxed period of American history. What
>>> the fuck is he doing down there, and why does he not entertain
>>> visitors?
>>>
>>> His wife is an alcoholic, and his kids are heavy drinkers. That makes
>>> it ten times more difficult to stay on the wagon.
>>>
>>> We know he lied at least once about his sobriety. He still has not
>>> admitted the lie, even though there is a video to prove it. Go to AA
>>> and ask about "denial is not just a river in Egypt" and what it
>>> signifies. Dollars to donuts Bush is STILL binge drinking.

>>
>>Despite our political differences, I wouldn't mind get shitfaced with
>>the guy.

>
>No shit! Let's invade Bolivia while we're at it! yeee hawwww!


I'm sure I don't know half of those who I respond to. Indeed, for all
I read, I shouldn't like to.

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"Pam, Alan, John, Caramel, Lady Chatterly, and all other MJ
supporters." -- Lady Motown





























  #143  
Old 09-28-2004, 02:08 AM
±
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Dubya Falls Off the Wagon

ryannosaurus wrote:
>
> It was a dark and stormy alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, when
> lightning flashed and ± <h0plibbb_oili@hotmail.com> roared:
>
> >Roedy Green wrote:
> >>
> >> On 20 Sep 2004 09:43:18 -0700, michael.p.colburn@dartmouth.edu (Mike
> >> Colburn) wrote or quoted :
> >>
> >> >If you think these are isolated incidents, I'll
> >> >wager their are more episodes of his binge drinking that his
> >> >"advisors" (read: Bush = meal ticket) have covered up over the years.
> >>
> >> We have all of Bush's "accidents", e.g. fight with the pretzel.
> >>
> >> He is always falling down and injuring himself.
> >>
> >> He "fell off his bicycle".
> >>
> >> He even managed to fall off a Segway.
> >>
> >> He hides out for weeks at a time, taking more time off than any
> >> president in history, in seclusion in Crawford.
> >>
> >> This is not exactly the most relaxed period of American history. What
> >> the fuck is he doing down there, and why does he not entertain
> >> visitors?
> >>
> >> His wife is an alcoholic, and his kids are heavy drinkers. That makes
> >> it ten times more difficult to stay on the wagon.
> >>
> >> We know he lied at least once about his sobriety. He still has not
> >> admitted the lie, even though there is a video to prove it. Go to AA
> >> and ask about "denial is not just a river in Egypt" and what it
> >> signifies. Dollars to donuts Bush is STILL binge drinking.

> >
> >Despite our political differences, I wouldn't mind get shitfaced with
> >the guy.

>
> No shit! Let's invade Bolivia while we're at it! yeee hawwww!


Howard Dean was right.



> --
> ryannosaurus
> mhm31x8
> icq #40376666
> smeeter 26
> somewhat disputed king of the tube socks
> jelliebun *and* knoxy minion #1
> incorrigible joiner of things
>
> "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop
> thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do
> we." George W. Bush
>
> "I'm more than just a little curious how you're planning to go about
> making your amends to the dead" Maynard J. Keenan



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  #144  
Old 09-28-2004, 02:39 AM
±
 
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Re: Dubya Falls Off the Wagon

dogfisher wrote:
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> ± wrote:
> || dogfisher wrote:
> |||
> ||| ± wrote:
> ||||| dogfisher wrote:
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> |||||||| Flounder wrote:
> |||||||||
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> |||||||||||| ± wrote:
> |||||||||||||| stuart wrote:
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> ||||||||||||||| "±" <h0plibbb_oili@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> ||||||||||||||| And you have never done anything stupid at a wedding?
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> |||||||||||||| Yeah - get married.
> ||||||||||||
> |||||||||||| No doubt your wife rues the day she got sucked in by you.
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> ||||||||||| No, she sucked my hog that night.
> |||||||||
> ||||||||| Hog? More like a toothpick with a magnifying glass.
> ||||||||
> |||||||| You're just not going to be civil, are you?
> ||||||||
> |||||||| Just another Right Wing Issue-Avoidancer, 'eh?
> ||||||
> |||||| Just another LEFT-wing liar, eh?
> |||||
> ||||| Going to continue to dodge my questions, Neocon?
> |||
> ||| Still wanking in your parents' basement, whacked out leftie?
> ||
> || Over 200 million US taxpayer dollars have been spent so far for an
> || unjust war. While there's no money for schools, good health care
> || programs and human welfare, Duyba espouses money for arms, bad health
> || care programs and corporate welfare - go figure.
>
> Do you EVER stop your bloody whiny snivelling? Get some SPINE, man!


Did you notice the thread running through Dubya's rather dubious family
history?

Many of his kinfolk avoided conscription and later became big muckity
mucks (in some cases, President) on the conservative pro-war bandwagon.

Ironically, many profited by doing business with the US Government *and*
the US Government's enemies, from Hitler to Hussien - what about Dubya
do you find Presidential?


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  #145  
Old 09-28-2004, 05:06 AM
dogfisher
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Dubya Falls Off the Wagon

ryannosaurus wrote:
|| It was a dark and stormy alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk.flonk, when
|| lightning flashed and ± <h0plibbb_oili@hotmail.com> roared:
||
||| Roedy Green wrote:
||||
|||| On 20 Sep 2004 09:43:18 -0700, michael.p.colburn@dartmouth.edu
|||| (Mike Colburn) wrote or quoted :
||||
||||| If you think these are isolated incidents, I'll
||||| wager their are more episodes of his binge drinking that his
||||| "advisors" (read: Bush = meal ticket) have covered up over the
||||| years.
||||
|||| We have all of Bush's "accidents", e.g. fight with the pretzel.
||||
|||| He is always falling down and injuring himself.
||||
|||| He "fell off his bicycle".
||||
|||| He even managed to fall off a Segway.
||||
|||| He hides out for weeks at a time, taking more time off than any
|||| president in history, in seclusion in Crawford.
||||
|||| This is not exactly the most relaxed period of American history.
|||| What the fuck is he doing down there, and why does he not entertain
|||| visitors?
||||
|||| His wife is an alcoholic, and his kids are heavy drinkers. That
|||| makes it ten times more difficult to stay on the wagon.
||||
|||| We know he lied at least once about his sobriety. He still has not
|||| admitted the lie, even though there is a video to prove it. Go to
|||| AA and ask about "denial is not just a river in Egypt" and what it
|||| signifies. Dollars to donuts Bush is STILL binge drinking.
|||
||| Despite our political differences, I wouldn't mind get shitfaced
||| with the guy.
||
|| No shit! Let's invade Bolivia while we're at it! yeee hawwww!

Do we need tin or Lake Titicaca? AH, yes, that OTHER crop they grow there.


|| --
|| ryannosaurus
|| mhm31x8
|| icq #40376666
|| smeeter 26
|| somewhat disputed king of the tube socks
|| jelliebun *and* knoxy minion #1
|| incorrigible joiner of things
||
|| "Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They
|| never stop thinking about new ways to harm our country and our
|| people, and neither do we." George W. Bush
||
|| "I'm more than just a little curious how you're planning to go about
|| making your amends to the dead" Maynard J. Keenan


  #146  
Old 09-28-2004, 05:07 AM
dogfisher
 
Posts: n/a
Re: Dubya Falls Off the Wagon

± wrote:
|| dogfisher wrote:
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||||| dogfisher wrote:
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|||||||||||||||||
||||||||||||||||| Yeah - get married.
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||||||||||| You're just not going to be civil, are you?
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|||||||| Going to continue to dodge my questions, Neocon?
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|||||| Still wanking in your parents' basement, whacked out leftie?
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||||| Over 200 million US taxpayer dollars have been spent so far for an
||||| unjust war. While there's no money for schools, good health care
||||| programs and human welfare, Duyba espouses money for arms, bad
||||| health care programs and corporate welfare - go figure.
|||
||| Do you EVER stop your bloody whiny snivelling? Get some SPINE, man!
||
|| Did you notice the thread running through Dubya's rather dubious
|| family history?
||
|| Many of his kinfolk avoided conscription and later became big muckity
|| mucks (in some cases, President) on the conservative pro-war
|| bandwagon.
||
|| Ironically, many profited by doing business with the US Government
|| *and* the US Government's enemies, from Hitler to Hussien - what
|| about Dubya do you find Presidential?

What about you does ANYONE find sentient?


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  #147  
Old 09-28-2004, 10:54 AM
Mike Colburn
 
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Re: Dubya Falls Off the Wagon

"dogfisher" <dogfishe@aquarium.com>, also known as Mr. Non Sequitur, wrote in message news:<KR56d.166938$XP3.145758@edtnps84>...
> Mike Colburn wrote:
> || "Flounder" <flounder@dome.com> flopped and gasped in message
> || news:<S1o4d.75301$KU5.66819@edtnps89>...
> ||| Mike Colburn wrote:
> ||||| "Cartilage Man" <Italk@youlisten.com> blew out a knee in message
> ||||| news:<byG3d.63793$KU5.37291@edtnps89>...


[snippage]

> |||||| I much prefer Bush in the White House than some limp-wristed fag
> |||||| LIEbrawl like you.
> |||||
> ||||| "Bud", you're an idiot wrapped in a moron...and probably an alkie
> ||||| like Bush and just as much in denial as he.
> |||||
> ||||| As for the end of your ripping rejoinder, are you sober enough to
> ||||| see where I'm posting from, dipstick? A place called Dartmouth
> ||||| College...a veritable hotbed for "limp-wristed fag LIEbrawls".
> ||||| [rolls eyes] I'd call you a imbecilic half-wit, but that would be
> ||||| giving you way too much credit.
> |||
> ||| Back to the local glory hole for you, ignorant fagdick.
> ||
> || Whoooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooosh!
> || (of course, being a flounder, things flying over your pancaked head
> || regularly, don't they?)
> ||
> || Ah, Flounder. How droll. You and Mr. Cartilige aren't exactly the
> || sharpest knives in the usenet drawer, are you? Imagine, named after
> || a character in "Animal House", written by a Dartmouth grad...and
> || because I called Bush an alcoholic, I'm automatically a liberal AND
> || a fag. Are you familiar with the word "sarcasm" and it's meaning? I
> || even put a [rolls eyes]in there so Mr.
> || I-wanna-drunk-in-the-White-House might understand I was being
> || sarcastic.
> ||
> || Punch up "The Dartmouth Review" (the school paper)on a search (if you
> || can manage that, Einstein) and read a few articles. Brainless
> || fucktards...just because I'm a little concerned that we have an
> || alcoholic in the White House doesn't mean I want a Democratic
> || president. I rather prefer a sober one, wouldn't you?
> ||
> || Also...if you look anything like Flounder, I imagine glory holes are
> || about the only way you get any, Quasimodo.
>
> If you call what YOU have, sobriety, I do NOT want it.


I'm assuming you can read and comprehend what you read. Where in hell
do you see me saying that I have sobriety? The thread is about an
alcoholic we presently have in the White House, not whether I'm sober
or not. HE should seek sobriety.

Unfortunately, you, Flounder-boi and, the original lunkhead, Cartilage
Man think I'm a democrat because of my objection to Bush's disease and
apparently not one of you have done what I suggested...check the
politics at Dartmouth. Dartmouth is virtually synonymous with
Republican. But do I want a DRUNK republican in the White House?
Fuck NO. That doesn't automatically mean I'm a democrat, a fag, a
liar or any other of the ridiculous horseshit you three are spewing
out of your drooling gobs. If it will help you knuckling dragging
misanthorpes, I'm not voting for fucking Kerry. I'd trust him in the
White House as much as I'd trust you three stooges.
  #148  
Old 09-30-2004, 01:38 AM
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Re: Dubya Falls Off the Wagon

dogfisher wrote:
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> |||||||||||||||||| And you have never done anything stupid at a wedding?
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> ||||||||||||||||| Yeah - get married.
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> ||||||||||||||| No doubt your wife rues the day she got sucked in by
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> |||||| Still wanking in your parents' basement, whacked out leftie?
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> ||||| Over 200 million US taxpayer dollars have been spent so far for an
> ||||| unjust war. While there's no money for schools, good health care
> ||||| programs and human welfare, Duyba espouses money for arms, bad
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> ||| Do you EVER stop your bloody whiny snivelling? Get some SPINE, man!
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> || Ironically, many profited by doing business with the US Government
> || *and* the US Government's enemies, from Hitler to Hussien - what
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> What about you does ANYONE find sentient?


I see I have to correct my typo - over 200 *billion* US taxpayer dollars
have been spent so far for an unjust war.

If Dubya's case for war was based on erroneous information, as he's
stated, why does he keep US troops in Iraq?

But he's not doing that - in fact, he he wins, he plans on sending more
after the elections:

http://www.commondreams.org/views04/0929-01.htm

Published on Wednesday, September 29, 2004
Lots More Troops To Iraq... After the Election
by Ray McGovern

It’s not an “if.” It’s a “when.” Pentagon officials have indicated that
they plan to send as many as 15,000 additional troops during the first
four months of 2005, and the President George W. Bush continues to
insist “we will stay the course” until Iraq is stabilized. (I do wish
his advisers would provide a different vocabulary so that those of us
steeped in the mistakes regarding Vietnam could be spared painful
flashbacks.)

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Did you see that Dubya's hometown newspaper in Crawford, Texas, endorsed
the Kerry-Edwards ticket?:

http://www.iconoclast-texas.com/Colu...ditorial39.htm

Kerry Will Restore
American Dignity
2004 Iconoclast Presidential Endorsement


Few Americans would have voted for George W. Bush four years ago if he
had promised that, as President, he would:

• Empty the Social Security trust fund by $507 billion to help offset
fiscal irresponsibility and at the same time slash Social Security
benefits.
• Cut Medicare by 17 percent and reduce veterans’ benefits and military
pay.
• Eliminate overtime pay for millions of Americans and raise oil prices
by 50 percent.
• Give tax cuts to businesses that sent American jobs overseas, and, in
fact, by policy encourage their departure.
• Give away billions of tax dollars in government contracts without
competitive bids.
• Involve this country in a deadly and highly questionable war, and
• Take a budget surplus and turn it into the worst deficit in the
history of the United States, creating a debt in just four years that
will take generations to repay.

These were elements of a hidden agenda that surfaced only after he took
office.

The publishers of The Iconoclast endorsed Bush four years ago, based on
the things he promised, not on this smoke-screened agenda.

Today, we are endorsing his opponent, John Kerry, based not only on the
things that Bush has delivered, but also on the vision of a return to
normality that Kerry says our country needs.

Four items trouble us the most about the Bush administration: his
initiatives to disable the Social Security system, the deteriorating
state of the American economy, a dangerous shift away from the basic
freedoms established by our founding fathers, and his continuous
mistakes regarding terrorism and Iraq.

President Bush has announced plans to change the Social Security system
as we know it by privatizing it, which when considering all the tangents
related to such a change, would put the entire economy in a dramatic
tailspin.

The Social Security Trust Fund actually lends money to the rest of the
government in exchange for government bonds, which is how the system
must work by law, but how do you later repay Social Security while you
are running a huge deficit? It’s impossible, without raising taxes
sometime in the future or becoming fiscally responsible now. Social
Security money is being used to escalate our deficit and, at the same
time, mask a much larger government deficit, instead of paying down the
national debt, which would be a proper use, to guarantee a future gain.

Privatization is problematic in that it would subject Social Security to
the ups, downs, and outright crashes of the Stock Market. It would take
millions in brokerage fees and commissions out of the system, and,
unless we have assurance that the Ivan Boeskys and Ken Lays of the world
will be caught and punished as a deterrent, subject both the Market and
the Social Security Fund to fraud and market manipulation, not to
mention devastate and ruin multitudes of American families that would
find their lives lost to starvation, shame, and isolation.

Kerry wants to keep Social Security, which each of us already owns. He
says that the program is manageable, since it is projected to be solvent
through 2042, with use of its trust funds. This would give ample time to
strengthen the economy, reduce the budget deficit the Bush
administration has created, and, therefore, bolster the program as
needed to fit ever-changing demographics.

Our senior citizens depend upon Social Security. Bush’s answer is
radical and uncalled for, and would result in chaos as Americans have
never experienced. Do we really want to risk the future of Social
Security on Bush by spinning the wheel of uncertainty?

In those dark hours after the World Trade Center attacks, Americans
rallied together with a new sense of patriotism. We were ready to follow
Bush’s lead through any travail.

He let us down.

When he finally emerged from his hide-outs on remote military bases well
after the first crucial hours following the attack, he gave sound-bytes
instead of solutions.

He did not trust us to be ready to sacrifice, build up our public and
private security infrastructure, or cut down on our energy use to put
economic pressure on the enemy in all the nations where he hides. He
merely told us to shop, spend, and pretend nothing was wrong.

Rather than using the billions of dollars expended on the invasion of
Iraq to shore up our boundaries and go after Osama bin Laden and the
Saudi Arabian terrorists, the funds were used to initiate a war with
what Bush called a more immediate menace, Saddam Hussein, in oil-rich
Iraq. After all, Bush said Iraq had weapons of mass destruction trained
on America. We believed him, just as we believed it when he reported
that Iraq was the heart of terrorism. We trusted him.

The Iconoclast, the President’s hometown newspaper, took Bush on his
word and editorialized in favor of the invasion. The newspaper’s
publisher promoted Bush and the invasion of Iraq to Londoners in a BBC
interview during the time that the administration was wooing the support
of Prime Minister Tony Blair.
Again, he let us down.

We presumed the President had solid proof of the existence of these
weapons, what and where they were, even as the search continued.
Otherwise, our troops would be in much greater danger and the premise
for a hurried-up invasion would be moot, allowing more time to solicit
assistance from our allies.

Instead we were duped into following yet another privileged agenda.

Now he argues unconvincingly that Iraq was providing safe harbor to
terrorists, his new key justification for the invasion. It is like
arguing that America provided safe harbor to terrorists leading to 9/11.
Once and for all, George Bush was President of the United States on that
day. No one else. He had been President nine months, he had been
officially warned of just such an attack a full month before it
happened. As President, ultimately he and only he was responsible for
our failure to avert those attacks.

We should expect that a sitting President would vacation less, if at
all, and instead tend to the business of running the country, especially
if he is, as he likes to boast, a “wartime president.” America is in
service 365 days a year. We don’t need a part-time President who does
not show up for duty as Commander-In-Chief until he is forced to, and
who is in a constant state of blameless denial when things don’t get
done.

What has evolved from the virtual go-it-alone conquest of Iraq is more
gruesome than a stain on a White House intern’s dress. America’s
reputation and influence in the world has diminished, leaving us with
brute force as our most persuasive voice.

Iraq is now a quagmire: no WMDs, no substantive link between Saddam and
Osama, and no workable plan for the withdrawal of our troops. We are
asked to go along on faith. But remember, blind patriotism can be a
dangerous thing and “spin” will not bring back to life a dead soldier;
certainly not a thousand of them.
Kerry has remained true to his vote granting the President the authority
to use the threat of war to intimidate Saddam Hussein into allowing
weapons inspections. He believes President Bush rushed into war before
the inspectors finished their jobs.

Kerry also voted against President Bush’s $87 billion for troop funding
because the bill promoted poor policy in Iraq, privileged Halliburton
and other corporate friends of the Bush administration to profiteer from
the war, and forced debt upon future generations of Americans.

Kerry’s four-point plan for Iraq is realistic, wise, strong, and
correct. With the help from our European and Middle Eastern allies, his
plan is to train Iraqi security forces, involve Iraqis in their
rebuilding and constitution-writing processes, forgive Iraq’s
multi-billion dollar debts, and convene a regional conference with
Iraq’s neighbors in order to secure a pledge of respect for Iraq’s
borders and non-interference in Iraq’s internal affairs.

The publishers of the Iconoclast differ with Bush on other issues,
including the denial of stem cell research, shortchanging veterans’
entitlements, cutting school programs and grants, dictating what our
children learn through a thought-controlling “test” from Washington
rather than allowing local school boards and parents to decide how young
people should be taught, ignoring the environment, and creating
extraneous language in the Patriot Act that removes some of the very
freedoms that our founding fathers and generations of soldiers fought so
hard to preserve.

We are concerned about the vast exportation of jobs to other countries,
due in large part to policies carried out by Bush appointees. Funds
previously geared at retention of small companies are being given to
larger concerns, such as Halliburton — companies with strong ties to oil
and gas. Job training has been cut every year that Bush has resided at
the White House.
Then there is his resolve to inadequately finance Homeland Security and
to cut the Community Oriented Policing Program (COPS) by 94 percent, to
reduce money for rural development, to slash appropriations for the
Small Business Administration, and to under-fund veterans’ programs.
Likewise troubling is that President Bush fought against the creation of
the 9/11 Commission and is yet to embrace its recommendations.

Vice President Cheney’s Halliburton has been awarded
multi-billion-dollar contracts without undergoing any meaningful bid
process — an enormous conflict of interest — plus the company has been
significantly raiding the funds of Export-Import Bank of America,
reducing investment that could have gone toward small business trade.

When examined based on all the facts, Kerry’s voting record is enviable
and echoes that of many Bush allies who are aghast at how the Bush
administration has destroyed the American economy. Compared to Bush on
economic issues, Kerry would be an arch-conservative, providing for
Americans first. He has what it takes to right our wronged economy.

The re-election of George W. Bush would be a mandate to continue on our
present course of chaos. We cannot afford to double the debt that we
already have. We need to be moving in the opposite direction.
John Kerry has 30 years of experience looking out for the American
people and can navigate our country back to prosperity and re-instill in
America the dignity she so craves and deserves. He has served us well as
a highly decorated Vietnam veteran and has had a successful career as a
district attorney, lieutenant governor, and senator.

Kerry has a positive vision for America, plus the proven intelligence,
good sense, and guts to make it happen.
That’s why The Iconoclast urges Texans not to rate the candidate by his
hometown or even his political party, but instead by where he intends to
take the country.

The Iconoclast wholeheartedly endorses John Kerry.




















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