"Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 17 May 2004 03:15:45 GMT, "John Droge"
> <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >You keep asking "how is that chemical imbalance tested".
>
> That is the first question to ask of those diagnosing "chemical
> imbalance".
>
> If anyone actually produces an answer, which is rare, the next
> question is "how many doctors conduct any such test prior to
> prescribing for it?"
>
> I am unaware of anyone who was ever chemically tested for imbalance
> prior to being prescribed some very strong medication for it. Hands
> up anyone who would ever take chemotherapy tablets without being
> tested for cancer.
>
> >So what the hell did a google and got 39,400 hits. Your a smart lady
you've
> >done this before.
>
> Well, that would be a miracle, 'cos I'm not a lady
>
> --
> Blue Moon

Moon
Yeah sadly too few are in fact tested--costs money and most people (alas
not me) have medical ins. that won't authorize the test but will pay for the
symptoms being treated. Sorry to say but a person does need to take action
themselves and carefully find their own primary care Doc --it can be done
even for "self pays" like myself.
As to the lady bit- well I'm not free of all that delusional thinking of
the past-- but I'm workin' on it, I'm workin' on it. Damn and I thought I
was so fucking clever too<g>
John

"John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Blue Moon" <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c2990eb16dfefe77f129cd20e987bc28@news.teranew s.com...
> > On Mon, 17 May 2004 03:15:45 GMT, "John Droge"
> > <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:
> >
> > >You keep asking "how is that chemical imbalance
tested".
> >
> > That is the first question to ask of those diagnosing
"chemical
> > imbalance".
> >
> > If anyone actually produces an answer, which is rare,
the next
> > question is "how many doctors conduct any such test
prior to
> > prescribing for it?"
> >
> > I am unaware of anyone who was ever chemically tested
for imbalance
> > prior to being prescribed some very strong medication
for it. Hands
> > up anyone who would ever take chemotherapy tablets
without being
> > tested for cancer.
> >
> > >So what the hell did a google and got 39,400 hits. Your
a smart lady
> you've
> > >done this before.
> >
> > Well, that would be a miracle, 'cos I'm not a lady
> >
> > --
> > Blue Moon
>
> Moon
> Yeah sadly too few are in fact tested--costs money and
most people (alas
> not me) have medical ins. that won't authorize the test
but will pay for the
> symptoms being treated. Sorry to say but a person does
need to take action
> themselves and carefully find their own primary care
Doc --it can be done
> even for "self pays" like myself.
> As to the lady bit- well I'm not free of all that
delusional thinking of
> the past-- but I'm workin' on it, I'm workin' on it. Damn
and I thought I
> was so fucking clever too<g>
> John
>
http://tinyurl.com/2muta
" Many professional and lay people today think depression
can be caused by "chemical imbalance" in the brain even
though none of the "chemical imbalance" theories of
depression have been verified. Some of them are discussed
by Dr. Andreasen in her book The Broken Brain."

"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 17 May 2004 15:26:42 GMT, Blue Moon <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> >Google this group, and you'll find the transcript I posted here

>
> Can you google this for us, please, because the AA i once knew and
> loved had no position on drugs whatsoever except to say they would
> never cross over into that dark realm.
>
> AA offers a working solution to alcoholism, nothing more and nothing
> less, and demands no conformity whatsoever to any idea from anyone.
> They're just glad if their book helps anybody.
>
> I believe that much is clearly stated in their literature.
>
> Of course, i understand some Drug Prevention Squadron Leaders have
> sort of taken over the helm at central office USA,

rockhound
I read and agree with your sentiments here and your post about "trade
secrets" Looks like we did have some effect in the 60's and the
multi-nationals are now boring from within on us ( please Joe--say it ain't
so)
Please remember each group stands alone. I don't care if the regional, nay
even the National becomes a branch of the Republican National Committee (
John spiting on the ground, making the sign of the cross and looking for
some garlic) I will still visit as often as possible my second family.
John

"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 17 May 2004 15:36:17 GMT, rockhound <user@null.org> wrote:

> Not that i mean to beat around the bush or anything, but obviously
> those of you AAs who have by grace and effort and willingness been
> enabled to rejoin society with dedicated purpose and brotherly and
> harmonious action might want to double check who you've got in your
> sights. Might be a mirror after all, an old, old trick to be sure.
rockhound

Not really all that original to be sure but one of the things I bring up in
my home group from time to time, is what Pogo said many years ago " We have
met the enemy--and he is us". It is after all what the 4 th step is all
about ( that is no original thought on my part either) and all those
stinking gratitude meetings wear thin on me.
John

"John Droge" <jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
> "Robert McGregor" <robert_mcgregor@yahoo.com.au> wrote in
message
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> >
> > "The Next Frontier - Emotional Sobriety"
> >
> > by Bill Wilson, © Copyright, AA Grapevine, January 1958
>
> Bob
> Did you do the dreaded and (I guess from posts I've read)
morally
> reprehensible cut and paste to post this or did you type
it in?
> If cut and paste then I guess you need to do an amends. If
you typed it,
> then damn bro you've got way too much time on your hands
and you need a good
> hobby.

I copied and pasted from the AA grapevine website,
http://www.aagrapevine.org/archive/b...tFrontier.html
before the AA organisation stooped to pecuniary lengths in
making a profit from what was freely given to them, so
deleted that link.

Amends? What person was harmed?

Bob

On Mon, 17 May 2004 21:27:50 GMT, "John Droge"
<jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
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>
>> semi-delusional spew from your average rockhound
> rockhound
>
>Way too many url's for this sorry ol' hippie's ass

Yeah i know. Was a pain in the a** on this end too, but you should
learn your alphabet if you mean to teach it to others.

On Mon, 17 May 2004 22:30:45 GMT, "John Droge"
<jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
>news:abc65a3fb1fda226965a9db8fe06bbe0@news.terane ws.com...
>> On Mon, 17 May 2004 15:26:42 GMT, Blue Moon <mfoco@hotmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Google this group, and you'll find the transcript I posted here
>
>>
>> Can you google this for us, please, because the AA i once knew and
>> loved had no position on drugs whatsoever except to say they would
>> never cross over into that dark realm.
>>
>> AA offers a working solution to alcoholism, nothing more and nothing
>> less, and demands no conformity whatsoever to any idea from anyone.
>> They're just glad if their book helps anybody.
>>
>> I believe that much is clearly stated in their literature.
>>
>> Of course, i understand some Drug Prevention Squadron Leaders have
>> sort of taken over the helm at central office USA,
>
>rockhound
>I read and agree with your sentiments here and your post about "trade
>secrets" Looks like we did have some effect in the 60's and the
>multi-nationals are now boring from within on us ( please Joe--say it ain't
>so)

>Please remember each group stands alone.

Do they know that?

Who is lending the AA name to outside commercial enterprise such as
the women's quilting circle and sellers of treatment center
paraphernalia et al?

On Mon, 17 May 2004 22:49:42 GMT, "John Droge"
<jhdroge@earthlink.net> wrote:

>
>"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
>news:91392235528eb14315eeb04ecb835ed8@news.terane ws.com...
>> On Mon, 17 May 2004 15:36:17 GMT, rockhound <user@null.org> wrote:
>
>> Not that i mean to beat around the bush or anything, but obviously
>> those of you AAs who have by grace and effort and willingness been
>> enabled to rejoin society with dedicated purpose and brotherly and
>> harmonious action might want to double check who you've got in your
>> sights. Might be a mirror after all, an old, old trick to be sure.
> rockhound
>
>Not really all that original to be sure but one of the things I bring up in
>my home group from time to time, is what Pogo said many years ago " We have
>met the enemy--and he is us". It is after all what the 4 th step is all
>about ( that is no original thought on my part either) and all those
>stinking gratitude meetings wear thin on me.
>John

I've only gotten as far as 'have met the enemy--and it is not them'.

Not quite willing to take anything like personal responsibility for
*that* mess.

However, although it may not be mine to fix the whole thing, neither
is it mine to fully absolve myself.

:
: Amends? What person was harmed?
:
: Bob
:
:

ACTUALLY, robert...............you owe yourself BIG TIME
amends........................

"rosie" <readandpost@yahooORhotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> :
> : Amends? What person was harmed?
> :
> : Bob
> :
> :
>
> ACTUALLY, robert...............you owe yourself BIG TIME
> amends........................
>

Jeez, rosie. Are you still attempting your inept online
diagnosis, or are your drugs pooping again?

Bob