Twenty-Four Hours A Day

A.A. Thought For The Day

The Alcoholics Anonymous program has borrowed from medicine,
psychiatry, and religion. It has taken from these what it wanted and
combined them into the program which it considers best suited to the
alcoholic mind and which will best help the alcoholic to recover.
The
results have been very satisfactory. We do not try to improve on the
A.A. program. Its value has been proved by the success it has had in
helping thousands of alcoholics to recover. It has everything we
alcoholics need to arrest our illness. Do I try to follow the A.A.
program just as it is?

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:28:07 GMT, "rosie read and post"
<readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:

>The Alcoholics Anonymous program has borrowed from medicine,
>psychiatry, and religion.

Psychiatry _is_ medicine. AA did not borrow anything
from medicine.

>We do not try to improve on the A.A. program.

Yep. A sure sign that the program has nothing
to do with reality and that its real intentions
have nothing to do with alcoholism:

>Its value has been proved by the success it has had in
>helping thousands of alcoholics to recover.

Ford Model T's value has been proved by the success
it had in helping millions to move from one place
to another. According to AA's logic, it needed no
improvements. Do AA memebers drive Model T to this day?

HP-G

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 10:41:49 -0500, H.P. Gawd
<hpgawd@non-anonymous.org> wrote:

>On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:28:07 GMT, "rosie read and post"
><readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>The Alcoholics Anonymous program has borrowed from medicine,
>>psychiatry, and religion.
>
>Psychiatry _is_ medicine. AA did not borrow anything
>from medicine.

Not even Step 1?

Without "medicine" and certain non-alcoholic individuals who practiced
that "medicine", AA would not exist.

--
Blue Moon

"H.P. Gawd" <hpgawd@non-anonymous.org> wrote in
> Do AA memebers drive Model T to this day?
>
> HP-G
>
The lucky ones who can afford them.
John

"H.P. Gawd" <hpgawd@non-anonymous.org> wrote in message
news:9a3qg05p94fc0e5hhlvs8ldmvvcrpv9um8@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:28:07 GMT, "rosie read and post"
> <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >The Alcoholics Anonymous program has borrowed from medicine,
> >psychiatry, and religion.
>
> Psychiatry _is_ medicine. AA did not borrow anything
> from medicine.

It's view that alcoholism is an illness of both the body and mind came
from a Dr Silkworth MD, who specialised in treating alcoholics in a
clinic called the Towns Hospital in New York.

> >We do not try to improve on the A.A. program.
>
> Yep. A sure sign that the program has nothing
> to do with reality and that its real intentions
> have nothing to do with alcoholism:

Others have suggested that's because it works. However, it doesn't
work for everyone. Do you know any recovery programme that does ?
Does anyone ?
>
> >Its value has been proved by the success it has had in
> >helping thousands of alcoholics to recover.
>
> Ford Model T's value has been proved by the success
> it had in helping millions to move from one place
> to another. According to AA's logic, it needed no
> improvements. Do AA memebers drive Model T to this day?

AA's recovery programme evolved from the Oxford Groups' recovery
programme. Subsequently, other recovery programmes have been
developed, eg Moderation Management, Smart and the programmes devised
by T Gorski. If only one recovery programme existed, probably, it
wouldn't work for everyone. A programme only works while it makes
sense to those who work it and they take on board the lessons it
teaches.

JB

hey moon.......................it must be true GAWD says so!

--

just another republican witch hunt!
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"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:no4qg09355574sedivoe7bi8ccfg5u1iop@4ax.com...
: On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 10:41:49 -0500, H.P. Gawd
: <hpgawd@non-anonymous.org> wrote:
:
: >On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:28:07 GMT, "rosie read and post"
: ><readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:
: >
: >>The Alcoholics Anonymous program has borrowed from medicine,
: >>psychiatry, and religion.
: >
: >Psychiatry _is_ medicine. AA did not borrow anything
: >from medicine.
:
: Not even Step 1?
:
: Without "medicine" and certain non-alcoholic individuals who
practiced
: that "medicine", AA would not exist.
:
: --
: Blue Moon

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 22:35:21 GMT, "readandpost rosie"
<readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:

>hey moon.......................it must be true GAWD says so!
>

Careful there, rosi. I am your HP after all.

G.

On Sun, 1 Aug 2004 18:19:38 +0100, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote:

>
>"H.P. Gawd" <hpgawd@non-anonymous.org> wrote in message
>news:9a3qg05p94fc0e5hhlvs8ldmvvcrpv9um8@4ax.com.. .
>> On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 13:28:07 GMT, "rosie read and post"
>> <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Its value has been proved by the success it has had in
>> >helping thousands of alcoholics to recover.
>>
>> Ford Model T's value has been proved by the success
>> it had in helping millions to move from one place
>> to another. According to AA's logic, it needed no
>> improvements. Do AA memebers drive Model T to this day?
>
>AA's recovery programme evolved from the Oxford Groups' recovery
>programme. Subsequently, other recovery programmes have been
>developed, eg Moderation Management, Smart and the programmes devised
>by T Gorski. If only one recovery programme existed, probably, it
>wouldn't work for everyone. A programme only works while it makes
>sense to those who work it and they take on board the lessons it
>teaches.

A classic sophist trick - change the subject. We are
not talking AA's efficacy and its relation to other programs
here. We are talking about moronic thesis that no attempt
ever needs to be made to improve something because the value
of that something has been proved by its success.

And the fact that you are not driving Model T now is
all the evidence required to prove that this thesis is wrong.

HP-G

"H.P. Gawd" <hpgawd@non-anonymous.org> wrote in message



: Careful there, rosi. I am your HP after all.
:
: G.
:

On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 20:47:16 -0500, H.P. Gawd
<hpgawd@non-anonymous.org> wrote:


>
>And the fact that you are not driving Model T now is
>all the evidence required to prove that this thesis is wrong.

Doesn't say much for human DNA.....