It occurred to me this morning that, drunk or sober, everyone stops
drinking sooner or later. 'The bottom' for many of my relatives has
involved a family gathering, a wooden box and a priest.

Some of you (like john Drogue's experience, posted yesterday) involved
little more than a realisation and (not to paraphrase, but...) the
acceptance of a new way forward.

And - clearly - many more of you (such as R. McGregor's posted
experiences) went way further down a miserable road before choosing to
turn around.

The other concept that comes up from time to time is the myth of the
bottom... (just stop digging and you're there... doesn;t need to
involve an arrest or the loss of your home etc.)

It would be interesting to many to hear about individual experiences -
both the tragic 'bottoms' and those that were more passive.

best,

Chegs

"Cheggers" <cheggers2004@hotmail.com> wrote in message .
>
> Some of you (like john Drogue's experience, posted yesterday) involved
> little more than a realisation and (not to paraphrase, but...) the
> acceptance of a new way forward.
>

>
> It would be interesting to many to hear about individual experiences -
> both the tragic 'bottoms' and those that were more passive.
>
> best,
>
> Chegs
Chegs
In the year before waking up not shaking I was divorced for the third time,
lost a 30 year career, unemployed and unemployable, bankrupt and living in
an old trailer with the little money the bankruptcy court left me, given 3
weeks to settle my "affairs" before presenting myself to jail, knew finally
that I was an alcoholic and kept doing what I did best--drinking. But more
than all that I had lost myself. I had driven that road warrior Cadillac
down the road over the cliff and when I'd hit bottom, I got out a shovel and
dug deeper.
John

help! I just started drinking again after 4 months. I feel stupid and
afraid,but the truth is once I sttart I can]t stop.
615-367-3502

"Cheggers" <cheggers2004@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:ffb957f.0408060524.34022f95@posting.google.co m...
> It occurred to me this morning that, drunk or sober, everyone stops
> drinking sooner or later. 'The bottom' for many of my relatives has
> involved a family gathering, a wooden box and a priest.
>
> Some of you (like john Drogue's experience, posted yesterday) involved
> little more than a realisation and (not to paraphrase, but...) the
> acceptance of a new way forward.
>
> And - clearly - many more of you (such as R. McGregor's posted
> experiences) went way further down a miserable road before choosing to
> turn around.
>
> The other concept that comes up from time to time is the myth of the
> bottom... (just stop digging and you're there... doesn;t need to
> involve an arrest or the loss of your home etc.)
>
> It would be interesting to many to hear about individual experiences -
> both the tragic 'bottoms' and those that were more passive.
>
> best,
>
> Chegs

"Gregg Fowler" <totsobNOSPAM@NOSPAMnetzero.com> wrote in message
news:uaydnSCCnskOQ47cRVn-jg@comcast.com...
> help! I just started drinking again after 4 months. I feel stupid and
> afraid,but the truth is once I sttart I can]t stop.
> 615-367-3502
>
Sorry the unhooked.com, Smart Recovery and "... a variety of resources" did
not work. You want help, it's out there---but YOU gotta call.
John

"John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Gregg Fowler" <totsobNOSPAM@NOSPAMnetzero.com> wrote in message
> news:uaydnSCCnskOQ47cRVn-jg@comcast.com...
> > help! I just started drinking again after 4 months. I feel stupid and
> > afraid,but the truth is once I sttart I can]t stop.
> > 615-367-3502
> >
> Sorry the unhooked.com, Smart Recovery and "... a variety of resources"
did
> not work. You want help, it's out there---but YOU gotta call.
> John
>
>
John? What do you mean? A woman just called me that was fairly local and
really helped. Far as I know I haven't seen your to call. You seem to be
real sensible at times. Love to have other input.

Gregg

"Gregg Fowler" <totsobNOSPAM@NOSPAMnetzero.com> wrote in message
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>
> "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:AFRQc.11389$cK.851@newsread2.news.pas.earthli nk.net...
> >
> > "Gregg Fowler" <totsobNOSPAM@NOSPAMnetzero.com> wrote in message
> > news:uaydnSCCnskOQ47cRVn-jg@comcast.com...
> > > help! I just started drinking again after 4 months. I feel stupid
and
> > > afraid,but the truth is once I sttart I can]t stop.
> > > 615-367-3502
> > >
> > Sorry the unhooked.com, Smart Recovery and "... a variety of resources"
> did
> > not work. You want help, it's out there---but YOU gotta call.
> > John
> >
> >
> John? What do you mean? A woman just called me that was fairly local and
> really helped. Far as I know I haven't seen your to call. You seem to be
> real sensible at times. Love to have other input.
>
> Gregg
>
Gregg
The you gotta call is as in --you gotta call AA. I only know only one person
who was as alcoholic as me that got sober (and stayed sober for 8yrs) by
himself. I know many many who have done it with AA. I know I'm one of the
dolts (per that yutz Greatly Anal-hp-gawd) who keeps telling the people out
there still suffering that AA is the way to go but it saved my ass when I
was a zombie--a walking dead man. Did you read where I was when I sobered
up. Even though I am currently unemployed and can not afford to call you
long distance, I am living Life again thanks to my Creator and AA. Me
calling you is not the point, you deciding to call someone is.
John
PS The name I post under is my own and my email address is not a cover.

gregg,
please call your local AA and get to a meeting.

--
rosie

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"Gregg Fowler" <totsobNOSPAM@NOSPAMnetzero.com> wrote in message
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: help! I just started drinking again after 4 months. I feel
stupid and
: afraid,but the truth is once I sttart I can]t stop.
: 615-367-3502
:
: "Cheggers" <cheggers2004@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: news:ffb957f.0408060524.34022f95@posting.google.co m...
: > It occurred to me this morning that, drunk or sober, everyone
stops
: > drinking sooner or later. 'The bottom' for many of my relatives
has
: > involved a family gathering, a wooden box and a priest.
: >
: > Some of you (like john Drogue's experience, posted yesterday)
involved
: > little more than a realisation and (not to paraphrase, but...)
the
: > acceptance of a new way forward.
: >
: > And - clearly - many more of you (such as R. McGregor's posted
: > experiences) went way further down a miserable road before
choosing to
: > turn around.
: >
: > The other concept that comes up from time to time is the myth of
the
: > bottom... (just stop digging and you're there... doesn;t need to
: > involve an arrest or the loss of your home etc.)
: >
: > It would be interesting to many to hear about individual
experiences -
: > both the tragic 'bottoms' and those that were more passive.
: >
: > best,
: >
: > Chegs
:
:

"Gregg Fowler" <totsobNOSPAM@NOSPAMnetzero.com> wrote in message
news:ae-dnbpBwrTQaY7cRVn-oQ@comcast.com...
>
> "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> news:AFRQc.11389$cK.851@newsread2.news.pas.earthli nk.net...
> >
> > "Gregg Fowler" <totsobNOSPAM@NOSPAMnetzero.com> wrote in message
> > news:uaydnSCCnskOQ47cRVn-jg@comcast.com...
> > > help! I just started drinking again after 4 months. I feel stupid
and
> > > afraid,but the truth is once I sttart I can]t stop.
> > > 615-367-3502
> > >
> > Sorry the unhooked.com, Smart Recovery and "... a variety of resources"
> did
> > not work. You want help, it's out there---but YOU gotta call.
> > John
> >
> >
> John? What do you mean? A woman just called me that was fairly local and
> really helped. Far as I know I haven't seen your to call. You seem to be
> real sensible at times. Love to have other input.
>
> Gregg
>
>

You know Gregg, Some of them might be right. There is always a chance that
those of us who tried AA and got results are just full of it. Who cares?
Well, we care and many of us are sober because of what we found there. As
John pointed out -- you gotta call - you gotta go. Maybe AA is not ready
for you -- Maybe you are not ready for AA. But from what you say, it's
unlikely it going to to AA will make it any worse.

I hope we get to see you there. We'll be the ones laughing -- at
ourselves -- You see, we're not a glum lot.

Bobby L

Dear Greg - Do something different. If you keep on doing what you always did
you will keep on getting what you always got. There is a way and you will be
able to follow that way and be happy and sober. I promise you.
Kind regards
Mias
"Gregg Fowler" <totsobNOSPAM@NOSPAMnetzero.com> wrote in message
news:uaydnSCCnskOQ47cRVn-jg@comcast.com...
> help! I just started drinking again after 4 months. I feel stupid and
> afraid,but the truth is once I sttart I can]t stop.
> 615-367-3502
>
> "Cheggers" <cheggers2004@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:ffb957f.0408060524.34022f95@posting.google.co m...
> > It occurred to me this morning that, drunk or sober, everyone stops
> > drinking sooner or later. 'The bottom' for many of my relatives has
> > involved a family gathering, a wooden box and a priest.
> >
> > Some of you (like john Drogue's experience, posted yesterday) involved
> > little more than a realisation and (not to paraphrase, but...) the
> > acceptance of a new way forward.
> >
> > And - clearly - many more of you (such as R. McGregor's posted
> > experiences) went way further down a miserable road before choosing to
> > turn around.
> >
> > The other concept that comes up from time to time is the myth of the
> > bottom... (just stop digging and you're there... doesn;t need to
> > involve an arrest or the loss of your home etc.)
> >
> > It would be interesting to many to hear about individual experiences -
> > both the tragic 'bottoms' and those that were more passive.
> >
> > best,
> >
> > Chegs
>
>

"Gregg Fowler" <totsobNOSPAM@NOSPAMnetzero.com> wrote in message
news:uaydnSCCnskOQ47cRVn-jg@comcast.com...
> help! I just started drinking again after 4 months. I feel stupid and
> afraid,but the truth is once I sttart I can]t stop.
> 615-367-3502

I have to agree with Rosie on this one, Gregg -a meeting did me a lot of
good today. Or as JB said, you can call A.A. and there's usually somebody
who's been sober awhile who might be better to talk with than another
currently drinking person. But I'll call you if you like, provided area
code 615 isn't some scam pay-per-minute offshore deal....
-Fred