On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 11:39:05 -0500, GaryE <garyexxxnospam@nadaswbell.net> wrote:

>On Sun, 01 Aug 2004 20:47:16 -0500, H.P. Gawd
><hpgawd@non-anonymous.org> wrote:
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>>And the fact that you are not driving Model T now is
>>all the evidence required to prove that this thesis is wrong.
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>Doesn't say much for human DNA.....

Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. What DNA?
There was a statement that AA des not ever seek improvement
because it does not need one. This can only mean either
that AA is _perfect_ or that AA does not really aim to
help alcoholics as best as possible.

Sicne the former is impossible is principle, the latter
must be true. I don't see where human DNA can be plugged
in here.

100% of medical research DID progresse tremendously
during past 60 years. And 100% of, it should be noted,
deals with "human DNA".

HP-G

On - Mon, Aug 2, 2004, 11:39am (EDT-1) garyexxxnospam@nadaswbell.net
(GaryE) wrote:

> Doesn't say much for human DNA.....

"positive experiences of imagery, symbolic experience and the numinosum
could facilitate the immune system by turning on the interleukin gene
and facilitate healing. This prediction has now come true. Castes et al.
(1999) demonstrated how a psychotherapeutic program facilitating
self-esteem, guided imagery and relaxation in asthmatic children was
able to reduce their symptoms by turning on interleukin-2 mRNA (and by
implication its gene) and a number of other healing factors of the
immune system.

It would be difficult to overestimate the significance of this research.
It clearly demonstrates how psyche can modulate soma at the most
fundamental level of gene expression. I view this as the modern
realization of the ancient alchemical quest to facilitate healing of the
physical body via developments on the psychological and spiritual
levels.

The immune system is widely interpreted as being able to distinguish
between self (our normal cells) and non-self (bacteria and viruses) in
facilitating healing. In a profound sense this new
psychoneuroimmunological research provides a model of how we can create
healing rituals to evoke numinous experiences to facilitate activity
dependent gene expression and neurogenesis that is the molecular basis
for healing relationships between consciousness, psyche, soma, and
Jung's concept of the Self."

On Mon, 02 Aug 2004 13:16:06 -0500, H.P. Gawd
<hpgawd@non-anonymous.org> wrote:

>Sorry, I don't understand what you mean. What DNA?
>There was a statement that AA des not ever seek improvement
>because it does not need one. This can only mean either
>that AA is _perfect_ or that AA does not really aim to
>help alcoholics as best as possible.

No, it's a case of "if it works, don't fix it".

Rather different fromt the Model T Ford, because people wanted to
improve on the design. Y'see, when it came to a comfortable ride,
in-car entertainment, cold-starting, etc. it didn't work at all well.

AA could be improved. But the risk with "improvement" is making
matters worse, not better.

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Blue Moon