My own effort to get us all on one page, in memory of Julie, whose
topic this isn't and who isn't invited.

Power-driver Julie: self-sufficiency in motion. chewing nails at
keyboard, hopefully hiding newsreader from sponsee over visiting,
don't miss it, feel better, inwardly would give anything for a fix.
Life doesn't suit her. Has decided to exert herself more. Holds
uppers, downers, and middlers in high regard. To the best of Julie's
knowledge it should take a year to detox someone in a remote hideout
at the expense of Eli Lilly, Pfizer, and GlaxoSmithKline. After a
year some financial debts we owe might be forgotten, we might be
forgotten, and we can probably get our AODC ticket. (Not to mention
that after a year the USPS no longer forwards mail from creditors so
it's probably safe to leave.) Way to go, Pfizer you fuckers. Don't
let the door hit you on the way out, Julie. Classic example of the
'what life can do for me' approach. Is he not a producer of confusion
rather than harmony? Midol might help...Probably not really an
alcoholic.

rosie readandpost: I'm afraid to touch this one until I know the
doctor is out of firing range. The doctor has obviously not informed
that the end is the Halidol shuffle. Gee, doctors were supposed to
provide health, weren't they? Driven by deep lying inferiorities
early in life she associated herself with the women's movement where
she joined the nursing ranks and managed to rope herself a doctor.
Booze snuck up on her, and, terrified of losing the material success
on which she so relies for her sense of well being, looked for a quick
solution. Went to AA meetings, didn't find it. Disappointed after 5
years dry, turned life back over to the care of the medical
profession, all she knew, for relief. Presently a seemingly
successful, albeit stoned, wet-nurse, encourages everything from
Prozac to ExLax to relieve the intolerable suffering of the practicing
alcoholic, something she knows only too well. Lures them in with
saccarine kindness in order to use them as a source of income. A
total do-gooder, pride-blindness at its best, she thinks she is
helping them. Rarely has anything useful to say and is careful to
hide that fact from herself. Requires words like PROFESSIONAL,
INTERNATIONAL, MAJORITY, R.A.D.C, and ROTFLMAO to make her feel safe.
The kind thing might be to leave her alone, were it not for the others
she harms by leading them into the only (poisoned) harbor that she
herself has ever known. It's not all rosie's fault - she can't see it
and is scared to look. Maybe nobody showed her. Probably not the
doctors' fault either - alcoholics, (knowing better, of course!),
would refuse advice from God himself and we're never honest with them
anyway. However, the judge tells us that ignorance is no excuse.
It's okay, rosie, we all tell ourselves stories so we can sleep at
night. Here's how I see it IMO: Inwardly you are unhappy because
never, in your whole entire life on this planet, have you ever done
anything for anyone but yourself. There is nothing that you do or
have ever done, that does not have a hope of personal reward attached.
One reason that you self-appointed paid counselors are so miserably
ineffective in your work is simply that everything you say and
everything you do is compromised by money. Anyway, why don't you
leave the prick? Are the houses in his name?

Balanced Bob: The least among us. Thank you. If you're in
Australia you might think to look in on Mel shortly...appears he's got
religion...

Steady Gail: trying the 12 steps experiment. Keep us posted.
Miracles happen there. Discerns the difference between love and not
love. A bit spooked. Unclear on the meds issue. Imagines she has
really been a nice person all along. Though maybe partly true, even
the voices refuse to speak to her anymore.

JB: question everything.

Kai: Entertaining the notion of attending the AA Yoga Quilting
Conference for women without a mission.

Blue Moon: Logic is great stuff. We liked it. We still like it.

rockhound: Just coming back around from a loooong resentment. Peeking
at wreckage with one eye shut. Does not play well with others.
Resolved to root out faults, noticed they're much easier to spot in
others. Grateful for this little fact. Is female. Notices the women
here are rather masculine. Hopes they're not all gay, but whatever.
Accepts that most usenet gibberish is best typed nearest the recycle
bin. Fails to heed her own advice. Anxious to make poor rosie's
make-them-go-away killfile, so she can say what she *really* thinks.
Imagines that writing this post is actually 'working with others'.
Open to correction. Trying to make use of what AA had to offer before
they got into basket weaving. Again. Prefers to hang on to some of
her defects. Relieved her depression was not caused by a failing
thyroid. Just a stone's throw away, at rockhoundathushdotcom. Also
tried to baptise herself in her bathtub. Went to a f'ing AA meeting
instead.

Mias: wishes she could 'plant' a solution into a still suffering
alcoholics mind ...But the ex-problem drinker who has found this
solution, who is properly armed with facts about himself, can
generally win the entire confidence of another alcoholic in a few
hours. p. 18, italics. PS it's not in the lifeboat - it's in that
chip floating out there on the world tide...

Melia: dear Melia, not looking for any trouble, wonders whether it's
possible that usenet people, much like the notion of a real living and
present god, might maybe possibly be not just hypothetical. Might
have missed where Holy Bible points out that the Son of Man was an
overweight drinker. Small, but possibly useful reference to bookmark.
Not quite as Mel Gibson portrays him, I'm afraid. Interesting fellow
who had a few choice words for the assholes of his day and age.

Adrian: We do not like to pronounce any individual as alcoholic, but
you can quickly diagnose yourself, step over to the nearest barroom
and try some controlled drinking. Try to drink and stop abruptly. Try
it more than once. It will not take long for you to decide, if you are
honest with yourself about it. It may be worth a bad case of jitters
if you get a full knowledge of your condition. Though there is no way
of proving it, we believe that early in our drinking careers most of
us could have stopped drinking. But the difficulty is that few
alcoholics have enough desire to stop while there is yet time. We have
heard of a few instances where people, who showed definite signs of
alcoholism, were able to stop for a long period because of an
overpowering desire to do so.

Haven't met you others yet.

VERBALLY SLOSHED,

rockhound

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:32:44 GMT, "rosie" <sorry@toomanyweirdo's.com>
wrote:

>
>:
>: SLOSHED,
>:
>: rockhound
>
>
>
>ain't that the truth!


Can I be killfiled now? There are some things I want to say about you
in private.

rock

:
: SLOSHED,
:
: rockhound



ain't that the truth!

you are just weird, but NOT NEW to this group!







"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
news:db3b8ad685a238316a2b2c1c9040d648@news.teranew s.com...
: On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:32:44 GMT, "rosie"
<sorry@toomanyweirdo's.com>
: wrote:
:
: >
: >:
: >: SLOSHED,
: >:
: >: rockhound
: >
: >
: >
: >ain't that the truth!
:
:
: Can I be killfiled now? There are some things I want to say about
you
: in private.
:
: rock

"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
news:7fd1aa46f739a77134514c6fda2f2181@news.teranew s.com...

> rockhound: Just coming back around from a loooong resentment.
Peeking
> at wreckage with one eye shut. Does not play well with others.
> Resolved to root out faults, noticed they're much easier to spot in
> others. Grateful for this little fact. Is female.

Rockhound,

Being curious about your name, I've been on a search to discover it's
likely origins :^) Did you know that a Norwegian Rockhound has
claimed that:

"Rockhounds never die, they only petrify"

Is this true :^)

All the best.

JB

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:22:18 +0100, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote:

>
>"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
>news:7fd1aa46f739a77134514c6fda2f2181@news.terane ws.com...
>
>> rockhound: Just coming back around from a loooong resentment.
>Peeking
>> at wreckage with one eye shut. Does not play well with others.
>> Resolved to root out faults, noticed they're much easier to spot in
>> others. Grateful for this little fact. Is female.
>
>Rockhound,
>
>Being curious about your name, I've been on a search to discover it's
>likely origins :^) Did you know that a Norwegian Rockhound has
>claimed that:
>
>"Rockhounds never die, they only petrify"
>
>Is this true :^)
>
>All the best.
>
>JB

I will be sure to let you mere mortals know, if it is ever revealed to
me. I have a sneaking suspicion that some rockhounds have been here
before. Some may come again. They are hard to get rid of, like
rocks. Certainly, I have been petrified on occasion.

Now, what is a JB?

"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
news:db3b8ad685a238316a2b2c1c9040d648@news.teranew s.com...
> On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 14:32:44 GMT, "rosie"
<sorry@toomanyweirdo's.com>
> wrote:
>
> >
> >:
> >: SLOSHED,
> >:
> >: rockhound
> >
> >
> >
> >ain't that the truth!
>
>
> Can I be killfiled now? There are some things I want to say about
you
> in private.
>
> rock

Rock,

To the best of my knowledge, no-one here who's said whatever's on
their mind has ever been subjected to anything worse than verbal
abuse :^) If you don't want to risk receiving such abuse, stay quiet
:^)

BTW, if you're here mainly because you want help and support to
recover from alcoholism, I hope you'll find some.

JB

"JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote:

> >Rockhound,
> >
> >Being curious about your name, I've been on a search to discover
it's
> >likely origins :^) Did you know that a Norwegian Rockhound has
> >claimed that:
> >
> >"Rockhounds never die, they only petrify"
> >
> >Is this true :^)
> >
> >All the best.
> >
> >JB
>
> I will be sure to let you mere mortals know, if it is ever revealed
to
> me. I have a sneaking suspicion that some rockhounds have been here
> before. Some may come again. They are hard to get rid of, like
> rocks. Certainly, I have been petrified on occasion.
>
> Now, what is a JB?

This JB took the name JB to honour her beloved cat Jemma Babe who died
in February 2003 from stomach cancer. She was a gem. I'm not :^)

JB

On Tue, 27 Apr 2004 16:38:54 +0100, "JB" <JBCatRB@coldman.com> wrote:

>To the best of my knowledge, no-one here who's said whatever's on
>their mind has ever been subjected to anything worse than verbal
>abuse :^) If you don't want to risk receiving such abuse, stay quiet

What if Melia is right, and these are *real* people, then, words may
bring injury if not typed close enough to the recycle bin. But all my
life I was told to keep quiet. One reason I loved the booze so much.
Jjusht try and sssshhhut me up nowww. I have been cautioned, though,
on the dangers of keeping quiet as well.

>BTW, if you're here mainly because you want help and support to
>recover from alcoholism, I hope you'll find some.
>
>JB

It has been rather driven home to me that an alcoholic all wrapped up
in himself makes a very small package, that when all else failed work
with other alcoholics would save the day, and that there is a
particular message I ought to try with a will to carry, though I have
never been any good at it. I cannot guarantee all my motives are
correct, or that i have all the facts, or that any word on my part is
even necessary, so I *know* i will err, but sobriety, preferably
long-term, like forever would be nice, is my main concern. I am
trying to back away from the hell that I found myself in. Again.

Also, being familiar with flame wars, I thought that you all might
help point out my blunders, so assisting me with my own personal
inventory, that I balk at so...and get right-size. I've been very
pride-blind, like rosie.

Thank you for the tentative welcome.

rockhound

Hi Rockhound My name is Mias and I am an alcoholic
What is your name?
"rockhound" <user@null.org> wrote in message
news:7fd1aa46f739a77134514c6fda2f2181@news.teranew s.com...
> My own effort to get us all on one page, in memory of Julie, whose
> topic this isn't and who isn't invited.
>
> Power-driver Julie: self-sufficiency in motion. chewing nails at
> keyboard, hopefully hiding newsreader from sponsee over visiting,
> don't miss it, feel better, inwardly would give anything for a fix.
> Life doesn't suit her. Has decided to exert herself more. Holds
> uppers, downers, and middlers in high regard. To the best of Julie's
> knowledge it should take a year to detox someone in a remote hideout
> at the expense of Eli Lilly, Pfizer, and GlaxoSmithKline. After a
> year some financial debts we owe might be forgotten, we might be
> forgotten, and we can probably get our AODC ticket. (Not to mention
> that after a year the USPS no longer forwards mail from creditors so
> it's probably safe to leave.) Way to go, Pfizer you fuckers. Don't
> let the door hit you on the way out, Julie. Classic example of the
> 'what life can do for me' approach. Is he not a producer of confusion
> rather than harmony? Midol might help...Probably not really an
> alcoholic.
>
> rosie readandpost: I'm afraid to touch this one until I know the
> doctor is out of firing range. The doctor has obviously not informed
> that the end is the Halidol shuffle. Gee, doctors were supposed to
> provide health, weren't they? Driven by deep lying inferiorities
> early in life she associated herself with the women's movement where
> she joined the nursing ranks and managed to rope herself a doctor.
> Booze snuck up on her, and, terrified of losing the material success
> on which she so relies for her sense of well being, looked for a quick
> solution. Went to AA meetings, didn't find it. Disappointed after 5
> years dry, turned life back over to the care of the medical
> profession, all she knew, for relief. Presently a seemingly
> successful, albeit stoned, wet-nurse, encourages everything from
> Prozac to ExLax to relieve the intolerable suffering of the practicing
> alcoholic, something she knows only too well. Lures them in with
> saccarine kindness in order to use them as a source of income. A
> total do-gooder, pride-blindness at its best, she thinks she is
> helping them. Rarely has anything useful to say and is careful to
> hide that fact from herself. Requires words like PROFESSIONAL,
> INTERNATIONAL, MAJORITY, R.A.D.C, and ROTFLMAO to make her feel safe.
> The kind thing might be to leave her alone, were it not for the others
> she harms by leading them into the only (poisoned) harbor that she
> herself has ever known. It's not all rosie's fault - she can't see it
> and is scared to look. Maybe nobody showed her. Probably not the
> doctors' fault either - alcoholics, (knowing better, of course!),
> would refuse advice from God himself and we're never honest with them
> anyway. However, the judge tells us that ignorance is no excuse.
> It's okay, rosie, we all tell ourselves stories so we can sleep at
> night. Here's how I see it IMO: Inwardly you are unhappy because
> never, in your whole entire life on this planet, have you ever done
> anything for anyone but yourself. There is nothing that you do or
> have ever done, that does not have a hope of personal reward attached.
> One reason that you self-appointed paid counselors are so miserably
> ineffective in your work is simply that everything you say and
> everything you do is compromised by money. Anyway, why don't you
> leave the prick? Are the houses in his name?
>
> Balanced Bob: The least among us. Thank you. If you're in
> Australia you might think to look in on Mel shortly...appears he's got
> religion...
>
> Steady Gail: trying the 12 steps experiment. Keep us posted.
> Miracles happen there. Discerns the difference between love and not
> love. A bit spooked. Unclear on the meds issue. Imagines she has
> really been a nice person all along. Though maybe partly true, even
> the voices refuse to speak to her anymore.
>
> JB: question everything.
>
> Kai: Entertaining the notion of attending the AA Yoga Quilting
> Conference for women without a mission.
>
> Blue Moon: Logic is great stuff. We liked it. We still like it.
>
> rockhound: Just coming back around from a loooong resentment. Peeking
> at wreckage with one eye shut. Does not play well with others.
> Resolved to root out faults, noticed they're much easier to spot in
> others. Grateful for this little fact. Is female. Notices the women
> here are rather masculine. Hopes they're not all gay, but whatever.
> Accepts that most usenet gibberish is best typed nearest the recycle
> bin. Fails to heed her own advice. Anxious to make poor rosie's
> make-them-go-away killfile, so she can say what she *really* thinks.
> Imagines that writing this post is actually 'working with others'.
> Open to correction. Trying to make use of what AA had to offer before
> they got into basket weaving. Again. Prefers to hang on to some of
> her defects. Relieved her depression was not caused by a failing
> thyroid. Just a stone's throw away, at rockhoundathushdotcom. Also
> tried to baptise herself in her bathtub. Went to a f'ing AA meeting
> instead.
>
> Mias: wishes she could 'plant' a solution into a still suffering
> alcoholics mind ...But the ex-problem drinker who has found this
> solution, who is properly armed with facts about himself, can
> generally win the entire confidence of another alcoholic in a few
> hours. p. 18, italics. PS it's not in the lifeboat - it's in that
> chip floating out there on the world tide...
>
> Melia: dear Melia, not looking for any trouble, wonders whether it's
> possible that usenet people, much like the notion of a real living and
> present god, might maybe possibly be not just hypothetical. Might
> have missed where Holy Bible points out that the Son of Man was an
> overweight drinker. Small, but possibly useful reference to bookmark.
> Not quite as Mel Gibson portrays him, I'm afraid. Interesting fellow
> who had a few choice words for the assholes of his day and age.
>
> Adrian: We do not like to pronounce any individual as alcoholic, but
> you can quickly diagnose yourself, step over to the nearest barroom
> and try some controlled drinking. Try to drink and stop abruptly. Try
> it more than once. It will not take long for you to decide, if you are
> honest with yourself about it. It may be worth a bad case of jitters
> if you get a full knowledge of your condition. Though there is no way
> of proving it, we believe that early in our drinking careers most of
> us could have stopped drinking. But the difficulty is that few
> alcoholics have enough desire to stop while there is yet time. We have
> heard of a few instances where people, who showed definite signs of
> alcoholism, were able to stop for a long period because of an
> overpowering desire to do so.
>
> Haven't met you others yet.
>
> VERBALLY SLOSHED,
>
> rockhound