"We all had the same problem; we all did the same things; we all get
the same results, in proportion to our zeal and enthusiasm and
stick-to-it-iveness."

---------------
Vigilance
“Is there anything I can do to make myself Enlightened?”
“As little as you can do to make the sun rise in the morning.”
“Then of what use are the spiritual exercises you prescribe?”
“To make sure you are not asleep when the sun begins to rise.”

"rockhound" <helo@null.com> wrote in message
news:iavgc0pfvf0ons41sftd6elpechuqbnsue@4ax.com...
:
: "We all had the same problem; we all did the same things; we all
get
: the same results, in proportion to our zeal and enthusiasm and
: stick-to-it-iveness."
:
:

AMEN!

"rockhound" <helo@null.com> wrote in message
> Vigilance
> "Is there anything I can do to make myself Enlightened?"
> "As little as you can do to make the sun rise in the morning."
> "Then of what use are the spiritual exercises you prescribe?"
> "To make sure you are not asleep when the sun begins to rise."
Hey rock
In regards to your quest about offering your services it seems you have
answered your own question. Figgered you would.
John
PS
I hope you left poor Tooter alone, it was probably time for him to go home--
"Help Mr. Wizard!"

"John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>"rockhound" <helo@null.com> wrote in message
>> Vigilance
>> "Is there anything I can do to make myself Enlightened?"
>> "As little as you can do to make the sun rise in the morning."
>> "Then of what use are the spiritual exercises you prescribe?"
>> "To make sure you are not asleep when the sun begins to rise."
>Hey rock
>In regards to your quest about offering your services it seems you have
>answered your own question. Figgered you would.
>John

....a fake it till u make it thingy then...i'm guessing...


rock (still victimized by delusions, resentments, self-pity, prideful
self-righteousness, rebellion, turbulent emotions, et al., tho maybe
on a slightly lesser scale...not quite so dark in here no more...)

"rockhound" <helo@null.com> wrote in message
news:s18hc0hvba71g6org15lu2ekeigcnhpqlf@4ax.com...
> "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"rockhound" <helo@null.com> wrote in message
> >> Vigilance
> >> "Is there anything I can do to make myself Enlightened?"
> >> "As little as you can do to make the sun rise in the morning."
> >> "Then of what use are the spiritual exercises you prescribe?"
> >> "To make sure you are not asleep when the sun begins to rise."
> >Hey rock
> >In regards to your quest about offering your services it seems you have
> >answered your own question. Figgered you would.
> >John
>
> ...a fake it till u make it thingy then...i'm guessing...
>
>
> rock (still victimized by delusions, resentments, self-pity, prideful
> self-righteousness, rebellion, turbulent emotions, et al., tho maybe
> on a slightly lesser scale...not quite so dark in here no more...)
You where expecting the sunrise to come with "rockets bells and poetry"
maybe?? They just kinda---happen; even when it's raining.
John

"John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>"rockhound" <helo@null.com> wrote in message
>news:s18hc0hvba71g6org15lu2ekeigcnhpqlf@4ax.com.. .
>> "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"rockhound" <helo@null.com> wrote in message
>> >> Vigilance
>> >> "Is there anything I can do to make myself Enlightened?"
>> >> "As little as you can do to make the sun rise in the morning."
>> >> "Then of what use are the spiritual exercises you prescribe?"
>> >> "To make sure you are not asleep when the sun begins to rise."
>> >Hey rock
>> >In regards to your quest about offering your services it seems you have
>> >answered your own question. Figgered you would.
>> >John
>>
>> ...a fake it till u make it thingy then...i'm guessing...
>>
>>
>> rock (still victimized by delusions, resentments, self-pity, prideful
>> self-righteousness, rebellion, turbulent emotions, et al., tho maybe
>> on a slightly lesser scale...not quite so dark in here no more...)

>You where expecting the sunrise to come with "rockets bells and poetry"
>maybe?? They just kinda---happen; even when it's raining.
>John

I do, i expect it to come, however it comes, i expect it. I want it.
But anyway i trudge, me in tow, in and out of the pages of Alcoholics
Anonymous that i do like to scramble so, somehow to find the trick of
becoming a decent human being.

I'm thinking of moving the beer to the cupboard, since most of the
people coming around here seem to just want to talk, and always keep
saying no when i offer.

I'll ask them what they think.

That way, if i should get hit with the compulsion, it will be warm
beer that sets me off...

--------
action and more action...real easy for a lazy bugger. sheesh.

Once, long ago, when I was "stopped on willpower" for seven years, I met a
young guy who admired my not drinking and 'wisdom' so much that he
litterally phoned me every night, trunk call, for advice and support. I gave
him the best I got. The problem started when I started drinking again and
did not want to share that with him because I thought he might doubt my
advice then. I did not think that strange or dishonest at that time. Life is
strange sometimes...
Regards and goodnight
Mias
"rockhound" <helo@null.com> wrote in message
news:hiahc01artsf9k6dqa1akrc5s16vqutlvj@4ax.com...
> "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >
> >"rockhound" <helo@null.com> wrote in message
> >news:s18hc0hvba71g6org15lu2ekeigcnhpqlf@4ax.com.. .
> >> "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"rockhound" <helo@null.com> wrote in message
> >> >> Vigilance
> >> >> "Is there anything I can do to make myself Enlightened?"
> >> >> "As little as you can do to make the sun rise in the morning."
> >> >> "Then of what use are the spiritual exercises you prescribe?"
> >> >> "To make sure you are not asleep when the sun begins to rise."
> >> >Hey rock
> >> >In regards to your quest about offering your services it seems you
have
> >> >answered your own question. Figgered you would.
> >> >John
> >>
> >> ...a fake it till u make it thingy then...i'm guessing...
> >>
> >>
> >> rock (still victimized by delusions, resentments, self-pity, prideful
> >> self-righteousness, rebellion, turbulent emotions, et al., tho maybe
> >> on a slightly lesser scale...not quite so dark in here no more...)
>
> >You where expecting the sunrise to come with "rockets bells and poetry"
> >maybe?? They just kinda---happen; even when it's raining.
> >John
>
> I do, i expect it to come, however it comes, i expect it. I want it.
> But anyway i trudge, me in tow, in and out of the pages of Alcoholics
> Anonymous that i do like to scramble so, somehow to find the trick of
> becoming a decent human being.
>
> I'm thinking of moving the beer to the cupboard, since most of the
> people coming around here seem to just want to talk, and always keep
> saying no when i offer.
>
> I'll ask them what they think.
>
> That way, if i should get hit with the compulsion, it will be warm
> beer that sets me off...
>
> --------
> action and more action...real easy for a lazy bugger. sheesh.

"Mias" <emiasno@spamnetactivetome.co.za> wrote:

>Once, long ago, when I was "stopped on willpower" for seven years, I met a
>young guy who admired my not drinking and 'wisdom' so much that he
>litterally phoned me every night, trunk call, for advice and support. I gave
>him the best I got. The problem started when I started drinking again and
>did not want to share that with him because I thought he might doubt my
>advice then. I did not think that strange or dishonest at that time. Life is
>strange sometimes...
>Regards and goodnight
>Mias

Haha maybe he's sober and doing a much better job of it! That might
have been the quality of 'honesty' i've heard talked about - learning
the difference when to tell the truth and when to remain silent. Bill
Wilson lost his temper constantly, but realizing what a role model he
had become, he was careful about his public behavior and reputation.
That's only kind, to restrict those enjoyable self-righteous benders,
for the benefit of others.

I've seen a few pass off a Big Book on someone on their way out for a
bender. Didn't hurt them any, Big Book never promised sobriety to
everyone, just everyone who followed the directions. In fact, it
suggests quite clearly that many of us might drink again, and
encourages us to do so at the outset. Further, i have made fast
friends at bars during my drinking days whenever mental compulsion,
physical craving, and spiritual tools became the topics of discussion.

Sleep tight.

---------------
"Perfectionists, they say, are either full of conceit because they
fancy they have reached some impossible goal, or else they are swamped
in self-condemnation because they have not done so. Yet it is not the
fault of great ideals that they are sometimes misused, and so become
shallow excuses for guilt, rebellion and pride. On the contrary, we
cannot grow very much unless we constantly try to envision what the
eternal spiritual values are. This surely means that we ought to look
toward 'God's perfection as our guide rather than as a goal to be
reached in any foreseeable time."


>"rockhound" <helo@null.com> wrote in message
>news:hiahc01artsf9k6dqa1akrc5s16vqutlvj@4ax.com.. .
>> "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> >"rockhound" <helo@null.com> wrote in message
>> >news:s18hc0hvba71g6org15lu2ekeigcnhpqlf@4ax.com.. .
>> >> "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> >"rockhound" <helo@null.com> wrote in message
>> >> >> Vigilance
>> >> >> "Is there anything I can do to make myself Enlightened?"
>> >> >> "As little as you can do to make the sun rise in the morning."
>> >> >> "Then of what use are the spiritual exercises you prescribe?"
>> >> >> "To make sure you are not asleep when the sun begins to rise."
>> >> >Hey rock
>> >> >In regards to your quest about offering your services it seems you
>have
>> >> >answered your own question. Figgered you would.
>> >> >John
>> >>
>> >> ...a fake it till u make it thingy then...i'm guessing...
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> rock (still victimized by delusions, resentments, self-pity, prideful
>> >> self-righteousness, rebellion, turbulent emotions, et al., tho maybe
>> >> on a slightly lesser scale...not quite so dark in here no more...)
>>
>> >You where expecting the sunrise to come with "rockets bells and poetry"
>> >maybe?? They just kinda---happen; even when it's raining.
>> >John
>>
>> I do, i expect it to come, however it comes, i expect it. I want it.
>> But anyway i trudge, me in tow, in and out of the pages of Alcoholics
>> Anonymous that i do like to scramble so, somehow to find the trick of
>> becoming a decent human being.
>>
>> I'm thinking of moving the beer to the cupboard, since most of the
>> people coming around here seem to just want to talk, and always keep
>> saying no when i offer.
>>
>> I'll ask them what they think.
>>
>> That way, if i should get hit with the compulsion, it will be warm
>> beer that sets me off...
>>
>> --------
>> action and more action...real easy for a lazy bugger. sheesh.
>

rock,
it still sound like your "running your own
show"......................
how has "your way" worked for you thus far?

--
rosie

..........while reagan rarely missed an
opportunity to invoke America's greatness, bush rarely misses a
chance to
scare and divide us.
................................a.huffington




"rockhound" <helo@null.com> wrote in message
news:hiahc01artsf9k6dqa1akrc5s16vqutlvj@4ax.com...
: "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:
:
: >
: >"rockhound" <helo@null.com> wrote in message
: >news:s18hc0hvba71g6org15lu2ekeigcnhpqlf@4ax.com.. .
: >> "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:
: >>
: >> >
: >> >"rockhound" <helo@null.com> wrote in message
: >> >> Vigilance
: >> >> "Is there anything I can do to make myself Enlightened?"
: >> >> "As little as you can do to make the sun rise in the
morning."
: >> >> "Then of what use are the spiritual exercises you
prescribe?"
: >> >> "To make sure you are not asleep when the sun begins to
rise."
: >> >Hey rock
: >> >In regards to your quest about offering your services it seems
you have
: >> >answered your own question. Figgered you would.
: >> >John
: >>
: >> ...a fake it till u make it thingy then...i'm guessing...
: >>
: >>
: >> rock (still victimized by delusions, resentments, self-pity,
prideful
: >> self-righteousness, rebellion, turbulent emotions, et al., tho
maybe
: >> on a slightly lesser scale...not quite so dark in here no
more...)
:
: >You where expecting the sunrise to come with "rockets bells and
poetry"
: >maybe?? They just kinda---happen; even when it's raining.
: >John
:
: I do, i expect it to come, however it comes, i expect it. I want
it.
: But anyway i trudge, me in tow, in and out of the pages of
Alcoholics
: Anonymous that i do like to scramble so, somehow to find the trick
of
: becoming a decent human being.
:
: I'm thinking of moving the beer to the cupboard, since most of the
: people coming around here seem to just want to talk, and always
keep
: saying no when i offer.
:
: I'll ask them what they think.
:
: That way, if i should get hit with the compulsion, it will be warm
: beer that sets me off...
:
: --------
: action and more action...real easy for a lazy bugger. sheesh.

Reminds me - another time I was pissed out of my cotton picking mind
sidewalking and this guy came past and I accosted him verbosiously as was my
way when pissed.
We spoke and he said he had a few and he feels real shit because he was
supposed to chair an AA meeting that night. That was before I stumbled into
AA. I CONVINCED him there and then that he owes the group an apology in his
current state and he left and said that was what he would do. I sidewinded
sidewalked on to the next pub where I might still have been conditionally
welcome. My God but it is a good thing that I remember all the seven kinds
that happened to me selectively otherwise it would swamp one.
Goooodnight for real now
Mias
"rockhound" <helo@null.com> wrote in message
news:bqbhc0h0uptp658d1a9l924eto03l23ecj@4ax.com...
> "Mias" <emiasno@spamnetactivetome.co.za> wrote:
>
> >Once, long ago, when I was "stopped on willpower" for seven years, I met
a
> >young guy who admired my not drinking and 'wisdom' so much that he
> >litterally phoned me every night, trunk call, for advice and support. I
gave
> >him the best I got. The problem started when I started drinking again and
> >did not want to share that with him because I thought he might doubt my
> >advice then. I did not think that strange or dishonest at that time. Life
is
> >strange sometimes...
> >Regards and goodnight
> >Mias
>
> Haha maybe he's sober and doing a much better job of it! That might
> have been the quality of 'honesty' i've heard talked about - learning
> the difference when to tell the truth and when to remain silent. Bill
> Wilson lost his temper constantly, but realizing what a role model he
> had become, he was careful about his public behavior and reputation.
> That's only kind, to restrict those enjoyable self-righteous benders,
> for the benefit of others.
>
> I've seen a few pass off a Big Book on someone on their way out for a
> bender. Didn't hurt them any, Big Book never promised sobriety to
> everyone, just everyone who followed the directions. In fact, it
> suggests quite clearly that many of us might drink again, and
> encourages us to do so at the outset. Further, i have made fast
> friends at bars during my drinking days whenever mental compulsion,
> physical craving, and spiritual tools became the topics of discussion.
>
> Sleep tight.
>
> ---------------
> "Perfectionists, they say, are either full of conceit because they
> fancy they have reached some impossible goal, or else they are swamped
> in self-condemnation because they have not done so. Yet it is not the
> fault of great ideals that they are sometimes misused, and so become
> shallow excuses for guilt, rebellion and pride. On the contrary, we
> cannot grow very much unless we constantly try to envision what the
> eternal spiritual values are. This surely means that we ought to look
> toward 'God's perfection as our guide rather than as a goal to be
> reached in any foreseeable time."
>
>
> >"rockhound" <helo@null.com> wrote in message
> >news:hiahc01artsf9k6dqa1akrc5s16vqutlvj@4ax.com.. .
> >> "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> >
> >> >"rockhound" <helo@null.com> wrote in message
> >> >news:s18hc0hvba71g6org15lu2ekeigcnhpqlf@4ax.com.. .
> >> >> "John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> >
> >> >> >"rockhound" <helo@null.com> wrote in message
> >> >> >> Vigilance
> >> >> >> "Is there anything I can do to make myself Enlightened?"
> >> >> >> "As little as you can do to make the sun rise in the morning."
> >> >> >> "Then of what use are the spiritual exercises you prescribe?"
> >> >> >> "To make sure you are not asleep when the sun begins to rise."
> >> >> >Hey rock
> >> >> >In regards to your quest about offering your services it seems you
> >have
> >> >> >answered your own question. Figgered you would.
> >> >> >John
> >> >>
> >> >> ...a fake it till u make it thingy then...i'm guessing...
> >> >>
> >> >>
> >> >> rock (still victimized by delusions, resentments, self-pity,
prideful
> >> >> self-righteousness, rebellion, turbulent emotions, et al., tho maybe
> >> >> on a slightly lesser scale...not quite so dark in here no more...)
> >>
> >> >You where expecting the sunrise to come with "rockets bells and
poetry"
> >> >maybe?? They just kinda---happen; even when it's raining.
> >> >John
> >>
> >> I do, i expect it to come, however it comes, i expect it. I want it.
> >> But anyway i trudge, me in tow, in and out of the pages of Alcoholics
> >> Anonymous that i do like to scramble so, somehow to find the trick of
> >> becoming a decent human being.
> >>
> >> I'm thinking of moving the beer to the cupboard, since most of the
> >> people coming around here seem to just want to talk, and always keep
> >> saying no when i offer.
> >>
> >> I'll ask them what they think.
> >>
> >> That way, if i should get hit with the compulsion, it will be warm
> >> beer that sets me off...
> >>
> >> --------
> >> action and more action...real easy for a lazy bugger. sheesh.
> >
>